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NVDACon 2020: program schedule is now live

 

Hello NVDA community,

On behalf of NVDACon 2020 Organizing Committee, I would like to cordially invite you to 2020 NVDACon: Bridging The Distance, to be held on December 5th and 6th (UTC), 2020 via TeamTalk. It took the organizers quite a while to get things ready for you, as we have received enthusiastic topic proposals from many people. This year’s NVDACon is one of the most diverse and packed gathering yet – in addition to our tradition of meeting NV Access and listening to their keynote, we’ve got opening forums, showcasing NVDA in many contexts, and other ways for attendees to interact with each other.

And now, NVDACon organizers are proud to present the 2020 program schedule:

2020 program and schedule – NVDACon

 

Note: one or two sessions are marked “tentative” and may change. Base time zone is UTC, with the schedule tailored to your time zone for ease of review and to help you join sessions of interest.

 

How to join us: follow the steps outlined at:

How to join us – NVDACon

 

We hope to see many of you and bridge the distance together this weekend at NVDACon 2020!

Sincerely,

Joseph S. Lee (NVDACon founder and NVDACon 2020 Committee advisor; 2020  lead organizer: Robert Hänggi)


Chat, NVDA and Manamon

Chris Shook
 

Hi,
Could someone who plays Manamon and Manamon2 please contact me?
Thanks
Chris


moderated Re: RAM Problem with Dell computers that have Realtek HD Audio Driver, and NVDA or JAWS

William
 

Hi,

In following Luke's suggestion of changing the driver, my ram issue seemed solved, so I immediately write an official email to the responsible Dell support to request them fixing the driver issue.

I hope he really pass this to the respective party.


Re: HIMS Syncbraille Display and NVDA on Desktop PC

Dark Count
 

This is very odd.

I did just as you suggested, but still no cigar.

It still does not see the display.

Its confounding me since narrator sees them right away and I get Braille.

I thought the external drivers were no longer needed back in 2018.


Thanks,


D C


On 12/1/2020 1:19 PM, Sam Taylor via groups.io wrote:

If you cannot see the HIMS driver on your NVDA installation, the HIMS drivers have not been properly or completely installed. Try installing again and run the file as admin. There are two installations that take place so do see them through to the end.

Keep in mind that the drivers are for USB, and that bluetooth does not require the drivers. You would instead need to pair the device under Bluetooth.


On 2/12/2020 5:21 am, Dark Count wrote:
Hello.

I got a weird issue.

I have managed to hook up and utilize a HIMS Syncbraille display with NVDA on my laptop, and even a few tablets using NVDA 2020.3. But it will not run on my desktop pc.

I installed the drivers recommended on the user guide of NVDA, but nothing is happening.

I don't see specific display drivers listed in Braille settings for HIMS any longer as in prior versions of NVDA. So I have selected automatic. This works with the laptop etc. But nothing on the PC.  Odd thing is that I can get the native windows screen reader to see it and work with it on it.

Thanks for any help.

D C









NVDA and Word

mike mcglashon
 

Hi guys:

 

Am new to this list I think;

 

My question relates to NVDA and word.

I notice whenst reading cases for law school,

NVDA will say “footnote area” and then say “document” when it returns to the actual document being read.

 

Is there a way to have NVDA either:

Skip the footnote portions and continue reading original doc,
or,

Is there a way to group all the footnotes together so that NVDA can go from one to another?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike McGlashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


Re: HIMS Syncbraille Display and NVDA on Desktop PC

Sam Taylor
 

If you cannot see the HIMS driver on your NVDA installation, the HIMS drivers have not been properly or completely installed. Try installing again and run the file as admin. There are two installations that take place so do see them through to the end.

Keep in mind that the drivers are for USB, and that bluetooth does not require the drivers. You would instead need to pair the device under Bluetooth.


On 2/12/2020 5:21 am, Dark Count wrote:
Hello.

I got a weird issue.

I have managed to hook up and utilize a HIMS Syncbraille display with NVDA on my laptop, and even a few tablets using NVDA 2020.3. But it will not run on my desktop pc.

I installed the drivers recommended on the user guide of NVDA, but nothing is happening.

I don't see specific display drivers listed in Braille settings for HIMS any longer as in prior versions of NVDA. So I have selected automatic. This works with the laptop etc. But nothing on the PC.  Odd thing is that I can get the native windows screen reader to see it and work with it on it.

Thanks for any help.

D C









HIMS Syncbraille Display and NVDA on Desktop PC

Dark Count
 

Hello.

I got a weird issue.

I have managed to hook up and utilize a HIMS Syncbraille display with NVDA on my laptop, and even a few tablets using NVDA 2020.3. But it will not run on my desktop pc.

I installed the drivers recommended on the user guide of NVDA, but nothing is happening.

