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Re: How do I copy tables from a webpage while preserving their formatting

 

Depending on the browser you're using, there are also extensions/add-ons to make table selection, or part of table selection, easier.  Many of them have keyboard shortcuts associated with their actions.

Also be aware that preservation of formatting between an HTML table on a webpage an when it's pasted in to a Word document is not 100% flawless.  I just did a sighted selection of one of the tables on the page you referenced earlier, and when pasted in to word the 2nd and 3rd columns had their text placed at the bottom of the respective columns rather than the top, which is how they are presented on the webpage itself.
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Listing links in Word

Ann Byrne
 

thanks. I thought there would be a trick.

At 09:23 AM 12/9/2020, you wrote:
You must first enter in browse mode with NVDA+space.


Rui Fontes


Às 15:15 de 09/12/2020, Ann Byrne escreveu:
When I press insert+f7 in Word, instead of a list of links I am placed in spell check. Does insert+f7 not list links in programs other than internet browsers? Am I missing a trick?

Thanks






Re: Listing links in Word

Rui Fontes
 

You must first enter in browse mode with NVDA+space.


Rui Fontes


Às 15:15 de 09/12/2020, Ann Byrne escreveu:

When I press insert+f7 in Word, instead of a list of links I am placed in spell check.  Does insert+f7 not list links in programs other than internet browsers?  Am I missing a trick?

Thanks





Re: Listing links in Word

Gene
 

I don't use Word but from what I've read and seen in discussions, try turning on browse mode with NVDA key space. The links list command should now work.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 9:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Listing links in Word

When I press insert+f7 in Word, instead of a list of links I am
placed in spell check. Does insert+f7 not list links in programs
other than internet browsers? Am I missing a trick?

Thanks


Listing links in Word

Ann Byrne
 

When I press insert+f7 in Word, instead of a list of links I am placed in spell check. Does insert+f7 not list links in programs other than internet browsers? Am I missing a trick?

Thanks


Re: Trying to build NVDA from source using the directions I found on GitHub and having problems with liblouis

matthew dyer <ilovecountrymusic483@...>
 

Hi,

 

Thanks.  I will give this another look.  I did not see clang in the list of packages to install, but in any rate, I have sent a subscripsion address to the devel list.

 

Matthew

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 12:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Trying to build nvda fr9om source using the directons I found on github and having problems with libluies

 

Hi all,

Apart from directing folks there, the real issue (based on the SCons output) is incomplete build environment – to build liblouis.dll, you must install Clang and the path must be added by Clang installer (you must do this while installing Visual Studio 2019 Community or above).

Cheers,

Jsoeph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Trying to build nvda fr9om source using the directons I found on github and having problems with libluies

 

Matthew,

          I suggest you try asking about this on the NVDA Screen Reader Development Group:

This list is provided for discussion about development for the NVDA (NonVisual Desktop Access) screen reading software. This includes questions and discussion about the code, user experience, design and documentation, both between regular developers and new or potential developers.

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: add-on for accessing the system tray

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Bob

The system tray in Windows 10 is accessible without an add-on.  Use the Windows+b command to move focus to it.  There are  2 parts to the system tray and when it gets focus, you land in the “User promoted notification area toolbar”.  This shows the icons you have chosen to display in the foreground and you use left/right arrow keys to cycle through the icons.  You will encounter an icon announced as “Notification Chevron button”, press spacebar to activate this, then press left arrow. This opens the second part of the system tray which is the “Overflow Notification area toolbar” and it contains the remainder of the system tray icons, I.e those you did not elect to show in the foreground.   Use the left arrow to move through these icons and you will eventually wrap around to the foreground icons again.

 

Earlier I said that you decide which icons appear in the foreground User promoted area and the background overflow area.  You set these in the Settings app (Windows+I) using the Personalisation category, Task bar sub-category, then use the link entitled “Select which icons appear on the Task bar”.  From the list, check the toggle button of items you want in the foreground, unchecked items will be made available in the background.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

.    From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: 08 December 2020 23:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] add-on for accessing the system tray

 

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Re: How do I copy tables from a webpage while preserving their formatting

Pranav Lal
 

Alexandre,

 

See the following link.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5354

 

Pranav


Re: How do I copy tables from a webpage while preserving their formatting

Pranav Lal
 

Dear Ann,

As others have reported, no go.

