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Reading PowerPoint slides in Protected View

Sascha Cowley
 

Hi all,
I did a search, but couldn't find anything on list about this, and could just be missing something.
As is probably quite common, my university makes our lecture slides available as Microsoft PowerPoint files. Since these files are downloaded, PowerPoint opens them in protected view. Now, I know how to enable editing, but I can't work out a good way of accessing the slides with protected view enabled. When I cycle through PowerPoint's various areas (with F6 or Shift+F6), I just hear "pane" where I would expect the slide switcher and slide view to be.
The only way I have found to be able to read the slides (apart from starting the slide show) is to navigate to this pane, move the mouse to the navigator and left click. I am then able to interact with the slides as normal, except, of course, I can't change anything.
You may of course ask why I don't just enable editing. Two reasons really. The first, which I'm not really concerned about with these files, is security. The second is that I don't want to modify these files, and protected view is just another mechanism to prevent accidental edits.
If anyone is aware of a better way of interacting with slideshows in protected view, I'd love to hear about it. If not, I might look and see if there is an issue open on this and if not open one myself.

Regards,
Sascha


Searching the NVDA Group Archive

 

Believe it or not, Groups.io has made searching the group archive easier than it once was as far as plowing through search results go, so I have updated the document, Searching the NVDA Group Archive (MS-Word format), the text of which follows.

My problem is that I really cannot know what "table traversal method" any given individual might use and prefer, so I don't get really specific on that aspect.  I have never received any feedback (which I'd appreciate either on this topic or by using the Reply to Sender link at the bottom of this message to reply to me privately) from anyone, so if you use them and find something that you found difficult to follow or have other suggestions for improvement please share them.
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Searching the Group Archive

Option 1 – Using the Groups.io Archive Search Page

1.        Navigate to the archive search page:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/search

2.      Enter your search terms in the Search edit box:  [term1 term2 term3] without the square brackets, as an example.  Remember that if you want a specific phrase, you must enclose the words of that phrase inside quotation marks.  Searching for [bash terminal] will get you topics containing bash, or terminal, or bash terminal, while searching for [“bash terminal”] with the quotes will only get topics with the exact phrase “bash terminal” in them.

3.       Activate the Search button.

4.      Results list will be returned in the form of a web table of messages by default.  If you prefer to have it presented as a web table of topics, which will be significantly shorter to plow through, then:

a.      Activate the Tools button.

b.      Check the Collapse Topics checkbox.  You’re probably done, but for additional options see step 4c, otherwise, go to step 5.

c.       If you so desire there are additional options, a dropdown that allows you to limit the date range for the messages, which defaults to Any Time, a checkbox for Exclude signatures, which will omit signature text from the search, and a Clear button, which will set all of the previously mentioned additional options back to their defaults:  Any time and both checkboxes unchecked.

5.      Use your screen reader’s option for traversing a web table (T in both NVDA and JAWS will throw focus to the table).  Once you have focus on the web table, use your screen reader’s options for navigating a table (for NVDA users, you should consider getting the Easy Table Navigator add-on, which makes table traversal easier using the arrow keys).  Note:  the first column in each row of the table is an empty place holder, it’s what you jump to right afterward that’s the meat of the matter.  Each message (or topic, if you collapsed to topic view) is presented as a link, so if you want to quickly jump from result to result, use your screen reader’s link commands.  Immediately after the link for the message is another column with a brief snippet of the actual message, followed by the link to the member profile of the member who posted the message or started the topic.  Depending on what you’re trying to find the most quickly will determine what table traversal strategy you use.  I personally find either tabbing through the table or using the unvisited link command jumps you through all the search results most rapidly for initial review.  Once you’ve landed on an item of interest, you can look at the additional columns related to that entry more closely.

6.      Activating the link for a specific message (or topic) will open that message (or topic) for reading.  If you’re opening a topic, you’ll have a web table presented again that is a list of all the existing messages in a topic, you’d navigate that via table navigation.  If you’re opening a single message, it’s still presented in web table format, but there’s only one row, so using the table quick navigation shortcut, tabbing into the message, then reading as you wish to is the fastest way to get through a single message.  It requires some practice with the search results to find out what is the best way for you to review them.  There are multiple paths one might take through the search results.

