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NVDA snd System Access, not a good combination

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Hi all,
This might not be worth it anymore depending on the future of System
Access, but if System Access stays around, I think this should be
fixed if at all possible. The problem is that if you inadvertantly or
maybe even deliberately fire up System Access and NVDA at the same
time, the whole system slows down to a point where it becomes almost
unusable. Alt-tab doesn't work as expected, and applications that
should run smoothly suddenly stop responding. The other thing that
almost always happens is modifiers in NVDA quit working, making it
quite hard to shut down NVDA once it is running. In my case, I still
use System Access to go, and it happens to me most frequently when
I've just shut down SA. This morning was a perfect example. I had
System Access open in IE, and a stream open in Firefox. As I wanted to
make a call on my Google Voice number, the plan was to close IE,
shutting down SA, then fire up NVDA, and switch to Voice in the
existing Firefox window. I closed IE, and System Access shut down as
expected, or so I thought. I fired up NVDA, switched to Firefox, and
went to Google Voice, though sometimes the effect is right away, such
that I won't even be able to do that. Not long after, I noticed a
dramatic slow down in performance. The solution is to open task
manager, make sure more details are showing, and go down to background
processes. System Access will still be running as a background
process, which needs to be ended in order for performance to return to
normal.
This is just where it's most likely to happen to me, but in general,
performance should not be this degraded when trying to run two screen
readers. System Access and Narrator don't behave like this, nor do
NVDA and Narrator.
Bob


Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Gene
 

I don't know how your class is set up. In the zoom meetings I have participated in, members can see the list of participants.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 5:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom



Nope. I'm saying I probably cannot test this tomorrow as I'm not teaching the class, just taking taking it, and I don't think you can view the people in the class unless you are host. I'm glad there is a work around though inc in my zoom class I want to teach one day gets over 7 people..

--

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On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:22, Gene wrote:



Are you saying you don't think you can use read current line in the class for some reason?

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom



I'll have to try this the next time I'm in my class of about 125 people. Or not. I'm taking not teaching the class, so I don't think I'll be able to test the work around. Let me know before tomorrow, please.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:13, Gene wrote:



I believe it was reported that my suggestion of using reade current line to read the names works around the problem. That would be much more efficient than trying to make the parts of the list read unlessor until the problem is solved. If you use NVDA and don't know how to read the current line conveniently when moving in a case like this, ask here. It can be done so conveniently that you won't mind the problem to any extent.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Unfortunately it doesn't help. I am having the exact same issue.

Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi


The link to the add on is found at
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html
<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html>

I am guessing if they have done a add on for it hopefully some of those
problems will go away.


Gene nz


On 10/12/2020 7:30 am, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



No, I do not have the Zoom add-on. I could install that and try again
before my next meeting.

On 12/8/20, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:



Hi


Is that with the zoom add on you still get that result or is it without
it?


Gene nz


On 9/12/2020 4:26 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



I am in a Zoom meeting right now, and can confirm that NVDA does not
speak when arrowing down after six participants. Interestingly, if you
go to the bottom of the list and use your up arrow, the same thing
happens. I waited several seconds before pressing the arrow key again,
and NVDA never spoke.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:



When testing a problem like this, it may be helpful to test for such
things.

Assuming that something is or isn't happening may lead to an incorrect
description of a problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to focus
on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen reader, no
matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several seconds after
arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem whatsoever. I may
have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around with this if that
meeting happens.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:



How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally
something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech
is
delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear what
was
going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps ten
seconds,

I

would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech stops
or

is

very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I
may
when

I attend another meeting.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:



What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the
current
line. You can also try reading the current line of the navigator
object,
in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the laptop layout.
You
may

not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the
names
as

you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I
mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bob
Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up
arrow
when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down arrow
again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat that
process
again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two additional
issues
with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA
does
not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things normally,
but
if

you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then
the
host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells you
that
the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will
press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down
the
list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and
Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no
avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what
can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.


Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Sarah k Alawami
 

Nope. I'm saying I probably cannot test this tomorrow as I'm not teaching the class, just taking taking it, and I don't think you can view the people in the class unless you are host. I'm glad there is a work around though inc in my zoom class I want to teach one day gets over 7 people..

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:22, Gene wrote:

Are you saying you don't think you can use read current line in the class for some reason?

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom



I'll have to try this the next time I'm in my class of about 125 people. Or not. I'm taking not teaching the class, so I don't think I'll be able to test the work around. Let me know before tomorrow, please.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:13, Gene wrote:



I believe it was reported that my suggestion of using reade current line to read the names works around the problem. That would be much more efficient than trying to make the parts of the list read unlessor until the problem is solved. If you use NVDA and don't know how to read the current line conveniently when moving in a case like this, ask here. It can be done so conveniently that you won't mind the problem to any extent.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Unfortunately it doesn't help. I am having the exact same issue.

Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi


The link to the add on is found at
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html
<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html>

I am guessing if they have done a add on for it hopefully some of those
problems will go away.


Gene nz


On 10/12/2020 7:30 am, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



No, I do not have the Zoom add-on. I could install that and try again
before my next meeting.

On 12/8/20, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:



Hi


Is that with the zoom add on you still get that result or is it without
it?


Gene nz


On 9/12/2020 4:26 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



I am in a Zoom meeting right now, and can confirm that NVDA does not
speak when arrowing down after six participants. Interestingly, if you
go to the bottom of the list and use your up arrow, the same thing
happens. I waited several seconds before pressing the arrow key again,
and NVDA never spoke.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:



When testing a problem like this, it may be helpful to test for such
things.

Assuming that something is or isn't happening may lead to an incorrect
description of a problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to focus
on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen reader, no
matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several seconds after
arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem whatsoever. I may
have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around with this if that
meeting happens.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:



How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally
something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech
is
delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear what
was
going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps ten
seconds,

I

would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech stops
or

is

very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I
may
when

I attend another meeting.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:



What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the
current
line. You can also try reading the current line of the navigator
object,
in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the laptop layout.
You
may

not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the
names
as

you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I
mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bob
Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up
arrow
when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down arrow
again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat that
process
again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two additional
issues
with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA
does
not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things normally,
but
if

you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then
the
host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells you
that
the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@...> wrote:



Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will
press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down
the
list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and
Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no
avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what
can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.



















update on my Gmail issue

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Hi all,
I just discovered something that is a little strange. The contacts
list in Gmail's basic HTML view is also a table, and NVDA reads names
associated with the checkboxes on that page, but not when browsing
messages.
Bob


Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Gene
 

Are you saying you don't think you can use read current line in the class for some reason?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom



I'll have to try this the next time I'm in my class of about 125 people. Or not. I'm taking not teaching the class, so I don't think I'll be able to test the work around. Let me know before tomorrow, please.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:13, Gene wrote:



I believe it was reported that my suggestion of using reade current line to read the names works around the problem. That would be much more efficient than trying to make the parts of the list read unlessor until the problem is solved. If you use NVDA and don't know how to read the current line conveniently when moving in a case like this, ask here. It can be done so conveniently that you won't mind the problem to any extent.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Unfortunately it doesn't help. I am having the exact same issue.

Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi


The link to the add on is found at
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html
<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html>

I am guessing if they have done a add on for it hopefully some of those
problems will go away.


Gene nz


On 10/12/2020 7:30 am, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



No, I do not have the Zoom add-on. I could install that and try again
before my next meeting.

On 12/8/20, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:



Hi


Is that with the zoom add on you still get that result or is it without
it?


Gene nz


On 9/12/2020 4:26 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



I am in a Zoom meeting right now, and can confirm that NVDA does not
speak when arrowing down after six participants. Interestingly, if you
go to the bottom of the list and use your up arrow, the same thing
happens. I waited several seconds before pressing the arrow key again,
and NVDA never spoke.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:



When testing a problem like this, it may be helpful to test for such
things.

