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Re: There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,
What happens when you:
1. Restart with add-ons disabled?
2. Tell NVDA to not accept UIA events from non-focused control? To do this, open NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Advanced/check the first box, then check "Enable selective registration for UI Automation events and property changes". Then click OK and RESTART NVDA.

If NVDA works better after running with add-ons off, chances are that it might be an add-on or two that's not working great with NVDA 2020.3 on your system. If selective UIA event registration helps, then it is an interesting data point for I and other developers to ponder throughout the holidays.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

Hi. The subject says it somewhat but not the whole. I somehow feel that NVDA is not functioning or responding too well, not only with windows 10 itself but with a few apps associated with it. So let's first talk about one of NVDA's most peculiar behaviors.

This is not to say that it is happening on every Windows 10 OS, but it is certainly happening on my 20H2 version of Windows 10.


There are times when NVDA somehow insists on having it full and final
say, so much so that even pressing the Ctrl key won't stop it from
blabbering unnecessarily. This particularly happens when the following
apps are being opened and worked on.

1. Android Studio.

2. Microsoft Visual Studio 2019.

3. the Reaper DAW.

4. Mozilla Thunderbird.

5. Microsoft office, especially with Word.


There is also this tendency to gradually slow down as more and more time
is spent on working on windows, especially when undertaking more
resource intensive work like Music production and programming. It
wasn't like this with early versions.


There are also cases where NVDA and certain Applications don't behave as
expected. I won't go into the mechanics as this is a specific NVDA
list. Suffice it to say that the Reaper DAW that used to be so Pally
with NVDA is not performing as expected, and I don't think it's just
the Osara PlugIn issue either, Osara being the Open Source Access for
the Reaper Application, but perhaps NVDA and Windows 10 may have a say
too. The same is happening with Android Studio. It was a sluggish app
before but still usable. It sometimes slows down to a crawl nowadays,
and only a restart of the program will do.


Now, I am not saying that NVDA is fully culpable, but It could be a
whole series of problems that have cropped up as Windows got to be more
"advanced" and "user friendly". Also, UIA is known to have caused a few
serious accessibility problems, and the need for NVDA to adapt to UIA
bassed apps for accessibility reasons might be problematic as of now.
Reverting to an earlier version of NVDA may indeed cause more of a
problem since I am not sure of the extent to which the MSAA model of
earlier NVDA and Windows versions have been superceeded by the need for
UIA assisted access. So, people who are using their pcs or laptops for
more involved tasks and jobs are in a bit of a no man's land at this time.


Just my two cents worth of concern. Cheers!
There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi.  The subject says it somewhat but not the whole.  I somehow feel that NVDA is not functioning or responding too well, not only with windows 10 itself but with a few apps associated with it.  So let's first talk about one of NVDA's most peculiar behaviors.

This is not to say that it is happening on every Windows 10 OS, but it is certainly happening on my 20H2 version of Windows 10.


There are times when NVDA somehow insists on having it full and final say, so much so that even pressing the Ctrl key won't stop it from blabbering unnecessarily.  This particularly happens when the following apps are being opened and worked on.

1.  Android Studio.

2.  Microsoft Visual Studio 2019.

3.  the Reaper DAW.

4.  Mozilla Thunderbird.

5.  Microsoft office, especially with Word.


There is also this tendency to gradually slow down as more and more time is spent on working on windows, especially when undertaking more resource intensive work like Music production and programming.  It wasn't like this with early versions.


There are also cases where NVDA and certain Applications don't behave as expected.  I won't go into the mechanics as this is a specific NVDA list.  Suffice it to say that the Reaper DAW that used to be so Pally with NVDA is not performing as expected, and I don't think it's just the  Osara PlugIn issue either, Osara being the Open Source Access for the Reaper Application, but perhaps NVDA and Windows 10 may have a say too.  The same is happening with Android Studio.  It was a sluggish app before but still usable.  It sometimes slows down to a crawl nowadays, and only a restart of the program will do.


Now, I am not saying that NVDA is fully culpable, but It could be a whole series of problems that have cropped up as Windows got to be more "advanced" and "user friendly".  Also, UIA is known to have caused a few serious accessibility problems, and the need for NVDA to adapt to UIA bassed apps for accessibility reasons might be problematic as of now.  Reverting to an earlier version of NVDA may indeed cause more of a problem since I am not sure of the extent to which the MSAA model of earlier NVDA and Windows versions have been superceeded by the need for UIA assisted access.  So, people who are using their pcs or laptops for more involved tasks and jobs are in a bit of a no man's land at this time.


