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Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Chris Smart
 

I have the NVDA Basic Training. I just need to sit down and go through it. (grin) then, I'm going to attempt the NVDA certification a second time. I only got 65% the first time, which isn't all that surprising.

On 2020-11-27 1:48 p.m., Gene wrote:
There is object navigation and screen review and you need to know both to get full use of review abilities.  I'm not sure what the best material is that explains how they work.  I'll let others discuss good material for learning.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 12:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?



Ok, thanks David.




I'm relatively new to relying on NVDA for more day-to-day computing tasks, and I still sometimes find myself in situations where it seems things are easier in Jaws. It's usually just a case of me not having ObjectNav figured out yet though.







On 2020-11-27 1:27 p.m., David Griffith wrote:


As far as I can tell it is exactly the same if you are using a numpad.



That is Insert minus or dash depending on how it is announced.

NVDA announces  move to focus which is I think the NVDA equivalent. As NVDA does not have a Jaws cursor function in the same way as Jaws I think it has to be used more with object navigation but I will leave others more qualified to comment on this.

David G.





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From: Chris Smart
Sent: 27 November 2020 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?





Hi.



Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor

to PC cursor?





thanks



Chris






















Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Chris Smart
 

Thanks! That did exactly what I was looking for.


Happy Thanksgiving to those celebrating it, and please don't catch or spread Covid.

On 2020-11-27 1:47 p.m., Steve Matzura wrote:
Indeed there is. NVDA Key + Left Mouse Button (Num Pad Slash).


On 11/27/2020 1:15 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
Hi.

Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor to PC cursor?


thanks

Chris









Re: input help

Chris Smart
 

Here's a little more context.

Anybody used a little search utility called Bit Che?


In Jaws, after I search for something and focus on an item in the list of results, I do route Jaws to PC, then Numpad Star to simulate a right mouse click, then I pick something from the resulting menu that pops up.


I'm trying to do the same thing in NVDA.


Chris

On 2020-11-27 1:38 p.m., Gene wrote:
You must be in the program where the keys apply if they are program specific. If you are in a browser, you can press letter keys and hear announcements such as that x is move to the next check box, c moves to the next combo box, etc.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Don H
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] input help

I tried to use the input help function of NVDA using the insert 1 keys
and find that the input help does not nearly cover all the possible
keys.  For example after turning input help on and entering insert f7 it
says nothing even though this is the key combo to get a list of elements
like links on a web page.  Is there a way to improve this input help so
it will identify all nva keys?









Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Have a look on the following page it should answer some of your questions like the one you asked.


The link can be found at https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/FAQ <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda-community/wiki/FAQ>


gene nz

On 28/11/2020 7:15 am, Chris Smart wrote:
Hi.

Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor to PC cursor?


thanks

Chris






Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Gene
 

But if you don't know object naviggation and screen review, how they are different and how to use them, you won't understand what you are doing properly when you route. Also, the command you gave is not for routing the object navigator to the cursor. You gave the command for routing the mouse pointer to the position of the object navigator, which is a separate command. We don't know which is being asked about but learning about review and routing is knowledge that is much more likely to be learned and understood well through comprehensive instruction. It is likely to be very difficult if you just pick up this bit of unorganized information here and there.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Matzura
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Indeed there is. NVDA Key + Left Mouse Button (Num Pad Slash).


On 11/27/2020 1:15 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
Hi.

Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor to PC cursor?


thanks

Chris







Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Gene
 

There is object navigation and screen review and you need to know both to get full use of review abilities. I'm not sure what the best material is that explains how they work. I'll let others discuss good material for learning.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 12:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?



Ok, thanks David.




I'm relatively new to relying on NVDA for more day-to-day computing tasks, and I still sometimes find myself in situations where it seems things are easier in Jaws. It's usually just a case of me not having ObjectNav figured out yet though.







On 2020-11-27 1:27 p.m., David Griffith wrote:


As far as I can tell it is exactly the same if you are using a numpad.



That is Insert minus or dash depending on how it is announced.

NVDA announces move to focus which is I think the NVDA equivalent. As NVDA does not have a Jaws cursor function in the same way as Jaws I think it has to be used more with object navigation but I will leave others more qualified to comment on this.

