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Re: labeling graphics?

Sarah k Alawami
 

If there is no issue on github, maybe the OP can submit an issue on said platform for those of us to comment on.

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On 14 Nov 2020, at 10:50, Gene wrote:

NVDA doesn't have a graphics labeler. It also doesn't have a function like frames in JAWS. While these lacks don't affect a lot of users, they are real disadvantages for many would-be or current users.

I don't know why it doesn't have these functions, if there are technical reasons or others.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] labeling graphics?

Does NVDA have a way to label such graphics as 'read' and 'unread' in
email programs?

Thx


Re: labeling graphics?

Gene
 

NVDA doesn't have a graphics labeler. It also doesn't have a function like frames in JAWS. While these lacks don't affect a lot of users, they are real disadvantages for many would-be or current users.

I don't know why it doesn't have these functions, if there are technical reasons or others.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] labeling graphics?

Does NVDA have a way to label such graphics as 'read' and 'unread' in
email programs?

Thx


labeling graphics?

Ann Byrne
 

Does NVDA have a way to label such graphics as 'read' and 'unread' in email programs?

Thx


Re: status of check box and radio boxes

Jonathan COHN
 

Very hard to tell. If the checkboxes are native ones:
<input role="checkbox" name="myCheckbox">
And NVDA does not announce them then you have found a problem. Sometimes however the web developer has decided they don't like the styles provided by browsers for checkboxes, or they want some additional control in these cases you are likely to see something like:
<div role="checkbox" aria-checked="true" cclass="ckbx uncheck"></div>
Notice how this element has a role this is telling the screen reader hey you know that nondescriptive element div in this case treat it like a checkbox and then the aria-checked attribute in there lets the scree reader know if the checkbox is checked. However, Generally web developers use the "class" attribute to change appearance of elements, and if their Java script updates the class, but does not update the aria-checked you will get as you described, and there is nothing a screen reader can do about this since there are no standards on class and the picture that is changed when the class changes has no attributes and therefore no way to describe it.
Again, one can look at the attributes for this element in either the browsers developer tools, or using the NVDA F1 key sequence and looking at the last couple of lines shown. There should be an attributes line that lists the attributes the browser is providing to the screen reader like tag Name, role etc.

.

On Nov 14, 2020, at 13:21, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:

I am having issues on some web pages where NVDA is not announcing the status of whether a check box is checked or unchecked. I have focus on the box and press the space bar to check it and visual help says it is checked yet NVDA still says unchecked. Any work around for such issues?






Re: status of check box and radio boxes

Gene
 

We can't answer your question, at least those of us who haven't seen the problem, without at least one web page where you have the problem. Please provide one or preferably two or three addresses to such pages.

Without being able to look at any of the pages, I'll suggest the following:
If you issue a command to check or uncheck a checkbox and there is no indicated change, turn off browse mode and use read current line to read the state of the check box. Then turn browse mode on again and continue what you were doing.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 12:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] status of check box and radio boxes

I am having issues on some web pages where NVDA is not announcing the
status of whether a check box is checked or unchecked. I have focus on
the box and press the space bar to check it and visual help says it is
checked yet NVDA still says unchecked. Any work around for such issues?


status of check box and radio boxes

Don H
 

I am having issues on some web pages where NVDA is not announcing the status of whether a check box is checked or unchecked. I have focus on the box and press the space bar to check it and visual help says it is checked yet NVDA still says unchecked. Any work around for such issues?


Re: Refresh screen?

 

Hi,
If I'm understanding this, there's really no command to refresh the screen
as in JAWS, although NVDA+F5 will refresh the browse mode document.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 7:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Refresh screen?

NVDA key escape. the command only works in browse mode.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Refresh screen?

What is the keystroke to refresh the screen?


Cannot edit comments in Word with NVDA #advisory

Rowen Cary
 

 
I have a document with a number of comments.
When I move to the position containing the comment and press Application to select "Edit Comment", NVDA reports the "Toolbar".
At that time, I could not edit the comment, and press the arrow keys NVDA to not speak.
I got the same effect in Office365 and Office2019.
 
