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locked Re: How well does NVDA work on android phones and how do I install it?

Kerryn Gunness
 

NVDA is for windows only
nothing else

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Oliver" <blindman75@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How well does NVDA work on android phones and how do I install it?


indeed it does not. I am unsure why or how you had reached the conclusion that it might, but NVDA is written for a different platform entirely and I do not believe it can be cross compiled.

On 26/11/2020 4:52 am, Chris Smart rambled on about the following:
Um, it doesn't!



On 2020-11-25 1:21 p.m., Hettie wrote:

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Hettie








locked Re: How well does NVDA work on android phones and how do I install it?

Arlene
 

That’s what I thought.  I didn’t think NVDA worked on Android.  

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Governor staten
Sent: November 25, 2020 10:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How well does NVDA work on android phones and how do I install it?

 

NVDA isn't for Android phones. It only works on Windows devices.

 

 

 

On 11/25/2020 1:21 PM, Hettie wrote:


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locked Re: How well does NVDA work on android phones and how do I install it?

Shaun Oliver
 

indeed it does not. I am unsure why or how you had reached the conclusion that it might, but NVDA is written for a different platform entirely and I do not believe it can be cross compiled.

On 26/11/2020 4:52 am, Chris Smart rambled on about the following:

Um, it doesn't!



On 2020-11-25 1:21 p.m., Hettie wrote:

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Hettie






locked Re: How well does NVDA work on android phones and how do I install it?

Hettie
 

Thanks for all the replies. I was hoping it did, but that's okay.


Hettie


On 2020/11/25 8:33 pm, Governor staten wrote:

NVDA isn't for Android phones. It only works on Windows devices.





On 11/25/2020 1:21 PM, Hettie wrote:

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locked Re: How well does NVDA work on android phones and how do I install it?

 

NVDA isn't for Android phones. It only works on Windows devices.





On 11/25/2020 1:21 PM, Hettie wrote:

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locked Re: How well does NVDA work on android phones and how do I install it?

 

NVDA is a Windows platform only piece of software.  There is no Android port available at this time.

Android Accessibility Suite, which includes the TalkBack screen reader, is the de facto standard on the Android platform.
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locked Re: How well does NVDA work on android phones and how do I install it?

Chris Smart
 

Um, it doesn't!

On 2020-11-25 1:21 p.m., Hettie wrote:

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locked How well does NVDA work on android phones and how do I install it?

Hettie
 

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Re: Unable to start up nvda

 

An uninstall, system restart, and reinstall, choosing the option to create a desktop shortcut/keyboard shortcut, is likely your best option.

This often cures a multitude of sins, and not just with NVDA.  And it's easy to do as well.

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Re: Unable to start up nvda

Paul O'Rahilly
 

+ enter from the search box.

Paul

The short cut key appears to be set up correctly, to run the command

"C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\nvda_slave.exe" launchNVDA -r

This command opens nvda from the run dialog box.

I deleted and re entered the short cut in the short cut box.

The only way I can open nvda now is to type nvda

On 11/23/20, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there, do you have the NVDA icon on your desk top? If you do, you go to
it witch is n for NVDA. Alt enter and there you will find where you can
create a short cut. You tab until you hear NVDA short cut none. If that is
what it is. You do control alt n for the hot key. Just like you would for
Jaws. You tab to okay then enter. Close down NVDA and see if your hot key
works.



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From: Paul O'Rahilly
Sent: November 23, 2020 11:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Unable to start up nvda



Hi





I have not used nvDa for a few months. Just returning to it.

However, I am unable to start up nvda with keystroke



ctrl+alt+N



How can I fix this.



Thanks, Paul












Re: any progress on aria-live being read multiple times?

Samuel Kacer
 

So I've experimented around to try and find the simplest example and I've found that the bug occurs when the element with aria-live also has a tabindex. If it doesn't have a tabindex then it is read once, but with a tabindex it will be read twice.

I think this bug is probably the same one that causes live information to be read twice when pressing the pause or mute button on youtube.