David G.





Sent from Mail for Windows 10





From: Chris Smart
Sent: 27 November 2020 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?





Hi.



Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor

to PC cursor?





thanks



Chris


Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Steve Matzura
 

Indeed there is. NVDA Key + Left Mouse Button (Num Pad Slash).

On 11/27/2020 1:15 PM, Chris Smart wrote:
Hi.

Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor to PC cursor?


thanks

Chris






Re: input help

Gene
 

You must be in the program where the keys apply if they are program specific. If you are in a browser, you can press letter keys and hear announcements such as that x is move to the next check box, c moves to the next combo box, etc.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] input help

I tried to use the input help function of NVDA using the insert 1 keys
and find that the input help does not nearly cover all the possible
keys. For example after turning input help on and entering insert f7 it
says nothing even though this is the key combo to get a list of elements
like links on a web page. Is there a way to improve this input help so
it will identify all nva keys?


Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Chris Smart
 

Ok, thanks David.


I'm relatively new to relying on NVDA for more day-to-day computing tasks, and I still sometimes find myself in situations where it seems things are easier in Jaws. It's usually just a case of me not having ObjectNav figured out yet though.



On 2020-11-27 1:27 p.m., David Griffith wrote:

As far as I can tell it is exactly the same if you are using a numpad.

 

That is Insert minus or dash depending on how it is announced.

NVDA announces  move to focus which is I think the NVDA equivalent. As NVDA does not have a Jaws cursor function in the same way as Jaws I think it has to be used more with object navigation but I will leave others more qualified to comment on this.

David G.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris Smart
Sent: 27 November 2020 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

 

Hi.

 

Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor

to PC cursor?

 

 

thanks

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

David Griffith
 

As far as I can tell it is exactly the same if you are using a numpad.

 

That is Insert minus or dash depending on how it is announced.

NVDA announces  move to focus which is I think the NVDA equivalent. As NVDA does not have a Jaws cursor function in the same way as Jaws I think it has to be used more with object navigation but I will leave others more qualified to comment on this.

David G.

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris Smart
Sent: 27 November 2020 18:15
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

 

Hi.

 

Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor

to PC cursor?

 

 

thanks

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


NVDA Equivalent to "Route Jaws to PC"?

Chris Smart
 

Hi.

Is there an NVDA equivalent to the Jaws command that routes Jaws cursor to PC cursor?


thanks

Chris


Re: list of links

Gene
 

Links is the default setting. If you change it, you may have to reset it, I don't know but if you haven't used the feature before, it will already be set for links.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 10:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] list of links



Nvda plus f7, then tab to the radio button and choose links. This si called the elements list. Search the menual for "elements" and you should be good to go. You can even filter in the search field.

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On 27 Nov 2020, at 8:53, Don H wrote:



I thought there was a NVDA command to create a list of all links on a web page. Having said that I can't find any reference to it in the NVDA manuals. Is there such a command?
Thanks


Re: input help

 

Hi,
Input help is context-sensitive, similar to input gestures dialog. You won't get help messages on elements list (NVDA+F7) unless you invoke input help from a browse mode window.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 9:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] input help

I tried to use the input help function of NVDA using the insert 1 keys and find that the input help does not nearly cover all the possible keys. For example after turning input help on and entering insert f7 it says nothing even though this is the key combo to get a list of elements like links on a web page. Is there a way to improve this input help so it will identify all nva keys?


input help

Don H
 

I tried to use the input help function of NVDA using the insert 1 keys and find that the input help does not nearly cover all the possible keys. For example after turning input help on and entering insert f7 it says nothing even though this is the key combo to get a list of elements like links on a web page. Is there a way to improve this input help so it will identify all nva keys?


Re: list of links

Angelo Sonnesso
 

NVDA plus F7.


