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Re: shortcut keys

Rui Fontes
 

NVDA commands.


NVDA portuguese team

NVDA portuguese team


Às 16:55 de 11/12/2020, Don H escreveu:

Are the shortcut keys such as l for links, h for headers, b for buttons NVDA shortcut keys or they windows shortcuts?





shortcut keys

Don H
 

Are the shortcut keys such as l for links, h for headers, b for buttons NVDA shortcut keys or they windows shortcuts?


Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Vinod Benjamin
 

Dear friends,

I am also facing the same issue, also when i tried "Read line " by
using "Modifier key with Up aero " it is not reading as well.

Regards,

Vinod Benjamin

On 12/11/20, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:
This issue is fixed for me with Zoom Version: 5.4.6 (59296.1207). Just
tested it in a meeting with 179 users online and scrolling through the list
worked as supposed, no matter if Zoom was maximized or not.

Regards,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Freitag, 11. Dezember 2020 08:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi all, I would like to shed more light on this particular problem.

After the participants panel is opened, NVDA will read all the names that
appear on the screen when arrowing down. So, there will be more names that
appear if the panel is maximise.

For instance, I have participant 1 to 12 appearing on the screen and NVDA
will read all of them when I arrow down. When I reach participant 12, and
arrow down once more, NVDA will go silent. It will not read participant 13.

I am using windows 8.1, latest version of NVDA, Zoom and Zoom Enhancement
add-on. This does not happen with JAWS. Thanks.

On 12/10/2020 7:55 AM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
If the class is a webinar, you cannot see participants. I suspect
that's the situation here.

On 12/9/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know how your class is set up. In the zoom meetings I have
participated in, members can see the list of participants.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 5:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom



Nope. I'm saying I probably cannot test this tomorrow as I'm not
teaching the class, just taking taking it, and I don't think you can
view the people

in the class unless you are host. I'm glad there is a work around
though inc

in my zoom class I want to teach one day gets over 7 people..

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on
twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel
free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry
page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my
products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:22, Gene wrote:



Are you saying you don't think you can use read current line in the
class for some reason?

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom



I'll have to try this the next time I'm in my class of about 125
people. Or

not. I'm taking not teaching the class, so I don't think I'll be able
to test the work around. Let me know before tomorrow, please.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on
twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel
free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry
page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my
products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:13, Gene wrote:



I believe it was reported that my suggestion of using reade current
line to

read the names works around the problem. That would be much more
efficient than trying to make the parts of the list read unlessor
until the problem is

solved. If you use NVDA and don't know how to read the current line
conveniently when moving in a case like this, ask here. It can be
done so conveniently that you won't mind the problem to any extent.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Unfortunately it doesn't help. I am having the exact same issue.

Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi


The link to the add on is found at
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html
<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html>

I am guessing if they have done a add on for it hopefully some of
those problems will go away.


Gene nz


On 10/12/2020 7:30 am, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



No, I do not have the Zoom add-on. I could install that and try again
before my next meeting.

On 12/8/20, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:



Hi


Is that with the zoom add on you still get that result or is it
without it?


Gene nz


On 9/12/2020 4:26 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



I am in a Zoom meeting right now, and can confirm that NVDA does not
speak when arrowing down after six participants. Interestingly, if
you go to the bottom of the list and use your up arrow, the same
thing happens. I waited several seconds before pressing the arrow key
again, and NVDA never spoke.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:



When testing a problem like this, it may be helpful to test for such
things.

Assuming that something is or isn't happening may lead to an
incorrect description of a problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to
focus on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen
reader, no matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several
seconds after arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem
whatsoever. I may have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around
with this if that meeting happens.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:



How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally
something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech
is delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear
what was going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps
ten seconds,

I

would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech
stops or

is

very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I may
when

I attend another meeting.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:



What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the
current line. You can also try reading the current line of the
navigator object, in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the
laptop layout.
You
may

not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the
names as

you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I
mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up
arrow when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down
arrow again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat
that process again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two
additional issues with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA
does not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things
normally, but if

you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then
the host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells
you that the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down
the list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no
avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.










































Re: opera browser with NVDA

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías
 

Hi all.