Just my two cents worth of concern.  Cheers!
Mouse navigation and Chrome

Tyler Spivey
 

I'm trying to route the mouse in Chrome and am running into issues.

I'm playing incremental games that need mouse hovers to work reliably. NVDA's mouse navigation doesn't work very well.

As a very basic example which requires not too much setup, I can demonstrate this easily enough on Google.

I should be able to search Google, using mouse navigation to click the button. I'm doing the following:
1. Restart NVDA with add-ons disabled.
2. Start Chrome, navigate to google.com.
3. Type test into the search field.
4. Hit f in browse mode until I find the Google Search button.
5. NVDA+numpad / to route the mouse, and click with numpad /.

When I do this, my page doesn't change. NVDA doesn't seem to be clicking the button.

What can I do to make things work better?
Re: Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016

Jackie
 

I find that disabling "live view" in Excel helps a lot. I think it
varies from version to version, but try going to the file menu &
thence to 'options'.

On 11/17/20, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm learning how to use outlook so can't help with that, but your
first issue I have experienced just a few days ago when I was inserting
rows and merging stuff together.

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On 17 Nov 2020, at 17:14, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Hello list,
I've been using NVDA for about 10 years now, but it's really only been
in the last few that it has become an every day use in my life, as
I've primarily been using System Access. However, since that screen
reader's future is uncertain, I want to get a few things with NVDA
fixed. I have two fairly major problems with Office 2016 on Windows 10
and the latest version on NVDA:
1. In Excel, whenever I try to modify a spreadsheet, NVDA stops
reading the document that is in focus. For instance, I like to double
check where I inserted a row. So, I will navigate to the row where I
want to insert, hit my applications key, choose insert from the menu,
and choose "entire row" from the dialog that pops up. On clicking OK,
I am returned to the spreadsheet as expected, but unless I alt-tab
away from and back to the spreadsheet or restart NVDA, it will not
read anything in the spreadsheet. Is there any way to fix this so that
NVDA will continue to read things in spreadsheets after taking such
actions? Note, it does not do this if working in a table within the
spreadsheet, just when the spreadsheet isn't a table.
2. The bigger issue is with Outlook, where reading at least some HTML
emails is nearly impossible with NVDA. This is particularly
problematic on emails from Groupon, which I have a lot of on my other
account which I access through Outlook. When I open those emails,
Outlook unexpectedly closes. This is the primary reason I still use
System Access with Outlook, because I've never had this problem with
that screen reader.
Bob






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Re: Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016

Sarah k Alawami
 

I'm learning how to use outlook so can't help with that, but your first issue I have experienced just a few days ago when I was inserting rows and merging stuff together.

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On 17 Nov 2020, at 17:14, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Hello list,
I've been using NVDA for about 10 years now, but it's really only been
in the last few that it has become an every day use in my life, as
I've primarily been using System Access. However, since that screen
reader's future is uncertain, I want to get a few things with NVDA
fixed. I have two fairly major problems with Office 2016 on Windows 10
and the latest version on NVDA:
1. In Excel, whenever I try to modify a spreadsheet, NVDA stops
reading the document that is in focus. For instance, I like to double
check where I inserted a row. So, I will navigate to the row where I
want to insert, hit my applications key, choose insert from the menu,
and choose "entire row" from the dialog that pops up. On clicking OK,
I am returned to the spreadsheet as expected, but unless I alt-tab
away from and back to the spreadsheet or restart NVDA, it will not
read anything in the spreadsheet. Is there any way to fix this so that
NVDA will continue to read things in spreadsheets after taking such
actions? Note, it does not do this if working in a table within the
spreadsheet, just when the spreadsheet isn't a table.
2. The bigger issue is with Outlook, where reading at least some HTML
emails is nearly impossible with NVDA. This is particularly
problematic on emails from Groupon, which I have a lot of on my other
account which I access through Outlook. When I open those emails,
Outlook unexpectedly closes. This is the primary reason I still use
System Access with Outlook, because I've never had this problem with
that screen reader.
Bob
Re: Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Bob,

Which version of NVDA are you using?  And are you using any add-ons?