I don't see specific display drivers listed in Braille settings for HIMS any longer as in prior versions of NVDA. So I have selected automatic. This works with the laptop etc. But nothing on the PC. Odd thing is that I can get the native windows screen reader to see it and work with it on it.

Thanks for any help.

D C


locked Re: NVDA with Eudora?

 

Ann,

            Here's a quote from the Computer History Museum, which now actually owns the rights to the source code for the long out of support Eudora e-mail client:

alas, the last version of Eudora was released in 2006.

It has not been supported since, nor did the hoped-for revival after the source code was open-sourced ever occur.  From the Wikipedia page for Eudora:

Development of the open-source version stopped in 2010 and was officially deprecated in 2013, with users advised to switch to the current version of Thunderbird.

Your best bet is to find a new e-mail client.  And per the group rule, Unsupported versions of any software may only be discussed on the Chat Subgroup, not the main NVDA Group, this topic is now locked.
--

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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


locked NVDA with Eudora?

Ann Byrne
 

For years I have used NVDA with Eudora easily and quickly. Upgrading today to the newest NVDA version, I find that NVDA no longer reads messages. it reads the list of messages, but not the text when the message is opened.

Any other eudora users out there? Is there a work-around?

Thx,

Ann


moderated Re: RAM Problem with Dell computers that have Realtek HD Audio Driver, and NVDA or JAWS

Gene
 

What happens if you unload NVDA then load it again. Until you solve the proboem, see if doing this off and on works around the problem.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Melissa Jean
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 3:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] RAM Problem with Dell computers that have Realtek HD Audio Driver, and NVDA or JAWS

I just tried to do this using microsoft disability on be my eyes. She
could not locate any drivers other than real tech on my computer and
they will not install drivers not rec by manufacturer. She went to the
dell site and there was an Oct 27 update for real tech. So I installed
those... I hope that it does it but I have no confidence with real
tech to be honest.

I have more school work to do so I guess will update later.


locked Re: Command to obtain Serial number from system

 

Answered on the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group:  https://win10.groups.io/g/win10/message/49055 

This topic is now locked, as it is not NVDA related.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


locked Command to obtain Serial number from system

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi.  Some kind soul set a command to obtain our pc's serial number.  As I have a mountain of mail to wade through, and due to being a numbskull at times, can the kind soul or anyone else who saved the command please resend it?  I forgot to save the email concerned myself.  Thank you.  Stay safe and cheers.


keybase

 

Hi.

Has anyone used keybase with nvda.

Keybase is usable though it would be nice if I knew the status of checkboxes, buttons and the like.

Some actions need to be done online but never the less I have managed to get it working with explorer.

The issue is the client, on first open it works well.

However after that it will simply open into some hidden mode.

If I move about I can get something like show recent files and open inbox.

If I do open inbox, the program opens but nvda can not read it though ocr states it is loaded.

I assume there are more than 1 window and I need to refocus though even in mouse mode nvda can't find what to press.

I like the concept of keybase.

Are there shortcut keys as such for it?

The client could be better but oh well.

I will probably report issues I have had to keybase itself though another alternitive client would be good.


Re: Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

 

Hi,
As for building NVDA for ARM, not likely, as we want to make sure many
people get to use NVDA with just one installer, so we have to go through
common denominator.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam Samec
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 2:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Yes, so far Windows on ARM is licensed only for certain OEMs, but this can
change in the future. So I was curious if there is somebody using an
ARM-based PC who could confirm if NVDA runs stable on it.

Also can you confirm whether there are plans to build NVDA for the ARM
processors?

Thanks.

Adam

30. 11. 2020 v 19:35, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
It might be possible to run NVDA on a Windows 10 on ARM running on M1
processor. Note that Microsoft didn't truly release Windows 10 on ARM
for MacBook Air yet.
As for the library I mentioned, it is a module that allows NVDA to
work better with certain apps, especially when using web browsers.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam
Samec
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Hello Joseph,

thanks for the reply. Though I didn't get it entirely. You mean NVDA
comes with a library same as what? Could you elaborate on that more?

Let's say I have a fast ARM processor, like that which is included in
the new MacBook Air with the M1 chip. Do you think NVDA will be stable
on such an ARM-based environment?

