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Reading messages in Mail for Windows 10

Sean Randall
 

Hi all,

Can anyone verify my experience with reading emails in mail in windows 10?

With NVDA’s default configuration, I have to turn off Focus mode every time I open a message, else the cursor keys don’t work. I can read with CtRL+up or down, which is fine as far as it goes.

 

Ironically if I go into  NVDA settings and tell NVDA not to enable browse mode on page load, opening an email keeps me in Browse Mode to begin with: confusing much?

 

This all happens irrespective of the mail setting to use the caret to read emails or not. Mail also seems to have nothing but a reading pane: in Outlook I  turn the pane off, because it is a real pain. But Mail doesn’t seem to let me do that.

 

Any further info from anyone  gratefully received. My temporary workaround is to make a new configuration profile, but that’s not ideal.

Sean.

 

 

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locked Re: Looking for forums or mailing list for visually impaired gamers

Mike Sedmak
 

You could check out the blind-gamers list on groups.io:
https://groups.io/g/blind-gamers/

On 11/7/20, Kostadin Kolev <k.kolev1985@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,

As the subject says, I'm looking for forums or mailing lists for visually
impaired gamers.

My main interest is GTA Online and I want to participate in group
activities. But If I do it in public sessions, I'll end up with sighted
gamers and will be at a disadvantage due to my visual impairment. That is
why I'm looking for forums and mailing lists where to potentially find other
visually impaired players of this game, if there are any, that is...

Thanks in advance!

______
Best wishes,
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locked Looking for forums or mailing list for visually impaired gamers

 

Hello all,

As the subject says, I'm looking for forums or mailing lists for visually impaired gamers.

My main interest is GTA Online and I want to participate in group activities. But If I do it in public sessions, I'll end up with sighted gamers and will be at a disadvantage due to my visual impairment. That is why I'm looking for forums and mailing lists where to potentially find other visually impaired players of this game, if there are any, that is...

Thanks in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: NVDA OCR with adobe image file

Sean Randall
 

Hi Cearbhall

First, are you sure the first  page of the file  has recognisable text? If it is a cover sheet for example, it may not be readily scannable. OCR will only work with onscreen text, rather than giving you a whole document at once.

I have  always performed the OCR on the alert about it being a blank document: I don’t understand the purpose of you pressing the home button before doing the OCR I’m a fraid.

 

Sean.

 

From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: 07 November 2020 0:09 13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA OCR with adobe image file

 

Hi,

 

I have a scanned image in an Adobe .pdf file. I want to run NVDAs OCR over it. When I open the document in adobe Acrobat DC I get a message  that this is a blank document. I press F6 twice and press enter on the home button. Then I press NVDA+R and I hear recognising and below that result document but there is no text showing.

 

I know that this document is an image of scanned text because I can convert it using Abbyy Finereader.

 

All advice and instructions welcome!

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: NVDA not announcing graphics or links

David Thorne
 

Thanks very much, Sascha.  Clearly, I need to read the user guide in full!

Dave

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sascha Cowley via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2020 1:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing graphics or links

 

Hi Dave,

Can anyone explain why my firefox browser does not announce “graphic” or something like that when hovering over an image containing alt text that is also a link?  It does read out the alt text.  Also, there is no announcement of a “Link” when hovering over a text link – just reads the text so user would not know it is a link. 

This is controlled by the "Report role when mouse enters object" setting in NVDA's mouse settings, which is off by default.

Also, when hovering over either an image or text that is a link, the destination URL is read out in full.  Does that always occur?  Seems redundant if the alt text of the image link or the text of the text link already says that it is a link and where the link is going.

I'm not sure about this one. I thought it might be because reporting of tooltips was on, but turning that off did not make a difference for me.

Regards,
Sascha


Re: character count countdown with edit box

Gene
 

I've never seen the dynamic content setting affect what is read in browse mode.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2020 5:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] character count countdown with edit box

Could this be in any way related to whether you have the "dynamic content" setting on?