 

Option 2 – Using the web search engine of your choosing

1.        Navigate to the page of the search engine of your choosing, e.g., Google, DuckDuckGo, Yahoo, etc.

2.      In the edit box for your search terms, put in the keywords (or quote enclosed phrases) you’re looking for first.  Immediately follow those with exactly this, site:nvda.groups.io/g/nvda    That tells the search engine to limit itself to searching the site that immediately follows the site: operator (no space after that colon).  Run the search.   If you prefer, you can put the site: operator at the beginning of your search terms rather than at the end.  It’s just got to be in there somewhere.

3.       Use your screen reader’s option for showing a list of headings, as all web search engines I have used return the individual web pages returned as a list of headings.  Review those headings to review what’s been returned.  You can also use the single letter navigation command for headings (typically H) to jump from heading to heading [result to result].

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Re: NVDA Goes Silent When Working with Outlook 2016 - Where does the fault lie?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Christo,

The error in the log appears to be to do with the mouse, although more context would be useful to help track down exactly what is going on there.  Could you get me a copy of your NVDA log to have a look at please, ideally at debug level?
Please send it attached to an email to info@....  Include a description of what you have done and what isn't working as it should (so I know what it's about in case I don't get to investigate today).

First of all, your NVDA key is either INSERT or CAPS LOCK, depending on how you have NVDA setup.  So, to set your log level:
1) Press NVDA+control+g to open the general settings
2) Press TAB until the focus is on 'Log level'
3) Press DOWN ARROW to get to 'Debug'
4) Press ENTER to close settings
5) Press NVDA+control+c to save settings.

To restart NVDA with add-ons disabled:
1) Press NVDA+Q
2) Down arrow to 'Restart with add-ons disabled'
3) Press ENTER

Next, recreate the issue - do whatever causes problems (or wait for the problem to recur in this case)

To get NVDA's log after that, there are several ways:

If NVDA is still running and usable:
1) Press NVDA+F1 to open the log viewer
2) Press CONTROL+A to select all.
3) Press CONTROL+C to copy.
4) Open your email and start a message to info@..., type a little about what you have done and what has happened in the body of the message, then leave a space and:
5) Press CONTROL+V to paste the copied log.

Instead of using the log viewer, or if NVDA has stopped and you needed to restart it or the computer:
1) Press WINDOWS+R to open Windows' Run dialog
2) Type %temp% and press ENTER (that's the percent sign, the letter t e m p and another percent sign).  Windows Explorer should open to the temporary folder.
3) Press TAB to move to the file list
4) Press N and move down to find up to three files:  nvda.log (the log file for the current or most recent NVDA session), nvda-old.log (the log from the previous session) and nvda-crash.dmp (a crash dump with more information created if NVDA itself crashes).
5) Depending on what email program you use, the steps will be different, but attach as many of those three files to an email to info@... as will be useful, and again in the body of the message describe a bit about what has happened.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 12:23 AM Christo Vorster <cvklaviere@...> wrote:

Good day Group

 

From time to time I find that NVDA keeps quiet while I work in MS Outlook 2016. When I press ALT-Tab twice it start speaking again, but it only reads the message my cursor is on. I copied the view log, hopefully someone can tell me whether it is a NVDA or Microsoft problem.

 

The log look as follows:

 

INFO - __main__ (15:05:18.440) - MainThread (8168):

Starting NVDA version 2020.3

INFO - core.main (15:05:24.668) - MainThread (8168):

Config dir: C:\Users\Christo Vorster\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (15:05:24.668) - MainThread (8168):

Loading config: C:\Users\Christo Vorster\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (15:05:25.505) - MainThread (8168):

Using Windows version 10.0.19041 workstation

INFO - core.main (15:05:25.506) - MainThread (8168):

Using Python version 3.7.9 (tags/v3.7.9:13c94747c7, Aug 17 2020, 18:01:55) [MSC v.1900 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (15:05:25.507) - MainThread (8168):

