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Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

Hi,

I think we could possibly do that as a tool tip, although it is somewhat mitigated in recent NVDA alpha snapshots where a form of context-sensitive help was added to NVDA interface controls (at the moment if you press F1 from NVDA settings controls, the relevant section from the user guide will open). The next step would be generalizing this initial version of context-sensitive help to other places, but that will involve reimagining the current approach as well.

For a practical demonstration of input composition settings, take a look at Welcome to NVDA tutorial set, which can be found at:

https://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 4:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

Joseph,

          You were typing as I was typing.

           First, thanks for that incredibly detailed, yet concise, explanation.

           Second, that detailed information on each one of the checkboxes could easily be condensed into a "what's the function, and when" blurb for each checkbox.  There's plenty of screen real estate that's unused on that pane that could be productively used for just the sort of info you've provided.
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Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 07:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
As much as IME’s are associated with Asian languages, it is used in other languages
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These settings relate to Asian languages and other languages that use IMEs as part of their input.

Easy.
 
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Re: character count countdown with edit box

 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 06:58 PM, Don H wrote:
Changed the dynamic content setting to off and it made no difference.
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Thanks for reporting back and sorry it didn't get you the result you'd like to have.
 
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Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

Hi,

As much as IME’s are associated with Asian languages, it is used in other languages, hence a bit hard to say that it only applies to Asian language input (perhaps an explanation could state that it is a useful feature for people typing or working with Asian languages).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 4:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

Jackie,

         Thanks much.  This is another instance where I cannot fathom why that settings pane does not state, directly, that these settings apply to the input of Asian character sets.   Had that been a part of the pane I wouldn't have even asked the question.  This is the sort of thing that needs to be a part of that particular pane, telling you what the collection of settings is about.  Then, if necessary for those who would be tweaking these, something about what doing so would do, if that wouldn't already be obvious to someone who would be tweaking those settings.  They're all "not obvious" to me, but I had no idea they applied to Asian character sets only, either.

          Much as I love NVDA, and I do, there are some serious improvements that can be made to the actual settings hierarchy itself as far as what is stated on various panes for the settings collectively as well as the individual settings and the creation of a search mechanism (which I realize is a non-trivial ask) for the entire settings hierarchy.
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Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

Joseph,

          You were typing as I was typing.

           First, thanks for that incredibly detailed, yet concise, explanation.

           Second, that detailed information on each one of the checkboxes could easily be condensed into a "what's the function, and when" blurb for each checkbox.  There's plenty of screen real estate that's unused on that pane that could be productively used for just the sort of info you've provided.
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Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

Jackie,

         Thanks much.  This is another instance where I cannot fathom why that settings pane does not state, directly, that these settings apply to the input of Asian character sets.   Had that been a part of the pane I wouldn't have even asked the question.  This is the sort of thing that needs to be a part of that particular pane, telling you what the collection of settings is about.  Then, if necessary for those who would be tweaking these, something about what doing so would do, if that wouldn't already be obvious to someone who would be tweaking those settings.  They're all "not obvious" to me, but I had no idea they applied to Asian character sets only, either.

          Much as I love NVDA, and I do, there are some serious improvements that can be made to the actual settings hierarchy itself as far as what is stated on various panes for the settings collectively as well as the individual settings and the creation of a search mechanism (which I realize is a non-trivial ask) for the entire settings hierarchy.
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NVDA OCR with adobe image file

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi,

 

I have a scanned image in an Adobe .pdf file. I want to run NVDAs OCR over it. When I open the document in adobe Acrobat DC I get a message  that this is a blank document. I press F6 twice and press enter on the home button. Then I press NVDA+R and I hear recognising and below that result document but there is no text showing.

 

I know that this document is an image of scanned text because I can convert it using Abbyy Finereader.

 

All advice and instructions welcome!

 

All the best,

 

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Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

Hi,

I know that user guide can be a bit vague on this, but based on discussion I had with NV Access people back in 2012 when these settings first made their appearance and experiences from Chinese, Japanese, and Korean speakers (I speak Korean; now you know half of the story):

These settings control how NVDA reacts to input method editor (IME) interfaces. Certain languages ship with IME’s, and because the well-known languages where IME is frequently encountered (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, collectively called CJK) provide different input experiences (candidates window for Chinese and Japanese, standard QWERTY-style input for Hangul/Korean), Windows will present different input experiences, and thus NVDA must respond differently. Visually, these languages are pictorial characters, and when you type in these languages, a square “composition” window will be used to complete each character/shape. How NVDA can announce these characters is beyond the scope of this thread.

The input composition settings panel consist of:

  • Automatically report all available candidates: used when entering Chinese characters where you need to choose from multiple candidates for a given pronunciation or a word. These candidates are presented as a grid as soon as you either type the first few syllables or press Chinese character key (right Control key for Korean keyboards). For example, when entering Chinese characters through Korean IME, the character “su” can have different Chinese character representations such as “water,” “number,” “manual,” and so on. NVDA will announce these candidates when this setting is on.
  • Announce selected candidate: used when entering Chinese characters, especially when navigating between candidates. When candidates appear, you can use arrow keys to navigate it.
  • Always include short character description when announcing candidates: useful when entering Chinese characters through Korean IME. As I noted above, because a single character in Korean can have multiple Chinese character representations, it is helpful to hear exactly what these characters stand for in Chinese through a short description. To support this, Korean translation of NVDA includes short descriptions for thousands of Chinese characters used in China and South Korea.
  • Report changes to the reading string: useful for Chinese input methods where different character combinations can yield different texts.
  • Report changes to the composition string: when using IME’s with direct QWERTY-style input such as Korean/Hangul, a square window will be visible as you type. The shapes inside the composition window changes as you type, and NVDA can be set to announce changes to this.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

That's pretty much it.  There are scads of NVDA settings that I do not really understand, for which I am unaware of specific documentation to read, and where the descriptions at the controls themselves don't help me to understand what they mean at all and what the potential ramification(s) is (are) of checking or unchecking any one of them.
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Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

Jackie
 

Hello, Brian V. This is a setting in NVDA which assists w/the reading
of Asian languages. You can find out a little more about it in the
NVDA user guide in section 12.1.13.