NVDA+N,P,S, then the "Object Presentation" pane, checkbox for Report dynamic content changes? (Default is ON/checked)
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals

 

Janet,

         Depending on just how elaborate you want to get with this, it could be achieved in the speech dictionary using regular expression matching based on characters that can only be used in a Roman numeral.  But given how long they can get, and the rules regarding what can come before what, there's likely only a "quick and dirty" solution rather than a perfect one.

         I am presuming you want the Roman numeral (RN) seven to read as V I I or RN 900 to be read as M C M.  Is that correct and, if so, is there some expected range of the actual Roman notation as far as lowest and highest numbers involved?   
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals

Rui Fontes
 

Normally that kind of reading is controlled by the synth and not by NVDA...


Rui Fontes


Às 00:49 de 07/11/2020, Janet Brandly escreveu:

Hello all,

 

Would someone please tell me how to get NVDA to spell out Roman numerals instead of automatically speaking them as Arabic numerals? I had a quick look at the symbols pronunciation list of more than 3,000 items and couldn’t find them easily,

 

Thanks,

 

Janet


How to spell out Roman numerals

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

 

Would someone please tell me how to get NVDA to spell out Roman numerals instead of automatically speaking them as Arabic numerals? I had a quick look at the symbols pronunciation list of more than 3,000 items and couldn’t find them easily,

 

Thanks,

 

Janet


Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

Hi,

For Quentin: I’m thinking we should queue this for 2021.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 4:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 07:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

As much as IME’s are associated with Asian languages, it is used in other languages

-
These settings relate to Asian languages and other languages that use IMEs as part of their input.

Easy.
 
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Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

Hi,

I think we could possibly do that as a tool tip, although it is somewhat mitigated in recent NVDA alpha snapshots where a form of context-sensitive help was added to NVDA interface controls (at the moment if you press F1 from NVDA settings controls, the relevant section from the user guide will open). The next step would be generalizing this initial version of context-sensitive help to other places, but that will involve reimagining the current approach as well.

For a practical demonstration of input composition settings, take a look at Welcome to NVDA tutorial set, which can be found at:

https://www.josephsl.net/tutorials

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 4:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

Joseph,

          You were typing as I was typing.

           First, thanks for that incredibly detailed, yet concise, explanation.

           Second, that detailed information on each one of the checkboxes could easily be condensed into a "what's the function, and when" blurb for each checkbox.  There's plenty of screen real estate that's unused on that pane that could be productively used for just the sort of info you've provided.
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Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 07:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
As much as IME’s are associated with Asian languages, it is used in other languages
-
These settings relate to Asian languages and other languages that use IMEs as part of their input.

Easy.
 
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     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: character count countdown with edit box

 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 06:58 PM, Don H wrote:
Changed the dynamic content setting to off and it made no difference.
-
Thanks for reporting back and sorry it didn't get you the result you'd like to have.
 
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Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

Hi,

As much as IME’s are associated with Asian languages, it is used in other languages, hence a bit hard to say that it only applies to Asian language input (perhaps an explanation could state that it is a useful feature for people typing or working with Asian languages).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 4:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

Jackie,

         Thanks much.  This is another instance where I cannot fathom why that settings pane does not state, directly, that these settings apply to the input of Asian character sets.   Had that been a part of the pane I wouldn't have even asked the question.  This is the sort of thing that needs to be a part of that particular pane, telling you what the collection of settings is about.  Then, if necessary for those who would be tweaking these, something about what doing so would do, if that wouldn't already be obvious to someone who would be tweaking those settings.  They're all "not obvious" to me, but I had no idea they applied to Asian character sets only, either.

          Much as I love NVDA, and I do, there are some serious improvements that can be made to the actual settings hierarchy itself as far as what is stated on various panes for the settings collectively as well as the individual settings and the creation of a search mechanism (which I realize is a non-trivial ask) for the entire settings hierarchy.
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Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

Joseph,

          You were typing as I was typing.

           First, thanks for that incredibly detailed, yet concise, explanation.

           Second, that detailed information on each one of the checkboxes could easily be condensed into a "what's the function, and when" blurb for each checkbox.  There's plenty of screen real estate that's unused on that pane that could be productively used for just the sort of info you've provided.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

Jackie,

         Thanks much.  This is another instance where I cannot fathom why that settings pane does not state, directly, that these settings apply to the input of Asian character sets.   Had that been a part of the pane I wouldn't have even asked the question.  This is the sort of thing that needs to be a part of that particular pane, telling you what the collection of settings is about.  Then, if necessary for those who would be tweaking these, something about what doing so would do, if that wouldn't already be obvious to someone who would be tweaking those settings.  They're all "not obvious" to me, but I had no idea they applied to Asian character sets only, either.

