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Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

Gene
 

This may be of no concern but the download instructions on the web site say the following:

When you install FreeOffice, the icons for common document formats such as DOCX, XLSX and PPTX are assigned to FreeOffice. If you do not like our icon style, you can easily restore the previous icons by running this script:
sudo /usr/share/freeoffice2018/mime/remove_icons.sh


The instructions, from the quick look I gave them, are about Linux and perhaps about another installation but I didn't see anything about Windows.


The change in icons, I suspect, doesn't affect accessibility.  I'm pointing this out in case it does and in case the script doesn't function properly on Windows machines.  Since I didn't see anything about Windows, I don't know if the script should be run.


Gene

On 12/10/2020 3:53 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
By the way, I am back to strongly recommending SoftMaker Free Office as an alternative to Microsoft Office for those who need only a word processor, spreadsheet, and presentation manager.  It has the added bonus of running under Windows, Linux, and on the Mac.

Now, this strong recommendation comes with several provisos:

1.  When you first start any one of the programs, you are asked what user interface style you want, but nothing is announced for each of the three choices for ribbon options nor for each of the two options for menu-driven options.

2.  The ribbon interface is absolutely, positively NOT accessible with NVDA.  I presume this is a problem with SoftMaker's software.

3.  From the testing I've done, the menu-driven user interface (UI) is 100% accessible with NVDA, which is what makes this suite an option.

You would want a sighted assistant right after install so that when you fire up any one of the three programs, TextMaker (word processor), PlanMaker (spreadsheet), or Presentations (equivalent of PowerPoint) as that's the point at which the user interface choice is made.  Making it for any one of the three makes that choice apply to the other two as well, or at least it did for me.

This suite is the most like MS-Word of any that I have worked with, and now that it appears it is accessible if the menu-driven UI is chosen, it's worth another look.  If anyone tries it, and finds accessibility stumbling blocks with the menu-driven UI, please report back on where it is/they are occurring.  There's no way I can get beyond basic testing and dig in to each and every option in each and every menu.

You can have SoftMaker Office save the files it creates in Microsoft document formats and set this up as the default.  But the initial default is not the Microsoft formats, but it's own.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 
Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

David Goldfield
 

Hi. Office Home and Student normally sells for just under $150.00 but it's currently still on sale for a little under $100.00. Comes with Word, Excel and Powerpoint. 

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/10/2020 5:50 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hmmm I could be interested in softmaker office as an alternitive.

I don't need office as such but I may need it later on.

The more I think about it, the only addition I would really need would be the home and student addition which while a little steap in price at 250 is at least affordable as long as thats all I ever need.

There are software places like buy.recycled.com which are supposed to be selling legal recycled software, but it really doesn't matter to much as long as I get something that works for dolphin converter.

Which needs 2010 or higher.

Crazy thing is that if I handle upgrades right I may be able to get an old 2007 office install disk with 3 keys on it but thats really old.

I have been contemplating office 360, the only reason I am not for that as such is I don't really need or use office on a daily type deal.

I have jarte pro for most things.

I wander if softmaker have been approached on the interface type ddeals.



On 11/12/2020 10:53 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
By the way, I am back to strongly recommending SoftMaker Free Office as an alternative to Microsoft Office for those who need only a word processor, spreadsheet, and presentation manager.  It has the added bonus of running under Windows, Linux, and on the Mac.

Now, this strong recommendation comes with several provisos:

1.  When you first start any one of the programs, you are asked what user interface style you want, but nothing is announced for each of the three choices for ribbon options nor for each of the two options for menu-driven options.

2.  The ribbon interface is absolutely, positively NOT accessible with NVDA.  I presume this is a problem with SoftMaker's software.

3.  From the testing I've done, the menu-driven user interface (UI) is 100% accessible with NVDA, which is what makes this suite an option.

You would want a sighted assistant right after install so that when you fire up any one of the three programs, TextMaker (word processor), PlanMaker (spreadsheet), or Presentations (equivalent of PowerPoint) as that's the point at which the user interface choice is made.  Making it for any one of the three makes that choice apply to the other two as well, or at least it did for me.

