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Re: Using Google Voice Webpage with NVDA

Jackie
 

Age is a number. I lost a gentleman last year who I called my adoptive
dad. He was 96, & he had a blog on my server for around 8 years at the
time of his death, so he was already well into his 80's at that time.
& sharp as a razor! Yeah--I helped him w/blog administration, but the
content was all his. I miss him terribly.

The real trick to doing GV, once you get it set up, is to just know to
press enter on the recipient combo box when sending a msg. As always
on pages like that, virtual find is your friend, as is the 's'
(separator) key.

You have my private email as well if you feel you want to ask
questions or share info that you're not comforttable with on list.
I'll certainly help if I can.

On 11/15/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
Jackie,

Thanks for this.  I'll play with it some over the coming days.  Right now
I'm doing this so I can tutor a dear friend of mine who's been using NVDA
(and JAWS before that) for decades now but for whom Google Voice is a new
thing.  Even though she's in her 80s, she's going strong, and these days is
doing a lot of work via phone that requires her to join various phone
conferences.  It is so much easier not to have to literally hold a phone
while working and also not to have to punch in numbers like the phone
numbers and conference access codes, but just to copy and paste them.

And, believe me, I know just exactly where you're coming from with regard to
the brain not having fully engaged without it's morning dose of coffee (and
morning can be any time of morning).
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Re: Translating addons

Cristina Ebetiuc
 

Thank you Joseph!

 

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Von: Joseph Lee
Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. November 2020 20:15
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Translating addons

 

Hi,

And such a forum exists:

https://groups.io/g/nvda-translations

You don’t send your translations directly to add-on authors (by the way, NVDA people use Gettext, so translators can use Poedit and other .po file editors), although that could change later (right now translations workflow (not covered here) are going through a major reimagination).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 10:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Translating addons

 

You would be better off contacting the developers and/or maintainers of a specific add-on in regard to collaborating with them to create a translation to be used with that software.

You are not likely to need to know how to program, as most situations where someone translates that's precisely what they're doing.  The developer then tucks those translations in to the structure that allows the end user to select a language (if the code was written with this idea in mind, or using templates with this idea in mind).

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Re: Translating addons

 

Hi,

And such a forum exists:

https://groups.io/g/nvda-translations

You don’t send your translations directly to add-on authors (by the way, NVDA people use Gettext, so translators can use Poedit and other .po file editors), although that could change later (right now translations workflow (not covered here) are going through a major reimagination).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 10:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Translating addons

 

You would be better off contacting the developers and/or maintainers of a specific add-on in regard to collaborating with them to create a translation to be used with that software.

You are not likely to need to know how to program, as most situations where someone translates that's precisely what they're doing.  The developer then tucks those translations in to the structure that allows the end user to select a language (if the code was written with this idea in mind, or using templates with this idea in mind).

--

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Re: Translating addons

Cristina Ebetiuc
 

Thank you. 😊

 

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Von: Brian Vogel
Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. November 2020 19:23
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: Re: [nvda] Translating addons

 

You would be better off contacting the developers and/or maintainers of a specific add-on in regard to collaborating with them to create a translation to be used with that software.

You are not likely to need to know how to program, as most situations where someone translates that's precisely what they're doing.  The developer then tucks those translations in to the structure that allows the end user to select a language (if the code was written with this idea in mind, or using templates with this idea in mind).

--

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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 

 


Re: Translating addons

 

You would be better off contacting the developers and/or maintainers of a specific add-on in regard to collaborating with them to create a translation to be used with that software.

You are not likely to need to know how to program, as most situations where someone translates that's precisely what they're doing.  The developer then tucks those translations in to the structure that allows the end user to select a language (if the code was written with this idea in mind, or using templates with this idea in mind).

--

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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Translating addons

Cristina Ebetiuc
 

Hi everybody

I would have some Questions regarding translating addons:

  1. Do I Need to know how to Programm in oder to translate addons?
  2. How can I translate addons? Could you please give me a detailed Explanation?

I am Looking foreward to receiving your answers

 

 

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Re: Using Google Voice Webpage with NVDA

 

Jackie,

         Thanks for this.  I'll play with it some over the coming days.  Right now I'm doing this so I can tutor a dear friend of mine who's been using NVDA (and JAWS before that) for decades now but for whom Google Voice is a new thing.  Even though she's in her 80s, she's going strong, and these days is doing a lot of work via phone that requires her to join various phone conferences.  It is so much easier not to have to literally hold a phone while working and also not to have to punch in numbers like the phone numbers and conference access codes, but just to copy and paste them.