I don't have Office 2016 handy, only Office 365, however when I insert rows as you describe, NVDA keeps responding.  I just tried it in a blank worksheet, I went to A2, applications key, "insert" "row", then the row is inserted and focus returns to the book and NVDA reads: "Book 1 Excel, sheet 1 table, a2" - note that I haven't created a table, despite the word being mentioned there.

In Outlook, we're aware of some issues with some newsletters, particularly those with many layout tables, although generally the issue is either too much feedback about tables and cells, or too many blank lines, rather than crashing.

We did include some improvements for Outlook particularly in NVDA 2020.3, so if you aren't using that version, please do try it at least.  Another setting which may make a difference, is an advanced setting:

1. Press NVDA+control+g to open NVDA's general settings.
2. Press CONTROL+SHIFT+TAB to move to the last tab
3. Press SPACEBAR to check that you acknowledge the warning.
4. Press TAB until you get to "Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word Document Controls when available".
5. Press SPACEBAR to toggle that
6. Press ENTER to close settings.

Outlook uses a Microsoft Word style window to display messages in Outlook.  This setting changes how NVDA gets information from Word or Word-style controls like this.  Some things may work better, and some may not work as well, but see how you find it.

Also if you are using any add-ons, try restarting NVDA with those disabled to test that as well (NVDA+Q, then down arrow to "Restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 1:19 PM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
Hello list,
I've been using NVDA for about 10 years now, but it's really only been
in the last few that it has become an every day use in my life, as
I've primarily been using System Access. However, since that screen
reader's future is uncertain, I want to get a few things with NVDA
fixed. I have two fairly major problems with Office 2016 on Windows 10
and the latest version on NVDA:
1. In Excel, whenever I try to modify a spreadsheet, NVDA stops
reading the document that is in focus. For instance, I like to double
check where I inserted a row. So, I will navigate to the row where I
want to insert, hit my applications key, choose insert from the menu,
and choose "entire row" from the dialog that pops up. On clicking OK,
I am returned to the spreadsheet as expected, but unless I alt-tab
away from and back to the spreadsheet or restart NVDA, it will not
read anything in the spreadsheet. Is there any way to fix this so that
NVDA will continue to read things in spreadsheets after taking such
actions? Note, it does not do this if working in a table within the
spreadsheet, just when the spreadsheet isn't a table.
2. The bigger issue is with Outlook, where reading at least some HTML
emails is nearly impossible with NVDA. This is particularly
problematic on emails from Groupon, which I have a lot of on my other
account which I access through Outlook. When I open those emails,
Outlook unexpectedly closes. This is the primary reason I still use
System Access with Outlook, because I've never had this problem with
that screen reader.
Bob







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Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Hello list,
I've been using NVDA for about 10 years now, but it's really only been
in the last few that it has become an every day use in my life, as
I've primarily been using System Access. However, since that screen
reader's future is uncertain, I want to get a few things with NVDA
fixed. I have two fairly major problems with Office 2016 on Windows 10
and the latest version on NVDA:
1. In Excel, whenever I try to modify a spreadsheet, NVDA stops
reading the document that is in focus. For instance, I like to double
check where I inserted a row. So, I will navigate to the row where I
want to insert, hit my applications key, choose insert from the menu,
and choose "entire row" from the dialog that pops up. On clicking OK,
I am returned to the spreadsheet as expected, but unless I alt-tab
away from and back to the spreadsheet or restart NVDA, it will not
read anything in the spreadsheet. Is there any way to fix this so that
NVDA will continue to read things in spreadsheets after taking such
actions? Note, it does not do this if working in a table within the
spreadsheet, just when the spreadsheet isn't a table.
2. The bigger issue is with Outlook, where reading at least some HTML
emails is nearly impossible with NVDA. This is particularly
problematic on emails from Groupon, which I have a lot of on my other
account which I access through Outlook. When I open those emails,
Outlook unexpectedly closes. This is the primary reason I still use
System Access with Outlook, because I've never had this problem with
that screen reader.
Bob
Re: NVDA 2020 and Papenmeier new models

Quentin Christensen
 

In your Braille settings, what do you have set for your Braille input table?  If you change that does it make a difference?