Assuming that something is or isn't happening may lead to an incorrect
description of a problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to focus
on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen reader, no
matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several seconds after
arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem whatsoever. I may
have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around with this if that
meeting happens.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:



How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally
something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech
is
delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear what
was
going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps ten
seconds,

I

would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech stops
or

is

very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I
may
when

I attend another meeting.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:



What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the
current
line. You can also try reading the current line of the navigator
object,
in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the laptop layout.
You
may

not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the
names
as

you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I
mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bob
Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up
arrow
when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down arrow
again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat that
process
again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two additional
issues
with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA
does
not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things normally,
but
if

you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then
the
host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells you
that
the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will
press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down
the
list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and
Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no
avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what
can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.


Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Sarah k Alawami
 

I'll have to try this the next time I'm in my class of about 125 people. Or not. I'm taking not teaching the class, so I don't think I'll be able to test the work around. Let me know before tomorrow, please.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:13, Gene wrote:

I believe it was reported that my suggestion of using reade current line to read the names works around the problem. That would be much more efficient than trying to make the parts of the list read unlessor until the problem is solved. If you use NVDA and don't know how to read the current line conveniently when moving in a case like this, ask here. It can be done so conveniently that you won't mind the problem to any extent.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Unfortunately it doesn't help. I am having the exact same issue.

Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi


The link to the add on is found at
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html
<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html>

I am guessing if they have done a add on for it hopefully some of those
problems will go away.


Gene nz


On 10/12/2020 7:30 am, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

No, I do not have the Zoom add-on. I could install that and try again
before my next meeting.

On 12/8/20, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi


Is that with the zoom add on you still get that result or is it without
it?


Gene nz


On 9/12/2020 4:26 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

I am in a Zoom meeting right now, and can confirm that NVDA does not
speak when arrowing down after six participants. Interestingly, if you
go to the bottom of the list and use your up arrow, the same thing
happens. I waited several seconds before pressing the arrow key again,
and NVDA never spoke.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

When testing a problem like this, it may be helpful to test for such
things.

Assuming that something is or isn't happening may lead to an incorrect
description of a problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to focus
on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen reader, no
matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several seconds after
arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem whatsoever. I may
have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around with this if that
meeting happens.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally
something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech
is
delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear what
was
going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps ten
seconds,

I

would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech stops
or

is

very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I
may
when

I attend another meeting.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:

What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the
current
line. You can also try reading the current line of the navigator
object,
in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the laptop layout.
You
may

not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the
names
as

you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I
mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bob
Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up
arrow
when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down arrow
again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat that
process
again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two additional
issues
with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA
does
not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things normally,
but
if

you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then
the
host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells you
that
the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@...> wrote:

Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will
press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down
the
list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and
Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no
avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what
can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.







Re: add-on for accessing the system tray

Sarah k Alawami
 

Not to confuse anyone even more but, if you have the show all icons, or the customize icons thing and you have all icons, the overflow area will, I don't think, be there. I also use windows plus b a lot, I don't even need the list thing anymore as I know how to actually right click with the mouse as sometimes I have to in order to access stuff.

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On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:05, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 07:32 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
You will encounter an icon announced as “Notification Chevron button”, press spacebar to activate this, then press left arrow.
-
As an aside, once you have focus on the system tray portion of the taskbar (WinKey+B) any one of the arrow keys will traverse it, circling back to the beginning when it hits whatever is the last item.  Of course, if you're using up arrow and overshoot something, using down arrow will take you back to it.  Same concept if you were using left/right arrow for traversal.

The items in the overflow area will be included in the traversal only if spacebar or enter is used when on the notification chevron button to expand it, and it will remain expanded unless you have focus on it again and hit spacebar or enter (the notification chevron button is a toggle, and behaves much like a dropdown list in certain ways).
 
--

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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Gene
 

I believe it was reported that my suggestion of using reade current line to read the names works around the problem. That would be much more efficient than trying to make the parts of the list read unlessor until the problem is solved. If you use NVDA and don't know how to read the current line conveniently when moving in a case like this, ask here. It can be done so conveniently that you won't mind the problem to any extent.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Unfortunately it doesn't help. I am having the exact same issue.

Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi


The link to the add on is found at
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html
<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html>

I am guessing if they have done a add on for it hopefully some of those
problems will go away.


Gene nz


On 10/12/2020 7:30 am, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
No, I do not have the Zoom add-on. I could install that and try again
before my next meeting.

On 12/8/20, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


Is that with the zoom add on you still get that result or is it without
it?


Gene nz


On 9/12/2020 4:26 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
I am in a Zoom meeting right now, and can confirm that NVDA does not
speak when arrowing down after six participants. Interestingly, if you
go to the bottom of the list and use your up arrow, the same thing
happens. I waited several seconds before pressing the arrow key again,
and NVDA never spoke.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
When testing a problem like this, it may be helpful to test for such
things.

Assuming that something is or isn't happening may lead to an incorrect
description of a problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to focus
on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen reader, no
matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several seconds after
arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem whatsoever. I may
have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around with this if that
meeting happens.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally
something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech
is
delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear what
was
going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps ten
seconds,

I

would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech stops
or

is

very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I
may
when

I attend another meeting.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:
What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the
current
line. You can also try reading the current line of the navigator
object,
in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the laptop layout.
You
may

not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the
names
as

you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I
mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bob
Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up
arrow
when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down arrow
again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat that
process
again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two additional
issues
with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA
does
not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things normally,
but
if

you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then
the
host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells you
that
the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will
press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down
the
list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and
Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no
avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what
can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.



































Re: add-on for accessing the system tray

 

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 07:32 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:
You will encounter an icon announced as “Notification Chevron button”, press spacebar to activate this, then press left arrow.
-
As an aside, once you have focus on the system tray portion of the taskbar (WinKey+B) any one of the arrow keys will traverse it, circling back to the beginning when it hits whatever is the last item.  Of course, if you're using up arrow and overshoot something, using down arrow will take you back to it.  Same concept if you were using left/right arrow for traversal.

The items in the overflow area will be included in the traversal only if spacebar or enter is used when on the notification chevron button to expand it, and it will remain expanded unless you have focus on it again and hit spacebar or enter (the notification chevron button is a toggle, and behaves much like a dropdown list in certain ways).
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: add-on for accessing the system tray

Vickie Andrada
 

I love using the system tray. So it's needed for me lol. If they didn't have it I'd learn to get on without it, but I've used the system tray for years, and am personally glad there is an add on for it.

Vicki

On 12/8/2020 6:24 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Its a nice add-on, but not needed. WIN key B regardless of whatever screen reader you use is great.

On 12/8/2020 6:21 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi everyone,
I remember hearing from another user that I need an add-on to access
the system tray by pressing NVDA+F11. Can someone please send me the
link to that add-on? This is something else that I think should be
built into NVDA.
Thanks,
Bob







Re: nvda and amazon music

Vickie Andrada
 

If you do use the iPhone, the Amazon music app there is pretty good. But if not, of course that won't help you. I've not used it on the computer.

Vicki

On 12/4/2020 12:42 AM, Lino Morales wrote:

Oh I hate that app. I'm assuming your using the desktop app? That app needs work as far as accessibility is concerned. A lot of unlabeled buttons.

On 12/3/2020 10:59 PM, heike67 wrote:
does anyone have experience with amazon music? i can't edit my playlist there. nvda tells me that it is an embedded object and i press the enter key as i read in the user manual. now i should be able to navigate in this object, but nvda just says <grid>, whatever that means. it would be nice if someone could help.


Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Jonathan Milam
 

Unfortunately it doesn't help. I am having the exact same issue.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi


The link to the add on is found at
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html
<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html>

I am guessing if they have done a add on for it hopefully some of those
problems will go away.


Gene nz


On 10/12/2020 7:30 am, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
No, I do not have the Zoom add-on. I could install that and try again
before my next meeting.