          And, believe me, I know just exactly where you're coming from with regard to the brain not having fully engaged without it's morning dose of coffee (and morning can be any time of morning).
--

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        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: labeling graphics?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Submit a suggestion over github, I doubt it will pass as AI costs money, which most of us do not have.

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On 15 Nov 2020, at 7:45, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I posted two or three issues already over the past several years and nothing has been done about adding a graphics labeler or an object labeler or a frames manager to NVDA for making an ad on to do so. I think that NVDA should start to get away from scripting, and start using artificial intelligence and neural engine technology such as is used in the new voiceover for iOS 14. That way NVDA could start to read more things automatically and would rely less on scripting which can easily break when an application version changes The only other screen meter that I know of which used a primitive kind of artificial intelligence to read the screen in which not which did not rely on scripts was ASAP, automatic screen access program for Microsoft DOS made by micro talk. that screen reader was discontinued at around the year 2000 because windows took over. But for its time it was the best screen reader for DOS, or the disk operating system operating system which was available and which was ever made. I hope soon that somebody will at least make an ad on for NVDA which will use the free tensorflow neural Engine technology to allow NVDA to intelligently read the screen even if buttons and other controls may not be accessible in the standard way using standard accessibility measures. Voiceover for iOS can do this even if buttons and other objects are directly drawn onto the screen it can still identify them using artificial intelligence technology. It is amazing! I hope NVDA could do something similar in the future.


Re: I Can No longer Install NVDA On My computer

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hi all.

When you press the button continue, is possible that Windows show the account user control. Press alt+y and after NVDA go to install, but if you don’t press alt+y in 30 seconds NVDA no install.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual, con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musician (pianist) and also help to the blind people with the use of screen readers and technology.

Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

Certified expert in NVDA

 

De: Ibrahim Ajayi
Enviado: domingo, 15 de noviembre de 2020 7:50
Para: nvda@groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] I Can No longer Install NVDA On My computer

 

Hello:

I am now finding it impossible to install the NVDA screen reader on my

computer.

I installed the latest version of the program when I was prompted to

do that after it was released. But unfortunately, the program appeared

not to be working very well, so I decided to remove it and re-install

it.

But the re-installation was unsuccessful. Each time I tried, I was

given an error message saying that the installation of NVDA failed.

I even attempted re-installing an older version, but I got the same

error message.

In the course of installation, I'm made to understand that AdOns will

be uninstalled, and I checked the box saying that I understand that.

I use a Windows7-32 coomputer.

So, what exactly has gone wrong.

Hope to get some help.

I am Ibrahim Ajayi.

 

 

 

 

 


Microsoft OneCore Voices and NVDA

George McCoy
 

I am running NVDA 2020.3 and windows 10 20H2. I have a number of 1-core voices That I added several versions of windows ago. These include UK english, Canadian english, Irish english and Indian english. I can switch to any of the voices with Narrator.  I can see all the voices in settings>time and language>speech, but NvDA shows only the three Microsoft voices, Mark, Sera and David.

What do I have to do to get NvDA to allow me to switch to the other voices on my system?


Thanks,

George


Re: Using Google Voice Webpage with NVDA

Jackie
 

Brian V, the actions you can take on the GV page depend on which tab
is selected, as you well understand. NVDA does speak the state of the
tabs, so at any time you know which tab is selected. Changing the
selection is as easy as pressing the spacebar on the tab you wish
selected. Since these aren't, as you say, tabs in the "traditional"
sense, quick nav doesn't work, but I've never seen quick nav work
w/tabs anyway.

Basically, c acts as a combo box either when you're searching or
entering recipient phone numbers. & when finished entering a number,
press enter on it to select your choice, else it goes away. So tabs on
which you can't enter a phone number, such as voice mails, only allow
c to act as a combo box.

The s (for separator) key does work quite well for quickly navigating
between the various parts of the page.

Truthfully, I don't think c works at all as a call shortcut key unless
you use insert 2 to pass it thru. But s gets you to the call panel
quickly, so, really, there's not much need of it.

If that doesn't answer your questions, please ask again, & maybe I'll
get it right the next time. I haven't had coffee yet, so take this
w/whatever amount of salt you deem appropriate, understanding my need
for coffee to engage what little brain I have left is extremely high.

Thanks for the work you do on this list & for your work outside it
w/adaptive tech.

On 11/14/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
First, if you are not already a Google Voice user and have a Google Voice
phone number, feel free to mute this topic almost immediately.  What I am
about to ask is not about how to use Google Voice, per se, because I do so
all the time, but about getting NVDA to "play nice," if possible, with the
page for one's Google Voice calling/texting/voicemail as well as the two
tabs for archiving and reporting spam.

