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Windows mail not responding to keyboard

John J. Boyer
 

Hello,

The first few times I tried Windows 10 Mail it looked promising. Now it displays a mesage and then won't respond to the keyboard, not to alt, escape F1, etc.

John

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Re: Mouse navigation and Chrome

Tyler Spivey
 

It's already there.

On 11/18/2020 4:31 AM, Rowen Cary wrote:
Please press Win + I to open the settings, and open the first item "System" and then find "Display", adjust the zoom to 100%


Re: Mouse navigation and Chrome

Rowen Cary
 

Please press Win + I to open the settings, and open the first item "System" and then find "Display", adjust the zoom to 100%


Re: There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

Rowen Cary
 

Hi, joseph

Yes, in my personal experience, NVDA does not work well in MS Word, and it is even worse in VS2019. It is common to get stuck without saying anything.
When I enable UIA support in WORD, the comments in the document become unreadable, so that I dare not enable UIA in Word at all.


Re: Cannot edit comments in Word with NVDA #advisory

Rowen Cary
 

Hi,  Pranav,

I am using Office365, but the same is true for Office2019, F6 can return to the body of the document.
In addition, when NVDA reports the "Toolbar", a rectangular box is displayed on the screen, in which is the content of my comments.


Re: Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016

Quentin Christensen
 

If you can get debug logs with add-ons disabled showing anything interesting for those two issues, it would be worth writing them up at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues if you could please.


On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 6:05 PM Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:
Keep an eye on the performance of NVDA with this UIA option enabled. At my end NVDA/Outlook becomes slower and slower during the day. Restarting of NVDA fixes that, but there is something not right with this UIA option. Also with this UIA option it doesn't read image alternate text in RSS feeds.

Regards,
  Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Mittwoch, 18. November 2020 07:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016

That UI Automation checkbox did the trick with the Outlook problem, I just tried it. I agree there's way too much unecisary table information though. I'm not sure if it's how this particular email was laid out, but it appeared to read the first row over and over again when tabbing through. I'll have to investigate that further.

On 11/17/20, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Hi Bob,
>
> Which version of NVDA are you using?  And are you using any add-ons?
>
> I don't have Office 2016 handy, only Office 365, however when I insert
> rows as you describe, NVDA keeps responding.  I just tried it in a
> blank worksheet, I went to A2, applications key, "insert" "row", then
> the row is inserted and focus returns to the book and NVDA reads:
> "Book 1 Excel, sheet
> 1 table, a2" - note that I haven't created a table, despite the word
> being mentioned there.
>
> In Outlook, we're aware of some issues with some newsletters,
> particularly those with many layout tables, although generally the
> issue is either too much feedback about tables and cells, or too many
> blank lines, rather than crashing.
>
> We did include some improvements for Outlook particularly in NVDA
> 2020.3, so if you aren't using that version, please do try it at
> least.  Another setting which may make a difference, is an advanced setting:
>
> 1. Press NVDA+control+g to open NVDA's general settings.
> 2. Press CONTROL+SHIFT+TAB to move to the last tab 3. Press SPACEBAR
> to check that you acknowledge the warning.
> 4. Press TAB until you get to "Use UI Automation to access Microsoft
> Word Document Controls when available".
> 5. Press SPACEBAR to toggle that
> 6. Press ENTER to close settings.
>
> Outlook uses a Microsoft Word style window to display messages in Outlook.
> This setting changes how NVDA gets information from Word or Word-style
> controls like this.  Some things may work better, and some may not
> work as well, but see how you find it.
>
> Also if you are using any add-ons, try restarting NVDA with those
> disabled to test that as well (NVDA+Q, then down arrow to "Restart
> with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER).
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 1:19 PM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
>
>> Hello list,
>> I've been using NVDA for about 10 years now, but it's really only
>> been in the last few that it has become an every day use in my life,
>> as I've primarily been using System Access. However, since that
>> screen reader's future is uncertain, I want to get a few things with
>> NVDA fixed. I have two fairly major problems with Office 2016 on
>> Windows 10 and the latest version on NVDA:
>> 1. In Excel, whenever I try to modify a spreadsheet, NVDA stops
>> reading the document that is in focus. For instance, I like to double
>> check where I inserted a row. So, I will navigate to the row where I
>> want to insert, hit my applications key, choose insert from the menu,
>> and choose "entire row" from the dialog that pops up. On clicking OK,
>> I am returned to the spreadsheet as expected, but unless I alt-tab
>> away from and back to the spreadsheet or restart NVDA, it will not
>> read anything in the spreadsheet. Is there any way to fix this so
>> that NVDA will continue to read things in spreadsheets after taking
>> such actions? Note, it does not do this if working in a table within
>> the spreadsheet, just when the spreadsheet isn't a table.
>> 2. The bigger issue is with Outlook, where reading at least some HTML
>> emails is nearly impossible with NVDA. This is particularly
>> problematic on emails from Groupon, which I have a lot of on my other
>> account which I access through Outlook. When I open those emails,
>> Outlook unexpectedly closes. This is the primary reason I still use
>> System Access with Outlook, because I've never had this problem with
>> that screen reader.
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Web: www.nvaccess.org
> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>
>
>
>
>
>
>