On 12/8/20, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


Is that with the zoom add on you still get that result or is it without
it?


Gene nz


On 9/12/2020 4:26 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
I am in a Zoom meeting right now, and can confirm that NVDA does not
speak when arrowing down after six participants. Interestingly, if you
go to the bottom of the list and use your up arrow, the same thing
happens. I waited several seconds before pressing the arrow key again,
and NVDA never spoke.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
When testing a problem like this, it may be helpful to test for such
things.

Assuming that something is or isn't happening may lead to an incorrect
description of a problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to focus
on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen reader, no
matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several seconds after
arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem whatsoever. I may
have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around with this if that
meeting happens.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally
something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech
is
delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear what
was
going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps ten
seconds,

I

would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech stops
or

is

very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I
may
when

I attend another meeting.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:
What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the
current
line. You can also try reading the current line of the navigator
object,
in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the laptop layout.
You
may

not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the
names
as

you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I
mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bob
Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up
arrow
when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down arrow
again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat that
process
again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two additional
issues
with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA
does
not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things normally,
but
if

you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then
the
host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells you
that
the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will
press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down
the
list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and
Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no
avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what
can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.



































Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


The link to the add on is found at https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html <https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html>

I am guessing if they have done a add on for it hopefully some of those problems will go away.


Gene nz

On 10/12/2020 7:30 am, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
No, I do not have the Zoom add-on. I could install that and try again
before my next meeting.

On 12/8/20, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


Is that with the zoom add on you still get that result or is it without it?


Gene nz


On 9/12/2020 4:26 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
I am in a Zoom meeting right now, and can confirm that NVDA does not
speak when arrowing down after six participants. Interestingly, if you
go to the bottom of the list and use your up arrow, the same thing
happens. I waited several seconds before pressing the arrow key again,
and NVDA never spoke.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
When testing a problem like this, it may be helpful to test for such
things.

Assuming that something is or isn't happening may lead to an incorrect
description of a problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to focus
on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen reader, no
matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several seconds after
arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem whatsoever. I may
have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around with this if that
meeting happens.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally
something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech is
delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear what was
going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps ten
seconds,

I

would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech stops
or

is

very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I may
when

I attend another meeting.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:
What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the current
line. You can also try reading the current line of the navigator
object,
in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the laptop layout. You
may

not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the names
as

you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I
mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bob
Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up arrow
when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down arrow
again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat that
process
again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two additional
issues
with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA
does
not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things normally, but
if

you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then
the
host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells you
that
the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down
the
list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no
avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.


































Re: Spellcheck: How do I read the misspelled word in context?

benmoxey@...
 

Hi Ann

Try these two methods and see which works for you.

1. When you find a word in the spell check pain and you need to know the
context, use Shift + F6 to cycle back to the document pain. You should find
yourself on the line where the error has been detected. Move your cursor to
the error and use the Applications key (or Shift + F10) to choose from a
list of suggestions or you can correct manually. Press F6 to cycle forward
to the spell check pain and continue as normal. Note that you typically need
to hit "Resume" to find the next error.

2. From the top of the document, activate Browse mode by using the toggle
NVDA + Space. Then, simply press W to move to the next misspelled word or
Shift + W to move to the previous. Hit the Applications key to view a list
of corrections. Note that you must toggle back to Focus mode if you want to
correct manually with NVDA + Space, and return to Browse mode to continue
the process. Further, this method will only find misspelled words and will
not identify grammatical errors.

Hope this helps!

All the best.

Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, 9 December 2020 9:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Spellcheck: Howe do I read the mispelled word in context

when checking a document for spelling, how do I get NVDA to read the
sentence the word belongs to? Advanced versions of Word do offer their own
solution, but in 2013 there is no external voicing of the sentence.


Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Bob Cavanaugh
 

No, I do not have the Zoom add-on. I could install that and try again
before my next meeting.

On 12/8/20, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


Is that with the zoom add on you still get that result or is it without it?