This suite is the most like MS-Word of any that I have worked with, and now that it appears it is accessible if the menu-driven UI is chosen, it's worth another look.  If anyone tries it, and finds accessibility stumbling blocks with the menu-driven UI, please report back on where it is/they are occurring.  There's no way I can get beyond basic testing and dig in to each and every option in each and every menu.

You can have SoftMaker Office save the files it creates in Microsoft document formats and set this up as the default.  But the initial default is not the Microsoft formats, but it's own.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 
Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

David Goldfield
 

I'll definitely report back on what I find and will try the equivalent of object navigation on other screen readers. Otherwise, I'll get assistance from AIRA. 

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/10/2020 5:49 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

David,

           Just for the record, I have written to SoftMaker identifying the accessibility issues I've listed, so I'll definitely try to remember to post again if I get a response.

           I guess it's possible that object navigation might help, but I'm doubting it based on what I can see.  I can move around using the standard TAB/SHIFT+TAB conventions in the choose UI dialog, but nothing is spoken.

           LibreOffice is a great product.  The main reason I like SoftMaker Office is due to just how much its look and feel is like MS Office.  For those who don't want to buy MS-Office, but who still really would prefer to stick with MS-Office, this is as close as you can get without being there, particularly if you can see.  Since the ribbon interface does not work with NVDA, that means the look and feel will be slightly different going back to a menu driven interface, but some seem to want that anyway, and you can't get it in MS-Office.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 
Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

Shaun Everiss
 

Hmmm I could be interested in softmaker office as an alternitive.

I don't need office as such but I may need it later on.

The more I think about it, the only addition I would really need would be the home and student addition which while a little steap in price at 250 is at least affordable as long as thats all I ever need.

There are software places like buy.recycled.com which are supposed to be selling legal recycled software, but it really doesn't matter to much as long as I get something that works for dolphin converter.

Which needs 2010 or higher.

Crazy thing is that if I handle upgrades right I may be able to get an old 2007 office install disk with 3 keys on it but thats really old.

I have been contemplating office 360, the only reason I am not for that as such is I don't really need or use office on a daily type deal.

I have jarte pro for most things.

I wander if softmaker have been approached on the interface type ddeals.



On 11/12/2020 10:53 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
By the way, I am back to strongly recommending SoftMaker Free Office as an alternative to Microsoft Office for those who need only a word processor, spreadsheet, and presentation manager.  It has the added bonus of running under Windows, Linux, and on the Mac.

Now, this strong recommendation comes with several provisos:

1.  When you first start any one of the programs, you are asked what user interface style you want, but nothing is announced for each of the three choices for ribbon options nor for each of the two options for menu-driven options.

2.  The ribbon interface is absolutely, positively NOT accessible with NVDA.  I presume this is a problem with SoftMaker's software.

3.  From the testing I've done, the menu-driven user interface (UI) is 100% accessible with NVDA, which is what makes this suite an option.

You would want a sighted assistant right after install so that when you fire up any one of the three programs, TextMaker (word processor), PlanMaker (spreadsheet), or Presentations (equivalent of PowerPoint) as that's the point at which the user interface choice is made.  Making it for any one of the three makes that choice apply to the other two as well, or at least it did for me.

This suite is the most like MS-Word of any that I have worked with, and now that it appears it is accessible if the menu-driven UI is chosen, it's worth another look.  If anyone tries it, and finds accessibility stumbling blocks with the menu-driven UI, please report back on where it is/they are occurring.  There's no way I can get beyond basic testing and dig in to each and every option in each and every menu.

You can have SoftMaker Office save the files it creates in Microsoft document formats and set this up as the default.  But the initial default is not the Microsoft formats, but it's own.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 
Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

Brian Vogel
 

David,

           Just for the record, I have written to SoftMaker identifying the accessibility issues I've listed, so I'll definitely try to remember to post again if I get a response.

           I guess it's possible that object navigation might help, but I'm doubting it based on what I can see.  I can move around using the standard TAB/SHIFT+TAB conventions in the choose UI dialog, but nothing is spoken.