Do you know how to solve this problem?

Test document: 
https://update.viyf.org/mc/test.docx

Thanks


Re: Refresh screen?

Gene
 

NVDA key escape. the command only works in browse mode.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Refresh screen?

What is the keystroke to refresh the screen?


Refresh screen?

Ann Byrne
 

What is the keystroke to refresh the screen?


Re: Navigation between windows stops when you press the Windows key plus a number combination.

Sean Randall
 

For the sake of completeness, it is also worth noting:

When alt+tabbing, you can also keep alt held down and tap delete to close  the window that would have gained focus if you released alt. (Windows 10 and later).

And if you do use Windows+T to move to the taskbar,  programs with multiple windows open are grouped together and you can choose which you want from there too.

 

 

 

From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: 13 November 2020 20:58 27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Navigation between windows stops when you press the Windows key plus a number combination.

 

Hi


Yep it opens any of the items there in the running applications area. they are not actually open like a window until you say do windows key + 7 then it will come up. That is the one for my anti virus.


The windows key + letter T will take you to the task bar then you can also use the arrow keys to find what you want then press the enter key on it to open it up.


If you do have windows open use the alt/tab key and it will go between 2 windows..

If you keep on holding down the alt key while tabbing it will take you between all windows open.


Gene nz



On 14/11/2020 9:06 am, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
the command you mentioned highlights the different items I have recently opened in the task bar. as soon as I press the command it immediately opens.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 11:32 AM
Subject: [nvda] Navigation between windows stops when you press the Windows key plus a number combination.

Hi,

maybe you had the same issue and you can help me.

On my task bar at the second position I have the icon of Windows File Manager.

I usually have three or four windows open at the same time of the File Manager, each of which points to a different folder on my computer.

Pressing on the keyboard the shortcut Windows Key plus number 2, I easily open the first File Manager window, and the focus is inside this window.
Pressing Windows Key plus twice number 2 I open the second File Manager window and so on.

So if for example I'm reading something on a web browser window and I want to switch to the second File Manager window, I simply press Window Key plus twice number 2 and the focus moves directly inside this window.

It is a fast and easy way to navigate directly into a specific window.

Basically it works.

But for an unknown reason after some hours I'm working, it doesn't work properly anymore.

This happens:
1. The focus is on a web browser window.
2. I press Windows Key plus number 2 twice.
3. On the task bar is open the preview window of all File Manager windows opened. It is not directly opened the second File Manager window.
Basically it is the same effect as you press Window Key plus T, then you move with the Right arrow on the File Manager window and finally you press Up arrow to enter inside the list of opened File Manager window.
What I have to do at this point is to press left or right key to choose which window I want to open and then press Space Bar key.

It is pretty boring, because I switch continuously from one window to another.

The File Manager window is just an example.
the result it is the same if I have multiple istances of Microsoft Excel window, or Mozilla Firefox window.

I have the feelling it is not depending from the Screen Reader, but it is a Window Operating System issue, maybe a graphic issue?
I've removed all graphic effect, but with no result.

Anyway, somebody who had the same issue solved in some way?

I'm using NVDA at the last version and Windows 10 64 bit last update on a desktop PC.
The same anyway it is also on the laptop with Windows 10.

Thanks a lot.
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Re: NVDA and Notepad ++ search

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

I am using Notepad Plus Plus 7.67.X.  The 7.91.x version released on November 2 is supposedly the current stable version. However, at the bottom of the page, the following is stated:
"if no major issues are found, auto updater will be triggered in few days."  I wonder if there may be some issue with the latest version. I usually wit until the auto updater kicks in and then i UPDATE.

On 11/13/2020 10:48 PM, William Wong wrote:
Gene,

I have just tried using Narrator but Narrator seemed unable to navigate within the document area of Notepad ++

I do not have another screen reader except Narrator.... I cannot try this with another one.