Do you have a driver from Papenmeier for your display?  It's not one I'm familiar with, so I'm not sure if anything particular is required to set it up.  That it is working for output is a good start though.

If you turn on NVDA's input help - NVDA+1 - does NVDA report anything when you press the keys on the display?  Input help should read out keys and what they do, without performing any actions.  Press NVDA+1 again to turn input help off.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 9:07 PM Viny <vincleg@...> wrote:
Hello, everyone.

I have two braille dispplays Braillex Trio of Papenmeier.

With nvda 2020, the braille integrated keyboard of the trio doesn't
works. Only the keyborard; the braille output works very fine. Even the
commands I defined myself works.

In the nvda's log in debbug level, the  entries with the braille
keyboard are  not related.


Do you know if someone in the dev team of nvda work on this problem?









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Re: Cannot edit comments in Word with NVDA #advisory

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Rowen,

 

What version of Word are you using? When you get to the toolbar, does pressing f6 cycle you to the document?

 

Otherwise, try the alt key or the escape key.

 

Pranav
Re: NVDA and Notepad ++ search

Brian Vogel
 

On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 08:38 AM, William Wong wrote:
I remembered that I have tried posting another issue to the github issue page, and seemed no feedback from author.
-
One does not always (I'd say often) get direct feedback in response to a bug report.

https://github.com/derekriemer/nvda-notepadplusplus 
 
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Re: NVDA and Notepad ++ search

William
 

Oh, I just tested out.

The problem that I mentioned here, after I disabled the notepad++ addon, the problem disappeared, i.e. search is done normally and will not speak no more search in this direction.

How can I inform the author about this issue?

I remembered that I have tried posting another issue to the github issue page, and seemed no feedback from author.




William 威 於 17/11/2020 21:18 寫道:

Hi, yes.

I am using 19.9 version, which supposed is the latest release.

Dave Grossoehme 於 17/11/2020 6:47 寫道:
Good Day:  There is an add on for Notepad++, which is in the NVDA Add on's.  Are you using this add on?

Dave


On 11/13/2020 8:02 AM, Gene wrote:
No, but I doubt this is an NVDA problem. Its probably a Notepad problem since that is a Notepad command. You can check this by testing with another screen-reader.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: William Wong
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 7:24 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Notepad ++ search

I am running the latest stable version 7.9.1

1. I use ctrl f to search for something, and I know that that part of
text exist more than one time in that document.

2. then I press F3 to jump to next result

3. NVDA said no more search result in this direction, but actually the
focus has already jump to the new line that matches the search keyword

4. I try pressing ctrl home and start from the very begining, pressing
F3 do also speak no more search ....

I jump to end by ctrl End, then I press F3, NVDA just say the same, no
more search..... but did not have the sound that indicate no next search

result.


Do anyone  has any idea about how to fix this?


Thanks,

William
Re: NVDA and Notepad ++ search

William
 

Hi, yes.

I am using 19.9 version, which supposed is the latest release.

Dave Grossoehme 於 17/11/2020 6:47 寫道:

Good Day:  There is an add on for Notepad++, which is in the NVDA Add on's.  Are you using this add on?

Dave


On 11/13/2020 8:02 AM, Gene wrote:
No, but I doubt this is an NVDA problem. Its probably a Notepad problem since that is a Notepad command. You can check this by testing with another screen-reader.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: William Wong
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 7:24 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Notepad ++ search

I am running the latest stable version 7.9.1

1. I use ctrl f to search for something, and I know that that part of
text exist more than one time in that document.

2. then I press F3 to jump to next result

3. NVDA said no more search result in this direction, but actually the
focus has already jump to the new line that matches the search keyword

4. I try pressing ctrl home and start from the very begining, pressing
F3 do also speak no more search ....

I jump to end by ctrl End, then I press F3, NVDA just say the same, no
more search..... but did not have the sound that indicate no next search

result.


Do anyone  has any idea about how to fix this?


Thanks,

William
NVDA 2020 and Papenmeier new models

Viny
 

Hello, everyone.

I have two braille dispplays Braillex Trio of Papenmeier.

With nvda 2020, the braille integrated keyboard of the trio doesn't works. Only the keyborard; the braille output works very fine. Even the commands I defined myself works.

In the nvda's log in debbug level, the  entries with the braille keyboard are  not related.


