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Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

Blaster
 

Brian,

Since NVDA was most likely influenced in some way by System Access I
thought I'd post this to highlight my sadness for the loss of SA.

This was taken from a blog in 2010:

"Let's refresh our memories on what we have already done:
1. Serotek was the first to offer a full-featured accessibility
solution that does not require administrator rights to provide speech
and braille access.
2. Serotek was the first to provide non-proprietary remote access
speech solutions for personal and commercial environments that even
work with our competition.
3. Serotek was the first to provide full-featured access to 64-bit Windows.
4. Serotek was the first to provide direct support for Braille devices
that comply with the Human Interface Device standard, allowing a user
to walk up to any Windows computer and have speech and Braille access
without installing any drivers.
5. Serotek was the first (and is still the only,) completely web based
access solution to speech and braille with satogo."

Take care,
Blaster

On 11/16/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 09:08 AM, Blaster wrote:


System Access going off the market is a very sad turn of events, indeed.
-
Sad, perhaps, but there is only so much room in niche markets in
particular. This is a screen reader I'd never even heard of until this
particular topic came up.

And I expect as Narrator continues to mature that other very small players
will be exiting the stage, if any are left.

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something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you
have a legal mind.*

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Re: NVDA stops speaking in MS-Office & While Web Browsing

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Which synth package are you using?


I think at one time I used to have speech platform voices stop on some pages etc then had to start them again. But that was a long time ago and am using other synths packages now.


Gene nz


On 17/11/2020 5:22 am, Lauren Burger wrote:
Hello. My name is Lauren Burger. I use NVDA 2020.3 and the latest version of Windows 10.  I notice that a lot of times, when I am in a webpage or Office applications, NVDA stops speaking. What do I do? Please let me know. Thank you for your assistance.


Re: labeling graphics?

Ann Byrne
 

But making changes isn't easy. NVDA does a lot of awesome things. Be patient with the programmers. If it were easily doable, I would do it.

At 09:47 AM 11/16/2020, you wrote:
actually artificial intelligence technology is free and I also think it's open source unless I am wrong. Particularly tensorflow which by default uses python.


Re: Microsoft OneCore Voices and NVDA

George McCoy
 

Thank you sir. I added the voices even though they appeared in the voices list for Narrator and that did the trick after a restart of NVDA.


George

On 11/15/2020 9:43 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Sometimes Windows does funny things when it updates.  If you go to the languages in the "languages" screen, can you update them?  Sometimes I think it has an older version of a language, which can cause problems - I've seen issues where this has caused problems with the language a user has NVDA set to.  I'm not sure if you can "update" the voice or the language, or at worst if you remove a language and add it back it should work.

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 3:11 AM George McCoy <slr1bpz@...> wrote:
I am running NVDA 2020.3 and windows 10 20H2. I have a number of 1-core
voices That I added several versions of windows ago. These include UK
english, Canadian english, Irish english and Indian english. I can
switch to any of the voices with Narrator.  I can see all the voices in
settings>time and language>speech, but NvDA shows only the three
Microsoft voices, Mark, Sera and David.

What do I have to do to get NvDA to allow me to switch to the other
voices on my system?


Thanks,

George








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Re: NVDA stops speaking in MS-Office & While Web Browsing

 

In addition to what Carlos mentioned about starting NVDA with add-ons disabled to determine whether an add-on could be triggering your problem, it also never hurts to run the COM Registration Fixing Tool (NVDA+N,T,R,Enter).
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        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: NVDA and the possibility to skip graphics on the web

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Yes, define a sayAll profile with graphics set to off in the documents settings(control-NVDA-D)

Cheers,

  Ralf

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristina Ebetiuc
Sent: Montag, 16. November 2020 17:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and the possibility to skip graphics on the web

 

Hi again

Is there a possibility to skip graphics while saying all with NVDA or reading a text on the web?

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 


Re: NVDA stops speaking in MS-Office & While Web Browsing

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hi all.

What is the version of Microsoft Office? The browsers are updated? You test with the add-ons disabled?

If in the category general of the options dialog of NVDA, if you have display options to exit enabled, press NVDA+q, and choose restart with add-ons disabled.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual, con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musician (pianist) and also help to the blind people with the use of screen readers and technology.

Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

Certified expert in NVDA

 

De: Lauren Burger
Enviado: lunes, 16 de noviembre de 2020 11:41
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] NVDA stops speaking in MS-Office & While Web Browsing

 

Hello. My name is Lauren Burger. I use NVDA 2020.3 and the latest version of Windows 10.  I notice that a lot of times, when I am in a webpage or Office applications, NVDA stops speaking. What do I do? Please let me know. Thank you for your assistance.

 


Re: NVDA and the possibility to skip graphics on the web

 

There almost certainly is some way in NVDA settings, but what you're looking to achieve may be easier via your web browser.  Which one (or ones) are you using?