--
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Training and Support Manager


Re: Mouse navigation and Chrome

Gene
 

It will be interesting to see if this problem is investigated and what is concluded.  I suspect that this isn't an NVDA problem but one that results from some sort of Chromium programming.  It may be of some importance.  There may be sites where controls can't be activated from the keyboard and require a mouse, only to have the mouse not move to them.


Gene

On 11/18/2020 1:44 AM, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
I can confirm this behavior in Chrome and Firefox. From a visual standpoint the mouse is routed to the top left corner of the search button, but it seems it is about 1mm to far left of the button. The mouse pointer doesn't change to a hand with its pointing finger. Moving the mouse a tick to the right gives me the pointing finger hand and numpad-slash works.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Mittwoch, 18. November 2020 05:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Mouse navigation and Chrome

I'm trying to route the mouse in Chrome and am running into issues.

I'm playing incremental games that need mouse hovers to work reliably.
NVDA's mouse navigation doesn't work very well.

As a very basic example which requires not too much setup, I can demonstrate this easily enough on Google.

I should be able to search Google, using mouse navigation to click the button. I'm doing the following:
1. Restart NVDA with add-ons disabled.
2. Start Chrome, navigate to google.com.
3. Type test into the search field.
4. Hit f in browse mode until I find the Google Search button.
5. NVDA+numpad / to route the mouse, and click with numpad /.

When I do this, my page doesn't change. NVDA doesn't seem to be clicking the button.

What can I do to make things work better?










Re: Mouse navigation and Chrome

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

I can confirm this behavior in Chrome and Firefox. From a visual standpoint the mouse is routed to the top left corner of the search button, but it seems it is about 1mm to far left of the button. The mouse pointer doesn't change to a hand with its pointing finger. Moving the mouse a tick to the right gives me the pointing finger hand and numpad-slash works.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Mittwoch, 18. November 2020 05:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Mouse navigation and Chrome

I'm trying to route the mouse in Chrome and am running into issues.

I'm playing incremental games that need mouse hovers to work reliably.
NVDA's mouse navigation doesn't work very well.

As a very basic example which requires not too much setup, I can demonstrate this easily enough on Google.

I should be able to search Google, using mouse navigation to click the button. I'm doing the following:
1. Restart NVDA with add-ons disabled.
2. Start Chrome, navigate to google.com.
3. Type test into the search field.
4. Hit f in browse mode until I find the Google Search button.
5. NVDA+numpad / to route the mouse, and click with numpad /.

When I do this, my page doesn't change. NVDA doesn't seem to be clicking the button.

What can I do to make things work better?


Re: Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Keep an eye on the performance of NVDA with this UIA option enabled. At my end NVDA/Outlook becomes slower and slower during the day. Restarting of NVDA fixes that, but there is something not right with this UIA option. Also with this UIA option it doesn't read image alternate text in RSS feeds.

Regards,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Mittwoch, 18. November 2020 07:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016

That UI Automation checkbox did the trick with the Outlook problem, I just tried it. I agree there's way too much unecisary table information though. I'm not sure if it's how this particular email was laid out, but it appeared to read the first row over and over again when tabbing through. I'll have to investigate that further.