Do you know if someone in the dev team of nvda work on this problem?
Re: NVDA and Notepad ++ search

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,

Well, Notepad Plus Plus finally updated on my computers. I do not see the issue described in the posts in this thread.  There is no change when I do a search using the Control + F keystroke. I am taken to the first instance of a result and pressing F3 takes me to the next instance and so on.

On 11/14/2020 1:49 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,

I am using Notepad Plus Plus 7.67.X.  The 7.91.x version released on November 2 is supposedly the current stable version. However, at the bottom of the page, the following is stated:
"if no major issues are found, auto updater will be triggered in few days."  I wonder if there may be some issue with the latest version. I usually wit until the auto updater kicks in and then i UPDATE.


On 11/13/2020 10:48 PM, William Wong wrote:
Gene,

I have just tried using Narrator but Narrator seemed unable to navigate within the document area of Notepad ++

I do not have another screen reader except Narrator.... I cannot try this with another one.

Can any one else confirm this as a nvda bug or notepad ++ bug?

Thanks.

Gene 於 13/11/2020 23:02 寫道:

No, but I doubt this is an NVDA problem. Its probably a Notepad problem since that is a Notepad command. You can check this by testing with another screen-reader.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: William Wong
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 7:24 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Notepad ++ search

I am running the latest stable version 7.9.1

1. I use ctrl f to search for something, and I know that that part of
text exist more than one time in that document.

2. then I press F3 to jump to next result

3. NVDA said no more search result in this direction, but actually the
focus has already jump to the new line that matches the search keyword

4. I try pressing ctrl home and start from the very begining, pressing
F3 do also speak no more search ....

I jump to end by ctrl End, then I press F3, NVDA just say the same, no
more search..... but did not have the sound that indicate no next search

result.


Do anyone  has any idea about how to fix this?


Thanks,

William














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Re: Cannot edit comments in Word with NVDA #advisory

Rowen Cary
 

Hi, Pranav,


It is true, not limited to the first two, it may be the first three or more, but there is always a chance to become what I said.
When I select "Edit Comment", the normal situation should be to display the edit field of the comment, but my current situation is that NVDA only reports the "Toolbar"
Re: BluetoothAudio addon

Brian Vogel
 

Had to resort to a web search for my own sanity, and Audio Ducking does indeed exist:
Audio Ducking Mode

Key: NVDA+shift+d

On Windows 8 and above, this option allows you to choose if NVDA should lower the volume of other applications while NVDA is speaking, or all the time while NVDA is running.

  • No Ducking: NVDA will never lower the volume of other audio.
  • Duck when outputting speech and sounds: NVDA will only lower the volume of other audio when NVDA is speaking or playing sounds. This may not work for all synthesizers.
  • Always duck: NVDA will keep the volume of other audio lower the whole time NVDA is running.

 

This option is only available if NVDA has been installed. It is not possible to support audio ducking for portable and temporary copies of NVDA.



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Re: BluetoothAudio addon

Brian Vogel
 

Do you have audio ducking turned on in NVDA?  That may be the issue.  Now, having said that, I'll be darned if I can find that setting, and I could swear it exists, but maybe I'm conflating something from JAWS.

If that exists, and you find it and changing it doesn't fix anything, consider using the Silenzio utility instead of the add-on.

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BluetoothAudio addon

Eilana Benish
 

Hello everyone

we have noticed that when using the BluetoothAudio addon, the sound from other devices becomes low and after one minute more or less , the sound turns to be very high .

this issue occurs even when NVDA is on speech mode off.

after disabling the BluetoothAudio addon, this issue of the sound being very low and then returns to be very high is gone.

so, I would like to ask if there is anything that can be done about this because this add on is very very important

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Re: Cannot edit comments in Word with NVDA #advisory

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Rowen,

 

Are you saying that the approach I mentioned in my message only works for the first 2 comments?

 

Try hitting f6 to return to the document and then repeat the process.

 

Pranav
Focusing on Offscreen Objects

kelby carlson
 

I'm using an application that, for whatever reason, I can only get around with object navigation. I'm having a problem that when I focus on certain navigator objects, NVDA reports them as offscreen and activating them does nothing. Maximizing the window doesn't seem to help, and I haven't encountered this anywhere else.
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