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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals

 

Janet,

           I believe I understand what you're saying about the character afterward, but would you mind tossing out a couple of examples.  Particularly, if the character(s) that can come after the Roman numeral are limited to a select few.

           Also, can the Roman numerals be either upper case or lower case letters for the numeral, or strictly one or the other?
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals

Janet Brandly
 

Hi again Brian,

 

That’s right, these are the only Roman numerals I need NVDA to speak. There would always be a space preceding the numeral; however, occasionally (perhaps 5 to 10% of the time) there would either be a letter or Arabic  number directly after the Roman numeral, without a space. I am using these numbers/numerals for things like fracture and cancer staging/grading.

 

Thanks so much for your help,

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 7, 2020 2:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to spell out Roman numerals

 

Janet,

          Just to be crystal clear, we're talking the following Roman numerals, which I will put spaces between each character for the purposes of this post so that they get read character by character:
I one
I I two
I I I three
I V four
V five
V I six
V I I seven
V I I I  eight  
I X  nine
X ten

You don't want or need something like X V I read for sixteen?

It's very easy to come up with a couple of short regular expressions that can handle the Roman numerals for the numbers one through ten.  It's a lot more difficult if you wanted it to handle any Roman numeral, e.g, 2020 written out as M M X X, or 1959 as M C M L I X

If all you want is one through 10 I'll toss together the regexes and replacement strings and post them for you to add to your speech dictionary.  I will also presume that any of these Roman numerals will have a preceding space and space after unless they are located as the start of a line or end of a line.
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Re: How to spell out Roman numerals

 

Janet,

          Just to be crystal clear, we're talking the following Roman numerals, which I will put spaces between each character for the purposes of this post so that they get read character by character:
I one
I I two
I I I three
I V four
V five
V I six
V I I seven
V I I I  eight  
I X  nine
X ten

You don't want or need something like X V I read for sixteen?

It's very easy to come up with a couple of short regular expressions that can handle the Roman numerals for the numbers one through ten.  It's a lot more difficult if you wanted it to handle any Roman numeral, e.g, 2020 written out as M M X X, or 1959 as M C M L I X

If all you want is one through 10 I'll toss together the regexes and replacement strings and post them for you to add to your speech dictionary.  I will also presume that any of these Roman numerals will have a preceding space and space after unless they are located as the start of a line or end of a line.
--

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It’s hard waking up and realizing it’s not always black and white.

     ~ Kelley Boorn

 


Re: How to spell out Roman numerals

Janet Brandly
 

Hello Brian and all,

 

I would just need NVDA to spell out Roman numerals for Arabic numbers 1 through 10.

 

Thanks,

 

Janet

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 6, 2020 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to spell out Roman numerals

 

Janet,

         Depending on just how elaborate you want to get with this, it could be achieved in the speech dictionary using regular expression matching based on characters that can only be used in a Roman numeral.  But given how long they can get, and the rules regarding what can come before what, there's likely only a "quick and dirty" solution rather than a perfect one.

         I am presuming you want the Roman numeral (RN) seven to read as V I I or RN 900 to be read as M C M.  Is that correct and, if so, is there some expected range of the actual Roman notation as far as lowest and highest numbers involved?   
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Re: New Video: NVDA in Russia

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hi all.

Tony, this link work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITIWKgoI2Dw&feature=emb_title

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual, con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musician (pianist) and also help to the blind people with the use of screen readers and technology.

Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

Certified expert in NVDA

 

De: Tony Malykh
Enviado: sábado, 7 de noviembre de 2020 13:38
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] New Video: NVDA in Russia

 

The video doesn't seem to be available. When I clicked on the link, it says:

This video has been removed by the uploader

 

On 11/5/2020 2:07 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

I wanted to share a video we've just uploaded:

 

Prominent Russian #accessibility expert, Anatoliy Popko shares his experiences advocating for #A11y & the projects he is involved in, including putting IT trainers across Russia through NVDA Certification so they can teach blind users IT skills with NVDA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83mo-sSQNQ

 

At 17 minutes, it's longer than some of our other videos, but a fascinating story, and highlights some great work being done in Russia.

 

Quentin.