On 11/17/20, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Bob,

Which version of NVDA are you using? And are you using any add-ons?

I don't have Office 2016 handy, only Office 365, however when I insert
rows as you describe, NVDA keeps responding. I just tried it in a
blank worksheet, I went to A2, applications key, "insert" "row", then
the row is inserted and focus returns to the book and NVDA reads:
"Book 1 Excel, sheet
1 table, a2" - note that I haven't created a table, despite the word
being mentioned there.

In Outlook, we're aware of some issues with some newsletters,
particularly those with many layout tables, although generally the
issue is either too much feedback about tables and cells, or too many
blank lines, rather than crashing.

We did include some improvements for Outlook particularly in NVDA
2020.3, so if you aren't using that version, please do try it at
least. Another setting which may make a difference, is an advanced setting:

1. Press NVDA+control+g to open NVDA's general settings.
2. Press CONTROL+SHIFT+TAB to move to the last tab 3. Press SPACEBAR
to check that you acknowledge the warning.
4. Press TAB until you get to "Use UI Automation to access Microsoft
Word Document Controls when available".
5. Press SPACEBAR to toggle that
6. Press ENTER to close settings.

Outlook uses a Microsoft Word style window to display messages in Outlook.
This setting changes how NVDA gets information from Word or Word-style
controls like this. Some things may work better, and some may not
work as well, but see how you find it.

Also if you are using any add-ons, try restarting NVDA with those
disabled to test that as well (NVDA+Q, then down arrow to "Restart
with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 1:19 PM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello list,
I've been using NVDA for about 10 years now, but it's really only
been in the last few that it has become an every day use in my life,
as I've primarily been using System Access. However, since that
screen reader's future is uncertain, I want to get a few things with
NVDA fixed. I have two fairly major problems with Office 2016 on
Windows 10 and the latest version on NVDA:
1. In Excel, whenever I try to modify a spreadsheet, NVDA stops
reading the document that is in focus. For instance, I like to double
check where I inserted a row. So, I will navigate to the row where I
want to insert, hit my applications key, choose insert from the menu,
and choose "entire row" from the dialog that pops up. On clicking OK,
I am returned to the spreadsheet as expected, but unless I alt-tab
away from and back to the spreadsheet or restart NVDA, it will not
read anything in the spreadsheet. Is there any way to fix this so
that NVDA will continue to read things in spreadsheets after taking
such actions? Note, it does not do this if working in a table within
the spreadsheet, just when the spreadsheet isn't a table.
2. The bigger issue is with Outlook, where reading at least some HTML
emails is nearly impossible with NVDA. This is particularly
problematic on emails from Groupon, which I have a lot of on my other
account which I access through Outlook. When I open those emails,
Outlook unexpectedly closes. This is the primary reason I still use
System Access with Outlook, because I've never had this problem with
that screen reader.
Bob





--
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Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
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Re: BluetoothAudio addon

Vaibhav Bhandari
 

Hi all,
Just wanted to ask a question about the settings of bluetooth audio
addon. What does the stand by time actually do? I know it is set at 60
seconds by default but I cannot understand what effect it will have if
I change it to some other value.

On 11/18/20, Eilana Benish <benish.ilana@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello everybody

my NVDA settings for Audio ducking mode – is set to No ducking

In the meantime, I have changed the numbers of seconds that the addon play
silent voice so now I don't have Ups and downs with the volume.

The numbers of seconds can be entered in the addon settings and it can be 4
Number of hours after you convert the seconds and multiply them for the
number of hours you wish to have the add on play a silent voice.

I guess that this is the ultimate solution for now










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נכתב על ידי Brian Vogel, ב־17/11/2020 בשעה 06:50:

Do you have audio ducking turned on in NVDA?  That may be the issue.  Now,
having said that, I'll be darned if I can find that setting, and I could
swear it exists, but maybe I'm conflating something from JAWS.

If that exists, and you find it and changing it doesn't fix anything,
consider using the Silenzio utility instead of the add-on.

