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Re: Easy Table Navigator add-on controls

 

Hi,

You need to go to Input Gestures, locate Easy Table Navigator category, and assign a command to toggle table navigation layer.

Cheers,
Joseph (author of Easy Table Navigator add-on)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Louise Pfau
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2020 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Easy Table Navigator add-on controls

 

Hi.  How do you toggle table navigation with the Easy Table Navigator add-on?  I checked the help documentation, and it says something like "no command assigned".  I can't find a settings category for it either.

Thanks,

Louise


Easy Table Navigator add-on controls

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  How do you toggle table navigation with the Easy Table Navigator add-on?  I checked the help documentation, and it says something like "no command assigned".  I can't find a settings category for it either.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: NVDA Verbosity for Grouping and sorting messages in Outlook - Can it be changed?

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Thanks for calling this out. It’s a long-standing NVDA annoyance that I’ve just sort of learned to live with, but it would be great if we had a proper solution at some point. I don’t have any suggestions for resolving the verbosity of groupings but you can change the order in which the columns in the message list appear And consequently the order in which those fields are read aloud. For example, in mailing lists like this one, I care less about who sent it or when it was sent and more about what the subject is, so I put the subject as the first column. I don’t have Outlook in front of me at the moment but you can make these adjustments in the view ribbon, I believe by tapping until you get to view settings. Hope this helps a bit, at least.


Re: Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Thank you for asking this! That area of the Settings has long mystified me as well but I figured I wasn’t missing much, considering NVDA seems to work just fine without ever having to touch those settings. Now I understand why. I also agree with the comments here about how some areas of NVDA settings could be better organized, made more clear and more easily discovered with some sort of search mechanism. Thanks again.

On Nov 6, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:



Hi,

For Quentin: I’m thinking we should queue this for 2021.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 4:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Can anyone explain the Input Composition checkboxes in NVDA settings?

 

On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 07:13 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

As much as IME’s are associated with Asian languages, it is used in other languages

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These settings relate to Asian languages and other languages that use IMEs as part of their input.

Easy.
 
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Re: Adobe Reader and NVDA

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


use the alt/tab key it will then come into focus then it will ask you how to read it after a couple of tabs.


if it is accessible nvda will be able to read it.


Gene nz


On 12/11/2020 1:19 am, Jarek.Krcmar wrote:

Thanks, quentin for your message.

I open a file, and Adobereader says Avpage view.

But than I can read a text normally.


Jarek
Dne 10.11.2020 v 1:53 Quentin Christensen napsal(a):
I'm not sure what Avpage view is?

Normally, when you open a PDF file, if it has been created properly and is accessible, you should be able to read it just like reading a Word document or web page.

If the document has been scanned as an image of text, NVDA will normally report this, and in that case you can press NVDA+r to run OCR on the document, and then use the standard reading and navigation keys to read the text (and press escape when done).

Otherwise if you could perhaps give more information about the error?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:46 PM Jarek.Krcmar <Jarek.Krcmar@...> wrote:
Hello all in group,

I have a problem with an Adobereader.

If I open a pdf file, Nvda says Avpage view.

What I may do, for reading a text?


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Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

 

Sacha,

            I have created an NVDA bug report:  https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11831 

            Regardless of where the fault lies, behavior on the same page should not differ, particularly with regard to page structure, based on browser in use.  If you care to comment on it to give any further details regarding your Firefox experience please do so.

             Somebody's got to fix something, it's just a question of who, and the NVAccess folks can figure out where the fault lies and reach out and/or fix NVDA accordingly.
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Re: Adobe Reader and NVDA

Jarek.Krcmar
 

Thanks, quentin for your message.

I open a file, and Adobereader says Avpage view.

But than I can read a text normally.


Jarek
Dne 10.11.2020 v 1:53 Quentin Christensen napsal(a):

I'm not sure what Avpage view is?

Normally, when you open a PDF file, if it has been created properly and is accessible, you should be able to read it just like reading a Word document or web page.

If the document has been scanned as an image of text, NVDA will normally report this, and in that case you can press NVDA+r to run OCR on the document, and then use the standard reading and navigation keys to read the text (and press escape when done).