Opera is accessible with NVDA because the base is Chromium, the same base of Google Chrome. Well, when I used this browser a day, I have a problem in the navigation of address bar, but the browser is usable and accessible.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Soporte a usuarios, comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA.

Web www.nvda.es

Experto certificado en NVDA

 

De: Jimmy Vonderlinden via groups.io
Enviado: viernes, 11 de diciembre de 2020 7:39
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] opera browser with NVDA

 

hey guys
Has anyone used Opera with NVDA and  how accessible is it? I've heard that it has a free vpn and wondering if that part is usable as well. I'm a google chrome user, but figured I would try this browser because I always like to see how accessability is from one browser to the next. Any tips or feedback would be greatly appreciated
Hope you all have a happyy and healthy holiday season!

 


Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

This issue is fixed for me with Zoom Version: 5.4.6 (59296.1207). Just tested it in a meeting with 179 users online and scrolling through the list worked as supposed, no matter if Zoom was maximized or not.

Regards,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Freitag, 11. Dezember 2020 08:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Hi all, I would like to shed more light on this particular problem.

After the participants panel is opened, NVDA will read all the names that appear on the screen when arrowing down. So, there will be more names that appear if the panel is maximise.

For instance, I have participant 1 to 12 appearing on the screen and NVDA will read all of them when I arrow down. When I reach participant 12, and arrow down once more, NVDA will go silent. It will not read participant 13.

I am using windows 8.1, latest version of NVDA, Zoom and Zoom Enhancement add-on. This does not happen with JAWS. Thanks.

On 12/10/2020 7:55 AM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
If the class is a webinar, you cannot see participants. I suspect
that's the situation here.

On 12/9/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know how your class is set up. In the zoom meetings I have
participated in, members can see the list of participants.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 5:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom



Nope. I'm saying I probably cannot test this tomorrow as I'm not
teaching the class, just taking taking it, and I don't think you can
view the people

in the class unless you are host. I'm glad there is a work around
though inc

in my zoom class I want to teach one day gets over 7 people..

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on
twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel
free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry
page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my
products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:22, Gene wrote:



Are you saying you don't think you can use read current line in the
class for some reason?

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom



I'll have to try this the next time I'm in my class of about 125
people. Or

not. I'm taking not teaching the class, so I don't think I'll be able
to test the work around. Let me know before tomorrow, please.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on
twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel
free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry
page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my
products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:13, Gene wrote:



I believe it was reported that my suggestion of using reade current
line to

read the names works around the problem. That would be much more
efficient than trying to make the parts of the list read unlessor
until the problem is

solved. If you use NVDA and don't know how to read the current line
conveniently when moving in a case like this, ask here. It can be
done so conveniently that you won't mind the problem to any extent.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Unfortunately it doesn't help. I am having the exact same issue.

Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi


The link to the add on is found at
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html
<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html>

I am guessing if they have done a add on for it hopefully some of
those problems will go away.


Gene nz


On 10/12/2020 7:30 am, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



No, I do not have the Zoom add-on. I could install that and try again
before my next meeting.

On 12/8/20, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:



Hi


Is that with the zoom add on you still get that result or is it
without it?


Gene nz


On 9/12/2020 4:26 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



I am in a Zoom meeting right now, and can confirm that NVDA does not
speak when arrowing down after six participants. Interestingly, if
you go to the bottom of the list and use your up arrow, the same
thing happens. I waited several seconds before pressing the arrow key
again, and NVDA never spoke.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:



When testing a problem like this, it may be helpful to test for such
things.