HTH?

On 11/6/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
That's pretty much it.  There are scads of NVDA settings that I do not
really understand, for which I am unaware of specific documentation to read,
and where the descriptions at the controls themselves don't help me to
understand what they mean at all and what the potential ramification(s) is
(are) of checking or unchecking any one of them.
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Re: character count countdown with edit box

Don H
 

Changed the dynamic content setting to off and it made no difference.

On 11/6/2020 5:33 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Could this be in any way related to whether you have the "dynamic content" setting on?

NVDA+N,P,S, then the "Object Presentation" pane, checkbox for Report dynamic content changes?  (Default is ON/checked)
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Re: character count countdown with edit box

 

David,

            Thanks for that, as I had not reviewed recent changes in the Commands Quick Reference, and would never have found this unless I had been specifically looking for something about Dynamic Content.  It also appears there is a keyboard shortcut for opening settings directly to the object presentation pane, NVDA+CTRL+O

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Re: character count countdown with edit box

David Goldfield
 

To add to Brian's message you can also press the NVDA key (usually the insert key) along with the number 5 (on the row of numbers and not on the numeric keypad) as a shortcut key to toggle dynamic content changes on or off.

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On 11/6/2020 6:33 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Could this be in any way related to whether you have the "dynamic content" setting on?

NVDA+N,P,S, then the "Object Presentation" pane, checkbox for Report dynamic content changes?  (Default is ON/checked)
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Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

That's pretty much it.  There are scads of NVDA settings that I do not really understand, for which I am unaware of specific documentation to read, and where the descriptions at the controls themselves don't help me to understand what they mean at all and what the potential ramification(s) is (are) of checking or unchecking any one of them.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: character count countdown with edit box

 

Could this be in any way related to whether you have the "dynamic content" setting on?

NVDA+N,P,S, then the "Object Presentation" pane, checkbox for Report dynamic content changes?  (Default is ON/checked)
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: character count countdown with edit box

Gene
 

No. Just turn off speech, NVDA key s, type, then turn it on again. Press twice to turn it back on, once to turn it off.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2020 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] character count countdown with edit box

I come accross some web pages where there is a edit box that has a
number of characters limitation. While typing in these edit boxes the
character count is voiced. For example it will say 32 characters 500
remaining. Is there some setting in nvda to stop this character count
announcement?

Thanks


Re: character count countdown with edit box

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hi all.

You can also use the add-on Word Count.

https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/wordCount.en.html

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual, con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musician (pianist) and also help to the blind people with the use of screen readers and technology.

Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

Certified expert in NVDA

 

De: Sarah k Alawami
Enviado: viernes, 6 de noviembre de 2020 16:00
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] character count countdown with edit box

 

One work around for now would be to hit nvda plus s and type. If not, type it in note pad and then past, at least for now

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On 6 Nov 2020, at 12:53, Don H wrote:

I come accross some web pages where there is a edit box that has a number of characters limitation.  While typing in these edit boxes the character count is voiced.  For example it will say 32 characters 500 remaining.  Is there some setting in nvda to stop this character count announcement?

Thanks

 


Re: NVDA not announcing graphics or links

Sascha Cowley
 

Hi Dave,

Can anyone explain why my firefox browser does not announce “graphic” or something like that when hovering over an image containing alt text that is also a link?  It does read out the alt text.  Also, there is no announcement of a “Link” when hovering over a text link – just reads the text so user would not know it is a link. 

This is controlled by the "Report role when mouse enters object" setting in NVDA's mouse settings, which is off by default.

Also, when hovering over either an image or text that is a link, the destination URL is read out in full.  Does that always occur?  Seems redundant if the alt text of the image link or the text of the text link already says that it is a link and where the link is going.

I'm not sure about this one. I thought it might be because reporting of tooltips was on, but turning that off did not make a difference for me.

Regards,
Sascha


Re: character count countdown with edit box

Sarah k Alawami
 

One work around for now would be to hit nvda plus s and type. If not, type it in note pad and then past, at least for now

Take care all.

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On 6 Nov 2020, at 12:53, Don H wrote:

I come accross some web pages where there is a edit box that has a number of characters limitation.  While typing in these edit boxes the character count is voiced.  For example it will say 32 characters 500 remaining.  Is there some setting in nvda to stop this character count announcement?

Thanks


character count countdown with edit box

Don H
 

I come accross some web pages where there is a edit box that has a number of characters limitation.  While typing in these edit boxes the character count is voiced.  For example it will say 32 characters 500 remaining.  Is there some setting in nvda to stop this character count announcement?

Thanks


NVDA not announcing graphics or links

David Thorne
 

Working on accessibility features on website and using NVDA to check the results of my efforts.

 

Can anyone explain why my firefox browser does not announce “graphic” or something like that when hovering over an image containing alt text that is also a link?  It does read out the alt text.  Also, there is no announcement of a “Link” when hovering over a text link – just reads the text so user would not know it is a link. 

 

Also, when hovering over either an image or text that is a link, the destination URL is read out in full.  Does that always occur?  Seems redundant if the alt text of the image link or the text of the text link already says that it is a link and where the link is going.

 

Thanks,

 

Dave Thorne

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