There is indeed an issue raised for it on github.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5354

Pranav


Re: December 2020 localization updates: Add-on Updater, StationPlaylist, Windows 10 App Essentials #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

To clarify Windows 10 App Essentials support policy:

  • This add-on will support a feature update for at least a year. Typically support for a feature update ends around December/January or June/July. As such, the oldest feature update being supported (November 2019 Update) will not be supported by this add-on from February 2021 onwards (it was supported since August 2019).
  • This add-on supports current stable, immediate past, and development versions of NVDA i.e. NVDA 2020.2 and later. Come January, it will support 2020.3 and later with the impending finalization of 2020.4.

These policies are designed to stress the fact that Windows 10 uses continuous delivery model, and to request that folks use more recent NVDA releases when working with Windows 10. The other add-on to follow this policy is Add-on Updater, but for that one, it supports Windows versions supported by NVDA and only supports latest NVDA release as the add-on is destined to be included in the screen reader in the future.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:07 PM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] December 2020 localization updates: Add-on Updater, StationPlaylist, Windows 10 App Essentials #AddonRelease

 

Hello all,

Three add-ons with localization updates are now available:

  • Add-on Updater: one of the largest releases, containing localization updates done throughout the year. I expect this will be the last version to support NVDA 2020.3, as the next version (21.02) will require upcoming NVDA 2020.4.
  • StationPlaylist: localization updates, fixes a no announcement bug when trying to announce library scan updates while using a braille display, user interface tweaks based on NVDA 2020.3 changes.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: resolves an issue in Calculator 10.2009 or later where NVDA would not announce history entries. A related bug affecting announcement of memory values is being tested via dev channel and will be included in upcoming 21.01.

 

A few notes:

  • Add-on Updater: originally I planned to release 21.01 (January update) but decided to wait until NVDA 2020.4 stable version is released (so the earliest release could be February). The next stable version will include internal changes.
  • StationPlaylist: 20.12 is a stable channel release. If you are looking for 20.09.x release, the next version (January 2021) will indeed include an LTS release. Also, 20.12 is the last stable version to support Studio 5.20.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: originally version 20.12 was supposed to be the last release to support Windows 10 Version 1909 (November 2019 Update), but due to compatibility considerations with NVDA 2020.3 and later, support will be extended until January 2021 (so 21.01 will be the final version compatible with November 2019 Update). Also, 21.01 will require NVDA 2020.3 or later (a bit earlier than usual when it comes to dropping support for immediate past release, but it will be done this way in consideration for Version 1909 users).

 

As always, you can check for these add-on updates via an add-on that’s also being updated today (no, I’m not a poet, but…).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Object Location Tones 20.12, final version of the add-on #addonrelease

 

Hi,

The add-on plays a tone to indicate where a control is located on screen. There are alternatives out there such as Audio Themes 3D (provided that it is updated).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 10:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Object Location Tones 20.12, final version of the add-on #addonRelease

 

What is object location tones?

Is it n v  d a addon?

And if so , what does it do?

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 12:52 AM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Object Location Tones 20.12, final version of the add-on #addonRelease

 

Hello everyone,

Object Location Tones 20.12 is now available. This release includes compatibility range updates and nothing else.

 

IMPORTANT: version 20.12 is the last version of Object Location Tones. Effective January 31, 2021, I will be stepping down from actively maintaining this add-on. Thank you for your support of Object Location Tones for the last few years, and I hope someone will make this add-on great in the future.

Cheers,

Joseph


December 2020 localization updates: Add-on Updater, StationPlaylist, Windows 10 App Essentials #addonrelease

 

Hello all,

Three add-ons with localization updates are now available:

  • Add-on Updater: one of the largest releases, containing localization updates done throughout the year. I expect this will be the last version to support NVDA 2020.3, as the next version (21.02) will require upcoming NVDA 2020.4.
  • StationPlaylist: localization updates, fixes a no announcement bug when trying to announce library scan updates while using a braille display, user interface tweaks based on NVDA 2020.3 changes.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: resolves an issue in Calculator 10.2009 or later where NVDA would not announce history entries. A related bug affecting announcement of memory values is being tested via dev channel and will be included in upcoming 21.01.