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something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you
have a legal mind.

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Re: There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

 

Hi,
Makes sense. At this point, I have no other suggestions for us to try.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

Hi Joseph. The addons that I install, and mind you I have very few AddOns installed, don't impact my pc much, enabled or disabled. It is when I get into more intensive work and use apps that depend a lot more on UIA access that My problem starts. Cheers!

On 18/11/2020 1:40 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
That's intriguing. Can you enable one add-on at a time to see which add-on might be responsible for impacting performance? Also, does this happen after restarting your computer?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar
Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of
NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

HI Joseph. Slight improvement with first case scenario, but no luck with the second. I have only written this after trying out both cases, hence not being able to put a finger on this problem. Cheers!

On 18/11/2020 1:07 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What happens when you:
1. Restart with add-ons disabled?
2. Tell NVDA to not accept UIA events from non-focused control? To do this, open NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Advanced/check the first box, then check "Enable selective registration for UI Automation events and property changes". Then click OK and RESTART NVDA.

If NVDA works better after running with add-ons off, chances are that it might be an add-on or two that's not working great with NVDA 2020.3 on your system. If selective UIA event registration helps, then it is an interesting data point for I and other developers to ponder throughout the holidays.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar
Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of
NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

Hi. The subject says it somewhat but not the whole. I somehow feel that NVDA is not functioning or responding too well, not only with windows 10 itself but with a few apps associated with it. So let's first talk about one of NVDA's most peculiar behaviors.

This is not to say that it is happening on every Windows 10 OS, but it is certainly happening on my 20H2 version of Windows 10.


There are times when NVDA somehow insists on having it full and final
say, so much so that even pressing the Ctrl key won't stop it from
blabbering unnecessarily. This particularly happens when the
following apps are being opened and worked on.

1. Android Studio.

2. Microsoft Visual Studio 2019.

3. the Reaper DAW.

4. Mozilla Thunderbird.

5. Microsoft office, especially with Word.


There is also this tendency to gradually slow down as more and more
time is spent on working on windows, especially when undertaking more
resource intensive work like Music production and programming. It
wasn't like this with early versions.


There are also cases where NVDA and certain Applications don't behave
as expected. I won't go into the mechanics as this is a specific
NVDA list. Suffice it to say that the Reaper DAW that used to be so
Pally with NVDA is not performing as expected, and I don't think it's
just the Osara PlugIn issue either, Osara being the Open Source
Access for the Reaper Application, but perhaps NVDA and Windows 10
may have a say too. The same is happening with Android Studio. It
was a sluggish app before but still usable. It sometimes slows down
to a crawl nowadays, and only a restart of the program will do.


Now, I am not saying that NVDA is fully culpable, but It could be a
whole series of problems that have cropped up as Windows got to be
more "advanced" and "user friendly". Also, UIA is known to have
caused a few serious accessibility problems, and the need for NVDA to
adapt to UIA bassed apps for accessibility reasons might be problematic as of now.
Reverting to an earlier version of NVDA may indeed cause more of a
problem since I am not sure of the extent to which the MSAA model of
earlier NVDA and Windows versions have been superceeded by the need
for UIA assisted access. So, people who are using their pcs or
laptops for more involved tasks and jobs are in a bit of a no man's land at this time.


Just my two cents worth of concern. Cheers!





















Re: Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

That UI Automation checkbox did the trick with the Outlook problem, I
just tried it. I agree there's way too much unecisary table
information though. I'm not sure if it's how this particular email was
laid out, but it appeared to read the first row over and over again
when tabbing through. I'll have to investigate that further.

On 11/17/20, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Bob,

Which version of NVDA are you using? And are you using any add-ons?

I don't have Office 2016 handy, only Office 365, however when I insert rows
as you describe, NVDA keeps responding. I just tried it in a blank
worksheet, I went to A2, applications key, "insert" "row", then the row is
inserted and focus returns to the book and NVDA reads: "Book 1 Excel, sheet
1 table, a2" - note that I haven't created a table, despite the word being
mentioned there.

In Outlook, we're aware of some issues with some newsletters, particularly
those with many layout tables, although generally the issue is either too
much feedback about tables and cells, or too many blank lines, rather than
crashing.