73 N2DYN Angelo

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2020 11:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] list of links

I thought there was a NVDA command to create a list of all links on a
web page. Having said that I can't find any reference to it in the NVDA
manuals. Is there such a command?
Thanks


Re: list of links

Sarah k Alawami
 

Nvda plus f7, then tab to the radio button and choose links. This si called the elements list. Search the menual for "elements" and you should be good to go. You can even filter in the search field.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 27 Nov 2020, at 8:53, Don H wrote:

I thought there was a NVDA command to create a list of all links on a web page. Having said that I can't find any reference to it in the NVDA manuals. Is there such a command?
Thanks


list of links

Don H
 

I thought there was a NVDA command to create a list of all links on a web page. Having said that I can't find any reference to it in the NVDA manuals. Is there such a command?
Thanks


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Re: Unable to start up nvda

Paul O'Rahilly
 

Hi Folks

Short cut functioning again. No need to uninstall / reinstall, but I
might just do this anyway.

All I needed to do was to follow the procedure below, and restart the laptop.

Thanks muchly, P

On 11/25/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
An uninstall, system restart, and reinstall, choosing the option to create a
desktop shortcut/keyboard shortcut, is likely your best option.

This often cures a multitude of sins, and not just with NVDA. And it's easy
to do as well.

--

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*If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to
something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you
have a legal mind.*

~ Thomas Reed Powell






Re: NVDA Navigation Using Touch Gestures and Setting Up Custom Gestures

 

Hi,

In a way, it might be possible to do this (I cannot guarantee that Enhanced Touch Gestures will include this feature in the end, as the future of that add-on is a bit uncertain at the moment). I say “might” because:

Touch navigation is intimately tied to object navigation. Partly because in mobile operating systems such as iOS and Android, when you move between controls with touch gestures, all sorts of controls will be visited. Of course there are some areas that you can’t really navigate with flicks alone – you do need to move your finger to iOS’s status bar to interact with items up there to some degree.

On Windows, touch gestures didn’t really take off until Windows 8. Despite attempts to make the touch interface mimic that of mobile operating systems, Microsoft realized that emphasizing touch interface alone didn’t work. In the end, the biggest lesson Microsoft learned is that many people prefer keyboard and mouse to manipulate things on screen, the biggest evidence being hiding tablet mode on Windows 10 Version 20H2 (October 2020 Update) if a system doesn’t support touch or does not include touch-capable hardware.

The first Windows screen reader to take advantage of touch gestures was Narrator, and NVDA followed soon after, borrowing heavily from VoiceOver and concepts used there; in fact, touch support was one of the things that attracted me to NVDA community. Despite introduction of touch gestures and efforts to improve it (that’s really what Enhanced Touch Gestures add-on is all about), NVDA people (users and developers) knew that keyboard was the primary input device. Back when it was first designed (and is still the case in 2020), because NVDA’s touch support borrows heavily from VoiceOver, touch is used mostly for reviewing screen content, not as a primary interaction tool. Also, because you can indeed separate review cursor and caret tracking, or for that matter, you can review up to two controls at once (system focus and another control through navigator object), and since touch interaction is affected by where the navigator object is located, you can’t really generalize touch commands to Windows commands easily, especially when you consider that you might be editing a document while you are exploring Taskbar icons via touch (whereas on smartphones, all you see is what you get to explore, on Windows and other desktop level operating systems, you’ll see many things at once).

Regarding my statement in the beginning (uncertainty of Enhanced Touch Gestures’ future), I can’t comment on specifics at this time, but suffice to say that, around this time next year, I might be asking around for a new maintainer of that add-on. I can maintain Enhanced Touch Gestures and do plan to use touch devices for a while, but life goes on, so I need to move on.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Khalid Anwar
Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2020 10:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Navigation Using Touch Gestures and Setting Up Custom Gestures

 

 I think, and I don't know how practical this would be in real terms, that a text selection mode could be added so that text can be highlighted by character, word, line, et cetera using the standard flick left and write gestures, and then mapping touch gestures onto existing  Windows  keyboard gestures for copy and paste control C and control V. 
 I think the line between smart phones, tablets, laptops, notebooks and PCs is blurring almost every year, and so most  programmes  will be able to support some form of touch support in the near future  though how well they do it is another matter entirely. 
 I also wonder how many of these screen reader gestures that we use have been copyrighted or trademarked by iOS or android, how long is it before they decide that  a particular gesture to perform a particular function can only be used on their devices and anyone else who does this should be punished. 

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