Otherwise if you could perhaps give more information about the error?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 8:46 PM Jarek.Krcmar <Jarek.Krcmar@...> wrote:
Hello all in group,

I have a problem with an Adobereader.

If I open a pdf file, Nvda says Avpage view.

What I may do, for reading a text?


--
Jarek








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: NVDA Goes Silent When Working with Outlook 2016 - Where does the fault lie?

Christo Vorster
 

Hi Brian

 

Thanks for the correction, I truly was not aware of that.

 

Thanks again

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2020 18:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Goes Silent When Working with Outlook 2016 - Where does the fault lie?

 

Christo,

            I have retitled your post for both clarity and archive maintenance purposes.  I hope that someone will be able to assist in figuring this issue out.

            That being said, it has been asked that logs not be posted to the group, and I would ask you, and all members, to refrain from doing so in the future.  If an assistant needs a log or log segment, they will request it and it should be sent privately.  There are many times when NVDA logs can contain information that would be sensitive and that the end user would really not want to have out in public, and they'd have no way of knowing it's even there, and this is why we do not want public posting of full logs or log segments.  That, and there are mighty few members who have the expertise to interpret them, too.
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Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

Sascha Cowley
 

I think it's a chromium thing. Visually, there is no table there (as far as I can see). There is a table in the code, but what the purpose of it is, I don't know; the first column seems to be empty. I believe, therefore, that NVDA treating it as a layout table, and thus ignoring it, in Firefox, is the correct behaviour.

On 11/11/2020 13:50, Brian Vogel wrote:
Sascha,

          Just did a test with Firefox and it is a "Firefox thing."  I get no table using Firefox, too, but I don't know why this is, because a quick look at the page source sure shows a web/HTML table being employed.

           There's a bug somewhere, but whether it's Firefox or NVDA I don't know, or else all of the Chromium-based browsers share a bug or NVDA with them in regard to what's going on.

           I don't know for absolute certain which browser is having things "presented correctly" by NVDA.
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Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

 

Sascha,

          Just did a test with Firefox and it is a "Firefox thing."  I get no table using Firefox, too, but I don't know why this is, because a quick look at the page source sure shows a web/HTML table being employed.

           There's a bug somewhere, but whether it's Firefox or NVDA I don't know, or else all of the Chromium-based browsers share a bug or NVDA with them in regard to what's going on.

           I don't know for absolute certain which browser is having things "presented correctly" by NVDA.
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

 

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 09:37 PM, Sascha Cowley wrote:
I believe this is the way NVDA is configured by default,
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I know I have not changed any settings, ever, in reference to tables.  It is off in mine as well, and I stepped through everything using NVDA to create the instructions.

I don't know what's going on on your end, but it's not happening here in several Chromium-based browsers, so it could be a Firefox-related issue.
 
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

Sascha Cowley
 

Turns out this is because I have "Include layout tables" disabled in NVDA's browse mode settings. I believe this is the way NVDA is configured by default, so I would suggest adding a note to your tutorial instructions. I'm using Firefox, in case the browser makes a difference.

On 11/11/2020 12:58, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 07:48 PM, Sascha Cowley wrote:
Interesting, the results are not displayed in table form for me on groups.io. Any idea why?
-
Absolutely none.  I have no idea why a search results page, be it from Grousp.io or a web search engine, would not use the same page format for every single person who's looking at said page.
 
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Reading PowerPoint slides in Protected View

Sascha Cowley
 

Thanks, Quentin.

On 11/11/2020 12:30, Quentin Christensen wrote:
This is a known issue with PowerPoint - we have an open issue for it here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10155

In the meantime, the workaround (aside from enabling editing), is to actually run the presentation (press F5) - NVDA will read the presentation when running.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 11:44 AM Sascha Cowley via groups.io <sascha.camille=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all,
I did a search, but couldn't find anything on list about this, and could just be missing something.
As is probably quite common, my university makes our lecture slides available as Microsoft PowerPoint files. Since these files are downloaded, PowerPoint opens them in protected view. Now, I know how to enable editing, but I can't work out a good way of accessing the slides with protected view enabled. When I cycle through PowerPoint's various areas (with F6 or Shift+F6), I just hear "pane" where I would expect the slide switcher and slide view to be.
The only way I have found to be able to read the slides (apart from starting the slide show) is to navigate to this pane, move the mouse to the navigator and left click. I am then able to interact with the slides as normal, except, of course, I can't change anything.
You may of course ask why I don't just enable editing. Two reasons really. The first, which I'm not really concerned about with these files, is security. The second is that I don't want to modify these files, and protected view is just another mechanism to prevent accidental edits.
If anyone is aware of a better way of interacting with slideshows in protected view, I'd love to hear about it. If not, I might look and see if there is an issue open on this and if not open one myself.