If it's any one of the Chromium-based browsers there is a great extension, Reader Mode, that "clears all the clutter" paring the page down to text with a single click (by default, anyway, you can customize).  This is often far easier to use than changing screen reader settings that then need to be unset on various occasions.
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: NVDA and the possibility to skip graphics on the web

CARLOS-ESTEBAN <carlosestebanpianista@...>
 

Hi all.

You can press NVDA+control+D and disable graphics. NVDA only read the description of graphics that have it with this checkbox disabled.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Músico (pianista) y ayuda a usuarios ciegos y con discapacidad visual, con el uso de lectores de pantalla y tecnología.

Experto certificado en el lector de pantalla NVDA.

 

Musician (pianist) and also help to the blind people with the use of screen readers and technology.

Certified expert in the screen reader NVDA.

Certified expert in NVDA

 

De: Cristina Ebetiuc
Enviado: lunes, 16 de noviembre de 2020 11:26
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] NVDA and the possibility to skip graphics on the web

 

Hi again

Is there a possibility to skip graphics while saying all with NVDA or reading a text on the web?

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 

 


NVDA stops speaking in MS-Office & While Web Browsing

Lauren Burger
 

Hello. My name is Lauren Burger. I use NVDA 2020.3 and the latest version of Windows 10.  I notice that a lot of times, when I am in a webpage or Office applications, NVDA stops speaking. What do I do? Please let me know. Thank you for your assistance.


NVDA and the possibility to skip graphics on the web

Cristina Ebetiuc <ebetiucristina@...>
 

Hi again

Is there a possibility to skip graphics while saying all with NVDA or reading a text on the web?

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 


Problems with audio themes

Cristina Ebetiuc <ebetiucristina@...>
 

Hi and a good afternoon!

Audio themes Plays almost every Sound but there are sounds like Website loading or notifications and These do not Play. Why is that so? Is this because it is in Beta?

thanks

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 


Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

 

On Sun, Nov 15, 2020 at 09:09 PM, Alex Kenny wrote:
You can jump to the next and previous messages using the S and Shift+S quick navigation keys. I do agree that headings would be ideal, however.
-
Thanks for that, as I can now update a couple of tutorials.  NVDA "sees" a layout table on these pages and you can use table navigation commands if you're in a Chromium-based browser, but not under Firefox.  The use of S and SHIFT+S is an excellent solution.

I was surprised when headings weren't used, but as long as a standard, easily navigable structure is, it'll work.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

 

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 09:08 AM, Blaster wrote:
System Access going off the market is a very sad turn of events, indeed.
-
Sad, perhaps, but there is only so much room in niche markets in particular.  This is a screen reader I'd never even heard of until this particular topic came up.

And I expect as Narrator continues to mature that other very small players will be exiting the stage, if any are left.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: labeling graphics?

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

actually artificial intelligence technology is free and I also think it's open source unless I am wrong. Particularly tensorflow which by default uses python.


Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

Blaster
 

Gene, Mike Calvo has stated he will no longer be selling or
maintaining the screen reader, System Access. The System Access
technology will still be available within the self voicing DocuScan
software and potentially some other new products, more info is coming
soon, however he has officially declared System Access dead as of the
end of this year. The SA to Go website is on the chopping block as
well as Mr. Calvo is rolling out a new set of programs that will also
remodel the Sero online family of services.

Here's a look at one of his newest projects,

https://pneumasolutions.com/

System Access going off the market is a very sad turn of events, indeed.

Blaster


Re: Cannot edit comments in Word with NVDA #advisory

Rowen Cary
 

Hi, Pranav,
thank you for your reply.
I did this before,
Editing the first and second comments did not encounter any problems, But they cannot be edited later. NVDA announced the "toolbar".


Re: Microsoft OneCore Voices and NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Sometimes Windows does funny things when it updates.  If you go to the languages in the "languages" screen, can you update them?  Sometimes I think it has an older version of a language, which can cause problems - I've seen issues where this has caused problems with the language a user has NVDA set to.  I'm not sure if you can "update" the voice or the language, or at worst if you remove a language and add it back it should work.


On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 3:11 AM George McCoy <slr1bpz@...> wrote:
I am running NVDA 2020.3 and windows 10 20H2. I have a number of 1-core
voices That I added several versions of windows ago. These include UK
english, Canadian english, Irish english and Indian english. I can
switch to any of the voices with Narrator.  I can see all the voices in
settings>time and language>speech, but NvDA shows only the three
Microsoft voices, Mark, Sera and David.

What do I have to do to get NvDA to allow me to switch to the other
voices on my system?


Thanks,

George








--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: labeling graphics?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


What is the difference between say the graphics labeler and this feature in golden cursor. I think some one called it a hot spot and If I remember right you could cloclick on a spot and label it then go back to it but you had to bring it up like a elements list if you could not tab to it.