We did include some improvements for Outlook particularly in NVDA 2020.3,
so if you aren't using that version, please do try it at least. Another
setting which may make a difference, is an advanced setting:

1. Press NVDA+control+g to open NVDA's general settings.
2. Press CONTROL+SHIFT+TAB to move to the last tab
3. Press SPACEBAR to check that you acknowledge the warning.
4. Press TAB until you get to "Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word
Document Controls when available".
5. Press SPACEBAR to toggle that
6. Press ENTER to close settings.

Outlook uses a Microsoft Word style window to display messages in Outlook.
This setting changes how NVDA gets information from Word or Word-style
controls like this. Some things may work better, and some may not work as
well, but see how you find it.

Also if you are using any add-ons, try restarting NVDA with those disabled
to test that as well (NVDA+Q, then down arrow to "Restart with add-ons
disabled" and press ENTER).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 1:19 PM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello list,
I've been using NVDA for about 10 years now, but it's really only been
in the last few that it has become an every day use in my life, as
I've primarily been using System Access. However, since that screen
reader's future is uncertain, I want to get a few things with NVDA
fixed. I have two fairly major problems with Office 2016 on Windows 10
and the latest version on NVDA:
1. In Excel, whenever I try to modify a spreadsheet, NVDA stops
reading the document that is in focus. For instance, I like to double
check where I inserted a row. So, I will navigate to the row where I
want to insert, hit my applications key, choose insert from the menu,
and choose "entire row" from the dialog that pops up. On clicking OK,
I am returned to the spreadsheet as expected, but unless I alt-tab
away from and back to the spreadsheet or restart NVDA, it will not
read anything in the spreadsheet. Is there any way to fix this so that
NVDA will continue to read things in spreadsheets after taking such
actions? Note, it does not do this if working in a table within the
spreadsheet, just when the spreadsheet isn't a table.
2. The bigger issue is with Outlook, where reading at least some HTML
emails is nearly impossible with NVDA. This is particularly
problematic on emails from Groupon, which I have a lot of on my other
account which I access through Outlook. When I open those emails,
Outlook unexpectedly closes. This is the primary reason I still use
System Access with Outlook, because I've never had this problem with
that screen reader.
Bob





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Web: www.nvaccess.org
Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/
User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>






Re: There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi Joseph.  The addons that I install, and mind you I have very few AddOns installed, don't impact my pc much, enabled or disabled.  It is when I get into more intensive work and use apps that depend a lot more on UIA access that My problem starts. Cheers!

On 18/11/2020 1:40 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
That's intriguing. Can you enable one add-on at a time to see which add-on might be responsible for impacting performance? Also, does this happen after restarting your computer?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

HI Joseph. Slight improvement with first case scenario, but no luck with the second. I have only written this after trying out both cases, hence not being able to put a finger on this problem. Cheers!

On 18/11/2020 1:07 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What happens when you:
1. Restart with add-ons disabled?
2. Tell NVDA to not accept UIA events from non-focused control? To do this, open NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Advanced/check the first box, then check "Enable selective registration for UI Automation events and property changes". Then click OK and RESTART NVDA.

If NVDA works better after running with add-ons off, chances are that it might be an add-on or two that's not working great with NVDA 2020.3 on your system. If selective UIA event registration helps, then it is an interesting data point for I and other developers to ponder throughout the holidays.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar
Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of
NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

Hi. The subject says it somewhat but not the whole. I somehow feel that NVDA is not functioning or responding too well, not only with windows 10 itself but with a few apps associated with it. So let's first talk about one of NVDA's most peculiar behaviors.

This is not to say that it is happening on every Windows 10 OS, but it is certainly happening on my 20H2 version of Windows 10.


There are times when NVDA somehow insists on having it full and final
say, so much so that even pressing the Ctrl key won't stop it from
blabbering unnecessarily. This particularly happens when the
following apps are being opened and worked on.

1. Android Studio.

2. Microsoft Visual Studio 2019.

3. the Reaper DAW.