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Training and Support Manager

 

 


Re: New Video: NVDA in Russia

Tony Malykh
 

The video doesn't seem to be available. When I clicked on the link, it says:

This video has been removed by the uploader


On 11/5/2020 2:07 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

I wanted to share a video we've just uploaded:

Prominent Russian #accessibility expert, Anatoliy Popko shares his experiences advocating for #A11y & the projects he is involved in, including putting IT trainers across Russia through NVDA Certification so they can teach blind users IT skills with NVDA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o83mo-sSQNQ

At 17 minutes, it's longer than some of our other videos, but a fascinating story, and highlights some great work being done in Russia.

Quentin.
--
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Training and Support Manager


Re: character count countdown with edit box

 

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 12:45 PM, Gene wrote:
many users or those it affects who might submit one don't know what the problem is and so don't create a ticket.
-
Which is often the case.  And one that I hope, over time, with encouragement from the membership here, and leading by example, will change.

I don't want to see the folks at NVAccess be flooded with repeat bug reports or feature requests, so not only does careful thought need to go into why you believe you have a bug and how you need to report it, or how to carefully word a feature request, but also one must search first to see if it doesn't already exist, in which case you'd just add a comment to the existing one.  Bug reports are relatively rare, and you have to make sure you have the steps down such that the developers can reproduce the issue before filing one.  

But NVDA users are blessed by the fact that they do have a direct line to the developers via GitHub.  That is an unbelievably valuable, and rare, asset and communication channel.  It shouldn't be used frivolously (for lack of a better way of putting it right now) but nor should it be avoided when you can be giving valuable feedback not only for yourself but for the user community as a whole.

I only wish such existed for most of the software I've ever used, but it doesn't.  Microsoft has stepped somewhat closer with the Feedback Hub, but even that's at several levels of removal from the actual development teams.

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Re: character count countdown with edit box

Gene
 

I may create a ticket. I'm a bit surprised that it has never been brought up. Maybe it doesn't affect that many users or those it affects who might submit one don't know what the problem is and so don't create a ticket.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 11:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] character count countdown with edit box

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 11:42 AM, Gene wrote:
NVDA doesn't have a turn off aria alerts setting. it should.-
And there does not, at least from my search results on ARIA and a couple of other search terms, appear to be a suggestion/feature request for this in GitHub.

There's lots of stuff involving ARIA, going back a number of years, but nothing suggesting a toggle for ARIA alerts.

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Re: character count countdown with edit box

 

On Sat, Nov 7, 2020 at 11:42 AM, Gene wrote:
NVDA doesn't have a turn off aria alerts setting. it should.
-
And there does not, at least from my search results on ARIA and a couple of other search terms, appear to be a suggestion/feature request for this in GitHub.

There's lots of stuff involving ARIA, going back a number of years, but nothing suggesting a toggle for ARIA alerts.
 
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Re: character count countdown with edit box

Gene
 

NVDA doesn't have a turn off aria alerts setting. it should. If a site is programmed incorrectly, aria speecch can be very disruptive.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Randall
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2020 10:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] character count countdown with edit box



I think this sort of announcement is triggered by ARIA alerts and I’m not aware of a way to stop NVDA reading those as a matter of course. Some websites really abuse alerts, perhaps with developers not understanding the purpose of the feature.



I’d love an addon that allowed you to mark specific web-page elements to alert or not as the user wanted on-the-fly, there are probably more sites who don’t use ARIA at all than overuse it, but both cases are frustrating.

S.



From: Gene
Sent: 07 November 2020 1:21 22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] character count countdown with edit box






I've never seen the dynamic content setting affect what is read in browse
mode.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2020 5:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] character count countdown with edit box

Could this be in any way related to whether you have the "dynamic content"
setting on?

NVDA+N,P,S, then the "Object Presentation" pane, checkbox for Report dynamic
content changes? (Default is ON/checked)
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Re: character count countdown with edit box

Sean Randall
 

I think this sort of announcement is triggered by ARIA alerts and I’m not aware of a way to stop NVDA  reading those as a matter of course. Some websites really abuse alerts, perhaps with developers not understanding the purpose of the feature.

 

I’d love an addon that allowed you to mark specific web-page elements to alert or not as the user wanted on-the-fly, there are probably more sites who don’t use ARIA at all than overuse it, but both cases are frustrating.

S.

From: Gene
Sent: 07 November 2020 1:21 22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] character count countdown with edit box

 

I've never seen the dynamic content setting affect what is read in browse
mode.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2020 5:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] character count countdown with edit box

Could this be in any way related to whether you have the "dynamic content"
setting on?

