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Re: Onelook.com - Interaction with NVDA unlike anything I've ever experienced - Is there a logical explanation

 

And, at least for the moment, the issue has disappeared after a restart.  I'll never know what was up, but I'll keep an eye out for the issue to recur, and I hope it won't.

These sorts of bizarre and inexplicable things do happen, and very often a power cycling will fix 'em.

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Re: Onelook.com - Interaction with NVDA unlike anything I've ever experienced - Is there a logical explanation

 

Gene,

         I was using Brave, but have the same issue in Chrome.  I will check this again after restarting my system, just to make sure it's not something that is mysteriously cured via that method.
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Re: Onelook.com - Interaction with NVDA unlike anything I've ever experienced - Is there a logical explanation

Gene
 

Just one more behavior that supports my contention that the links list shouldn't be used on unfamiliar pages. I'm not assuming you teach using the links list on unfamiliar pages but for those following the thread who do, this discussion helps show why it’s a bad idea.

this may not be the case with JAWS but I'll describe my experience with NVDA.

I can use the links list and I can move with quick navigation keys using the Brave browser. I don't know what browser you are using. But the links list doesn't give all information, evidently for the same reason some other ways of moving don't, as discussed below.

I tried the links list and, while I hear the information such as the word I'm looking for, I get no information about which dictionary the link is for. this is with NVDA. I look up a word, then I search for the word match. I am now right above the results. Tabbing doesn't present full information. Down arrowing is the only way I've found to see all the information, such as the word and the dictionary being used. That's how I would use this part of the site. Look up the word, search for match, then start down arrowing.

I just found out that using read current line on the link doesn't tell you what dictionary will be used. The only way I've found to have all the information read is by up and down arrowing to one of the links. I don't know what results you will get with JAWS or if the browser makes any difference.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2020 7:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Onelook.com - Interaction with NVDA unlike anything I've ever experienced - Is there a logical explanation

There are a couple of really weird goings on with NVDA and the Onelook results page, and I can't figure out "who's at fault." I had offered this as a possible choice for online dictionary since it is a multi-dictionary search that presents things (visually, anyway) in a very straightforward manner. This was on the JAWS list, and someone noted they couldn't search by headings (which is unsurprising, since that's not how the page presents results) but when I went digging further, things got stranger. What follows is my post there afterward, which I'd like to get some eyes on here:

You are right that you can't navigate by headings, as headings are not used in the presentation of results. The word searched on has links to each dictionary's information for it. If I hit NVDA+F7 and have searched on, say, "deshabille," there is a stream of links reading deshabille, followed by a home link for the dictionary and an info link - lather rinse repeat for the number of dictionaries in which the word is located.

But, I cannot get single letter nav for links (k), unvisited link (u), or visited link (v) to work at all. Yet, if I activate using the elements list, the links are noted as visited after I've done so.

I have to decide whether this is something I want to report to NVAccess or not, and will wait to do so until others have read what I wrote above and may be able to offer a logical explanation for this very odd (at least in my experience) behavior with NVDA traversal of the dictionary search results page.
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Re: Onelook.com - Interaction with NVDA unlike anything I've ever experienced - Is there a logical explanation

Sascha Cowley
 

I just tried in Firefox, Chrome and Edge, and could not reproduce. On the results page, k, u and v acted as expected.


Onelook.com - Interaction with NVDA unlike anything I've ever experienced - Is there a logical explanation

 

There are a couple of really weird goings on with NVDA and the Onelook results page, and I can't figure out "who's at fault."  I had offered this as a possible choice for online dictionary since it is a multi-dictionary search that presents things (visually, anyway) in a very straightforward manner.  This was on the JAWS list, and someone noted they couldn't search by headings (which is unsurprising, since that's not how the page presents results) but when I went digging further, things got stranger.  What follows is my post there afterward, which I'd like to get some eyes on here:

You are right that you can't navigate by headings, as headings are not used in the presentation of results.  The word searched on has links to each dictionary's information for it.  If I hit NVDA+F7 and have searched on, say, "deshabille," there is a stream of links reading deshabille, followed by a home link for the dictionary and an info link - lather rinse repeat for the number of dictionaries in which the word is located.

But, I cannot get single letter nav for links (k), unvisited link (u), or visited link (v) to work at all.  Yet, if I activate using the elements list, the links are noted as visited after I've done so.