4. Mozilla Thunderbird.

5. Microsoft office, especially with Word.


There is also this tendency to gradually slow down as more and more
time is spent on working on windows, especially when undertaking more
resource intensive work like Music production and programming. It
wasn't like this with early versions.


There are also cases where NVDA and certain Applications don't behave
as expected. I won't go into the mechanics as this is a specific NVDA
list. Suffice it to say that the Reaper DAW that used to be so Pally
with NVDA is not performing as expected, and I don't think it's just
the Osara PlugIn issue either, Osara being the Open Source Access for
the Reaper Application, but perhaps NVDA and Windows 10 may have a say
too. The same is happening with Android Studio. It was a sluggish
app before but still usable. It sometimes slows down to a crawl
nowadays, and only a restart of the program will do.


Now, I am not saying that NVDA is fully culpable, but It could be a
whole series of problems that have cropped up as Windows got to be
more "advanced" and "user friendly". Also, UIA is known to have
caused a few serious accessibility problems, and the need for NVDA to
adapt to UIA bassed apps for accessibility reasons might be problematic as of now.
Reverting to an earlier version of NVDA may indeed cause more of a
problem since I am not sure of the extent to which the MSAA model of
earlier NVDA and Windows versions have been superceeded by the need
for UIA assisted access. So, people who are using their pcs or
laptops for more involved tasks and jobs are in a bit of a no man's land at this time.


Just my two cents worth of concern. Cheers!




















Re: Mouse navigation and Chrome

Gene
 

I said that this needs to be verified. I'm not sure if it does. Your procedure works in Firefox so what is occurring in Chrome? I suspect the mouse is moving to the right place, but the left click command doesn't activate the control, for some reason.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse navigation and Chrome

On playing with the page further, I'll add that it may well be that the
mouse is not in the right place but that needs to be verified. Some other
things around that button can be activated and sme can't. OIs that because
the mouse doesn't move to those things or because there is something about
those things that they aren't activated?


Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse navigation and Chrome

I should say I think its very likely the mouse isn't in the right place.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse navigation and Chrome

It is likely the case that the mouse isn't in the right place. That hasn't
been verified, however.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse navigation and Chrome

NVDA numpad enter will activate the button because the navigator is on
it. That has nothing to do with the mouse.

On 11/17/2020 9:27 PM, Gene wrote:
I am not aware of anything. The mouse, in this instance, is in the right place but for some reason, the left click command isn't clicking the button. You can verify that by using numpad insert numpad enter instead of left click. The button is activated.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 10:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Mouse navigation and Chrome

I'm trying to route the mouse in Chrome and am running into issues.

I'm playing incremental games that need mouse hovers to work reliably.
NVDA's mouse navigation doesn't work very well.

As a very basic example which requires not too much setup, I can
demonstrate this easily enough on Google.

I should be able to search Google, using mouse navigation to click the
button. I'm doing the following:
1. Restart NVDA with add-ons disabled.
2. Start Chrome, navigate to google.com.
3. Type test into the search field.
4. Hit f in browse mode until I find the Google Search button.
5. NVDA+numpad / to route the mouse, and click with numpad /.

When I do this, my page doesn't change. NVDA doesn't seem to be clicking
the button.

What can I do to make things work better?









NVDA - Next Beta

Aakash Mishra <aakash01232003mishra@...>
 

Hello community I want to know about next beta update if anybody know about kindly share.


Re: Mouse navigation and Chrome

Gene
 

On playing with the page further, I'll add that it may well be that the mouse is not in the right place but that needs to be verified. Some other things around that button can be activated and sme can't. OIs that because the mouse doesn't move to those things or because there is something about those things that they aren't activated?


Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse navigation and Chrome

I should say I think its very likely the mouse isn't in the right place.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse navigation and Chrome

It is likely the case that the mouse isn't in the right place. That hasn't
been verified, however.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse navigation and Chrome

NVDA numpad enter will activate the button because the navigator is on
it. That has nothing to do with the mouse.

On 11/17/2020 9:27 PM, Gene wrote:
I am not aware of anything. The mouse, in this instance, is in the right place but for some reason, the left click command isn't clicking the button. You can verify that by using numpad insert numpad enter instead of left click. The button is activated.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 10:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Mouse navigation and Chrome

I'm trying to route the mouse in Chrome and am running into issues.

