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Re: Chrome forms with NVDA

 

Can you clarify what you mean by "Google Form"?  I don't think you're referring to an edit box in an online form under Chrome, but I'm not sure what it is you are referring to.

If a specific example can be supplied, that would be helpful, whether that's a URL or something else that could be worked with.
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Re: Drag and Drop

 

Hi,

To clarify, it is up to add-on authors to ask for an add-on review should they wish to have their add-ons included on community add-ons website. Only after passing a set of basic review criteria (license and copyright, user experience, documentation, security) will the add-on be considered for distribution through the add-ons website (please note that even if other criteria passes, an add-on can still fail basic review if license is incompatible with NVDA’s, which is GNU GPL 2). There are one or two classes of add-ons that the community is quite hesitant to review based on past discussions on add-ons mailing list, including speech synthesizers (license issues).

Until recently it was hard to find documentation on add-on reviews, but now it is publicly more accessible:

https://addons.nvda-project.org/processes.en.html

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 7:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Drag and Drop

 

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 03:42 AM, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:

The fact that an author doesn’t want his/her addon be listed on the NVDA addon page doesn’t make it unofficial.

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It does to me.  If it's not vetted and "officially blessed," it's unofficial.  And that's all I'm trying to communicate.  People write all sorts of home-grown add-ons that are, and are very likely to remain, unofficial.  They will not be submitted for review/vetting and will never appear on the NVDA Community Add-Ons page.

Thus, they are unofficial.  That doesn't make them unsafe, substandard, or anything else.  But it is a way to note that you're not going to find them on the NVDA Community Add-Ons page.
 
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Re: Drag and Drop

 

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 03:42 AM, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
The fact that an author doesn’t want his/her addon be listed on the NVDA addon page doesn’t make it unofficial.
-
It does to me.  If it's not vetted and "officially blessed," it's unofficial.  And that's all I'm trying to communicate.  People write all sorts of home-grown add-ons that are, and are very likely to remain, unofficial.  They will not be submitted for review/vetting and will never appear on the NVDA Community Add-Ons page.

Thus, they are unofficial.  That doesn't make them unsafe, substandard, or anything else.  But it is a way to note that you're not going to find them on the NVDA Community Add-Ons page.
 
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Chrome forms with NVDA

Sean Randall
 

Hi all,

Sorry if this has been brought up already, I had a quick search  but might have missed a thread.

 

With NVDA 2020.3 (and several earlier versions), plus  Chrome 86, whenever I enter certain form fields on the web I get a lot of extra  nonsense,

For example, when trying to add a description  to a Google Form, I hear:

Form description  edit  multi line  overall type: UNKNOWN_TYPE server type: NO_SERVER_DATA heuristic type: UNKNOWN_TYPE label: Form description parseable name: section: _1-default field signature: 4290505990 form signature: 1493917485352217957 form renderer id: 4294967295 field renderer id: 22  blank

 

I’d settle for the Form description  edit  multi line   bit!

 

It’s only a problem when I want to review the contents of a field, if it’s a single-line item and I don’t have Braille on the go it can be  very irritating to have to wait for all the speech to finish.

 

Has anyone seen this before, am I being really silly and missing something obvious?

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Re: Drag and Drop

Gene
 

All sorts of software is issued under the public license being discussed. That has nothing to do with whether it is an official NVDA add-on. An add-on is official if it has been reviewed and approved by those designated by NVDA developers to do so. It is reviewed for safety and effectiveness.

I'm not saying that unofficial add-ons shouldn't be used, but the user should be aware that add-ons can be used for malicious purposes so it is a good idea to know if the author(s) are trustworthy. If unknown, it would be a good idea to ask about them here. There are some add-ons that are illegal and if they are brought up here, discussion will be stopped by the moderator or owner because illegal software isn't allowed to be discussed on the list.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2020 2:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Drag and Drop



The term “unofficial” is misleading in the context of NVDA addons. Every NVDA addon that is released by an author following GPL copyright is official. The fact that an author doesn’t want his/her addon be listed on the NVDA addon page doesn’t make it unofficial.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Mittwoch, 4. November 2020 06:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Drag and Drop





The DragAndDrop add-on by Javi Dominguez and collaborators is not an "official" add-on. It's managed under GitHub, like many unofficial add-ons are.