Assuming that something is or isn't happening may lead to an
incorrect description of a problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to
focus on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen
reader, no matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several
seconds after arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem
whatsoever. I may have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around
with this if that meeting happens.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:



How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally
something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech
is delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear
what was going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps
ten seconds,

I

would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech
stops or

is

very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I may
when

I attend another meeting.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:



What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the
current line. You can also try reading the current line of the
navigator object, in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the
laptop layout.
You
may

not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the
names as

you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I
mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up
arrow when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down
arrow again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat
that process again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two
additional issues with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA
does not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things
normally, but if

you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then
the host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells
you that the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down
the list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no
avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.
































opera browser with NVDA

Jimmy Vonderlinden
 

hey guys
Has anyone used Opera with NVDA and  how accessible is it? I've heard that it has a free vpn and wondering if that part is usable as well. I'm a google chrome user, but figured I would try this browser because I always like to see how accessability is from one browser to the next. Any tips or feedback would be greatly appreciated
Hope you all have a happyy and healthy holiday season!


Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Brian

I agree, there has got to be a way but I can’t find it.  When positioned on one of the cells in question and I press Control+1 to open the format Cells dialog, it opens in the number tab with

Format option in the list: -1234.57, Language: English UK, Decimal places: 2, Negative numbers red unchecked, Leading zeroes: 1, Thousands separator unchecked and Format Code: 0.00.

 

I’ve messed around with it in the past but gave up on it.

 

Cheers

Chris       

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 10 December 2020 21:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] LibreOffice and NVDA

 

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 04:24 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:

I do that but it displays 123.40 as 123.4. 

-
No snark intended, but "do what?"   I haven't dealt with Calc in a while, but I seem to recall that choosing any of the pre-defined formats with 2 decimal places always showed both.  I also can't imagine, though you can confirm/refute, that setting the Decimal field to two does not always keep two digits after the decimal point showing.  There has got to be a way to do this, as it's a constant need to present data with a fixed number of decimal places.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 

 


Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Sim Kah Yong
 

Hi all, I would like to shed more light on this particular problem.

After the participants panel is opened, NVDA will read all the names that appear on the screen when arrowing down. So, there will be more names that appear if the panel is maximise.

For instance, I have participant 1 to 12 appearing on the screen and NVDA will read all of them when I arrow down. When I reach participant 12, and arrow down once more, NVDA will go silent. It will not read participant 13.

I am using windows 8.1, latest version of NVDA, Zoom and Zoom Enhancement add-on. This does not happen with JAWS. Thanks.

On 12/10/2020 7:55 AM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
If the class is a webinar, you cannot see participants. I suspect
that's the situation here.

On 12/9/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know how your class is set up. In the zoom meetings I have
participated in, members can see the list of participants.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 5:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom



Nope. I'm saying I probably cannot test this tomorrow as I'm not teaching
the class, just taking taking it, and I don't think you can view the people

in the class unless you are host. I'm glad there is a work around though inc

in my zoom class I want to teach one day gets over 7 people..

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to
give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page
and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and
eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:22, Gene wrote:



Are you saying you don't think you can use read current line in the class
for some reason?

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom



I'll have to try this the next time I'm in my class of about 125 people. Or

not. I'm taking not teaching the class, so I don't think I'll be able to
test the work around. Let me know before tomorrow, please.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to
give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page
and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and
eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:13, Gene wrote:



I believe it was reported that my suggestion of using reade current line to

read the names works around the problem. That would be much more efficient
than trying to make the parts of the list read unlessor until the problem is

solved. If you use NVDA and don't know how to read the current line
conveniently when moving in a case like this, ask here. It can be done so
conveniently that you won't mind the problem to any extent.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Unfortunately it doesn't help. I am having the exact same issue.

Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi


The link to the add on is found at
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html
<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html>

I am guessing if they have done a add on for it hopefully some of those
problems will go away.


Gene nz


On 10/12/2020 7:30 am, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



No, I do not have the Zoom add-on. I could install that and try again
before my next meeting.

On 12/8/20, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:



Hi


Is that with the zoom add on you still get that result or is it without
it?


Gene nz


On 9/12/2020 4:26 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



I am in a Zoom meeting right now, and can confirm that NVDA does not
speak when arrowing down after six participants. Interestingly, if you
go to the bottom of the list and use your up arrow, the same thing
happens. I waited several seconds before pressing the arrow key again,
and NVDA never spoke.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:



When testing a problem like this, it may be helpful to test for such
things.