           LibreOffice is a great product.  The main reason I like SoftMaker Office is due to just how much its look and feel is like MS Office.  For those who don't want to buy MS-Office, but who still really would prefer to stick with MS-Office, this is as close as you can get without being there, particularly if you can see.  Since the ribbon interface does not work with NVDA, that means the look and feel will be slightly different going back to a menu driven interface, but some seem to want that anyway, and you can't get it in MS-Office.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 
Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

David Goldfield
 

Brian,
I appreciate the recommendation. I may give this program a try. I'm wondering if NVDA's object navigation commands can be used to select the user interface. I'll report back with findings although, for me, I'm fairly content with LibreOffice as an Office alternative for the things I use it for. 
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/10/2020 4:53 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

By the way, I am back to strongly recommending SoftMaker Free Office as an alternative to Microsoft Office for those who need only a word processor, spreadsheet, and presentation manager.  It has the added bonus of running under Windows, Linux, and on the Mac.

Now, this strong recommendation comes with several provisos:

1.  When you first start any one of the programs, you are asked what user interface style you want, but nothing is announced for each of the three choices for ribbon options nor for each of the two options for menu-driven options.

2.  The ribbon interface is absolutely, positively NOT accessible with NVDA.  I presume this is a problem with SoftMaker's software.

3.  From the testing I've done, the menu-driven user interface (UI) is 100% accessible with NVDA, which is what makes this suite an option.

You would want a sighted assistant right after install so that when you fire up any one of the three programs, TextMaker (word processor), PlanMaker (spreadsheet), or Presentations (equivalent of PowerPoint) as that's the point at which the user interface choice is made.  Making it for any one of the three makes that choice apply to the other two as well, or at least it did for me.

This suite is the most like MS-Word of any that I have worked with, and now that it appears it is accessible if the menu-driven UI is chosen, it's worth another look.  If anyone tries it, and finds accessibility stumbling blocks with the menu-driven UI, please report back on where it is/they are occurring.  There's no way I can get beyond basic testing and dig in to each and every option in each and every menu.

You can have SoftMaker Office save the files it creates in Microsoft document formats and set this up as the default.  But the initial default is not the Microsoft formats, but it's own.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 
locked Re: issues with memory, dell computer, and real tech sound drivers?

Brian Vogel
 

Melissa,

           This topic is not, in any meaningful way, NVDA-related.  You report that it occurs regardless of the screen reader in use.

           There have been several recent topics on the Windows 10 for Screen Readers group in relation to Dell hardware, including:

  1. Windows Audio Device Graph Isolation (original, and very long - 39 messages)
  2. Dell Driver issue continued
  3. Brand of PC - Any ones more compatible with screen readers than others?

and another on this group, now locked, because it became clear this is not an NVDA issue:  RAM Problem with Dell computers that have Realtek HD Audio Driver, and NVDA or JAWS (20 messages).

This is an issue that, ultimately, only Dell can solve.  Realtek is used so widely across manufacturers, including the same sound cards, that if it were a Realtek problem it should be occurring much more often than it is.

This topic is now locked.  Any further discussion of this topic should occur on the Chat Subgroup or elsewhere.
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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 
locked Re: issues with memory, dell computer, and real tech sound drivers?

Sam Taylor
 

If you are getting Not Enough Memory errors, have you examined how your PageFile is being managed?

https://www.techbout.com/not-enough-memory-to-complete-this-operation-windows-10-56943/

Cheers

Sam


On 11/12/2020 8:17 am, Melissa Jean wrote:
Hi,
I've been having issues with my new dell latitude 5511 laptop since I
got it in September.
I cannot run more than 1 program at a time for longer than an hour or
so because my screen reader will just lock up and stop talking. I get
this with JAWS and NVDA. When I was still doing school, I would be
working in word, saving it, and sometimes find that it didn't even
save the work I was doing. I would get errors saying "not enough
memory to run this process" when working with chrome or Firefox.
The only thing I could do is to force shut down and reboot. My
computer gets hot, like I'm running something really intensive with
it. But, I'm not... most of the time I'm just running my MUD client or
just reading my email in Chrome/Firefox.
I saw an email here a week or so ago saying it could be the real tech
drivers. I used be my eyes to facetime/remote connect with MS
disability and there were no other choices for the sound drivers but
real tech. Someone, Luke I believe, mentioned switching to the default
windows HD sound drivers. Since I couldn't do that I updated the
drivers for real tech, they had an update Oct 27. It worked fine until
December 5 th when windows updated itself, though I have this off and
it's another story, so my problems reverted.
I ran for a week or so with no problems and all of the sudden it is
back to what it was before. I used to be able to have a couple of word
docs open, a browser, and some folders, like a normal person and I'm
back now to running one program and having to reboot all the time.
The laptop has perfect ventilation, I have two us fans blowing on it
and it's practically vertical on a laptop stand since I use an
external keyboard.
If anyone has any suggestions for me I would appreciate them because
it seems to have MS stumped and anyone I talk to stumped as well.
I have the latest version of windows 10, JAWS, and NVDA 2020.2 or 1 I
believe. I stopped updating NVDA when my synth add on stopped working
and can’t be bothered to try and find a replacement for it. It does
this to me no matter if I’m using JAWS or NVDA.