Kind regards
Adam

30. 11. 2020 v 18:34, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
What I'm about to say is theoretical, but might be applicable in
practice:
I expect NVDA to be slow in Windows 10 on ARM. As you may know, in
order to run x86 (32-bit) code, Windows 10 on ARM comes with an
emulator. But because NVDA is a Python-based software, it must go
through multiple layers (Python interpreter on x86, which in turn
will run on top of x86 emulator) just to get it to run. Thankfully,
NVDA does come with the same library for communicating with certain
apps, so it might be a bit fast (still slower than running on a
64-bit AMD or Intel processor); for reference, the ARM version of
NVDA Helper library
is also compiled when compiling NVDA.
As for working with ARM apps, foundations are in place to fully
support them. The initial work was made in 2017, which was somewhat
enhanced in subsequent releases. In NVDA 2020.3, NVDA can tell you
what the target machine architecture for an app is, so using Python
Console, you can figure out if you're dealing with a 32-bit or 64-bit
x86 or ARM app. This will get a bit interesting (and slightly
complicated) soon when Windows 10 on ARM comes with an emulator for
64-bit
x86 code.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam
Samec
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Hello,

I am considering buying a notebook with an ARM-based processor, and I
am just wondering whether the x86 version of NVDA will work well in
the Windows
10 on ARM version of Windows. If not, are there plans for the
development of an ARM-based version of NVDA?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Best regards

Adam


















Admin's Notes, Recent Threads #adminnotice

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello everyone,

There have been a number of message threads today with similar subjects. If you would like to respond to a message, please do so without starting a new thread. Otherwise, all this does is cause clutter.

Next, on the issue of Dell, I have seen messages from misguided users stating that you should stay away from an entire brand. Let me tell you that I have a Dell laptop, which does not exhibit ram issues. I keep drivers updated using the Dell Update program, as well as using the optional driver updates setting in Windows Updates. I have seen updates to my sound card, so this idea that Dell doesn't update their drivers is false. On occasion, certain brands do exhibit issues with drivers, but the issues tend to be isolated to a specific model of machine, and often won't affect the entire brand. Moreover, solutions for getting around this issue have been proposed.

In any case, I would like to urge all of you that, when posting messages to this list, they should relate to the topic of this group, NVDA, and they should try to avoid blanket statements such as an entire brand being bad and this is why all users should avoid them. Group members should not have to be intimidated just because they choose a specific brand of computer, simply because one person believes that brand is bad.

Here's hoping all of you are well.

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Re: Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Adam Samec <adam.samec@...>
 

Yes, so far Windows on ARM is licensed only for certain OEMs, but this can change in the future. So I was curious if there is somebody using an ARM-based PC who could confirm if NVDA runs stable on it.

Also can you confirm whether there are plans to build NVDA for the ARM processors?

Thanks.

Adam

30. 11. 2020 v 19:35, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
It might be possible to run NVDA on a Windows 10 on ARM running on M1
processor. Note that Microsoft didn't truly release Windows 10 on ARM for
MacBook Air yet.
As for the library I mentioned, it is a module that allows NVDA to work
better with certain apps, especially when using web browsers.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam Samec
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 9:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Hello Joseph,

thanks for the reply. Though I didn't get it entirely. You mean NVDA comes
with a library same as what? Could you elaborate on that more?

Let's say I have a fast ARM processor, like that which is included in the
new MacBook Air with the M1 chip. Do you think NVDA will be stable on such
an ARM-based environment?

Kind regards
Adam

30. 11. 2020 v 18:34, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>:

Hi,
What I'm about to say is theoretical, but might be applicable in practice:
I expect NVDA to be slow in Windows 10 on ARM. As you may know, in
order to run x86 (32-bit) code, Windows 10 on ARM comes with an
emulator. But because NVDA is a Python-based software, it must go
through multiple layers (Python interpreter on x86, which in turn will
run on top of x86 emulator) just to get it to run. Thankfully, NVDA
does come with the same library for communicating with certain apps,
so it might be a bit fast (still slower than running on a 64-bit AMD
or Intel processor); for reference, the ARM version of NVDA Helper library
is also compiled when compiling NVDA.
As for working with ARM apps, foundations are in place to fully
support them. The initial work was made in 2017, which was somewhat
enhanced in subsequent releases. In NVDA 2020.3, NVDA can tell you
what the target machine architecture for an app is, so using Python
Console, you can figure out if you're dealing with a 32-bit or 64-bit
x86 or ARM app. This will get a bit interesting (and slightly
complicated) soon when Windows 10 on ARM comes with an emulator for 64-bit
x86 code.
Cheers,
Joseph


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adam
Samec
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 7:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

Hello,

I am considering buying a notebook with an ARM-based processor, and I
am just wondering whether the x86 version of NVDA will work well in
the Windows
10 on ARM version of Windows. If not, are there plans for the
development of an ARM-based version of NVDA?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Best regards

Adam


















moderated Re: RAM Problem with Dell computers that have Realtek HD Audio Driver, and NVDA or JAWS

 

Hello All,

           At this point I believe it's abundantly clear that there are issues with the audio drivers issued by Dell, and that as of this point in time, they have not issued any fix.