Regards,
Sascha



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Training and Support Manager


Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

 

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 08:22 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know how the table lookks, but I see little reason to use it.
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It's not about looks, as no matter what method of navigation you're using the web table is part of the page structure, but about "keeping traversal orderly" for those unfamiliar with the page, which table traversal does.

But, as the instructions note, and you're giving a perfect example of this in action:  "It requires some practice with the search results to find out what is the best way for you to review them.  There are multiple paths one might take through the search results."  Different strokes for different folks.  Whatever works for you is just fine.

It's hard to know where the appropriate line is between prescriptive and descriptive in this sort of tutorial.
 
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

 

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 08:32 PM, Gene wrote:
not just site:nvda.groups.io followed by the search?
-
Gene,

Purely an accident of Groups.io history and what worked when I first was trying to work through this, and what you propose did not.

Now they are equivalent, at least in my brief testing, and I agree that "briefer is better."  I seem to recall when I first tried doing this that I was getting several search results that were "from the group's site" but not actually a part of the archive of messages.  But that doesn't seem to be happening now.
 
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

 

On Tue, Nov 10, 2020 at 07:48 PM, Sascha Cowley wrote:
Interesting, the results are not displayed in table form for me on groups.io. Any idea why?
-
Absolutely none.  I have no idea why a search results page, be it from Grousp.io or a web search engine, would not use the same page format for every single person who's looking at said page.
 
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

Gene
 

Also, in searching using a search engine, why use /g/nvda and not just site:nvda.groups.io followed by the search?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 6:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Searching the NVDA Group Archive

Believe it or not, Groups.io has made searching the group archive easier than it once was as far as plowing through search results go, so I have updated the document, Searching the NVDA Group Archive (MS-Word format), the text of which follows.

My problem is that I really cannot know what "table traversal method" any given individual might use and prefer, so I don't get really specific on that aspect. I have never received any feedback (which I'd appreciate either on this topic or by using the Reply to Sender link at the bottom of this message to reply to me privately) from anyone, so if you use them and find something that you found difficult to follow or have other suggestions for improvement please share them.
------------------------------------------------


Searching the Group Archive

Option 1 – Using the Groups.io Archive Search Page

1. <!--[endif]-->Navigate to the archive search page: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/search

2. <!--[endif]-->Enter your search terms in the Search edit box: [term1 term2 term3] without the square brackets, as an example. Remember that if you want a specific phrase, you must enclose the words of that phrase inside quotation marks. Searching for [bash terminal] will get you topics containing bash, or terminal, or bash terminal, while searching for [“bash terminal”] with the quotes will only get topics with the exact phrase “bash terminal” in them.

3. <!--[endif]-->Activate the Search button.

4. <!--[endif]-->Results list will be returned in the form of a web table of messages by default. If you prefer to have it presented as a web table of topics, which will be significantly shorter to plow through, then:

a. <!--[endif]-->Activate the Tools button.

b. <!--[endif]-->Check the Collapse Topics checkbox. You’re probably done, but for additional options see step 4c, otherwise, go to step 5.

c. <!--[endif]-->If you so desire there are additional options, a dropdown that allows you to limit the date range for the messages, which defaults to Any Time, a checkbox for Exclude signatures, which will omit signature text from the search, and a Clear button, which will set all of the previously mentioned additional options back to their defaults: Any time and both checkboxes unchecked.