Assuming that something is or isn't happening may lead to an incorrect
description of a problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to focus
on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen reader, no
matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several seconds after
arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem whatsoever. I may
have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around with this if that
meeting happens.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:



How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally
something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech
is
delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear what
was
going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps ten
seconds,

I

would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech stops
or

is

very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I
may
when

I attend another meeting.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:



What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the
current
line. You can also try reading the current line of the navigator
object,
in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the laptop layout.
You
may

not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the
names
as

you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I
mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bob
Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up
arrow
when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down arrow
again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat that
process
again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two additional
issues
with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA
does
not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things normally,
but
if

you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then
the
host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells you
that
the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will
press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down
the
list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and
Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no
avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what
can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.































Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

 

Hmmm maybe its worth me buying this depending on the price and looking at it then.

I haven't really needed to or bothered, but this close to christmas, I have little in the way of projects to do.

With most updates almost done, little is left to get sorted out bar maybe a few extras on one other thing I am working on.

Next year, that may be different.

There is also this flexy pdf thing to.



On 11/12/2020 5:36 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
SoftMaker wrote back, pretty promptly, saying that they have no direct support for the free version of SoftMaker Office, which in and of itself is not surprising.

I am annoyed that they didn't really look at the fact that the request wasn't for support, per se, but regarding accessibility issues that likely span the free and paid products.  But I can't blame any software maker that issues a free and paid version of their software for not having professional support for the free version.  They do have an established online forum for users of the free version, but it would not likely do much good to get an account and post about this there.

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Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

 

SoftMaker wrote back, pretty promptly, saying that they have no direct support for the free version of SoftMaker Office, which in and of itself is not surprising.

I am annoyed that they didn't really look at the fact that the request wasn't for support, per se, but regarding accessibility issues that likely span the free and paid products.  But I can't blame any software maker that issues a free and paid version of their software for not having professional support for the free version.  They do have an established online forum for users of the free version, but it would not likely do much good to get an account and post about this there.

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Re: TWBlue no longer outputting to NVDA, help

Hope Williamson
 

TWBlue seems to be working fine for me with NVDA. I'm using the snapshot version of TWBlue, and the latest version of NVDA.

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On 10 Dec 2020, at 9:13, Joshua Tubbs wrote:

Hello everyone,

My computer restarted overnight, and I wake up to find that TWBlue is
no longer sending information to NVDA. Windows Update says I'm up to
date, and there's no indication in the action center that any updates
were performed.

Whatever the case, the invisible interface of TWBlue no longer works.
I hear the ready sound when it is done loading buffers, but no "ready"
string from NVDA.

What can I try to fix this?


Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

 

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 06:05 PM, Gene wrote:
The instructions, from the quick look I gave them, are about Linux
-
Indeed.  They aren't applicable to Windows.  And the icons for Office document formats, provided you have or had Office, do not change on Windows when you install SoftMaker Office (or LibreOffice, for that matter).
 
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Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

Gene
 

This may be of no concern but the download instructions on the web site say the following:

When you install FreeOffice, the icons for common document formats such as DOCX, XLSX and PPTX are assigned to FreeOffice. If you do not like our icon style, you can easily restore the previous icons by running this script:
sudo /usr/share/freeoffice2018/mime/remove_icons.sh


The instructions, from the quick look I gave them, are about Linux and perhaps about another installation but I didn't see anything about Windows.


The change in icons, I suspect, doesn't affect accessibility.  I'm pointing this out in case it does and in case the script doesn't function properly on Windows machines.  Since I didn't see anything about Windows, I don't know if the script should be run.


Gene

On 12/10/2020 3:53 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
By the way, I am back to strongly recommending SoftMaker Free Office as an alternative to Microsoft Office for those who need only a word processor, spreadsheet, and presentation manager.  It has the added bonus of running under Windows, Linux, and on the Mac.

Now, this strong recommendation comes with several provisos:

1.  When you first start any one of the programs, you are asked what user interface style you want, but nothing is announced for each of the three choices for ribbon options nor for each of the two options for menu-driven options.