The latest version is 2.0.1dev and can be downloaded from this page: https://github.com/javidominguez/DragAndDrop/releases/tag/2.0.1dev
The direct download link is: https://github.com/javidominguez/DragAndDrop/releases/download/2.0.1dev/DragAndDrop-2.0.1dev.nvda-addon

I don't know anything about this add-on beyond what I've written here.
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Re: Drag and Drop

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

The term “unofficial” is misleading in the context of NVDA addons. Every NVDA addon that is released by an author following GPL copyright is official. The fact that an author doesn’t want his/her addon be listed on the NVDA addon page doesn’t make it unofficial.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Mittwoch, 4. November 2020 06:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Drag and Drop

 

The DragAndDrop add-on by Javi Dominguez and collaborators is not an "official" add-on.  It's managed under GitHub, like many unofficial add-ons are.

The latest version is 2.0.1dev and can be downloaded from this page:  https://github.com/javidominguez/DragAndDrop/releases/tag/2.0.1dev 
The direct download link is:  https://github.com/javidominguez/DragAndDrop/releases/download/2.0.1dev/DragAndDrop-2.0.1dev.nvda-addon 

I don't know anything about this add-on beyond what I've written here.
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Re: Drag and Drop

 

The DragAndDrop add-on by Javi Dominguez and collaborators is not an "official" add-on.  It's managed under GitHub, like many unofficial add-ons are.

The latest version is 2.0.1dev and can be downloaded from this page:  https://github.com/javidominguez/DragAndDrop/releases/tag/2.0.1dev 
The direct download link is:  https://github.com/javidominguez/DragAndDrop/releases/download/2.0.1dev/DragAndDrop-2.0.1dev.nvda-addon 

I don't know anything about this add-on beyond what I've written here.
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Re: Drag and Drop

Sarah k Alawami
 

There is, but I also cannot get it to work reliably. I don't have a link, but search for it on the nvda addons page.

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On 3 Nov 2020, at 18:56, Rowen Cary wrote:

There is an add-on DragAndDrop.
It would be better if someone could provide a download link.


Re: Drag and Drop

Rowen Cary
 

There is an add-on DragAndDrop.
It would be better if someone could provide a download link.


Re: appending to clipboard instead of just copying to clipboard?

 

Hi all,

For those new to what Brian wrote below: information blackout, at least for me, is inability to obtain crucial information for the right medium at the right moment.

As for quirks with clipboard history and system focus, one way I worked around it is looking for UIA window open event – in some cases, when a new window opens, controls send appropriate events. Thankfully emoji panel, clipboard history, and such does raise UIA window open event, and depending on what’s showing, NVDA will announce appropriate item – first selected emoji, top clipboard item, etc. Making matters complicated is that modern keyboard interface will raise UIA property change event to communicate name changes to NVDA and other screen readers, and announcing it is the strategy employed by Narrator, and to some extent, JAWS. NVDA does not follow this strategy much (and this is intentional) for consistent experience with similar controls – emoji panel is a grid, while clipboard history is a list (this is why when you use modern keyboard with NVDA, you’ll hear position information). Close to half of modern keyboard app module source code is devoted to this task.

For sake of completeness, here’s what actually happens when you press Windows+period or Windows+V:

  1. File Explorer will raise a window open event (this is the case in Version 1903 and later). NVDA will notice this and queue a “window open” event on the top-level modern keyboard window.
  2. NVDA will look at which part of modern keyboard is showing (each component ships with a specific Automation Id, a string that uniquely identifies a screen element).
  3. Depending on what is showing, NVDA will locate the first item to be announced by doing automatic object navigation.
  4. Because modern keyboard is an overlay window, NVDA will not steal system focus. Instead, the item found will become a navigator object.
  5. NVDA will then announce the appropriate item according to how it is supposed to announce it.

 

I think we should devote a separate future thread on modern keyboard mechanics.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 8:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] appending to clipboard instead of just copying to clipboard?

 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 05:11 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Unlike things such as Action Center, clipboard history is really an overlay window, so it will try its best to not steal system focus and caret.

-
And from a design perspective, that puts up a situation where, as I've said earlier in other contexts, it's impossible for a screen reader to "be looking at two things at once."  One of my Gmail tutorials gets into this with a control that appears at the same time as something else, and that something else is what ends up getting initial focus and you'd never know the new control is there unless you can see it or are willing to traverse the entire page by brute force.