Gene nz


On 9/12/2020 4:26 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
I am in a Zoom meeting right now, and can confirm that NVDA does not
speak when arrowing down after six participants. Interestingly, if you
go to the bottom of the list and use your up arrow, the same thing
happens. I waited several seconds before pressing the arrow key again,
and NVDA never spoke.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
When testing a problem like this, it may be helpful to test for such
things.

Assuming that something is or isn't happening may lead to an incorrect
description of a problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to focus
on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen reader, no
matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several seconds after
arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem whatsoever. I may
have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around with this if that
meeting happens.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally
something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech is
delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear what was
going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps ten
seconds,

I

would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech stops
or

is

very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I may
when

I attend another meeting.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:
What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the current
line. You can also try reading the current line of the navigator
object,
in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the laptop layout. You
may

not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the names
as

you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I
mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bob
Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up arrow
when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down arrow
again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat that
process
again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two additional
issues
with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA
does
not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things normally, but
if

you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then
the
host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells you
that
the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down
the
list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no
avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.






































Odd arrow keys and speak current character behavior with MinTTY under Windows Subsystem for Linux

Dan Miner
 

Just wanted to check to see if I am doing something wrong but I am having troubles editing shell commands with minty in any environment that uses it so far (Git for Windows, msys2 and WSLTTY).

 

I just installed the latest versions of Git for Windows, msys2 and WSLTTY in the last week And ran across a “consistent” problem.  I am using bash in its default configuration from these packages (Ubuntu 20.04.1 for WSL2).

 

 

The initial set up to reproduce problem (keeping it simple):

 

Type: echo hi

 

Without hitting return and intending to edit that line, changing hi (all lowercase) to Hi (with a capital H).

 

Press left arrow and “space” is spoken” and if you continue hitting the left or right arrows, you will always get “space” said.  So, it is easy to get lost as none of the under lying characters are spoken.  Thus, I hit the speak current character (Keypad 2) and I get an inconsistent spoken output of “space” or the character under the cursor.  Typical instances it will alternate between the two states and one time I got repeating twice.  To clarify, it would say “space”, “space” “h”, “h”, and cycle back to “space”.  But in this simple example and movement, it will likely just alternate back and forth between “space” and the letter (“I” in this case).

 

A partial workaround I have found is using bash’s readline advanced editing keys.  If I use control+left arrow and move by word, NVDA will speak the words as expected.  However, I still have to deal with arrow key problem and speak character issues within the word of interest.

 

Is anyone seeing this behavior?  It has been going on for many versions of NVDA (easily a year).

 

As sanity check, the standard cmd console behaves as expected with these features.

 

    Dan


Re: NVDA and Data Harvest Q Advanced Data Logger by Easy Sense

 

Topic title updated for archival and clarity purposes.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


NVDA and Data Harvest Q Advanced Data Logger by Easy Sense

Jo Collingwood
 

Has anyone used a Data harvest Q advanced data logger by Easy sense with NVDA? Are they compatible together?We’ve downloaded the software and NVDA reads the tool bar but then just says Button when trying to read the data.


Re: How do I copy tables from a webpage while preserving their formatting

 

Depending on the browser you're using, there are also extensions/add-ons to make table selection, or part of table selection, easier.  Many of them have keyboard shortcuts associated with their actions.

Also be aware that preservation of formatting between an HTML table on a webpage an when it's pasted in to a Word document is not 100% flawless.  I just did a sighted selection of one of the tables on the page you referenced earlier, and when pasted in to word the 2nd and 3rd columns had their text placed at the bottom of the respective columns rather than the top, which is how they are presented on the webpage itself.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Listing links in Word

Ann Byrne
 

thanks. I thought there would be a trick.

At 09:23 AM 12/9/2020, you wrote:
You must first enter in browse mode with NVDA+space.


Rui Fontes


Às 15:15 de 09/12/2020, Ann Byrne escreveu:
When I press insert+f7 in Word, instead of a list of links I am placed in spell check. Does insert+f7 not list links in programs other than internet browsers? Am I missing a trick?

Thanks





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