Can any one else confirm this as a nvda bug or notepad ++ bug?

Thanks.

Gene 於 13/11/2020 23:02 寫道:

No, but I doubt this is an NVDA problem. Its probably a Notepad problem since that is a Notepad command. You can check this by testing with another screen-reader.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: William Wong
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 7:24 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Notepad ++ search

I am running the latest stable version 7.9.1

1. I use ctrl f to search for something, and I know that that part of
text exist more than one time in that document.

2. then I press F3 to jump to next result

3. NVDA said no more search result in this direction, but actually the
focus has already jump to the new line that matches the search keyword

4. I try pressing ctrl home and start from the very begining, pressing
F3 do also speak no more search ....

I jump to end by ctrl End, then I press F3, NVDA just say the same, no
more search..... but did not have the sound that indicate no next search

result.


Do anyone  has any idea about how to fix this?


Thanks,

William













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Re: NVDA and Notepad ++ search

 

William,

            Are you running the 32-bit or 64-bit version of Notepad++?

            I am not having the issue you describe.  I just copied and pasted a huge document where the word "using" occurs 27 times.  If I do an Notepad++ search via CTRL+F, I land on the first occurrence of that word and NVDA announces "Using, selected."  Then I close the Find dialog and continue using F3, and on each instance it lands on NVDA says, "Using, selected, unselected."  I am not quite sure why that's how it's phrasing it, but I have a guess.  The instances are highlighted, much like they are selected, but they're not.  I think NVDA's not quite certain initially exactly what is going on, but figures out the correct state pretty quickly.  There is about a one second beat between the "Using, selected," and the following announcement, "unselected."  I did not keep going enough to make the Notepad++ find function wrap, which it's set to do by default after the last instance of something found has been found and you hit F3 immediately afterward.

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Re: NVDA and Notepad ++ search

Gene
 

I'm not sure why you can't see text in Notepad using Narrator.  I can in Windows 7 and I would think you should be able to in Windows 10.


See if this solves the problem.  You can use the screen-reader you usually use.

When in the program, maximize the window, alt space bar, then x. Does that solve the problem?


Gene

On 11/13/2020 9:48 PM, William Wong wrote:
Gene,

I have just tried using Narrator but Narrator seemed unable to navigate within the document area of Notepad ++

I do not have another screen reader except Narrator.... I cannot try this with another one.

Can any one else confirm this as a nvda bug or notepad ++ bug?

Thanks.

Gene 於 13/11/2020 23:02 寫道:

No, but I doubt this is an NVDA problem. Its probably a Notepad problem since that is a Notepad command. You can check this by testing with another screen-reader.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: William Wong
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 7:24 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Notepad ++ search

I am running the latest stable version 7.9.1

1. I use ctrl f to search for something, and I know that that part of
text exist more than one time in that document.

2. then I press F3 to jump to next result

3. NVDA said no more search result in this direction, but actually the
focus has already jump to the new line that matches the search keyword

4. I try pressing ctrl home and start from the very begining, pressing
F3 do also speak no more search ....

I jump to end by ctrl End, then I press F3, NVDA just say the same, no
more search..... but did not have the sound that indicate no next search

result.


Do anyone  has any idea about how to fix this?


Thanks,

William














Re: NVDA and Notepad ++ search

William
 

Well the search function of notepad ++ is so powerful that nvda search function cannot substitute.