I have to decide whether this is something I want to report to NVAccess or not, and will wait to do so until others have read what I wrote above and may be able to offer a logical explanation for this very odd (at least in my experience) behavior with NVDA traversal of the dictionary search results page. 
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Re: building plugins was: [nvda] Remote Support Add on

 

What add-on (which is what I presume you mean by plug-in)?  I have yet to see one not have a Releases page under GitHub where the fully "built" add-on is downloaded from.

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building plugins was: [nvda] Remote Support Add on

Robert Logue
 

How does one build a plugin from a repository?


I wanted to use a plugin for NVDA and my Brother printer but it did not have an installer.  I did not know I could have built it.


Thanks.


Bob



On 2020-10-02 9:04 a.m., Oleksandr Gryshchenko wrote:
Hello David,

Also you can build it from the source code in the official repository:
https://github.com/NVDARemote/NVDARemote/releases/tag/2.3

Or you can download it here - I just builded it:
https://hotinfo.in.ua/remote-2.3.nvda-addon

Good luck!


Re: Braille extender's auto scroll with orbit reader 20

Kara Goldfinch
 

Ok, I've figured out how to turn on auto scroll using the pc keyboard. The manual makes no mention of this when the Orbit Reader is connected, and as I said the commands in the manual are for Baum displays, not the Orbit Reader.

E.g. apparently dot 2 + dot 5 will turn on auto scroll, but that just jumps to heading  level 3.


On 05/11/2020 14:13, Devin Prater wrote:

It should work. If not, let the developer know, by creating a new issue at:


If you don't already, you'll need to make a Github account.
Devin Prater


On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:27 AM Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...> wrote:

Hi everyone.

Is it possible to use the Braille Extender add-on's auto scroll feature with the Orbit Reader 20?

The manual isn't much help as it calls up information for Baum displays.

All the best,

Kara


Re: Braille extender's auto scroll with orbit reader 20

Devin Prater
 

It should work. If not, let the developer know, by creating a new issue at:


If you don't already, you'll need to make a Github account.
Devin Prater


On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:27 AM Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...> wrote:

Hi everyone.

Is it possible to use the Braille Extender add-on's auto scroll feature with the Orbit Reader 20?

The manual isn't much help as it calls up information for Baum displays.

All the best,

Kara


Re: NVDA performance in remote or virtual environments

Christian Schoepplein
 

Hi Adrian,

the performance issues may also be related to the speed of your network connection. Do you connect to the remote system via a internal network or via internet connection? If you connect via internet, whats the maximum speed for uploads?

16 GB RAM is ofcourse better then only using a VM with only 8 GB of memory, but using Windows 10 native with 4 GB RAM and aditionaly a VM with also 4 GB of RAM should also be suficient. Does your machine have a SSD or a older harddisk which is not that fast?

Does the Windows in your VM react quickly and is only the remote access slow? If yes, the local hardware is not the problem.

Ciao,

Schoepp


Re: NVDA Verbosity for Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook - Can it be changed?

Sean Randall
 

Hello,

 

Ideally I suppose you could match this with a regular expression in a speech dictionary, but  Outlook seems to send this to the synthesizer in a couple of chunks (if I look in the speech viewer, the final expanded or collapsed statement comes across on a second line sometimes).

 

Still, a dictionary entry could  reduce:

Group By: Expanded: Date: Yesterday  grouping  expanded”

To:

“Date Yesterday expanded”

Assuming, of course, you wanted the date datum as part of the output. Personally I just want the day, because  it’s  obvious it’s grouped by date if I am collapsing a group of days

Sean.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 04 November 2020 18:38
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Verbosity for Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook - Can it be changed?

 

Josh,

         I'll let others get into the verbosity settings that might be changed, as I can't answer that.  I am posting only because I have retitled your topic for archival purposes and to make it clear the question is about NVDA verbosity related to using Outlook, not Outlook itself.

         By the way to the readership, if it turns out that there are Outlook settings that can be tweaked to decrease NVDA's verbosity in a circumstance like this, that still counts to me as addressing the interaction between NVDA and the program.  But I suspect this will be fixed, to the extent it can be, via NVDA settings rather than any Outlook settings, though I could be wrong about that.

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Braille extender's auto scroll with orbit reader 20

Kara Goldfinch
 

Hi everyone.

Is it possible to use the Braille Extender add-on's auto scroll feature with the Orbit Reader 20?

The manual isn't much help as it calls up information for Baum displays.