2.  The ribbon interface is absolutely, positively NOT accessible with NVDA.  I presume this is a problem with SoftMaker's software.

3.  From the testing I've done, the menu-driven user interface (UI) is 100% accessible with NVDA, which is what makes this suite an option.

You would want a sighted assistant right after install so that when you fire up any one of the three programs, TextMaker (word processor), PlanMaker (spreadsheet), or Presentations (equivalent of PowerPoint) as that's the point at which the user interface choice is made.  Making it for any one of the three makes that choice apply to the other two as well, or at least it did for me.

This suite is the most like MS-Word of any that I have worked with, and now that it appears it is accessible if the menu-driven UI is chosen, it's worth another look.  If anyone tries it, and finds accessibility stumbling blocks with the menu-driven UI, please report back on where it is/they are occurring.  There's no way I can get beyond basic testing and dig in to each and every option in each and every menu.

You can have SoftMaker Office save the files it creates in Microsoft document formats and set this up as the default.  But the initial default is not the Microsoft formats, but it's own.
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Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

David Goldfield
 

Hi. Office Home and Student normally sells for just under $150.00 but it's currently still on sale for a little under $100.00. Comes with Word, Excel and Powerpoint.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/10/2020 5:50 PM, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Hmmm I could be interested in softmaker office as an alternitive.

I don't need office as such but I may need it later on.

The more I think about it, the only addition I would really need would be the home and student addition which while a little steap in price at 250 is at least affordable as long as thats all I ever need.

There are software places like buy.recycled.com which are supposed to be selling legal recycled software, but it really doesn't matter to much as long as I get something that works for dolphin converter.

Which needs 2010 or higher.

Crazy thing is that if I handle upgrades right I may be able to get an old 2007 office install disk with 3 keys on it but thats really old.

I have been contemplating office 360, the only reason I am not for that as such is I don't really need or use office on a daily type deal.

I have jarte pro for most things.

I wander if softmaker have been approached on the interface type ddeals.



On 11/12/2020 10:53 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
By the way, I am back to strongly recommending SoftMaker Free Office as an alternative to Microsoft Office for those who need only a word processor, spreadsheet, and presentation manager.  It has the added bonus of running under Windows, Linux, and on the Mac.

Now, this strong recommendation comes with several provisos:

1.  When you first start any one of the programs, you are asked what user interface style you want, but nothing is announced for each of the three choices for ribbon options nor for each of the two options for menu-driven options.

2.  The ribbon interface is absolutely, positively NOT accessible with NVDA.  I presume this is a problem with SoftMaker's software.

3.  From the testing I've done, the menu-driven user interface (UI) is 100% accessible with NVDA, which is what makes this suite an option.

You would want a sighted assistant right after install so that when you fire up any one of the three programs, TextMaker (word processor), PlanMaker (spreadsheet), or Presentations (equivalent of PowerPoint) as that's the point at which the user interface choice is made.  Making it for any one of the three makes that choice apply to the other two as well, or at least it did for me.

This suite is the most like MS-Word of any that I have worked with, and now that it appears it is accessible if the menu-driven UI is chosen, it's worth another look.  If anyone tries it, and finds accessibility stumbling blocks with the menu-driven UI, please report back on where it is/they are occurring.  There's no way I can get beyond basic testing and dig in to each and every option in each and every menu.

You can have SoftMaker Office save the files it creates in Microsoft document formats and set this up as the default.  But the initial default is not the Microsoft formats, but it's own.
--

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        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 



Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

David Goldfield
 

I'll definitely report back on what I find and will try the equivalent of object navigation on other screen readers. Otherwise, I'll get assistance from AIRA.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/10/2020 5:49 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

David,

           Just for the record, I have written to SoftMaker identifying the accessibility issues I've listed, so I'll definitely try to remember to post again if I get a response.

           I guess it's possible that object navigation might help, but I'm doubting it based on what I can see.  I can move around using the standard TAB/SHIFT+TAB conventions in the choose UI dialog, but nothing is spoken.