locked Re: issues with memory, dell computer, and real tech sound drivers?

Gene
 

I wouldn't think this would happen, but I wonder if the Windows update or some sort of Del update placed the version of the driver in that is causing you problems. If others don't have what may be a better solution, check to see if the update you did previously or a new one is available.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Melissa Jean
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2020 4:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] issues with memory, dell computer, and real tech sound drivers?

Hi,
I've been having issues with my new dell latitude 5511 laptop since I
got it in September.
I cannot run more than 1 program at a time for longer than an hour or
so because my screen reader will just lock up and stop talking. I get
this with JAWS and NVDA. When I was still doing school, I would be
working in word, saving it, and sometimes find that it didn't even
save the work I was doing. I would get errors saying "not enough
memory to run this process" when working with chrome or Firefox.
The only thing I could do is to force shut down and reboot. My
computer gets hot, like I'm running something really intensive with
it. But, I'm not... most of the time I'm just running my MUD client or
just reading my email in Chrome/Firefox.
I saw an email here a week or so ago saying it could be the real tech
drivers. I used be my eyes to facetime/remote connect with MS
disability and there were no other choices for the sound drivers but
real tech. Someone, Luke I believe, mentioned switching to the default
windows HD sound drivers. Since I couldn't do that I updated the
drivers for real tech, they had an update Oct 27. It worked fine until
December 5 th when windows updated itself, though I have this off and
it's another story, so my problems reverted.
I ran for a week or so with no problems and all of the sudden it is
back to what it was before. I used to be able to have a couple of word
docs open, a browser, and some folders, like a normal person and I'm
back now to running one program and having to reboot all the time.
The laptop has perfect ventilation, I have two us fans blowing on it
and it's practically vertical on a laptop stand since I use an
external keyboard.
If anyone has any suggestions for me I would appreciate them because
it seems to have MS stumped and anyone I talk to stumped as well.
I have the latest version of windows 10, JAWS, and NVDA 2020.2 or 1 I
believe. I stopped updating NVDA when my synth add on stopped working
and can’t be bothered to try and find a replacement for it. It does
this to me no matter if I’m using JAWS or NVDA.
locked issues with memory, dell computer, and real tech sound drivers?

Melissa Jean
 

Hi,
I've been having issues with my new dell latitude 5511 laptop since I
got it in September.
I cannot run more than 1 program at a time for longer than an hour or
so because my screen reader will just lock up and stop talking. I get
this with JAWS and NVDA. When I was still doing school, I would be
working in word, saving it, and sometimes find that it didn't even
save the work I was doing. I would get errors saying "not enough
memory to run this process" when working with chrome or Firefox.
The only thing I could do is to force shut down and reboot. My
computer gets hot, like I'm running something really intensive with
it. But, I'm not... most of the time I'm just running my MUD client or
just reading my email in Chrome/Firefox.
I saw an email here a week or so ago saying it could be the real tech
drivers. I used be my eyes to facetime/remote connect with MS
disability and there were no other choices for the sound drivers but
real tech. Someone, Luke I believe, mentioned switching to the default
windows HD sound drivers. Since I couldn't do that I updated the
drivers for real tech, they had an update Oct 27. It worked fine until
December 5 th when windows updated itself, though I have this off and
it's another story, so my problems reverted.
I ran for a week or so with no problems and all of the sudden it is
back to what it was before. I used to be able to have a couple of word
docs open, a browser, and some folders, like a normal person and I'm
back now to running one program and having to reboot all the time.
The laptop has perfect ventilation, I have two us fans blowing on it
and it's practically vertical on a laptop stand since I use an
external keyboard.
If anyone has any suggestions for me I would appreciate them because
it seems to have MS stumped and anyone I talk to stumped as well.
I have the latest version of windows 10, JAWS, and NVDA 2020.2 or 1 I
believe. I stopped updating NVDA when my synth add on stopped working
and can’t be bothered to try and find a replacement for it. It does
this to me no matter if I’m using JAWS or NVDA.
Re: NVDA snd System Access, not a good combination