If I go through the page with NVDA active, via point and click, when I land
on the control for "Call" it says, "Call tab selected,"  Note, this is not a
browser tab, nor is it presented in the way that tabs are conventionally
presented.  I have yet to find a way to do a quick navigation to any of
them, though brute force tabbing (or shift+tabbing) always ends up with
these controls as part of the traversal.

I also have not figured out, exactly, when it is that NVDA is going to
handle the C keyboard shortcut for looking for a combo box versus passing it
to Google Voice as a shortcut for "make a call," which it is when Google
Voice has control.  Depending on where I have focus on the screen, it
sometimes acts as a quick navigation shortcut and others as a Google Voice
keyboard shortcut.  And none of these times is when I'm in an edit box,
which behaves as I'd expect.

If anyone has experience using Google Voice via the webpage with NVDA who
can shed some light about accessing it with NVDA, would you please share?
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Re: labeling graphics?

Josh Kennedy
 

I posted two or three issues already over the past several years and nothing has been done about adding a graphics labeler or an object labeler or a frames manager to NVDA for making an ad on to do so. I think that NVDA should start to get away from scripting, and start using artificial intelligence and neural engine technology such as is used in the new voiceover for iOS 14. That way NVDA could start to read more things automatically and would rely less on scripting which can easily break when an application version changes The only other screen meter that I know of which used a primitive kind of artificial intelligence to read the screen in which not which did not rely on scripts was ASAP, automatic screen access program for Microsoft DOS made by micro talk. that screen reader was discontinued at around the year 2000 because windows took over. But for its time it was the best screen reader for DOS, or the disk operating system operating system which was available and which was ever made. I hope soon that somebody will at least make an ad on for NVDA which will use the free tensorflow neural Engine technology to allow NVDA to intelligently read the screen even if buttons and other controls may not be accessible in the standard way using standard accessibility measures. Voiceover for iOS can do this even if buttons and other objects are directly drawn onto the screen it can still identify them using artificial intelligence technology. It is amazing! I hope NVDA could do something similar in the future.


I Can No longer Install NVDA On My computer

Ibrahim Ajayi
 

Hello:
I am now finding it impossible to install the NVDA screen reader on my
computer.
I installed the latest version of the program when I was prompted to
do that after it was released. But unfortunately, the program appeared
not to be working very well, so I decided to remove it and re-install
it.
But the re-installation was unsuccessful. Each time I tried, I was
given an error message saying that the installation of NVDA failed.
I even attempted re-installing an older version, but I got the same
error message.
In the course of installation, I'm made to understand that AdOns will
be uninstalled, and I checked the box saying that I understand that.
I use a Windows7-32 coomputer.
So, what exactly has gone wrong.
Hope to get some help.
I am Ibrahim Ajayi.


Re: Navigation between windows stops when you press the Windows key plus a number combination.

Daniele Casarola
 

Thanks for your answers.

Yes, Robert Doc Wright godfearer, it works for me too, but only at the beginning of a working day.

After some hours I don't know why I always have the problem that the window is not immediatly opened but I have to use the space bar to confirm.

I can add also that in the same moment I can't open directly the Window using the combination "window + number", I also cannot stop the voice using the CTRL key.

So navigation between windows becomes a bit uncomfrotable.

Tha'ts all.

Of course ALT Tab works, but it is not the faster way to reach immediatly the window you want, especially when a lot of windows of different programs are opened.

The best way is Windows key plus a number.

Thanks again for any suggestion.


Re: NVDA and Notepad ++ search

William
 

I feel sorry, I though the first email was not sent due to network connection issue, then I resend it, but seemed that both have been sent, I am sorry for sending two of the same email.

William 威 於 15/11/2020 16:52 寫道:

Hi,

Well, I am puzzling why this problem to my pc.

I am using 64bit of notepad++


Brian Vogel 於 14/11/2020 12:20 寫道:
William,

            Are you running the 32-bit or 64-bit version of Notepad++?

            I am not having the issue you describe.  I just copied and pasted a huge document where the word "using" occurs 27 times.  If I do an Notepad++ search via CTRL+F, I land on the first occurrence of that word and NVDA announces "Using, selected."  Then I close the Find dialog and continue using F3, and on each instance it lands on NVDA says, "Using, selected, unselected."  I am not quite sure why that's how it's phrasing it, but I have a guess.  The instances are highlighted, much like they are selected, but they're not.  I think NVDA's not quite certain initially exactly what is going on, but figures out the correct state pretty quickly.  There is about a one second beat between the "Using, selected," and the following announcement, "unselected."  I did not keep going enough to make the Notepad++ find function wrap, which it's set to do by default after the last instance of something found has been found and you hit F3 immediately afterward.