Trying to decide how to shift focus "without losing your place" has got to be more than a bit of a challenge.  It seems to me that mouse-over blurbs and this situation with Clipboard History have at least a little in common.

I don't envy trying to make the decisions necessary to solve some of these "where should I focus" and where is the system focusing conundrums.  That is one of the inherent problems when trying to access a medium designed for one sensory modality, sight, via a substitute.  You've put it best, Joseph, with your coinage of the term "information blackout" secondary to the fact that a screen reader can't deal with multiple changes presented simultaneously with any kind of ease.  And you are the one who made me realize just how much those of us with sight take in the entire visual field of "the screen" as a whole, picking up on changes that occur because they are state changes from "the normal."  It's not that this information cannot be accessed at all, but no matter what one chooses to do as far as "who goes first" that means everything else is in a black box, and the timing of dealing with it is broken up into some arbitrary way.
 
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Re: Using Acrobat Reader DC with NVDA

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hello.
Yes, Acrobat Reader is a program for reading and editing pdf. You can read with this program and NVDA, but the edition is complicated, you can use Word 2013 and more recent versions for editing a pdf.
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Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

Musician (pianist) and also help to users with a visual disability in the use of screen readers and technology.
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El lun., 2 de nov. de 2020 a la(s) 23:23, Suhas Dharwad (twigsnap7@...) escribió:
Hi,
It's a PDF viewer/editor. 


Re: 2 questions about OCR

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hello.
In some cases, the OCR can present the columns in the same line, for example:
File sice
Example.txt 2kb. 
But depending on the structure of the recognized text. The ocr don't use elements like tables and heading with documents. For this, you can use a specialyce software for OCR on documents or open a pdf with Microsoft Word 2013, 2016, 2019 or 365.
Regards.

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Músico (pianista) y también ayuda a usuarios con discapacidad visual en el
uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.
Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

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El mar., 3 de nov. de 2020 a la(s) 00:30, Sascha Cowley via groups.io (sascha.camille=yahoo.com@groups.io) escribió:
Regarding your second question, yes. You should be able to use standard mouse control keys while in the OCR result to do this. I would encourage you to take a look at sections 5.7 (Navigating with the Mouse) and 10 (Content Recognition) of the NVDA user guide (NVDA menu > Help > User Guide).


Re: appending to clipboard instead of just copying to clipboard?

 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 05:11 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Unlike things such as Action Center, clipboard history is really an overlay window, so it will try its best to not steal system focus and caret.
-
And from a design perspective, that puts up a situation where, as I've said earlier in other contexts, it's impossible for a screen reader to "be looking at two things at once."  One of my Gmail tutorials gets into this with a control that appears at the same time as something else, and that something else is what ends up getting initial focus and you'd never know the new control is there unless you can see it or are willing to traverse the entire page by brute force.

Trying to decide how to shift focus "without losing your place" has got to be more than a bit of a challenge.  It seems to me that mouse-over blurbs and this situation with Clipboard History have at least a little in common.

I don't envy trying to make the decisions necessary to solve some of these "where should I focus" and where is the system focusing conundrums.  That is one of the inherent problems when trying to access a medium designed for one sensory modality, sight, via a substitute.  You've put it best, Joseph, with your coinage of the term "information blackout" secondary to the fact that a screen reader can't deal with multiple changes presented simultaneously with any kind of ease.  And you are the one who made me realize just how much those of us with sight take in the entire visual field of "the screen" as a whole, picking up on changes that occur because they are state changes from "the normal."  It's not that this information cannot be accessed at all, but no matter what one chooses to do as far as "who goes first" that means everything else is in a black box, and the timing of dealing with it is broken up into some arbitrary way.
 
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Re: appending to clipboard instead of just copying to clipboard?

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Joseph,

Sorry for not reading your full answer correctly, I did read your article but I had not noticed that point in your explanation.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 10:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] appending to clipboard instead of just copying to clipboard?

 

Hi,

No. The post I wrote a few hours ago explains why, but just to recap: this is due to the way clipboard history (and in general, how modern keyboard) interface is designed from the beginning. Unlike things such as Action Center, clipboard history is really an overlay window, so it will try its best to not steal system focus and caret.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 1:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] appending to clipboard instead of just copying to clipboard?