Searching through NVDA's issues on github it seems this bug isn't recorded, so I will go ahead and do that later.

tried on chrome, firefox, and edge. the bug occurs for chrome and edg, but not on firefox. however interestingly for firefox I get a completely different bug which I haven't been able to figure out what causes it. essentially there for my application, the live messages are completely garbled and out of order, but couldn't reproduce the bug with a simpler example...


Re: any progress on aria-live being read multiple times?

Quentin Christensen
 

Is there an issue on GitHub?


On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 5:05 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I suspect you would have to take up the question with developers or those
who are knowledgeable about how live regions are handled.  Have you tested
with other screen-readers to see what happens?  So far, we have no way of
knowing if the live regions are implemented properly or if the problem is
with N
NVDA.  You may need to send a sample page to whomever you are consulting
with for evaluation.


Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Samuel Kacer
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 7:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] any progress on aria-live being read multiple times?


Hello,

I am just developing a web app that relies on aria live regions to implement
advanced features. I can see that NVDA gets confused for chrome and edge,
reading the live regions twice an for firefox it just seems to garble the
text updates in live regions completely. For chrome and edge it is usable,
but it does detract from the user experience.

I just wanted to ask if anyone knows what progress there is on fixing this
issue? Might this be fixed in the next NVDA version by any chance?

just to provide more info, I am using NVDA 2020.3

Kind Regards,
Sam









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Re: any progress on aria-live being read multiple times?

Gene
 

I suspect you would have to take up the question with developers or those who are knowledgeable about how live regions are handled. Have you tested with other screen-readers to see what happens? So far, we have no way of knowing if the live regions are implemented properly or if the problem is with N
NVDA. You may need to send a sample page to whomever you are consulting with for evaluation.


Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Samuel Kacer
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 7:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] any progress on aria-live being read multiple times?


Hello,

I am just developing a web app that relies on aria live regions to implement advanced features. I can see that NVDA gets confused for chrome and edge, reading the live regions twice an for firefox it just seems to garble the text updates in live regions completely. For chrome and edge it is usable, but it does detract from the user experience.

I just wanted to ask if anyone knows what progress there is on fixing this issue? Might this be fixed in the next NVDA version by any chance?

just to provide more info, I am using NVDA 2020.3

Kind Regards,
Sam


any progress on aria-live being read multiple times?

Samuel Kacer
 

Hello,

I am just developing a web app that relies on aria live regions to implement advanced features. I can see that NVDA gets confused for chrome and edge, reading the live regions twice an for firefox it just seems to garble the text updates in live regions completely. For chrome and edge it is usable, but it does detract from the user experience.

I just wanted to ask if anyone knows what progress there is on fixing this issue? Might this be fixed in the next NVDA version by any chance?

just to provide more info, I am using NVDA 2020.3

Kind Regards,
Sam


Re: NVDA OCR and what it presents afterward

Quentin Christensen
 

As an alternative to a commercial OCR like Abbyy FineReader, has anyone tried any of the free OCR programs around and if so can you report on their effectiveness?  A quick Google search brings up a number of options, but I must admit, I haven't looked at any yet.

Quentin.

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 9:14 PM mcLeod stinnett <macks75205@...> wrote:


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Re: NVDA OCR and what it presents afterward

mcLeod stinnett
 

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Re: NVDA OCR and what it presents afterward

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Wally,

I'm afraid yes, NVDA is bound by the limitations of Windows OCR. If you do regularly need to run OCR on longer documents, it might be worth considering a full OCR program, which will be able to do fancier things as well.

Also, NVDA's OCR abilities aside, if you are regularly receiving documents you need to run OCR on, it would be worth raising that with the people sending the documents out.  When creating documents is often the easiest point to make them accessible, and in many cases, requires only a small change to workflow to achieve.

In the meantime, Sarah, good prompt, I did go and checked our user guide and it could be improved in this area.  I have created the following issue to put forward a change:


Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 10:34 AM Marisane Moruthanyana <marisanem@...> wrote:
Morning Gene

Does it mean then that one should go to the next page and start the
OCR processing all over again?

Shoo! that is a painstaking exercise, especially when the document is long.