Using comtypes version 1.1.7

INFO - core.main (15:05:25.507) - MainThread (8168):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (15:05:28.562) - MainThread (8168):

Loaded synthDriver ibmeci

INFO - core.main (15:05:29.097) - MainThread (8168):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 with six version 1.12.0

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (15:05:29.107) - MainThread (8168):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (15:05:29.109) - MainThread (8168):

Using liblouis version 3.14.0

INFO - braille.initialize (15:05:29.122) - MainThread (8168):

Using pySerial version 3.4

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (15:05:29.167) - MainThread (8168):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - core.main (15:05:29.987) - MainThread (8168):

Java Access Bridge support initialized

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (15:05:30.056) - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (8396):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

ERROR - mouseHandler.initialize (15:05:35.596) - MainThread (8168):

Error retrieving initial mouse object

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "mouseHandler.pyc", line 236, in initialize

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 285, in objectFromPoint

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 225, in findBestAPIClass

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 224, in findBestAPIClass

  File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 994, in kwargsFromSuper

  File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 26, in __call__

_ctypes.COMError: (-2147467259, 'Unspecified error', (None, None, None, 0, None))

INFO - core.main (15:05:35.876) - MainThread (8168):

NVDA initialized

ERROR - RPC process 12180 (nvda_slave.exe) (15:09:33.469) - Dummy-83 (7612):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 93, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1245, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 935, in GetResult

OSError: [WinError -2147221021] Operation unavailable

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)



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Training and Support Manager


Re: table navigation issues

Sarah k Alawami
 

That I don't have issues with, I use the keys in focus mode to navigate. See gmail's help for more info by hitting question mark in focus mode then switching to browse mode to read said shortcuts.

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On 10 Nov 2020, at 12:10, Louise Pfau wrote:

I have trouble accessing the table containing the list of messages in the gMail interface with NVDA 2020.3, Google Chrome,  and Microsoft Edge.  JAWS 16 recognizes the table correctly.

Louise


Re: table navigation issues

Louise Pfau
 

I have trouble accessing the table containing the list of messages in the gMail interface with NVDA 2020.3, Google Chrome,  and Microsoft Edge.  JAWS 16 recognizes the table correctly.

Louise


Re: table navigation issues

Gene
 

I am not using the latest NVDA but a very recent version. I tested with Edge and with the Brave Browser and was able to move properly in the quick settings page. I'm using Windows 7 but I don't think that would matter since I tested with Edge as one browser.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Logue
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 11:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] table navigation issues

Lots of apps report tables but NVDA doesn't work with them.


Examples are the NVDA user guide and commands quick reference.


Can't move between columns with ctrl+alt+left or right keys.


Windows 2004. NVDA 2020.3. New Edge.

Firefox 73.0.1


On 2020-11-09 1:55 a.m., Gene wrote:
I would think this isn't related to your project, but I see instances where things look like tables to sighted readers but are not, so a screen-reader can't read them in any sort of logical manner. How often this happens, I don't know and it may be to an extent the sites I happen to look at a good deal but it is nonetheless an accessibility issue to present something that looks like a table and isn't

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sean Murphy
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] table navigation issues



All,



I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.








Re: Signing PDF documents with NVDA

Daniel Damacena
 

Maybe you could open it with MS Word, find the line where you are supposed to put your sign and place an image of your sign there. I did it yesterday, but there was no right place no put the sign.

Em 10/11/2020 06:08, Ali Savas escreveu:

Hi Community,

with the adobe Reader it is possible to sign PDF documents.
Unfortunately I have not found a way to do this with NVDA yet. Sighted
people have to drag the signature into the correct field.

Is there an accessible way to sign PDF documents with NVDA?

Thank you very much for your answer and have a wonderful day
Ali





Re: table navigation issues

Robert Logue
 

Lots of apps report tables but NVDA doesn't work with them.


Examples are the NVDA user guide and commands quick reference.


Can't move between columns with ctrl+alt+left or right keys.


Windows 2004. NVDA 2020.3. New Edge.