 

A few notes:

  • Add-on Updater: originally I planned to release 21.01 (January update) but decided to wait until NVDA 2020.4 stable version is released (so the earliest release could be February). The next stable version will include internal changes.
  • StationPlaylist: 20.12 is a stable channel release. If you are looking for 20.09.x release, the next version (January 2021) will indeed include an LTS release. Also, 20.12 is the last stable version to support Studio 5.20.
  • Windows 10 App Essentials: originally version 20.12 was supposed to be the last release to support Windows 10 Version 1909 (November 2019 Update), but due to compatibility considerations with NVDA 2020.3 and later, support will be extended until January 2021 (so 21.01 will be the final version compatible with November 2019 Update). Also, 21.01 will require NVDA 2020.3 or later (a bit earlier than usual when it comes to dropping support for immediate past release, but it will be done this way in consideration for Version 1909 users).

 

As always, you can check for these add-on updates via an add-on that’s also being updated today (no, I’m not a poet, but…).

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Object Location Tones 20.12, final version of the add-on #addonrelease

mike mcglashon
 

What is object location tones?

Is it n v  d a addon?

And if so , what does it do?

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 12:52 AM
To: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Object Location Tones 20.12, final version of the add-on #addonRelease

 

Hello everyone,

Object Location Tones 20.12 is now available. This release includes compatibility range updates and nothing else.

 

IMPORTANT: version 20.12 is the last version of Object Location Tones. Effective January 31, 2021, I will be stepping down from actively maintaining this add-on. Thank you for your support of Object Location Tones for the last few years, and I hope someone will make this add-on great in the future.

Cheers,

Joseph


Object Location Tones 20.12, final version of the add-on #addonrelease

 

Hello everyone,

Object Location Tones 20.12 is now available. This release includes compatibility range updates and nothing else.

 

IMPORTANT: version 20.12 is the last version of Object Location Tones. Effective January 31, 2021, I will be stepping down from actively maintaining this add-on. Thank you for your support of Object Location Tones for the last few years, and I hope someone will make this add-on great in the future.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Is that with the zoom add on you still get that result or is it without it?


Gene nz

On 9/12/2020 4:26 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
I am in a Zoom meeting right now, and can confirm that NVDA does not
speak when arrowing down after six participants. Interestingly, if you
go to the bottom of the list and use your up arrow, the same thing
happens. I waited several seconds before pressing the arrow key again,
and NVDA never spoke.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
When testing a problem like this, it may be helpful to test for such things.

Assuming that something is or isn't happening may lead to an incorrect
description of a problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to focus
on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen reader, no
matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several seconds after
arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem whatsoever. I may
have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around with this if that
meeting happens.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally
something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech is
delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear what was
going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps ten seconds,

I

would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech stops or

is

very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I may
when

I attend another meeting.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:
What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the current
line. You can also try reading the current line of the navigator object,
in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the laptop layout. You
may

not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the names
as

you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I
mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bob
Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up arrow
when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down arrow
again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat that process
again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two additional issues
with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA does
not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things normally, but
if

you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then the
host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells you that
the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down the
list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.

































Re: Trying to build NVDA from source using the directions I found on GitHub and having problems with liblouis

 

Hi all,

Apart from directing folks there, the real issue (based on the SCons output) is incomplete build environment – to build liblouis.dll, you must install Clang and the path must be added by Clang installer (you must do this while installing Visual Studio 2019 Community or above).

Cheers,

Jsoeph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 8:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Trying to build nvda fr9om source using the directons I found on github and having problems with libluies

 

Matthew,

          I suggest you try asking about this on the NVDA Screen Reader Development Group:

This list is provided for discussion about development for the NVDA (NonVisual Desktop Access) screen reading software. This includes questions and discussion about the code, user experience, design and documentation, both between regular developers and new or potential developers.

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: add-on for accessing the system tray

g melconian <gmelconian619@...>
 

That’s  true. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2020 7:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] add-on for accessing the system tray

 

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 10:24 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

And for those who were formerly sighted and were former "point and clickers," they instantly know what the "to keyboard" translation is.

-
. . . somehow I deleted, "after being told, usually once, what those equivalent keyboard shortcuts/actions are."  It's not something I've seen most computer users, blind or sighted, agonize over.  You learn how to do what it is, in the way you need to do it, to achieve a result.  