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Re: NVDA and Notepad ++ search

William
 

Hi,

Well, I am puzzling why this problem to my pc.

I am using 64bit of notepad++


Brian Vogel 於 14/11/2020 12:20 寫道:

William,

            Are you running the 32-bit or 64-bit version of Notepad++?

            I am not having the issue you describe.  I just copied and pasted a huge document where the word "using" occurs 27 times.  If I do an Notepad++ search via CTRL+F, I land on the first occurrence of that word and NVDA announces "Using, selected."  Then I close the Find dialog and continue using F3, and on each instance it lands on NVDA says, "Using, selected, unselected."  I am not quite sure why that's how it's phrasing it, but I have a guess.  The instances are highlighted, much like they are selected, but they're not.  I think NVDA's not quite certain initially exactly what is going on, but figures out the correct state pretty quickly.  There is about a one second beat between the "Using, selected," and the following announcement, "unselected."  I did not keep going enough to make the Notepad++ find function wrap, which it's set to do by default after the last instance of something found has been found and you hit F3 immediately afterward.

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log submission module

 

Hi joseph.

Wander if we have logs for various events if there should be some addon to handle submition of logs to the appropriate place depending on what the issue is about.

I wander if you could do this and things like bug reports for not just nvda but other things from an app that interfaces with github.

Its just a thought.

If I have a problem, and its got a log I will obviously try to submit the log to the appropriate person or github but what if I don't know where to put it.

I will then submit the log via a dropbox link here because I have no idea.

Wander if there can or is some sort of program to do this allready to a central location that could interface with github since thats where everything is.

I have no doubt one actually exists but I have never  actively searched for this.



On 15/11/2020 11:43 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
Hello All,

          Even though the subject says, "Please," this is really not a request, but a command.  In an Admin Notice from earlier this year (List Updates, Please Read), Nimer Jaber, NVDA Group Owner, stated explicitly:

  • Speaking of logs, we should avoid sending long logs to this list.
    • Logs may contain personal information to your system, your set-up, or possibly keystrokes you press, etc.
    • It is not expected that users on this list will know how to read logs, or that they will dissect those logs for you to determine the issue. Please reach out to NVAccess directly. No doubt there is already a process in place for this, however we shouldn't ask users to post logs to this list.

I'm now going beyond that, and saying, "Don't, really don't, ever post full logs or log segments to this group."

It's fine to ask for help and indicate that you have a log or log segment available for review to anyone who requests it.  And our regulars who are capable of dissecting logs now routinely ask that those be delivered to them privately via e-mail (typically), or some other method out of the public view.

Just don't post 'em here!
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locked Re: Is this the end of PayPal for nvda?

 

First,  I thank all for their contributions in checking what happens to them.  I did the same, and did not get a captcha.  I have never figured out how sites that don't use them on each and every log in, and there are many, decide when they're going to throw one up.  There's got to be some mystery criteria.

All of the above being said, Gene is correct that Captchas never have been, and never will be, what the NVDA Group is about.  They, and pretty much anything related to them, should be discussed on the Chat Subgroup, not the main group.  This topic is now locked.
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locked Re: Is this the end of PayPal for nvda?

Chris Smart
 

Same here. Use the audio version.



On 2020-11-14 8:58 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I had no issues. I got the audio captcha, and it was a bunch of words from a movie, or talkshow. I was able to fill it out fine just today.

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On 14 Nov 2020, at 17:19, Roger Stewart wrote:

Just now, I tried to log into my PayPal account.  The dang thinghy put in a             CAPTCHA.  There was an audio but I tried doing that several times with no results.  I finally had to ask my sighted friend to enter it for me.  What was going on is there was a mixture of numbers and letters--this is all fine but some of the letters are upper case and some are lower case and there is no way to tell them apart in the audio challenge.  This isn't accessible at all.  If this continues, I'll have no choice except to cancel my PayPal account.  I hope nvda has another way for us to donate.

:(

Roger


locked Re: Is this the end of PayPal for nvda?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I had no issues. I got the audio captcha, and it was a bunch of words from a movie, or talkshow. I was able to fill it out fine just today.

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On 14 Nov 2020, at 17:19, Roger Stewart wrote:

Just now, I tried to log into my PayPal account.  The dang thinghy put in a             CAPTCHA.  There was an audio but I tried doing that several times with no results.  I finally had to ask my sighted friend to enter it for me.  What was going on is there was a mixture of numbers and letters--this is all fine but some of the letters are upper case and some are lower case and there is no way to tell them apart in the audio challenge.  This isn't accessible at all.  If this continues, I'll have no choice except to cancel my PayPal account.  I hope nvda has another way for us to donate.

:(

Roger

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