Wally

On 11/22/20, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
> Per documentation whichI hope is present in the manual, the document
> only shown 1 screen at a time. If and  only if the document can show up
> on 1 screen will the whole thing  show up else you only see the screen
> with maybe that one sentence that ocr was able to capture.
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>>
>> I trust you are well.
>>
>> I am trying to cope.
>>
>> I am troubled by nvda.
>>
>> I cannot understand why nvda does not show up all the information even
>> after the OCR process has been made.
>>
>> It says that the document has been recognised, but only a sentence or
>> a page is shown up.
>>
>> Why is that? How do I make it do that?
>>
>> Please help.
>> Wally from SA
>>
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Re: NVDA Navigation Using Touch Gestures and Setting Up Custom Gestures

Quentin Christensen
 

This is a good question, and I do agree that asking what NVDA's equivalent of the rotor on iOS is perfectly acceptable - the Rotor is a screenreader function rather than a system function (it is part of VoiceOver) so that is reasonable.

NVDA does have some touch support and we are working on improving this.  In general touch support on Windows isn't quite as polished as it is on your smart phone or tablet - primarily because Windows was designed as a keyboard and mouse driven interface, and most programs are still designed that way.  The iPhone and Android were designed as touch devices, and so apps developed for those platforms are designed to be controlled that way (and so in contrast, mobile apps, don't tend to have as good an experience using a keyboard as you would have controlling a Windows program with the keyboard).

I must admit, I'm not sure about how to select and copy text with a touch screen on Windows.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 4:44 AM <anwarkhalid850@...> wrote:
Moderators Note:  I am allowing this topic because it does contain questions specific to NVDA that deserve answers.  That being said, copy and paste are operating system functions, as is, in the case of IOS, the Rotor.  Please stick to the NVDA aspects here.  If in depth discussion of the touch gestures for Windows functions is required, those would best be asked either on the Chat Subgroup or the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group (and would be territory not yet asked about much at all).

I'm thinking about trading in my iPad for a Microsoft surface tablet, because I like the idea of having a windows machine that can be both a laptop and tablet combined.
But I do have some concerns about NVDA touch gestures and was wondering if anyone might be able to help.

One thing I wanted to know was how to select copy and paste text using only the touchscreen and touch gestures with NVDA if such a thing is possible,  The other thing is that I know NVDA doesn't have a rotor like iOS so how do you select different granularities to navigate by such as buttons links and headings, how do you then use these to navigate the webpage, what gestures are required? Also, I've looked in the manual for some information about the input gestures dialogue but just wanted some advice, what gestures can you select and how much programming knowledge do you need in order to set up a custom gestures?
 
 



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Re: Spelling Errors

Gene
 

Perhaps shift applications key does the same thing as shift f10. Is that what extended application key means?

If so, perhaps shift application key would open the menu.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 9:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spelling Errors



Shift f10 is the extended applications key so to speak.

Take care

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On 23 Nov 2020, at 19:13, Quentin Christensen wrote:



The context menu not working when pressing the applications key seems to be a bug in Windows 10 mail. Interestingly, if you move to a misspelt word and press SHIFT+F10, it opens a list of alternate spellings. Use the arrow keys to find the one you want and enter to replace. I have always thought that SHIFT+F10 simply sent the same command to the computer as pressing the applications key, but evidently in this case, Mail treats them differently.


On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 11:48 PM Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps because it is an app, you need to open the menu a different way. I
don't know about the difference between apps and applications.

You might try using object navigation which should already be on the word,
move the mouse to it, then right click.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Friday, November 20, 2020 4:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spelling Errors



Hi

Using W10 Mail app throws up spelling errors but the context menu will not
activate if I use the Applications key whilst located on a mis-spelled word.



Cheers

Chris



From: Gene
Sent: 20 November 2020 09:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spelling Errors





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Re: In-Process is out

 

Hi,

Sure, thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 7:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] In-Process is out

 

Thanks Joseph!  Can I link to that in the next In-Process please?

 

Quentin.

 

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 3:44 AM Rowen Cary <manchen_0528@...> wrote:

This is really interesting.


 

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