Sylvie Duchateau 於 13/11/2020 23:35 寫道:

Hello,
I just tested with NVDA and another screen reader.
I had a document with two occurrences of the same word.
Pressing f3 brings me to the second occurrence. But it does not indicate that I changed the place in the document. So to be sure, I press escape after the result is displayed.
With the other screen reader the line where the word is located is displayed, so it is easier to understand that you reached another result.
Pressing escape is also helpful.
Otherwise, have you tried the NVDA search function : nvda+ctrl+F, then NVDA+F3 to search for the next occurrence ? It seems to work here.
But I still have to press escape at the end.
Sylvie
-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Gene via groups.io
Envoyé : vendredi 13 novembre 2020 16:02
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] NVDA and Notepad ++ search

No, but I doubt this is an NVDA problem. Its probably a Notepad problem since that is a Notepad command. You can check this by testing with another screen-reader.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: William Wong
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 7:24 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Notepad ++ search

I am running the latest stable version 7.9.1

1. I use ctrl f to search for something, and I know that that part of text exist more than one time in that document.

2. then I press F3 to jump to next result

3. NVDA said no more search result in this direction, but actually the focus has already jump to the new line that matches the search keyword

4. I try pressing ctrl home and start from the very begining, pressing
F3 do also speak no more search ....

I jump to end by ctrl End, then I press F3, NVDA just say the same, no more search..... but did not have the sound that indicate no next search

result.


Do anyone has any idea about how to fix this?


Thanks,

William
















Re: NVDA and Notepad ++ search

William
 

Gene,

I have just tried using Narrator but Narrator seemed unable to navigate within the document area of Notepad ++

I do not have another screen reader except Narrator.... I cannot try this with another one.

Can any one else confirm this as a nvda bug or notepad ++ bug?

Thanks.

Gene 於 13/11/2020 23:02 寫道:

No, but I doubt this is an NVDA problem.  Its probably a Notepad problem since that is a Notepad command.  You can check this by testing with another screen-reader.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: William Wong
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 7:24 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Notepad ++ search

I am running the latest stable version 7.9.1

1. I use ctrl f to search for something, and I know that that part of
text exist more than one time in that document.

2. then I press F3 to jump to next result

3. NVDA said no more search result in this direction, but actually the
focus has already jump to the new line that matches the search keyword

4. I try pressing ctrl home and start from the very begining, pressing
F3 do also speak no more search ....

I jump to end by ctrl End, then I press F3, NVDA just say the same, no
more search..... but did not have the sound that indicate no next search

result.


Do anyone  has any idea about how to fix this?


Thanks,

William











Re: trouble switching to basic mode in Gmail

Arlene
 

I’m using Chrome right now. Been using it since I got this windows ten box.  Gmail works better with it.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Kerryn Gunness via groups.io
Sent: November 13, 2020 1:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble switching to basic mode in Gmail

 

it is best with chrome

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Dan Beaver

Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 2:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble switching to basic mode in Gmail

 

Yep, turning browse mode off does indeed let me see the button.  However, in Firefox it takes quite a few shift-tabs to get to it.  It isn't very convenient at all.

 

I appreciate your help though. 

 

Sure wish I could turn it on permanently though.

 

Dan Beaver

On 11/13/2020 12:31 PM, Gene wrote:

I said that the button is at the top of the page.  At times, you won't see something in browse mode or the virtual pc cursor, whatever your browser calls it.  Go to the top of the page, turn it off, and shift tab two or three times.  You will see the button.

If you don't see something you should and its something you can tab to like an edit field, a button, etc. turn off the virtual pc cursor or browse mode and look

Gene
----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 10:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble switching to basic mode in Gmail



Using Firefox I do not see the button/link at all.  Even if I do a screen search it doesn't come up with a hit.




I used to have basic mode as my default before I did this clean up activity but now it always comes up in standard mode.  I thought there was a choice in settings for making it always basic mode but I have searched through settings and can't find that either.




When I did a google search I found a page that talks about it but only gives 2 links, one for using standard mode and the other for using basic mode.  It doesn't save this change at all, you have to use them every time if you go to that page.




This is getting super frustrating.




Thanks.




Dan Beaver


On 11/13/2020 10:10 AM, Gene wrote:
It is at the very top of the page, the first line.  At least that's where I see a button that says Basic HTML View using Chrome.  My experience, however, is that this button doesn't work reliably to change the view when you open the web page again.  If I switch to standard view, I have to press the button every time I open the web page.  I don't know if others have that experience and I think I've seen instances where that isn't necessary, but you may find it so, based on my experience.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble switching to basic mode in Gmail
This is getting super frustrating.