Richard Wells
 

This problem is not at all limited to System Access. I have seen
multiple situations where I shut down JAWS and the process remained
running. NVDA does it as well, but not as often. Though System Access
development is stopping at the end of the year, it will continue to be
around for a while. It is the only screen access program that will
automatically shut down any other screen reader that is running,
including JAWS, NVDA and Narrator. I too also train those I help to shut
down any screen reader before starting another, even with this System
Access feature.

On 12/9/2020 6:46 PM, Gene wrote:
But if you unload a screen-reader, the process should not be running. 
If this is consistent behavior and it happens on other machines, it is
an error in how System Access is designed.  If it was going to be
around longer, they might correct it but I think it is being withdrawn
at the end of the year.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 6:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA snd System Access, not a good combination

On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 07:29 PM, Gene wrote:
System Access was unloaded but continues to run.-
Which, just for clarity on my side, means it wasn't unloaded.  I use
the term "unloaded," or "exited," to mean the program is not
active/running in either the foreground or background.

I also agree that it is unlikely that any screen reader is going to go
to any effort to fix performance degradation that only occurs if or
when you have another screen reader running with it concurrently. 
It's entirely reasonable to expect that, at any given moment, a screen
reader, not multiple screen readers, will be running.
Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

Brian Vogel
 

By the way, I am back to strongly recommending SoftMaker Free Office as an alternative to Microsoft Office for those who need only a word processor, spreadsheet, and presentation manager.  It has the added bonus of running under Windows, Linux, and on the Mac.

Now, this strong recommendation comes with several provisos:

1.  When you first start any one of the programs, you are asked what user interface style you want, but nothing is announced for each of the three choices for ribbon options nor for each of the two options for menu-driven options.

2.  The ribbon interface is absolutely, positively NOT accessible with NVDA.  I presume this is a problem with SoftMaker's software.

3.  From the testing I've done, the menu-driven user interface (UI) is 100% accessible with NVDA, which is what makes this suite an option.

You would want a sighted assistant right after install so that when you fire up any one of the three programs, TextMaker (word processor), PlanMaker (spreadsheet), or Presentations (equivalent of PowerPoint) as that's the point at which the user interface choice is made.  Making it for any one of the three makes that choice apply to the other two as well, or at least it did for me.

This suite is the most like MS-Word of any that I have worked with, and now that it appears it is accessible if the menu-driven UI is chosen, it's worth another look.  If anyone tries it, and finds accessibility stumbling blocks with the menu-driven UI, please report back on where it is/they are occurring.  There's no way I can get beyond basic testing and dig in to each and every option in each and every menu.

You can have SoftMaker Office save the files it creates in Microsoft document formats and set this up as the default.  But the initial default is not the Microsoft formats, but it's own.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 
Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

Brian Vogel
 

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 04:24 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:
I do that but it displays 123.40 as 123.4. 
-
No snark intended, but "do what?"   I haven't dealt with Calc in a while, but I seem to recall that choosing any of the pre-defined formats with 2 decimal places always showed both.  I also can't imagine, though you can confirm/refute, that setting the Decimal field to two does not always keep two digits after the decimal point showing.  There has got to be a way to do this, as it's a constant need to present data with a fixed number of decimal places.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 
Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Brian

I do that but it displays 123.40 as 123.4.  There is loads of help concerning suppressing leading zeroes but I can’t find anything to do with stopping it dropping trailing zeroes.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 10 December 2020 18:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] libraoffice and nvda

 

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=format+numbers+LibreOffice+Calc 


Formatting number of digits in LibreOffice Calc, MS Excel ... 
      (one can always use the Decimal Places field under options, ticking the number up to whatever you need, too)

Custom Number Format Basics - LibreOffice Calc ...
       (this one covers very "non general" cases where you want to customize all sorts of things about how a number may be presented, including but not limited to having custom text, e.g. "miles," or "quarterly," trailing it.)