Firefox 73.0.1

On 2020-11-09 1:55 a.m., Gene wrote:
I would think this isn't related to your project, but I see instances where things look like tables to sighted readers but are not, so a screen-reader can't read them in any sort of logical manner.  How often this happens, I don't know and it may be to an extent the sites I happen to look at a good deal but it is nonetheless an accessibility issue to present something that looks like a table and isn't

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sean Murphy
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 2:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] table navigation issues



All,



I am seeking for examples where NVDA does not correctly navigate web tables. This is a project I am involved in at work. We are collecting good and bad examples of tables. So if you have any web pages with tables that NVDA does not work with. Please share.







Re: NVDA Goes Silent When Working with Outlook 2016 - Where does the fault lie?

 

Christo,

            I have retitled your post for both clarity and archive maintenance purposes.  I hope that someone will be able to assist in figuring this issue out.

            That being said, it has been asked that logs not be posted to the group, and I would ask you, and all members, to refrain from doing so in the future.  If an assistant needs a log or log segment, they will request it and it should be sent privately.  There are many times when NVDA logs can contain information that would be sensitive and that the end user would really not want to have out in public, and they'd have no way of knowing it's even there, and this is why we do not want public posting of full logs or log segments.  That, and there are mighty few members who have the expertise to interpret them, too.
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Signing PDF documents with NVDA

Ali Colak
 

A question I would like to ask as well

On 11/10/20, Ali Savas <ali-savas@gmx.de> wrote:
Hi Community,

with the adobe Reader it is possible to sign PDF documents.
Unfortunately I have not found a way to do this with NVDA yet. Sighted
people have to drag the signature into the correct field.

Is there an accessible way to sign PDF documents with NVDA?

Thank you very much for your answer and have a wonderful day
Ali







NVDA Goes Silent When Working with Outlook 2016 - Where does the fault lie?

Christo Vorster
 

Good day Group

 

From time to time I find that NVDA keeps quiet while I work in MS Outlook 2016. When I press ALT-Tab twice it start speaking again, but it only reads the message my cursor is on. I copied the view log, hopefully someone can tell me whether it is a NVDA or Microsoft problem.

 

The log look as follows:

 

INFO - __main__ (15:05:18.440) - MainThread (8168):

Starting NVDA version 2020.3

INFO - core.main (15:05:24.668) - MainThread (8168):

Config dir: C:\Users\Christo Vorster\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (15:05:24.668) - MainThread (8168):

Loading config: C:\Users\Christo Vorster\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (15:05:25.505) - MainThread (8168):

Using Windows version 10.0.19041 workstation

INFO - core.main (15:05:25.506) - MainThread (8168):

Using Python version 3.7.9 (tags/v3.7.9:13c94747c7, Aug 17 2020, 18:01:55) [MSC v.1900 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (15:05:25.507) - MainThread (8168):

Using comtypes version 1.1.7

INFO - core.main (15:05:25.507) - MainThread (8168):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (15:05:28.562) - MainThread (8168):

Loaded synthDriver ibmeci

INFO - core.main (15:05:29.097) - MainThread (8168):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 with six version 1.12.0

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (15:05:29.107) - MainThread (8168):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (15:05:29.109) - MainThread (8168):

Using liblouis version 3.14.0

INFO - braille.initialize (15:05:29.122) - MainThread (8168):

Using pySerial version 3.4

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (15:05:29.167) - MainThread (8168):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - core.main (15:05:29.987) - MainThread (8168):

Java Access Bridge support initialized

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (15:05:30.056) - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (8396):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

ERROR - mouseHandler.initialize (15:05:35.596) - MainThread (8168):

Error retrieving initial mouse object

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "mouseHandler.pyc", line 236, in initialize

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 285, in objectFromPoint

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 225, in findBestAPIClass

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 224, in findBestAPIClass

  File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 994, in kwargsFromSuper

  File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 26, in __call__

_ctypes.COMError: (-2147467259, 'Unspecified error', (None, None, None, 0, None))

INFO - core.main (15:05:35.876) - MainThread (8168):

NVDA initialized

ERROR - RPC process 12180 (nvda_slave.exe) (15:09:33.469) - Dummy-83 (7612):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 93, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1245, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 935, in GetResult

OSError: [WinError -2147221021] Operation unavailable

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

Socheat
 

You can browse to the direct download link of the driver from the main website as far as I'm aware. The only way to get the driver is to use this direct link:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/Instal/vocalizer_expressive_driver-3.1.2.nvda-addon


Socheat

On 11/10/2020 9:22 AM, Jesse Farquharson wrote:

Hi,

This web address gives me a 404 error. I have checked and it exactly matches what is posted here.