          Much as I love NVDA, and I do, there are some serious improvements that can be made to the actual settings hierarchy itself as far as what is stated on various panes for the settings collectively as well as the individual settings and the creation of a search mechanism (which I realize is a non-trivial ask) for the entire settings hierarchy.
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     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


NVDA OCR with adobe image file

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi,

 

I have a scanned image in an Adobe .pdf file. I want to run NVDAs OCR over it. When I open the document in adobe Acrobat DC I get a message  that this is a blank document. I press F6 twice and press enter on the home button. Then I press NVDA+R and I hear recognising and below that result document but there is no text showing.

 

I know that this document is an image of scanned text because I can convert it using Abbyy Finereader.

 

All advice and instructions welcome!

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 




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Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

Hi,

I know that user guide can be a bit vague on this, but based on discussion I had with NV Access people back in 2012 when these settings first made their appearance and experiences from Chinese, Japanese, and Korean speakers (I speak Korean; now you know half of the story):

These settings control how NVDA reacts to input method editor (IME) interfaces. Certain languages ship with IME’s, and because the well-known languages where IME is frequently encountered (Chinese, Japanese, Korean, collectively called CJK) provide different input experiences (candidates window for Chinese and Japanese, standard QWERTY-style input for Hangul/Korean), Windows will present different input experiences, and thus NVDA must respond differently. Visually, these languages are pictorial characters, and when you type in these languages, a square “composition” window will be used to complete each character/shape. How NVDA can announce these characters is beyond the scope of this thread.

The input composition settings panel consist of:

  • Automatically report all available candidates: used when entering Chinese characters where you need to choose from multiple candidates for a given pronunciation or a word. These candidates are presented as a grid as soon as you either type the first few syllables or press Chinese character key (right Control key for Korean keyboards). For example, when entering Chinese characters through Korean IME, the character “su” can have different Chinese character representations such as “water,” “number,” “manual,” and so on. NVDA will announce these candidates when this setting is on.
  • Announce selected candidate: used when entering Chinese characters, especially when navigating between candidates. When candidates appear, you can use arrow keys to navigate it.
  • Always include short character description when announcing candidates: useful when entering Chinese characters through Korean IME. As I noted above, because a single character in Korean can have multiple Chinese character representations, it is helpful to hear exactly what these characters stand for in Chinese through a short description. To support this, Korean translation of NVDA includes short descriptions for thousands of Chinese characters used in China and South Korea.
  • Report changes to the reading string: useful for Chinese input methods where different character combinations can yield different texts.
  • Report changes to the composition string: when using IME’s with direct QWERTY-style input such as Korean/Hangul, a square window will be visible as you type. The shapes inside the composition window changes as you type, and NVDA can be set to announce changes to this.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 3:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

That's pretty much it.  There are scads of NVDA settings that I do not really understand, for which I am unaware of specific documentation to read, and where the descriptions at the controls themselves don't help me to understand what they mean at all and what the potential ramification(s) is (are) of checking or unchecking any one of them.
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Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

Jackie
 

Hello, Brian V. This is a setting in NVDA which assists w/the reading
of Asian languages. You can find out a little more about it in the
NVDA user guide in section 12.1.13.

HTH?

On 11/6/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
That's pretty much it.  There are scads of NVDA settings that I do not
really understand, for which I am unaware of specific documentation to read,
and where the descriptions at the controls themselves don't help me to
understand what they mean at all and what the potential ramification(s) is
(are) of checking or unchecking any one of them.
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Re: character count countdown with edit box

Don H
 

Changed the dynamic content setting to off and it made no difference.

On 11/6/2020 5:33 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Could this be in any way related to whether you have the "dynamic content" setting on?

NVDA+N,P,S, then the "Object Presentation" pane, checkbox for Report dynamic content changes?  (Default is ON/checked)
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