           LibreOffice is a great product.  The main reason I like SoftMaker Office is due to just how much its look and feel is like MS Office.  For those who don't want to buy MS-Office, but who still really would prefer to stick with MS-Office, this is as close as you can get without being there, particularly if you can see.  Since the ribbon interface does not work with NVDA, that means the look and feel will be slightly different going back to a menu driven interface, but some seem to want that anyway, and you can't get it in MS-Office.
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Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

 

Hmmm I could be interested in softmaker office as an alternitive.

I don't need office as such but I may need it later on.

The more I think about it, the only addition I would really need would be the home and student addition which while a little steap in price at 250 is at least affordable as long as thats all I ever need.

There are software places like buy.recycled.com which are supposed to be selling legal recycled software, but it really doesn't matter to much as long as I get something that works for dolphin converter.

Which needs 2010 or higher.

Crazy thing is that if I handle upgrades right I may be able to get an old 2007 office install disk with 3 keys on it but thats really old.

I have been contemplating office 360, the only reason I am not for that as such is I don't really need or use office on a daily type deal.

I have jarte pro for most things.

I wander if softmaker have been approached on the interface type ddeals.



On 11/12/2020 10:53 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
By the way, I am back to strongly recommending SoftMaker Free Office as an alternative to Microsoft Office for those who need only a word processor, spreadsheet, and presentation manager.  It has the added bonus of running under Windows, Linux, and on the Mac.

Now, this strong recommendation comes with several provisos:

1.  When you first start any one of the programs, you are asked what user interface style you want, but nothing is announced for each of the three choices for ribbon options nor for each of the two options for menu-driven options.

2.  The ribbon interface is absolutely, positively NOT accessible with NVDA.  I presume this is a problem with SoftMaker's software.

3.  From the testing I've done, the menu-driven user interface (UI) is 100% accessible with NVDA, which is what makes this suite an option.

You would want a sighted assistant right after install so that when you fire up any one of the three programs, TextMaker (word processor), PlanMaker (spreadsheet), or Presentations (equivalent of PowerPoint) as that's the point at which the user interface choice is made.  Making it for any one of the three makes that choice apply to the other two as well, or at least it did for me.

This suite is the most like MS-Word of any that I have worked with, and now that it appears it is accessible if the menu-driven UI is chosen, it's worth another look.  If anyone tries it, and finds accessibility stumbling blocks with the menu-driven UI, please report back on where it is/they are occurring.  There's no way I can get beyond basic testing and dig in to each and every option in each and every menu.

You can have SoftMaker Office save the files it creates in Microsoft document formats and set this up as the default.  But the initial default is not the Microsoft formats, but it's own.
--

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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

 

David,

           Just for the record, I have written to SoftMaker identifying the accessibility issues I've listed, so I'll definitely try to remember to post again if I get a response.

           I guess it's possible that object navigation might help, but I'm doubting it based on what I can see.  I can move around using the standard TAB/SHIFT+TAB conventions in the choose UI dialog, but nothing is spoken.

           LibreOffice is a great product.  The main reason I like SoftMaker Office is due to just how much its look and feel is like MS Office.  For those who don't want to buy MS-Office, but who still really would prefer to stick with MS-Office, this is as close as you can get without being there, particularly if you can see.  Since the ribbon interface does not work with NVDA, that means the look and feel will be slightly different going back to a menu driven interface, but some seem to want that anyway, and you can't get it in MS-Office.
--

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        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

David Goldfield
 

Brian,
I appreciate the recommendation. I may give this program a try. I'm wondering if NVDA's object navigation commands can be used to select the user interface. I'll report back with findings although, for me, I'm fairly content with LibreOffice as an Office alternative for the things I use it for.
David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 12/10/2020 4:53 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

By the way, I am back to strongly recommending SoftMaker Free Office as an alternative to Microsoft Office for those who need only a word processor, spreadsheet, and presentation manager.  It has the added bonus of running under Windows, Linux, and on the Mac.

Now, this strong recommendation comes with several provisos:

1.  When you first start any one of the programs, you are asked what user interface style you want, but nothing is announced for each of the three choices for ribbon options nor for each of the two options for menu-driven options.