I'm playing incremental games that need mouse hovers to work reliably.
NVDA's mouse navigation doesn't work very well.

As a very basic example which requires not too much setup, I can
demonstrate this easily enough on Google.

I should be able to search Google, using mouse navigation to click the
button. I'm doing the following:
1. Restart NVDA with add-ons disabled.
2. Start Chrome, navigate to google.com.
3. Type test into the search field.
4. Hit f in browse mode until I find the Google Search button.
5. NVDA+numpad / to route the mouse, and click with numpad /.

When I do this, my page doesn't change. NVDA doesn't seem to be clicking
the button.

What can I do to make things work better?









Re: Mouse navigation and Chrome

Gene
 

I should say I think its very likely the mouse isn't in the right place.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse navigation and Chrome

It is likely the case that the mouse isn't in the right place. That hasn't
been verified, however.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse navigation and Chrome

NVDA numpad enter will activate the button because the navigator is on
it. That has nothing to do with the mouse.

On 11/17/2020 9:27 PM, Gene wrote:
I am not aware of anything. The mouse, in this instance, is in the right place but for some reason, the left click command isn't clicking the button. You can verify that by using numpad insert numpad enter instead of left click. The button is activated.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 10:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Mouse navigation and Chrome

I'm trying to route the mouse in Chrome and am running into issues.

I'm playing incremental games that need mouse hovers to work reliably.
NVDA's mouse navigation doesn't work very well.

As a very basic example which requires not too much setup, I can
demonstrate this easily enough on Google.

I should be able to search Google, using mouse navigation to click the
button. I'm doing the following:
1. Restart NVDA with add-ons disabled.
2. Start Chrome, navigate to google.com.
3. Type test into the search field.
4. Hit f in browse mode until I find the Google Search button.
5. NVDA+numpad / to route the mouse, and click with numpad /.

When I do this, my page doesn't change. NVDA doesn't seem to be clicking
the button.

What can I do to make things work better?









Re: There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

 

Hi,
That's intriguing. Can you enable one add-on at a time to see which add-on might be responsible for impacting performance? Also, does this happen after restarting your computer?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

HI Joseph. Slight improvement with first case scenario, but no luck with the second. I have only written this after trying out both cases, hence not being able to put a finger on this problem. Cheers!

On 18/11/2020 1:07 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
What happens when you:
1. Restart with add-ons disabled?
2. Tell NVDA to not accept UIA events from non-focused control? To do this, open NVDA menu/Preferences/Settings/Advanced/check the first box, then check "Enable selective registration for UI Automation events and property changes". Then click OK and RESTART NVDA.

If NVDA works better after running with add-ons off, chances are that it might be an add-on or two that's not working great with NVDA 2020.3 on your system. If selective UIA event registration helps, then it is an interesting data point for I and other developers to ponder throughout the holidays.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jaffar
Sidek
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 9:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] There is something not right about this release of
NVDA, but I can't put my finger on it

Hi. The subject says it somewhat but not the whole. I somehow feel that NVDA is not functioning or responding too well, not only with windows 10 itself but with a few apps associated with it. So let's first talk about one of NVDA's most peculiar behaviors.

This is not to say that it is happening on every Windows 10 OS, but it is certainly happening on my 20H2 version of Windows 10.


There are times when NVDA somehow insists on having it full and final
say, so much so that even pressing the Ctrl key won't stop it from
blabbering unnecessarily. This particularly happens when the
following apps are being opened and worked on.

1. Android Studio.

2. Microsoft Visual Studio 2019.

3. the Reaper DAW.

4. Mozilla Thunderbird.

5. Microsoft office, especially with Word.


There is also this tendency to gradually slow down as more and more
time is spent on working on windows, especially when undertaking more
resource intensive work like Music production and programming. It
wasn't like this with early versions.