 

Joseph,

 

Thank you for your excellent work with Microsoft on our behalf! I have recently enabled Clipboard History on my PC running windows 10 latest update. Is there any way to get NVDA to see the ellipses at the edge of each entry in the Clipboard History? I can access delete by hitting the Delete button on my external keyboard. However, I would like to be able to pin some items and explore some of the other options that are on the drop down menu under the ellipses. Is there any way to do so?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 1:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] appending to clipboard instead of just copying to clipboard?

 

Hi,

Actually, when you do tab through clipboard history interface, an overlay cursor may appear to move. Same goes with opening the clipboard history context menu where the three options mentioned by Brian can be found.

I investigated ways to support announcing additional interface items at least twice, the most recent being a few months ago. Each time, a fix led to unacceptable experiences and regressions. Part of this has to do with the way modern keyboard interface is designed (note that I use the term “modern keyboard” to refer to emoji panel, clipboard history, dictation, modern input method editor interfaces and such). Being an overlay window, modern keyboard does not raise events which allows NVDA to automatically announce what’s focused, and once closed, Windows does not tell NVDA that the overlay window is closed properly. This results in NVDA forgetting what you were working on when modern keyboard interface is closed, forcing you to switch apps. The fix does allow you to review additional controls at the cost of hunting for what you were doing last, which to me is unacceptable. The focus issue is the main reason why I told Microsoft to look into usability issues with modern keyboard interface changes in recent Insider Preview builds, as the new interface isn’t working with NVDA (thankfully, the latest Insider Preview build does restore the stable emoji panel interface that does work with NVDA).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 4:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] appending to clipboard instead of just copying to clipboard?

 

Hi Brian,

 

the problem is that on my system tabbing doesn't get me to those options.  All I can do is cursor through the entries in the history and press spacebar to paste that entry or hit delete to delete it.

 

Thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

On 11/2/2020 6:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Dan,

           The three options "per item on clipboard history" are Delete (this item), Delete All, and Pin.  It's no surprise that a straight hit of the Delete key deletes the single item.  I wonder if a CTRL+ or ALT+ might do a Delete all?  I have no idea what might do a Pin.

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Re: appending to clipboard instead of just copying to clipboard?

 

Hi,

No. The post I wrote a few hours ago explains why, but just to recap: this is due to the way clipboard history (and in general, how modern keyboard) interface is designed from the beginning. Unlike things such as Action Center, clipboard history is really an overlay window, so it will try its best to not steal system focus and caret.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 1:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] appending to clipboard instead of just copying to clipboard?

 

Joseph,

 

Thank you for your excellent work with Microsoft on our behalf! I have recently enabled Clipboard History on my PC running windows 10 latest update. Is there any way to get NVDA to see the ellipses at the edge of each entry in the Clipboard History? I can access delete by hitting the Delete button on my external keyboard. However, I would like to be able to pin some items and explore some of the other options that are on the drop down menu under the ellipses. Is there any way to do so?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 1:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] appending to clipboard instead of just copying to clipboard?

 

Hi,

Actually, when you do tab through clipboard history interface, an overlay cursor may appear to move. Same goes with opening the clipboard history context menu where the three options mentioned by Brian can be found.

I investigated ways to support announcing additional interface items at least twice, the most recent being a few months ago. Each time, a fix led to unacceptable experiences and regressions. Part of this has to do with the way modern keyboard interface is designed (note that I use the term “modern keyboard” to refer to emoji panel, clipboard history, dictation, modern input method editor interfaces and such). Being an overlay window, modern keyboard does not raise events which allows NVDA to automatically announce what’s focused, and once closed, Windows does not tell NVDA that the overlay window is closed properly. This results in NVDA forgetting what you were working on when modern keyboard interface is closed, forcing you to switch apps. The fix does allow you to review additional controls at the cost of hunting for what you were doing last, which to me is unacceptable. The focus issue is the main reason why I told Microsoft to look into usability issues with modern keyboard interface changes in recent Insider Preview builds, as the new interface isn’t working with NVDA (thankfully, the latest Insider Preview build does restore the stable emoji panel interface that does work with NVDA).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 4:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] appending to clipboard instead of just copying to clipboard?

 

Hi Brian,

 

the problem is that on my system tabbing doesn't get me to those options.  All I can do is cursor through the entries in the history and press spacebar to paste that entry or hit delete to delete it.