All the best,

Kara


Re: Cannot get past, "please register this," when launching NVDA!

Quentin Christensen
 

If anyone does encounter this issue, it would be great if you could confirm please that pressing NVDA+control+r three times quickly DOES resolve it?  It should, as it should revert to Windows OneCore voices on Windows 10 (or eSpeak-NG on earlier versions of Windows).  I haven't actually tried it myself though to test the theory.

Quentin.

On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 1:47 PM Robert Logue <bobcat11@...> wrote:
I had this same problem.  It was the demo of Code Factory voices for
NVDA add on. Plus, the trial of Code Factory SAPI voices.  I foolishly
tried both then was away from my desktop PC for more than a month.


I don't like that kind of behavior in trial software.


I was not even able to use Narrator because that please register message
was spoken every time I pressed any key.


Asked Microsoft disability answer desk for help through Be My Eyes on my
iPhone to resolve this.


Turned out that Narrator was using the demo voice which has also timed out.


I don't know if I'd been able to fix my self without the help from MS


Bob


On 2020-10-23 10:32 a.m., Gene wrote:
> The please register this must refer to a synthessizer that your NVDA
> is using.  If you get that message and the command NVDA key control r
> pressed three times rapidly, You may hold control and nvda key and
> type r quickly three times, doesn't restore NVDA to its defaults so
> the default synthesizer can run, then you may have to delete something
> else, such as your synthesizer or your NVDA settings so it will start
> using defaults.
>
> Gene
> -----Original Message----- From: Mike
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 8:17 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Cannot get past, "please register this," when
> launching NVDA!
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> Keep getting please register this when I launch NVDA. Cannot get to
> menus or anything else. I had old version of NVDA I removed. Then
> installed the latest NVDA. Did not help. Using windows 10, Also JAWS.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Mike
>
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New Video: NVDA in Russia

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

I wanted to share a video we've just uploaded:

Prominent Russian #accessibility expert, Anatoliy Popko shares his experiences advocating for #A11y & the projects he is involved in, including putting IT trainers across Russia through NVDA Certification so they can teach blind users IT skills with NVDA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83mo-sSQNQ

At 17 minutes, it's longer than some of our other videos, but a fascinating story, and highlights some great work being done in Russia.

Quentin.
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Re: Chrome forms with NVDA

Sean Randall
 

Hi Brian,

Sorry, I did mean an edit box in a form, but I was using google forms as an example, which is clearly confusing.

Most all web pages in Chrome with edit fields have this issue, an example is at duckduckgo.com. If I enter browse mode  in the search field on that page, I hear:

Search the web without being tracked  edit  overall type: UNKNOWN_TYPE server type: NO_SERVER_DATA heuristic type: UNKNOWN_TYPE label: Search the web without being tracked parseable name: q section: q_1-default field signature: 1012080445 form signature: 378668188462997795 form renderer id: 1 field renderer id: 10  Search the web without being tracked

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 04 November 2020 16:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Chrome forms with NVDA

 

Can you clarify what you mean by "Google Form"?  I don't think you're referring to an edit box in an online form under Chrome, but I'm not sure what it is you are referring to.

If a specific example can be supplied, that would be helpful, whether that's a URL or something else that could be worked with.
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Re: Cannot get past, "please register this," when launching NVDA!

Robert Logue
 

I had this same problem.  It was the demo of Code Factory voices for NVDA add on. Plus, the trial of Code Factory SAPI voices.  I foolishly tried both then was away from my desktop PC for more than a month.


I don't like that kind of behavior in trial software.


I was not even able to use Narrator because that please register message was spoken every time I pressed any key.


Asked Microsoft disability answer desk for help through Be My Eyes on my iPhone to resolve this.


Turned out that Narrator was using the demo voice which has also timed out.


I don't know if I'd been able to fix my self without the help from MS


Bob

On 2020-10-23 10:32 a.m., Gene wrote:
The please register this must refer to a synthessizer that your NVDA is using.  If you get that message and the command NVDA key control r pressed three times rapidly, You may hold control and nvda key and type r quickly three times, doesn't restore NVDA to its defaults so the default synthesizer can run, then you may have to delete something else, such as your synthesizer or your NVDA settings so it will start using defaults.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Mike
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2020 8:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Cannot get past, "please register this," when launching NVDA!



Keep getting please register this when I launch NVDA. Cannot get to menus or anything else. I had old version of NVDA I removed. Then installed the latest NVDA. Did not help. Using windows 10, Also JAWS.