Calc: Customize 'General' number format ... - Ask LibreOffice
        (this one gets into customizing the Calc blank spreadsheet template if you want your general number format to constantly be something other than what it defaults to, which is stripped of leading zeros and trailing zero decimals)


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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 

 
Re: TWBlue no longer outputting to NVDA, help

Joshua Tubbs
 

Hmm yeah, but there hasn't been a new update to the snapshot...

On 12/10/20, Nikos Demetriou via groups.io
<nikosdemetriou=googlemail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello.I'm having this issue with the snapshot version but the staple version
seems to work fine up to now.

On 10 Dec 2020, at 7:14 PM, Joshua Tubbs <orin8722@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello everyone,

My computer restarted overnight, and I wake up to find that TWBlue is
no longer sending information to NVDA. Windows Update says I'm up to
date, and there's no indication in the action center that any updates
were performed.

Whatever the case, the invisible interface of TWBlue no longer works.
I hear the ready sound when it is done loading buffers, but no "ready"
string from NVDA.

What can I try to fix this?
Re: TWBlue no longer outputting to NVDA, help

Nikos Demetriou
 

Hello.I'm having this issue with the snapshot version but the staple version seems to work fine up to now.

On 10 Dec 2020, at 7:14 PM, Joshua Tubbs <orin8722@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello everyone,

My computer restarted overnight, and I wake up to find that TWBlue is
no longer sending information to NVDA. Windows Update says I'm up to
date, and there's no indication in the action center that any updates
were performed.

Whatever the case, the invisible interface of TWBlue no longer works.
I hear the ready sound when it is done loading buffers, but no "ready"
string from NVDA.

What can I try to fix this?
Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

Shaun Everiss
 

I have and it works, but what do you mean you lost your office programs.

If the office is your own, and you have a key you can get it back.

If the office is registered to your microsoft account, and you don't need it on the older system, or its broken, remove it and then put it on the other one.

If you are subscribed to office 365, you can just install it again.

If you mean you have a recycled key which may be a little dodgy, then email me off list, because there could be a way round that.



On 11/12/2020 6:32 am, UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu wrote:
Hello,
I just got a new labtop andnaturally lost my office programs. I don't want to use a piret program and can not efford the prise. have any of you used libraoffice instead of michrosopht? what is your experience with it? 

Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

Brian Vogel
 

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=format+numbers+LibreOffice+Calc 


Formatting number of digits in LibreOffice Calc, MS Excel ... 
      (one can always use the Decimal Places field under options, ticking the number up to whatever you need, too)

Custom Number Format Basics - LibreOffice Calc ...
       (this one covers very "non general" cases where you want to customize all sorts of things about how a number may be presented, including but not limited to having custom text, e.g. "miles," or "quarterly," trailing it.)

Calc: Customize 'General' number format ... - Ask LibreOffice
        (this one gets into customizing the Calc blank spreadsheet template if you want your general number format to constantly be something other than what it defaults to, which is stripped of leading zeros and trailing zero decimals)


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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 
Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I have been using Libra Office for about 6 months and am not an intensive user as all I need it for are a few letters and spreadsheets.  I can get by with it, I have the occasional crash which I have never been able to establish a reason for but my most annoying problem is that I cannot find how to format numbers in Calc, the Libra equivalent of Excel as I can’t stop it from truncating trailing zeroes in decimal numbers.

 

Cheers

Chris    

 

From: UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu
Sent: 10 December 2020 17:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] libraoffice and nvda

 

Hello,
I just got a new labtop andnaturally lost my office programs. I don't want to use a piret program and can not efford the prise. have any of you used libraoffice instead of michrosopht? what is your experience with it? 

 
Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

Brian Vogel
 

LibreOffice is a frequently recommended alternative to Microsoft Office.  It is very actively supported and is accessible.  It can handle all MS-Office file formats and can, if you so choose, be set up to save in those formats by default rather than using the equivalent open document file formats.  Word, or at least any recent versions, is capable of opening Open Document Template (.odt) files, and I'd have to believe that the equivalents for the other office suite programs can open their counterparts as well.

Like any change, it takes a bit of time to get used to the LibreOffice way of doing things.  But it's not anywhere near impossible, just the standard and annoying learning curve.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 
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