5. <!--[endif]-->Use your screen reader’s option for traversing a web table (T in both NVDA and JAWS will throw focus to the table). Once you have focus on the web table, use your screen reader’s options for navigating a table (for NVDA users, you should consider getting the Easy Table Navigator add-on, which makes table traversal easier using the arrow keys). Note: the first column in each row of the table is an empty place holder, it’s what you jump to right afterward that’s the meat of the matter. Each message (or topic, if you collapsed to topic view) is presented as a link, so if you want to quickly jump from result to result, use your screen reader’s link commands. Immediately after the link for the message is another column with a brief snippet of the actual message, followed by the link to the member profile of the member who posted the message or started the topic. Depending on what you’re trying to find the most quickly will determine what table traversal strategy you use. I personally find either tabbing through the table or using the unvisited link command jumps you through all the search results most rapidly for initial review. Once you’ve landed on an item of interest, you can look at the additional columns related to that entry more closely.

6. <!--[endif]-->Activating the link for a specific message (or topic) will open that message (or topic) for reading. If you’re opening a topic, you’ll have a web table presented again that is a list of all the existing messages in a topic, you’d navigate that via table navigation. If you’re opening a single message, it’s still presented in web table format, but there’s only one row, so using the table quick navigation shortcut, tabbing into the message, then reading as you wish to is the fastest way to get through a single message. It requires some practice with the search results to find out what is the best way for you to review them. There are multiple paths one might take through the search results.



Option 2 – Using the web search engine of your choosing

1. <!--[endif]-->Navigate to the page of the search engine of your choosing, e.g., Google, DuckDuckGo, Yahoo, etc.

2. <!--[endif]-->In the edit box for your search terms, put in the keywords (or quote enclosed phrases) you’re looking for first. Immediately follow those with exactly this, site:nvda.groups.io/g/nvda That tells the search engine to limit itself to searching the site that immediately follows the site: operator (no space after that colon). Run the search. If you prefer, you can put the site: operator at the beginning of your search terms rather than at the end. It’s just got to be in there somewhere.

3. <!--[endif]-->Use your screen reader’s option for showing a list of headings, as all web search engines I have used return the individual web pages returned as a list of headings. Review those headings to review what’s been returned. You can also use the single letter navigation command for headings (typically H) to jump from heading to heading [result to result].

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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

~ Thomas Reed Powell


Re: Reading PowerPoint slides in Protected View

Quentin Christensen
 

This is a known issue with PowerPoint - we have an open issue for it here: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/10155

In the meantime, the workaround (aside from enabling editing), is to actually run the presentation (press F5) - NVDA will read the presentation when running.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 11, 2020 at 11:44 AM Sascha Cowley via groups.io <sascha.camille=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hi all,
I did a search, but couldn't find anything on list about this, and could just be missing something.
As is probably quite common, my university makes our lecture slides available as Microsoft PowerPoint files. Since these files are downloaded, PowerPoint opens them in protected view. Now, I know how to enable editing, but I can't work out a good way of accessing the slides with protected view enabled. When I cycle through PowerPoint's various areas (with F6 or Shift+F6), I just hear "pane" where I would expect the slide switcher and slide view to be.
The only way I have found to be able to read the slides (apart from starting the slide show) is to navigate to this pane, move the mouse to the navigator and left click. I am then able to interact with the slides as normal, except, of course, I can't change anything.
You may of course ask why I don't just enable editing. Two reasons really. The first, which I'm not really concerned about with these files, is security. The second is that I don't want to modify these files, and protected view is just another mechanism to prevent accidental edits.
If anyone is aware of a better way of interacting with slideshows in protected view, I'd love to hear about it. If not, I might look and see if there is an issue open on this and if not open one myself.

Regards,
Sascha



--
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Training and Support Manager


Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

Gene
 

When I do a search on Groups.io and I am in the table, there is only one column with text in it. I' think column is the correct term. There are one or two blank columns on either side. If I move to the column in table mode and move down, each time I move down, all the information is read, the subject of the message, the excerpt of the message, and who wrote it. I don't know how the table lookks, but I see little reason to use it. Others may prefer moving in table mode, but I much prefer tabbing to the subject line of a message, and starting to read the exerpt by down arrowing once. If I want to hear more of the excerpt, I may just continue in that way or I may use read to end, but I think it is better in this case, to down arrow. I keep one hand on tab and the other on down arrow.
If I want to skip to the next message, I tab once to the author's name, which is a link, then once more to the next subject. I can move efficiently by listening to the subject of a message, down arrowing if I want to hear the excerpt or part of it, tabbing to the name if I don't want to hear more than part of the excerpt, then tabbing again to the next title. If I hear a little of the excerpt and I don't care about who wrote it, I can quickly press tab twice to get to the next subject line.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2020 6:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Searching the NVDA Group Archive

Believe it or not, Groups.io has made searching the group archive easier than it once was as far as plowing through search results go, so I have updated the document, Searching the NVDA Group Archive (MS-Word format), the text of which follows.