 

Thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

On 11/2/2020 6:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Dan,

           The three options "per item on clipboard history" are Delete (this item), Delete All, and Pin.  It's no surprise that a straight hit of the Delete key deletes the single item.  I wonder if a CTRL+ or ALT+ might do a Delete all?  I have no idea what might do a Pin.

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Re: appending to clipboard instead of just copying to clipboard?

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Joseph,

 

Thank you for your excellent work with Microsoft on our behalf! I have recently enabled Clipboard History on my PC running windows 10 latest update. Is there any way to get NVDA to see the ellipses at the edge of each entry in the Clipboard History? I can access delete by hitting the Delete button on my external keyboard. However, I would like to be able to pin some items and explore some of the other options that are on the drop down menu under the ellipses. Is there any way to do so?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2020 1:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] appending to clipboard instead of just copying to clipboard?

 

Hi,

Actually, when you do tab through clipboard history interface, an overlay cursor may appear to move. Same goes with opening the clipboard history context menu where the three options mentioned by Brian can be found.

I investigated ways to support announcing additional interface items at least twice, the most recent being a few months ago. Each time, a fix led to unacceptable experiences and regressions. Part of this has to do with the way modern keyboard interface is designed (note that I use the term “modern keyboard” to refer to emoji panel, clipboard history, dictation, modern input method editor interfaces and such). Being an overlay window, modern keyboard does not raise events which allows NVDA to automatically announce what’s focused, and once closed, Windows does not tell NVDA that the overlay window is closed properly. This results in NVDA forgetting what you were working on when modern keyboard interface is closed, forcing you to switch apps. The fix does allow you to review additional controls at the cost of hunting for what you were doing last, which to me is unacceptable. The focus issue is the main reason why I told Microsoft to look into usability issues with modern keyboard interface changes in recent Insider Preview builds, as the new interface isn’t working with NVDA (thankfully, the latest Insider Preview build does restore the stable emoji panel interface that does work with NVDA).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 4:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] appending to clipboard instead of just copying to clipboard?

 

Hi Brian,

 

the problem is that on my system tabbing doesn't get me to those options.  All I can do is cursor through the entries in the history and press spacebar to paste that entry or hit delete to delete it.

 

Thanks.

 

Dan Beaver

On 11/2/2020 6:13 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Dan,

           The three options "per item on clipboard history" are Delete (this item), Delete All, and Pin.  It's no surprise that a straight hit of the Delete key deletes the single item.  I wonder if a CTRL+ or ALT+ might do a Delete all?  I have no idea what might do a Pin.

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Re: 2 questions about OCR

Sascha Cowley
 

Regarding your second question, yes. You should be able to use standard mouse control keys while in the OCR result to do this. I would encourage you to take a look at sections 5.7 (Navigating with the Mouse) and 10 (Content Recognition) of the NVDA user guide (NVDA menu > Help > User Guide).


Re: Using Acrobat Reader DC with NVDA

Suhas Dharwad
 

Hi,
It's a PDF viewer/editor. 


Re: 2 questions about OCR

Gene
 

You are evidently sending your message to the list and to the owner address, but perhaps not. Whatever the case, the address field says group moderators. That may confuse a lot of people and they may not read the message or they may skip it because they may think it is being addressed to the moderators.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Norton
Sent: Monday, November 02, 2020 7:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Group Moderators
Subject: [nvda] 2 questions about OCR



Hi listers:



I have 2 questions about the OCR feature:



First, if I am looking at a screen with information in columns, the OCR tries to show each column separately. For example, if I am looking at a DOS directory listing, it shows me first, the file name, then a list of extensions, then the size, etc. Is there any way to have the OCR results reflect the way the screen actually looks, instead of trying to show me separate columns?



Second, is there a way to do a left or right click on something shown in the OCR results?



Thanks!



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Re: Using Acrobat Reader DC with NVDA

Pauline Smith
 

I am going to show my tech ignorance with this question.  What is Acrobat reader DC?  I have Adobe on my computer. Is this a separate program?

Pauline

On 11/1/2020 6:45 PM, Kelly Sapergia wrote:
Hi,

I'm having problems using Acrobat Reader DC (hereafter titled ARDC) with
NVDA. It works great with JAWS, but when I have NVDA loaded and open a file
in ARDC, I don't get the message asking how I want the document presented as
far as accessibility goes. All I get is a frame, but no text. Do I need an
addon to make it work better, or are there some settings I need to adjust?

Thanks.

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