           If this were to change, and someone has a link to a Dell supplied, official driver then please send a message containing same and I will approve it after checking.  For the moment, though, this topic is on moderated status, which essentially means locked unless I were to receive something related to an official fix from Dell or something supplied directly by Microsoft or Realtek that would resolve the issue if installed.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Will NVDA work smoothly in Windows 10 on ARM?

 

Well technically it may.

This is because x86 and 64 standard emulation will be about.

However I'd hold off a little bit.

Firstly win10 x is due to go out according to winaero.com.

Its supposed to have emulation out the box but some may come later on to.

Right now its not certain if x86-64 desktop emulation will make it to release 1.

Oh and it is release 1, no one has actually seen it and such yet so who knows if it will work or not.

The other thing is that next year, towards year's end windows 10 is having an interface revamp and aparently that may shake things up a bit.

Now maybe in 2022 I'd try to get an arm unit but not just yet.

On 1/12/2020 4:59 am, Adam Samec wrote:
Hello,

I am considering buying a notebook with an ARM-based processor, and I am just wondering whether the x86 version of NVDA will work well in the Windows 10 on ARM version of Windows. If not, are there plans for the development of an ARM-based version of NVDA?

Thanks for your thoughts.

Best regards

Adam



.


moderated Re: RAM Problem with Dell computers that have Realtek HD Audio Driver, and NVDA or JAWS

Arlene
 

Brian, almost all computers use Realtech.  The sale’s person said he didn’t know why but almost all computers use it. He himself is not confident with it.  He was fully sighted.  Even my last windows 7 computer used realtech.  Not sure if the old xp box did. It probably did.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: November 30, 2020 1:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] RAM Problem with Dell computers that have Realtek HD Audio Driver, and NVDA or JAWS

 

On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 04:41 PM, Melissa Jean wrote:

I hope that it does it but I have no confidence with realtech to be honest.

-
The issue is not with Realtek audio drivers in general, or this problem would be hugely widespread across computer makes and models.  They are a very big company in audio for computers.

The problem is with the Realtek driver being issued by Dell, which I'll bet my bottom dollar that they have customized, as this is not at all uncommon practice.  That's why the first place that's generally recommended to search for drivers is the downloads and drivers support page for your exact make and model of computer.  In the vast majority of cases, that will be the best fit.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 

 


moderated Re: RAM Problem with Dell computers that have Realtek HD Audio Driver, and NVDA or JAWS

Arlene
 

That was what I was told by another blind person on another blind tec list. He said not to buy a dell because of that audio problem we’d have.  I asked on that list before I got this Acer laptop.  The person told me it slows down NVDA. There you all have it! 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: November 30, 2020 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Ram problem and nvda

 

Well a solution for me is to never buy a dell.

Its been known there are a lot of audio driver issues with dell units for us blind persons.

There is another reason now not to even buy dell because its just bad news for us.

 

 

On 1/12/2020 4:15 am, luke scholey via groups.io wrote:

Hi Melissa

 

I know how annoying this can be. See my message below for instructions on how to sort it.

 

Let me know if you need anymore detailed steps.

 

All the best

Luke

 

 



On 30 Nov 2020, at 12:17, luke scholey via groups.io <l.scholey@...> wrote:



Hi all

 

Just to add to this:

 

There seems to be an issue with some (but not all) new Dell laptops that use a version of the Realtech audio driver and NVDA.

 

As stated below, there’s a memory leak with the Windows Audio Device Graph Isolation (audiodg.exe) service. When using NVDA, especially for long periods of time, this service eats all available ram and then starts gobbling up virtual memory as well until the device blue screens. This is limited to when NVDA speaks, my testing has revealed that if you leave NVDA silent for a while, the memory slowly comes back down again. This leak also doesn’t happen when other audio is playing so it seems to be a problem with the way NVDA uses this service. But if you’re using one of these effected laptops in a 9 til 5  job, over a few hours, the machine would become slower and slower.

 

A temporary fix for this is to find the audio driver in use in the device manager from hardware and sound, navigate to the sounds video and game controllers category and update the audio driver. Instead of searching for updates on the internet automatically, choose the manual option and select the button that will allow the user to choose a driver from a compatible list of drivers in the same category. Usually there will only be two drivers in this list, the current Realtech driver and the default Windows 10 driver which is called HD Audio from Microsoft. Click this driver to update and the audio on the machine will stop. Restart the laptop to begin using the new updated driver. Using this HD Audio driver, the issue is no longer present.

 

I’m not saying NVDA is at fault here because I don’t know enough about this yet. It could be that the driver is the culprit, and NVDA is doing things correctly but the driver is not handling NVDA very well.

 

So far I’ve tested this on Dell Inspiron laptops from the 570 range and above, from Windows 10 1809 and above and NVDA 2019.1 and above.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Luke

 

 

From: William Wong
Sent: 30 November 2020 11:19
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Ram problem and nvda

 

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