My problem is that I really cannot know what "table traversal method" any given individual might use and prefer, so I don't get really specific on that aspect. I have never received any feedback (which I'd appreciate either on this topic or by using the Reply to Sender link at the bottom of this message to reply to me privately) from anyone, so if you use them and find something that you found difficult to follow or have other suggestions for improvement please share them.
------------------------------------------------


Searching the Group Archive

Option 1 – Using the Groups.io Archive Search Page

1. <!--[endif]-->Navigate to the archive search page: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/search

2. <!--[endif]-->Enter your search terms in the Search edit box: [term1 term2 term3] without the square brackets, as an example. Remember that if you want a specific phrase, you must enclose the words of that phrase inside quotation marks. Searching for [bash terminal] will get you topics containing bash, or terminal, or bash terminal, while searching for [“bash terminal”] with the quotes will only get topics with the exact phrase “bash terminal” in them.

3. <!--[endif]-->Activate the Search button.

4. <!--[endif]-->Results list will be returned in the form of a web table of messages by default. If you prefer to have it presented as a web table of topics, which will be significantly shorter to plow through, then:

a. <!--[endif]-->Activate the Tools button.

b. <!--[endif]-->Check the Collapse Topics checkbox. You’re probably done, but for additional options see step 4c, otherwise, go to step 5.

c. <!--[endif]-->If you so desire there are additional options, a dropdown that allows you to limit the date range for the messages, which defaults to Any Time, a checkbox for Exclude signatures, which will omit signature text from the search, and a Clear button, which will set all of the previously mentioned additional options back to their defaults: Any time and both checkboxes unchecked.

5. <!--[endif]-->Use your screen reader’s option for traversing a web table (T in both NVDA and JAWS will throw focus to the table). Once you have focus on the web table, use your screen reader’s options for navigating a table (for NVDA users, you should consider getting the Easy Table Navigator add-on, which makes table traversal easier using the arrow keys). Note: the first column in each row of the table is an empty place holder, it’s what you jump to right afterward that’s the meat of the matter. Each message (or topic, if you collapsed to topic view) is presented as a link, so if you want to quickly jump from result to result, use your screen reader’s link commands. Immediately after the link for the message is another column with a brief snippet of the actual message, followed by the link to the member profile of the member who posted the message or started the topic. Depending on what you’re trying to find the most quickly will determine what table traversal strategy you use. I personally find either tabbing through the table or using the unvisited link command jumps you through all the search results most rapidly for initial review. Once you’ve landed on an item of interest, you can look at the additional columns related to that entry more closely.

6. <!--[endif]-->Activating the link for a specific message (or topic) will open that message (or topic) for reading. If you’re opening a topic, you’ll have a web table presented again that is a list of all the existing messages in a topic, you’d navigate that via table navigation. If you’re opening a single message, it’s still presented in web table format, but there’s only one row, so using the table quick navigation shortcut, tabbing into the message, then reading as you wish to is the fastest way to get through a single message. It requires some practice with the search results to find out what is the best way for you to review them. There are multiple paths one might take through the search results.



Option 2 – Using the web search engine of your choosing

1. <!--[endif]-->Navigate to the page of the search engine of your choosing, e.g., Google, DuckDuckGo, Yahoo, etc.

2. <!--[endif]-->In the edit box for your search terms, put in the keywords (or quote enclosed phrases) you’re looking for first. Immediately follow those with exactly this, site:nvda.groups.io/g/nvda That tells the search engine to limit itself to searching the site that immediately follows the site: operator (no space after that colon). Run the search. If you prefer, you can put the site: operator at the beginning of your search terms rather than at the end. It’s just got to be in there somewhere.

3. <!--[endif]-->Use your screen reader’s option for showing a list of headings, as all web search engines I have used return the individual web pages returned as a list of headings. Review those headings to review what’s been returned. You can also use the single letter navigation command for headings (typically H) to jump from heading to heading [result to result].