I've seen a lot, lot, lot, more clueless sighted people about how things are done using the keyboard as the access method than I've met blind individuals who don't know exactly how to follow sighted directions doing their own "to keyboard" translations on the fly.  They'd be cutting themselves off from the vast majority of documentation that's available in this world were they not prepared to do so.

I've also encountered about as many computer users, sighted or blind, who've never been taught or learned "what controls what."  By that I mean what commands are handled by the operating system, versus their screen reader (when it's a screen reader user), versus the application program they're using.  That's something I actually try to teach people to think about every time they hit a stumbling block.  You can't move forward unless you know which level of interaction is where that stumbling block lies.  And it's generally not all that hard to figure out once you get used to doing it when required.
 
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Trying to build NVDA from source using the directions I found on GitHub and having problems with liblouis

 

Matthew,

          I suggest you try asking about this on the NVDA Screen Reader Development Group:

This list is provided for discussion about development for the NVDA (NonVisual Desktop Access) screen reading software. This includes questions and discussion about the code, user experience, design and documentation, both between regular developers and new or potential developers.

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: add-on for accessing the system tray

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually I was never taught that in my training classes. I learned these things years and years and years after I got my training. In fact I was told, never press enter on a button, ever, it's space or nothing at all, which is what I do 20 years later. All I was told about the sighted keys is "click is space" and that's it.

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On 8 Dec 2020, at 19:04, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Tue, Dec 8, 2020 at 08:54 PM, Gene wrote:
Most blind Windows users do not know that enter is the equivalent of a left double clicck, that space is equivalent of a left single click and that opening the context menu with the context menu key is equivalent to a right mouse click. this simply isn't tought consistently to blind people in general and it is this specific knowledge that is necessary to use the system tray directly.
-
Gene, plain and simple, I call BS!   I have been around screen reader users for well over a decade now, ranging in age from under 15 years old up through individuals in their 80s.  They absolutely do know these things, as a matter of routine, or they'd be unable to function with a screen reader.

You don't have to be explicitly taught, instructed, etc., to figure out certain things you need to know on your own.  Though I will never deny that instruction helps.  I'm just not seeing these broad swaths of unaware individuals.

I'm not new to this dance, and your assertions are in direct contradiction to my observations and experience since 2010.  Your endless plaint that screen reader users cannot be expected to know the very basics of screen reader use is just not borne out in the real world, except in the case of complete neophytes, and that is not the bulk of the demographic that is here on this group, nor on any screen reader user group.  And those who do identify themselves as neophytes, which they need to do when they are, tend to get a lot more guidance and patience than would be warranted otherwise.

And I am completely out of patience with your endless insistence that the complete neophyte or the completely unaware are the common denominator.  They are not.
 
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

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Trying to build NVDA from source using the directions I found on GitHub and having problems with liblouis

matthew dyer <ilovecountrymusic483@...>
 

Hi all,

 

Not sure if this is the list to get the help for this, but with some extra time on my hands, thought I would try learning how to run and build nvda from source.  I find that I do just fine except that scons complains about liblooies.  Here is the output I get.  I will try to clean it up so it is not so long.  I tried to get a copy of liblooies but did not find a way to install it so that it would find it during the build prosses.  And now here is the output.

Creating 'build\x86\liblouis\liblouis.h'

clang-cl /Fobuild\x86\liblouis\compileTranslationTable.c.obj /c include\liblouis\liblouis\compileTranslationTable.c /W2 /D_CRT_SECURE_NO_DEPRECATE /DLOGLEVEL=15 /D_WIN32_WINNT=_WIN32_WINNT_WIN7 /DNDEBUG /D_CRT_NONSTDC_NO_DEPRECATE /DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"3.15.0\" /DWIDECHARS_ARE_UCS4 /D_EXPORTING /Ibuild\x86\liblouis /Iinclude\liblouis\liblouis /Iinclude /Imiscdeps\include /Ibuild\x86 /Z7

'clang-cl' is not recognized as an internal or external command,

operable program or batch file.

scons: *** [build\x86\liblouis\compileTranslationTable.c.obj] Error 1

scons: building terminated because of errors.

PS C:\Users\ilove\nvda>

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