Is there any way to translate the Tiflotecnia site into English? This would make grabbing stuff so much less maddening.


Signing PDF documents with NVDA

Ali Savas
 

Hi Community,

with the adobe Reader it is possible to sign PDF documents.
Unfortunately I have not found a way to do this with NVDA yet. Sighted
people have to drag the signature into the correct field.

Is there an accessible way to sign PDF documents with NVDA?

Thank you very much for your answer and have a wonderful day
Ali


Add-on updates: StationPlaylist 20.11.1/20.09.4-LTS, Windows 10 App Essentials will support Version 1909 until January 2021 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

Two add-on updates:

  • StationPlaylist: versions 20.11.1 and 20.09.4-LTS are now available (the former is stable, the latter is long-term support version). These releases include initial support for StationPlaylist suite 5.50 and improves various add-on dialogs using features introduced in NVDA 2020.3. As always, the new update can be found via Add-on Updater.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: Windows 10 Version 1909 (November 2019 Update) will be supported until January 2021. Originally end of support was December but was extended to January 2021 due to a need to prepare the add-on for future NVDA releases.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

Jesse Farquharson
 

Hi,

This web address gives me a 404 error. I have checked and it exactly matches what is posted here.

Is there any way to translate the Tiflotecnia site into English? This would make grabbing stuff so much less maddening.


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

Chris Smart
 

oh sorry. I misunderstood.



On 2020-11-09 10:11 p.m., Samuel Villa wrote:

Not code factory voices. I meant the ones from tiflotechnia.


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

Samuel Villa
 

Not code factory voices. I meant the ones from tiflotechnia.


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

mattias
 

i wonder if rui dont can answer this?

Den 10 november 2020 02:41:09 skrev "Socheat Muth" <socheat.mt.lc@...>:

I heard that the dev of vocalizer expressive says there will be a demo in the next driver releases, but I'm not sure when it's going to release. The driver on the main website haven't update for ages.

On 11/10/2020 5:22 AM, Samuel Villa wrote:

I don’t mean to complain, but when I install the driver and a voice it says that the demo expired. I really want to try this product. Could somebody try to get me in the right direction? Thanks.


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

Socheat
 

I heard that the dev of vocalizer expressive says there will be a demo in the next driver releases, but I'm not sure when it's going to release. The driver on the main website haven't update for ages.

On 11/10/2020 5:22 AM, Samuel Villa wrote:

I don’t mean to complain, but when I install the driver and a voice it says that the demo expired. I really want to try this product. Could somebody try to get me in the right direction? Thanks.


Re: latest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

mattias
 

you talk about tiflotecnia here. not codefactory. codefactory have 7 day trial

Den 9 november 2020 23:12:06 skrev "Gene" <gsasner@...>:

Not necessarily.  One of the companies that provides synthesizers uses a
system that it may not want to use.  I don't know why it does but it’s a
very bad system.

A new driver is released from time to time which runs until a certain date.
It is the same date for everyone, no matter when they install it.  If you
install it one day before the date, it will expire the next day.  If you
install it after it expires it won't work for any period of time.  That is
likely what the problem is and as far as I know, there is nothing to do but
wait for another driver.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Monday, November 09, 2020 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] lateest version of vocalizer expressive driver for NVDA

You must have tried it in the past.


consider buying the product.


Or, maybe write Code Factory a nice email and ask for an extension of the
demo period? It's worth a try.





On 2020-11-09 5:22 p.m., Samuel Villa wrote:

I don’t mean to complain, but when I install the driver and a voice it says
that the demo expired. I really want to try this product. Could somebody try
to get me in the right direction? Thanks.





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