Thanks.




Dan Beaver


Once I had that problem and I found the button to switch by pressing
tab+space bar and then tab or shift+tab to find the button to switch
back to  basic html.

On 11/13/20, Dan Beaver mailto:dbeaver888@... wrote:
I switched to standard mode so I could try to delete thousands of old
emails.  Once I was done with that I tried to switch back to basic mode but
couldn't find the place to do so.  How do we do this using NVDA?  There
doesn't seem to be anything that NVDA can see to do this.


Thanks.


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Re: Screen Capture with NVDA

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Chris,

 

I appreciate your response. I see that I have to open an app like Paint and save the image from the clipboard into a paint document.

 

Your prompting was very helpful.

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via groups.io
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 5:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Capture with NVDA

 

Same again , windows+print screen keys together

Saves the screenshot in your pictures /screenshots folder

 

 

From: Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: 13 November 2020 17:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Screen Capture with NVDA

 

Hi,

 

I have been asked to share my screen using windows 10 and NVDA. How can I do that?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: trouble switching to basic mode in Gmail

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 


it is best with chrome
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble switching to basic mode in Gmail

Yep, turning browse mode off does indeed let me see the button.  However, in Firefox it takes quite a few shift-tabs to get to it.  It isn't very convenient at all.


I appreciate your help though. 


Sure wish I could turn it on permanently though.


Dan Beaver

On 11/13/2020 12:31 PM, Gene wrote:
I said that the button is at the top of the page.  At times, you won't see something in browse mode or the virtual pc cursor, whatever your browser calls it.  Go to the top of the page, turn it off, and shift tab two or three times.  You will see the button.

If you don't see something you should and its something you can tab to like an edit field, a button, etc. turn off the virtual pc cursor or browse mode and look

Gene
----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 10:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble switching to basic mode in Gmail



Using Firefox I do not see the button/link at all.  Even if I do a screen search it doesn't come up with a hit.




I used to have basic mode as my default before I did this clean up activity but now it always comes up in standard mode.  I thought there was a choice in settings for making it always basic mode but I have searched through settings and can't find that either.




When I did a google search I found a page that talks about it but only gives 2 links, one for using standard mode and the other for using basic mode.  It doesn't save this change at all, you have to use them every time if you go to that page.




This is getting super frustrating.




Thanks.




Dan Beaver


On 11/13/2020 10:10 AM, Gene wrote:
It is at the very top of the page, the first line.  At least that's where I see a button that says Basic HTML View using Chrome.  My experience, however, is that this button doesn't work reliably to change the view when you open the web page again.  If I switch to standard view, I have to press the button every time I open the web page.  I don't know if others have that experience and I think I've seen instances where that isn't necessary, but you may find it so, based on my experience.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Nevzat Adil
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble switching to basic mode in Gmail
This is getting super frustrating.





Thanks.




Dan Beaver


Once I had that problem and I found the button to switch by pressing
tab+space bar and then tab or shift+tab to find the button to switch
back to  basic html.

On 11/13/20, Dan Beaver mailto:dbeaver888@... wrote:
I switched to standard mode so I could try to delete thousands of old
emails.  Once I was done with that I tried to switch back to basic mode but
couldn't find the place to do so.  How do we do this using NVDA?  There
doesn't seem to be anything that NVDA can see to do this.


Thanks.



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Re: trouble switching to basic mode in Gmail

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I had the same problem after my service provider migrated their service over to the Google platform, even after I'd activated the "Set Basic HTML as default" link.  I'm using Microsoft Edge.  I talked to my service provider's Technical Support department, and they sent me a link that tells the server to load Basic HTML as the default.  I've posted it below my name.  I hope this helps.

Louise

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/

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