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

~ Thomas Reed Powell


Re: Searching the NVDA Group Archive

Sascha Cowley
 

Hi Brian,

Interesting, the results are not displayed in table form for me on groups.io. Any idea why?

On 11/11/2020 11:39, Brian Vogel wrote:
Believe it or not, Groups.io has made searching the group archive easier than it once was as far as plowing through search results go, so I have updated the document, Searching the NVDA Group Archive (MS-Word format), the text of which follows.

My problem is that I really cannot know what "table traversal method" any given individual might use and prefer, so I don't get really specific on that aspect.  I have never received any feedback (which I'd appreciate either on this topic or by using the Reply to Sender link at the bottom of this message to reply to me privately) from anyone, so if you use them and find something that you found difficult to follow or have other suggestions for improvement please share them.
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Searching the Group Archive

Option 1 – Using the Groups.io Archive Search Page

1.        Navigate to the archive search page:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/search

2.      Enter your search terms in the Search edit box:  [term1 term2 term3] without the square brackets, as an example.  Remember that if you want a specific phrase, you must enclose the words of that phrase inside quotation marks.  Searching for [bash terminal] will get you topics containing bash, or terminal, or bash terminal, while searching for [“bash terminal”] with the quotes will only get topics with the exact phrase “bash terminal” in them.

3.       Activate the Search button.

4.      Results list will be returned in the form of a web table of messages by default.  If you prefer to have it presented as a web table of topics, which will be significantly shorter to plow through, then:

a.      Activate the Tools button.

b.      Check the Collapse Topics checkbox.  You’re probably done, but for additional options see step 4c, otherwise, go to step 5.

c.       If you so desire there are additional options, a dropdown that allows you to limit the date range for the messages, which defaults to Any Time, a checkbox for Exclude signatures, which will omit signature text from the search, and a Clear button, which will set all of the previously mentioned additional options back to their defaults:  Any time and both checkboxes unchecked.

5.      Use your screen reader’s option for traversing a web table (T in both NVDA and JAWS will throw focus to the table).  Once you have focus on the web table, use your screen reader’s options for navigating a table (for NVDA users, you should consider getting the Easy Table Navigator add-on, which makes table traversal easier using the arrow keys).  Note:  the first column in each row of the table is an empty place holder, it’s what you jump to right afterward that’s the meat of the matter.  Each message (or topic, if you collapsed to topic view) is presented as a link, so if you want to quickly jump from result to result, use your screen reader’s link commands.  Immediately after the link for the message is another column with a brief snippet of the actual message, followed by the link to the member profile of the member who posted the message or started the topic.  Depending on what you’re trying to find the most quickly will determine what table traversal strategy you use.  I personally find either tabbing through the table or using the unvisited link command jumps you through all the search results most rapidly for initial review.  Once you’ve landed on an item of interest, you can look at the additional columns related to that entry more closely.

6.      Activating the link for a specific message (or topic) will open that message (or topic) for reading.  If you’re opening a topic, you’ll have a web table presented again that is a list of all the existing messages in a topic, you’d navigate that via table navigation.  If you’re opening a single message, it’s still presented in web table format, but there’s only one row, so using the table quick navigation shortcut, tabbing into the message, then reading as you wish to is the fastest way to get through a single message.  It requires some practice with the search results to find out what is the best way for you to review them.  There are multiple paths one might take through the search results.

 

Option 2 – Using the web search engine of your choosing

1.        Navigate to the page of the search engine of your choosing, e.g., Google, DuckDuckGo, Yahoo, etc.

2.      In the edit box for your search terms, put in the keywords (or quote enclosed phrases) you’re looking for first.  Immediately follow those with exactly this, site:nvda.groups.io/g/nvda    That tells the search engine to limit itself to searching the site that immediately follows the site: operator (no space after that colon).  Run the search.   If you prefer, you can put the site: operator at the beginning of your search terms rather than at the end.  It’s just got to be in there somewhere.

3.       Use your screen reader’s option for showing a list of headings, as all web search engines I have used return the individual web pages returned as a list of headings.  Review those headings to review what’s been returned.  You can also use the single letter navigation command for headings (typically H) to jump from heading to heading [result to result].

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

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