The part from golden cursor it can do other stuff as well.


Commands are below.


• Control+NVDA+L: view saved mouse positions for an application if any.
• Shift+NVDA+l: save a tag or a label for the current mouse position in the currently focused


so in this case it moves the mouse to the area that was labled?


the way I under stand a graphics labeler is button is un labled you label it and when you say tab it is then read out but not sure with the golden cursor way.


Gene nz



On 16/11/2020 11:11 am, Luke Robinett wrote:
it has been requested and shut down many times. For some reason the developer seem to think it’s impossible to add this functionality to NVDA, even though many other screen readers have had graphics labeling for years. Kind of annoying but what can you do?

On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:08 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:



Submit a suggestion over github, I doubt it will pass as AI costs money, which most of us do not have.

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On 15 Nov 2020, at 7:45, Josh Kennedy wrote:

I posted two or three issues already over the past several years and nothing has been done about adding a graphics labeler or an object labeler or a frames manager to NVDA for making an ad on to do so. I think that NVDA should start to get away from scripting, and start using artificial intelligence and neural engine technology such as is used in the new voiceover for iOS 14. That way NVDA could start to read more things automatically and would rely less on scripting which can easily break when an application version changes The only other screen meter that I know of which used a primitive kind of artificial intelligence to read the screen in which not which did not rely on scripts was ASAP, automatic screen access program for Microsoft DOS made by micro talk. that screen reader was discontinued at around the year 2000 because windows took over. But for its time it was the best screen reader for DOS, or the disk operating system operating system which was available and which was ever made. I hope soon that somebody will at least make an ad on for NVDA which will use the free tensorflow neural Engine technology to allow NVDA to intelligently read the screen even if buttons and other controls may not be accessible in the standard way using standard accessibility measures. Voiceover for iOS can do this even if buttons and other objects are directly drawn onto the screen it can still identify them using artificial intelligence technology. It is amazing! I hope NVDA could do something similar in the future.


Re: Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you saying that the System access to go web site will be taken down? I don't know how much it costs, but you could buy System Access if you want it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Blaster
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 7:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO Discussion Lists

The screen reader "System Access" is coming to an end on December 31st
of this year, Ironically, It navigates message to message using the
search by header command flawlessly, I will miss this screen reader.
Since this is possible, perhaps a NVDA kung fu code master could
create an addon?

Hinty, hint, hint hint…


Blaster


On 11/15/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you looked for text that repeats at the end of each message before a
new one begins? There may be something you can search for that is reliable.

I haven't used the archives much but that is often what I look for in such
situations.

I don't have much opinions about headings, I'd have to look at the page
layout to see if something looks useful enough to be a possibly desirable
way to move.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: David Kingsbury
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2020 3:57 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Use of Headings, or Rather Lack Thereof, in Groups.IO
Discussion Lists



Hi all,



I have come to really value the various Groups.IO lists related to
accessibility, including this one. However, one thing that has always irked

me is how clunky and inefficient navigation is on the web pages where you
access discussion strings on individual topics. Other than a single level 4

heading just above the initial question, there is no use of headings for
replies. Appropriate use of headings here would significantly enable more
efficient navigation by screen reader users.



Previously, I had a few workarounds on web pages for reading through
discussions. If using Edge, I could put it in immersive reader view and that

helped. But with the newest version of Windows 10, immersive reader seems to

have disappeared for some pages and remained for others. I even figured out

that I could search for the number sign with Control F and then F3 to get to

the top of each response because each one used to start with a message
number, but no longer. So now, I am stuck endlessly down arrowing through
the discussions. This is a very inefficient way to navigate web pages.



I emailed the Groups. IO tech support people with this concern several
months ago and they never responded. Because I had figured out some personal

workarounds, and this is a free service, so I suppose you get what you pay
for, I never made a second attempt to contact them. But my workarounds no
longer work, and navigation is very tedious.



I am sure that those who run Groups.IO are people of goodwill. I imagine too

that they are unaware that well-placed insertion of headings greatly
facilitates navigation by screen reader users.



So, a couple of questions. Should list administrators contact the Groups.IO

developers with this concern to ask that they make better use of headings on

the web pages? Or if others on this list agree that better use of headings
would greatly improve our ability to use Groups.IO more efficiently, is
there a way we can advocate as a group, versus sending the occasional
solitary email complaint that ultimately goes unanswered?



Ideally, on the web pages, each original question and the responses would be

tagged with a heading. On the daily digest, “New topics” and “new replies”
would both have headings. However, adding headings to the web pages is the
biggest priority.



I want to emphasize that I wouldn’t expend time on this if I didn’t value
the service. It is an excellent resource. But that doesn’t mean there is no

room for improvement.



Thanks to all who support asking that they do something about this. Also,
sorry in advance for any inconvenience to you because I am sending this
message to several lists, so you may see some repetition.



Regards,

David








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