NVDA+N,P,S, then the "Object Presentation" pane, checkbox for Report dynamic
content changes?  (Default is ON/checked)
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Re: Reading messages in Mail for Windows 10

 

Hi,

Thought so. I can tell you that the issue you and others are experiencing regarding Mail app will be resolved in NVDA 2020.4, and is already resolved with the add-on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sean Randall
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 8:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading messages in Mail for Windows 10

 

Hi Joseph

It did say    commsapps.exe is currently running but, with the addon now adds commsapps module is loaded and the problem is solved.

 

I’d forgotten to put the addon on this machine,  I have used it before. I’m surprised the features haven’t been added to core though, given how  integrated mail and Calendar are into Windows...

 

Thanks for clearing that up 😊

S.

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: 07 November 2020 15:56 19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading messages in Mail for Windows 10

 

Hi,

I think I know why, but just to make sure:

  1. With Mail open, what does NVDA say when you press Control+NVDA+F1?
  2. What is the NVDA version you are using?

 

If it is what I think it is, then try using Mail with Windows 10 App Essentials add-on installed (I know, I’m advertising this a lot, but…).

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sean Randall
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 7:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading messages in Mail for Windows 10

 

Hi all,

Can anyone verify my experience with reading emails in mail in windows 10?

With NVDA’s default configuration, I have to turn off Focus mode every time I open a message, else the cursor keys don’t work. I can read with CtRL+up or down, which is fine as far as it goes.

 

Ironically if I go into  NVDA settings and tell NVDA not to enable browse mode on page load, opening an email keeps me in Browse Mode to begin with: confusing much?

 

This all happens irrespective of the mail setting to use the caret to read emails or not. Mail also seems to have nothing but a reading pane: in Outlook I  turn the pane off, because it is a real pain. But Mail doesn’t seem to let me do that.

 

Any further info from anyone  gratefully received. My temporary workaround is to make a new configuration profile, but that’s not ideal.

 

Sean.

 

 

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Re: Reading messages in Mail for Windows 10

Sean Randall
 

Hi Joseph

It did say    commsapps.exe is currently running but, with the addon now adds commsapps module is loaded and the problem is solved.

 

I’d forgotten to put the addon on this machine,  I have used it before. I’m surprised the features haven’t been added to core though, given how  integrated mail and Calendar are into Windows...

 

Thanks for clearing that up 😊

S.

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: 07 November 2020 15:56 19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading messages in Mail for Windows 10

 

Hi,

I think I know why, but just to make sure:

  1. With Mail open, what does NVDA say when you press Control+NVDA+F1?
  2. What is the NVDA version you are using?

 

If it is what I think it is, then try using Mail with Windows 10 App Essentials add-on installed (I know, I’m advertising this a lot, but…).

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sean Randall
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 7:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading messages in Mail for Windows 10

 

Hi all,

Can anyone verify my experience with reading emails in mail in windows 10?

With NVDA’s default configuration, I have to turn off Focus mode every time I open a message, else the cursor keys don’t work. I can read with CtRL+up or down, which is fine as far as it goes.

 

Ironically if I go into  NVDA settings and tell NVDA not to enable browse mode on page load, opening an email keeps me in Browse Mode to begin with: confusing much?

 

This all happens irrespective of the mail setting to use the caret to read emails or not. Mail also seems to have nothing but a reading pane: in Outlook I  turn the pane off, because it is a real pain. But Mail doesn’t seem to let me do that.

 

Any further info from anyone  gratefully received. My temporary workaround is to make a new configuration profile, but that’s not ideal.

 

Sean.

 

 

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Re: Reading messages in Mail for Windows 10

 

Hi,

I think I know why, but just to make sure:

  1. With Mail open, what does NVDA say when you press Control+NVDA+F1?
  2. What is the NVDA version you are using?

 

If it is what I think it is, then try using Mail with Windows 10 App Essentials add-on installed (I know, I’m advertising this a lot, but…).

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sean Randall
Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 7:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading messages in Mail for Windows 10

 

Hi all,

Can anyone verify my experience with reading emails in mail in windows 10?

With NVDA’s default configuration, I have to turn off Focus mode every time I open a message, else the cursor keys don’t work. I can read with CtRL+up or down, which is fine as far as it goes.