2.  The ribbon interface is absolutely, positively NOT accessible with NVDA.  I presume this is a problem with SoftMaker's software.

3.  From the testing I've done, the menu-driven user interface (UI) is 100% accessible with NVDA, which is what makes this suite an option.

You would want a sighted assistant right after install so that when you fire up any one of the three programs, TextMaker (word processor), PlanMaker (spreadsheet), or Presentations (equivalent of PowerPoint) as that's the point at which the user interface choice is made.  Making it for any one of the three makes that choice apply to the other two as well, or at least it did for me.

This suite is the most like MS-Word of any that I have worked with, and now that it appears it is accessible if the menu-driven UI is chosen, it's worth another look.  If anyone tries it, and finds accessibility stumbling blocks with the menu-driven UI, please report back on where it is/they are occurring.  There's no way I can get beyond basic testing and dig in to each and every option in each and every menu.

You can have SoftMaker Office save the files it creates in Microsoft document formats and set this up as the default.  But the initial default is not the Microsoft formats, but it's own.
--

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If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 



locked Re: issues with memory, dell computer, and real tech sound drivers?

 

Melissa,

           This topic is not, in any meaningful way, NVDA-related.  You report that it occurs regardless of the screen reader in use.

           There have been several recent topics on the Windows 10 for Screen Readers group in relation to Dell hardware, including:

  1. Windows Audio Device Graph Isolation (original, and very long - 39 messages)
  2. Dell Driver issue continued
  3. Brand of PC - Any ones more compatible with screen readers than others?

and another on this group, now locked, because it became clear this is not an NVDA issue:  RAM Problem with Dell computers that have Realtek HD Audio Driver, and NVDA or JAWS (20 messages).

This is an issue that, ultimately, only Dell can solve.  Realtek is used so widely across manufacturers, including the same sound cards, that if it were a Realtek problem it should be occurring much more often than it is.

This topic is now locked.  Any further discussion of this topic should occur on the Chat Subgroup or elsewhere.
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locked Re: issues with memory, dell computer, and real tech sound drivers?

Sam Taylor
 

If you are getting Not Enough Memory errors, have you examined how your PageFile is being managed?

https://www.techbout.com/not-enough-memory-to-complete-this-operation-windows-10-56943/

Cheers

Sam


On 11/12/2020 8:17 am, Melissa Jean wrote:
Hi,
I've been having issues with my new dell latitude 5511 laptop since I
got it in September.
I cannot run more than 1 program at a time for longer than an hour or
so because my screen reader will just lock up and stop talking. I get
this with JAWS and NVDA. When I was still doing school, I would be
working in word, saving it, and sometimes find that it didn't even
save the work I was doing. I would get errors saying "not enough
memory to run this process" when working with chrome or Firefox.
The only thing I could do is to force shut down and reboot. My
computer gets hot, like I'm running something really intensive with
it. But, I'm not... most of the time I'm just running my MUD client or
just reading my email in Chrome/Firefox.
I saw an email here a week or so ago saying it could be the real tech
drivers. I used be my eyes to facetime/remote connect with MS
disability and there were no other choices for the sound drivers but
real tech. Someone, Luke I believe, mentioned switching to the default
windows HD sound drivers. Since I couldn't do that I updated the
drivers for real tech, they had an update Oct 27. It worked fine until
December 5 th when windows updated itself, though I have this off and
it's another story, so my problems reverted.
I ran for a week or so with no problems and all of the sudden it is
back to what it was before. I used to be able to have a couple of word
docs open, a browser, and some folders, like a normal person and I'm
back now to running one program and having to reboot all the time.
The laptop has perfect ventilation, I have two us fans blowing on it
and it's practically vertical on a laptop stand since I use an
external keyboard.
If anyone has any suggestions for me I would appreciate them because
it seems to have MS stumped and anyone I talk to stumped as well.
I have the latest version of windows 10, JAWS, and NVDA 2020.2 or 1 I
believe. I stopped updating NVDA when my synth add on stopped working
and can’t be bothered to try and find a replacement for it. It does
this to me no matter if I’m using JAWS or NVDA.





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