Any help appreciated.

Mike









Re: NVDA performance in remote or virtual environments

Adriani Botez
 

Sorry I was not clear enough. The dedicated ram for the vm is 8 gb

Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 04.11.2020 um 23:40 schrieb Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com>:

To be honest, if you only have 8gb ram, that may be your issue.

You really need another 8 to work right.

Put 4gb to the ram or 3gb to your vm, and unload anything you don't need and try.

I wouldn't try unless you had more ram.

The cores will be fine, 2 cores to the vm should be plenty.

What you may want to do if you can on the vm is to see if you can get a 32 bit version or even reformat and install a 32 bit os on the laptop then you can dedicate about 3gb to the os and 5 to the vm or have a 32 bit vm and not a 64 bit vm.

You really need another 8gb at least.



On 5/11/2020 10:41 am, Adriani Botez wrote:
Thank you for the hints. Well, the laptop I am using for my work has definitely not 8 cores, it has only 4 and about 8 gb of ram. However, maybe there is some way to at least minimize the latency on the VM.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Tim M
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. November 2020 00:15
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] NVDA performance in remote or virtual environments

For what your trying to do make sure the desk or laptop has enough power.

Your looking for CPU's with 8 or more cores and high thread if you go vertual
machine.

In either case make sure you have 32 gmb or better.The rest is what you like.

See vm's are power hogs and remotes can have lag. That is why you build for
power.

Then all you have is software issues.

On 10/29/2020 5:50 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:
Dear all,

I thought I start a discussion here on the performance topic in remote
or virtual environments . . .





.




Re: NVDA performance in remote or virtual environments

 

To be honest, if you only have 8gb ram, that may be your issue.

You really need another 8 to work right.

Put 4gb to the ram or 3gb to your vm, and unload anything you don't need and try.

I wouldn't try unless you had more ram.

The cores will be fine, 2 cores to the vm should be plenty.

What you may want to do if you can on the vm is to see if you can get a 32 bit version or even reformat and install a 32 bit os on the laptop then you can dedicate about 3gb to the os and 5 to the vm or have a 32 bit vm and not a 64 bit vm.

You really need another 8gb at least.

On 5/11/2020 10:41 am, Adriani Botez wrote:
Thank you for the hints. Well, the laptop I am using for my work has definitely not 8 cores, it has only 4 and about 8 gb of ram. However, maybe there is some way to at least minimize the latency on the VM.


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Tim M
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. November 2020 00:15
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] NVDA performance in remote or virtual environments

For what your trying to do make sure the desk or laptop has enough power.

Your looking for CPU's with 8 or more cores and high thread if you go vertual
machine.

In either case make sure you have 32 gmb or better.The rest is what you like.

See vm's are power hogs and remotes can have lag. That is why you build for
power.

Then all you have is software issues.

On 10/29/2020 5:50 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:
Dear all,

I thought I start a discussion here on the performance topic in remote
or virtual environments . . .





.


Re: NVDA performance in remote or virtual environments

Adriani Botez
 

Thank you for the hints. Well, the laptop I am using for my work has definitely not 8 cores, it has only 4 and about 8 gb of ram. However, maybe there is some way to at least minimize the latency on the VM.

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Tim M
Gesendet: Sonntag, 1. November 2020 00:15
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] NVDA performance in remote or virtual environments

For what your trying to do make sure the desk or laptop has enough power.

Your looking for CPU's with 8 or more cores and high thread if you go vertual
machine.

In either case make sure you have 32 gmb or better.The rest is what you like.

See vm's are power hogs and remotes can have lag. That is why you build for
power.

Then all you have is software issues.

On 10/29/2020 5:50 PM, Adriani Botez wrote:
Dear all,

I thought I start a discussion here on the performance topic in remote
or virtual environments . . .



Re: NVDA Verbosity for Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook - Can it be changed?

 

Josh,

         I'll let others get into the verbosity settings that might be changed, as I can't answer that.  I am posting only because I have retitled your topic for archival purposes and to make it clear the question is about NVDA verbosity related to using Outlook, not Outlook itself.

         By the way to the readership, if it turns out that there are Outlook settings that can be tweaked to decrease NVDA's verbosity in a circumstance like this, that still counts to me as addressing the interaction between NVDA and the program.  But I suspect this will be fixed, to the extent it can be, via NVDA settings rather than any Outlook settings, though I could be wrong about that.

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