 

Ironically if I go into  NVDA settings and tell NVDA not to enable browse mode on page load, opening an email keeps me in Browse Mode to begin with: confusing much?

 

This all happens irrespective of the mail setting to use the caret to read emails or not. Mail also seems to have nothing but a reading pane: in Outlook I  turn the pane off, because it is a real pain. But Mail doesn’t seem to let me do that.

 

Any further info from anyone  gratefully received. My temporary workaround is to make a new configuration profile, but that’s not ideal.

 

Sean.

 

 

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Reading messages in Mail for Windows 10

Sean Randall
 

Hi all,

Can anyone verify my experience with reading emails in mail in windows 10?

With NVDA’s default configuration, I have to turn off Focus mode every time I open a message, else the cursor keys don’t work. I can read with CtRL+up or down, which is fine as far as it goes.

 

Ironically if I go into  NVDA settings and tell NVDA not to enable browse mode on page load, opening an email keeps me in Browse Mode to begin with: confusing much?

 

This all happens irrespective of the mail setting to use the caret to read emails or not. Mail also seems to have nothing but a reading pane: in Outlook I  turn the pane off, because it is a real pain. But Mail doesn’t seem to let me do that.

 

Any further info from anyone  gratefully received. My temporary workaround is to make a new configuration profile, but that’s not ideal.

Sean.

 

 

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locked Re: Looking for forums or mailing list for visually impaired gamers

Mike Sedmak
 

You could check out the blind-gamers list on groups.io:
https://groups.io/g/blind-gamers/

On 11/7/20, Kostadin Kolev <k.kolev1985@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,

As the subject says, I'm looking for forums or mailing lists for visually
impaired gamers.

My main interest is GTA Online and I want to participate in group
activities. But If I do it in public sessions, I'll end up with sighted
gamers and will be at a disadvantage due to my visual impairment. That is
why I'm looking for forums and mailing lists where to potentially find other
visually impaired players of this game, if there are any, that is...

Thanks in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


locked Looking for forums or mailing list for visually impaired gamers

 

Hello all,

As the subject says, I'm looking for forums or mailing lists for visually impaired gamers.

My main interest is GTA Online and I want to participate in group activities. But If I do it in public sessions, I'll end up with sighted gamers and will be at a disadvantage due to my visual impairment. That is why I'm looking for forums and mailing lists where to potentially find other visually impaired players of this game, if there are any, that is...

Thanks in advance!

______
Best wishes,
Kostadin Kolev


Re: NVDA OCR with adobe image file

Sean Randall
 

Hi Cearbhall

First, are you sure the first  page of the file  has recognisable text? If it is a cover sheet for example, it may not be readily scannable. OCR will only work with onscreen text, rather than giving you a whole document at once.

I have  always performed the OCR on the alert about it being a blank document: I don’t understand the purpose of you pressing the home button before doing the OCR I’m a fraid.

 

Sean.

 

From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: 07 November 2020 0:09 13
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA OCR with adobe image file

 

Hi,

 

I have a scanned image in an Adobe .pdf file. I want to run NVDAs OCR over it. When I open the document in adobe Acrobat DC I get a message  that this is a blank document. I press F6 twice and press enter on the home button. Then I press NVDA+R and I hear recognising and below that result document but there is no text showing.

 

I know that this document is an image of scanned text because I can convert it using Abbyy Finereader.

 

All advice and instructions welcome!

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: NVDA not announcing graphics or links

David Thorne
 

Thanks very much, Sascha.  Clearly, I need to read the user guide in full!

Dave

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sascha Cowley via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 06, 2020 1:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA not announcing graphics or links

 

Hi Dave,

Can anyone explain why my firefox browser does not announce “graphic” or something like that when hovering over an image containing alt text that is also a link?  It does read out the alt text.  Also, there is no announcement of a “Link” when hovering over a text link – just reads the text so user would not know it is a link. 

This is controlled by the "Report role when mouse enters object" setting in NVDA's mouse settings, which is off by default.

Also, when hovering over either an image or text that is a link, the destination URL is read out in full.  Does that always occur?  Seems redundant if the alt text of the image link or the text of the text link already says that it is a link and where the link is going.

I'm not sure about this one. I thought it might be because reporting of tooltips was on, but turning that off did not make a difference for me.

Regards,
Sascha

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