There are also cases where NVDA and certain Applications don't behave
as expected. I won't go into the mechanics as this is a specific NVDA
list. Suffice it to say that the Reaper DAW that used to be so Pally
with NVDA is not performing as expected, and I don't think it's just
the Osara PlugIn issue either, Osara being the Open Source Access for
the Reaper Application, but perhaps NVDA and Windows 10 may have a say
too. The same is happening with Android Studio. It was a sluggish
app before but still usable. It sometimes slows down to a crawl
nowadays, and only a restart of the program will do.


Now, I am not saying that NVDA is fully culpable, but It could be a
whole series of problems that have cropped up as Windows got to be
more "advanced" and "user friendly". Also, UIA is known to have
caused a few serious accessibility problems, and the need for NVDA to
adapt to UIA bassed apps for accessibility reasons might be problematic as of now.
Reverting to an earlier version of NVDA may indeed cause more of a
problem since I am not sure of the extent to which the MSAA model of
earlier NVDA and Windows versions have been superceeded by the need
for UIA assisted access. So, people who are using their pcs or
laptops for more involved tasks and jobs are in a bit of a no man's land at this time.


Just my two cents worth of concern. Cheers!













Re: Mouse navigation and Chrome

Gene
 

It is likely the case that the mouse isn't in the right place. That hasn't been verified, however.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 11:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Mouse navigation and Chrome

NVDA numpad enter will activate the button because the navigator is on
it. That has nothing to do with the mouse.

On 11/17/2020 9:27 PM, Gene wrote:
I am not aware of anything. The mouse, in this instance, is in the right place but for some reason, the left click command isn't clicking the button. You can verify that by using numpad insert numpad enter instead of left click. The button is activated.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 10:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Mouse navigation and Chrome

I'm trying to route the mouse in Chrome and am running into issues.

I'm playing incremental games that need mouse hovers to work reliably.
NVDA's mouse navigation doesn't work very well.

As a very basic example which requires not too much setup, I can
demonstrate this easily enough on Google.

I should be able to search Google, using mouse navigation to click the
button. I'm doing the following:
1. Restart NVDA with add-ons disabled.
2. Start Chrome, navigate to google.com.
3. Type test into the search field.
4. Hit f in browse mode until I find the Google Search button.
5. NVDA+numpad / to route the mouse, and click with numpad /.

When I do this, my page doesn't change. NVDA doesn't seem to be clicking
the button.

What can I do to make things work better?









Re: Having Issues with NVDA with Excel and Outlook 2016

Eilana Benish
 

I must say that I am using Microsoft outlook for many many years now and after using Mozilla Thunderbird I don't need Microsoft Outlook anymore

Microsoft Outlook can be crushed without any reason or at least any visible reason  - even on a very strong computer.

Mozilla Thunderbird is very easy to use and very very accessible also with newsletters with layout tables

So I am strongly recommended to use Mozilla Thunderbird

 

ובכבוד רב | Sincerely,

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נכתב על ידי Bob Cavanaugh, ב־18/11/2020 בשעה 03:14:

Hello list,
I've been using NVDA for about 10 years now, but it's really only been
in the last few that it has become an every day use in my life, as
I've primarily been using System Access. However, since that screen
reader's future is uncertain, I want to get a few things with NVDA
fixed. I have two fairly major problems with Office 2016 on Windows 10
and the latest version on NVDA:
1. In Excel, whenever I try to modify a spreadsheet, NVDA stops
reading the document that is in focus. For instance, I like to double
check where I inserted a row. So, I will navigate to the row where I
want to insert, hit my applications key, choose insert from the menu,
and choose "entire row" from the dialog that pops up. On clicking OK,
I am returned to the spreadsheet as expected, but unless I alt-tab
away from and back to the spreadsheet or restart NVDA, it will not
read anything in the spreadsheet. Is there any way to fix this so that
NVDA will continue to read things in spreadsheets after taking such
actions? Note, it does not do this if working in a table within the
spreadsheet, just when the spreadsheet isn't a table.
2. The bigger issue is with Outlook, where reading at least some HTML
emails is nearly impossible with NVDA. This is particularly
problematic on emails from Groupon, which I have a lot of on my other
account which I access through Outlook. When I open those emails,
Outlook unexpectedly closes. This is the primary reason I still use
System Access with Outlook, because I've never had this problem with
that screen reader.
Bob





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