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Re: shortcut keys

Gene
 

In my original message, I said they are called quick navigation commands. On reflection, I don't know if they are called quick navigation keys or commands or both.

And the command is k for link in NVDA.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 11:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] shortcut keys

They are called quick navigation commands and they are determined by your
screen-reader when using the virtual pc cursor or browse mode, whatever your
screen-reader calls it. However, there is a lot of standardization between
NVDA and JAWS regarding these commands, they are almost all the same. I
don't know about other screen-readers.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] shortcut keys

Are the shortcut keys such as l for links, h for headers, b for buttons
NVDA shortcut keys or they windows shortcuts?


Re: shortcut keys

Gene
 

There is absolutely no comparison. The quick navigation keys allow you to do something of enormous value that you couldn't do other wise. They allow you to move by structure on web sites. There is no sighted equivalent because sighted people can just look at structures on web pages. Its as though you asked if the read title bar command should be in screen-readers but nop virtual ribbon menus. Again, the read title bar command gives you access to something sighted people can just look at and it gives immediate access to very important information.

the virtual ribbon menu JAWS implemented does nothing that is not already done as well or better by ribbons. It provides an unnecessary interface that limits blind people. By limiting, I mean that instructions for sighted users always use the real ribbons, of course, and tutorials for blind users usually use the real ribbons when giving instructions. Therefore, you are significantly limited if you know the JAWSS interface and not the real one.

Have you tried to learn ribbons and not the JAWS special interface? If so, what problems did you have?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] shortcut keys

OK so it is ok for NVDA to have such useful shortcut keys for headings,
links buttons and so on but it is not ok to have a virtual ribbon
function like Jaws has?

On 12/11/2020 11:01 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
NVDA commands.


NVDA portuguese team

NVDA portuguese team


Às 16:55 de 11/12/2020, Don H escreveu:
Are the shortcut keys such as l for links, h for headers, b for buttons NVDA shortcut keys or they windows shortcuts?










Re: shortcut keys

Kyle McRorey
 

Hello my name is Kyle I am a certified assistive technology trainer graduate of access technology institute.  I do not personally like the idea of a virtual ribbon menu and NVDA that is similar to JAWS. As a trainer my experience is that such menus actually mess people up that is it is not correct mainstream windows user interface.


Re: shortcut keys

 

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 12:33 PM, Don H wrote:
OK so it is ok for NVDA to have such useful shortcut keys for headings, links buttons and so on but it is not ok to have a virtual ribbon function like Jaws has?
-
JAWS has used quick browsing shortcut keys for years and years now, most of which are the same as the ones NVDA is using.

The virtual ribbon is a crutch, was introduced when accessibility to the ribbon was sketchy because it was new, and is utterly unnecessary now.  The ribbons are nothing more than menus that have a slightly different navigation method.  And since they've been the de facto standard user interface for over a decade now, knowing how to use them in their native, and entirely accessible, form is far better than creating an unnecessary system to overlay them.  Freedom Scientific is not doing anyone any favors by not retiring this feature.


The NVDA Commands Quick Reference can be brought up with the command NVDA+N,H,Q.  It's one of the handiest commands when you need to find one of the commands you seldom use or have just forgotten.  The User Guide can be opened with NVDA+N,H,U.

 
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        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: shortcut keys

Gene
 

They are called quick navigation commands and they are determined by your screen-reader when using the virtual pc cursor or browse mode, whatever your screen-reader calls it. However, there is a lot of standardization between NVDA and JAWS regarding these commands, they are almost all the same. I don't know about other screen-readers.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] shortcut keys

Are the shortcut keys such as l for links, h for headers, b for buttons
NVDA shortcut keys or they windows shortcuts?


Re: opera browser with NVDA

Gene
 

The original questioner asked about whether the VPN feature is accessible.  I don't know, I haven't used Opera. However, the Brave browser allows you to open pages using Tor and that is accessible.  I don't know if you will e able to do what you want with Tor.  I just tried using Youtube in the Tor Window and Youtube didn't accept the connection.  The New York Times did.


Gene

On 12/11/2020 10:48 AM, Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías via groups.io wrote:

Hi all.

Opera is accessible with NVDA because the base is Chromium, the same base of Google Chrome. Well, when I used this browser a day, I have a problem in the navigation of address bar, but the browser is usable and accessible.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Soporte a usuarios, comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA.

Web www.nvda.es

Experto certificado en NVDA

 

De: Jimmy Vonderlinden via groups.io
Enviado: viernes, 11 de diciembre de 2020 7:39
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] opera browser with NVDA

 

hey guys
Has anyone used Opera with NVDA and  how accessible is it? I've heard that it has a free vpn and wondering if that part is usable as well. I'm a google chrome user, but figured I would try this browser because I always like to see how accessability is from one browser to the next. Any tips or feedback would be greatly appreciated
Hope you all have a happyy and healthy holiday season!

 


Re: shortcut keys

Chris Mullins
 

                Hi Don

It’s actually l for list and they are NVDA Single Letter Navigation keys for use in brwse mode.  See section 6.1 of the NVDA User guide.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Don H
Sent: 11 December 2020 16:56
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] shortcut keys

 

Are the shortcut keys such as l for links, h for headers, b for buttons

NVDA shortcut keys or they windows shortcuts?

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: shortcut keys

Don H
 

OK so it is ok for NVDA to have such useful shortcut keys for headings, links buttons and so on but it is not ok to have a virtual ribbon function like Jaws has?

On 12/11/2020 11:01 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
NVDA commands.
NVDA portuguese team
NVDA portuguese team
Às 16:55 de 11/12/2020, Don H escreveu:
Are the shortcut keys such as l for links, h for headers, b for buttons NVDA shortcut keys or they windows shortcuts?






Re: shortcut keys

Rui Fontes
 

NVDA commands.


NVDA portuguese team

NVDA portuguese team


Às 16:55 de 11/12/2020, Don H escreveu:

Are the shortcut keys such as l for links, h for headers, b for buttons NVDA shortcut keys or they windows shortcuts?





shortcut keys

Don H
 

Are the shortcut keys such as l for links, h for headers, b for buttons NVDA shortcut keys or they windows shortcuts?


Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Vinod Benjamin
 

Dear friends,

I am also facing the same issue, also when i tried "Read line " by
using "Modifier key with Up aero " it is not reading as well.

Regards,

Vinod Benjamin

On 12/11/20, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:
This issue is fixed for me with Zoom Version: 5.4.6 (59296.1207). Just
tested it in a meeting with 179 users online and scrolling through the list
worked as supposed, no matter if Zoom was maximized or not.

Regards,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Freitag, 11. Dezember 2020 08:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi all, I would like to shed more light on this particular problem.

After the participants panel is opened, NVDA will read all the names that
appear on the screen when arrowing down. So, there will be more names that
appear if the panel is maximise.

For instance, I have participant 1 to 12 appearing on the screen and NVDA
will read all of them when I arrow down. When I reach participant 12, and
arrow down once more, NVDA will go silent. It will not read participant 13.

I am using windows 8.1, latest version of NVDA, Zoom and Zoom Enhancement
add-on. This does not happen with JAWS. Thanks.

On 12/10/2020 7:55 AM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
If the class is a webinar, you cannot see participants. I suspect
that's the situation here.

On 12/9/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know how your class is set up. In the zoom meetings I have
participated in, members can see the list of participants.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 5:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom



Nope. I'm saying I probably cannot test this tomorrow as I'm not
teaching the class, just taking taking it, and I don't think you can
view the people

in the class unless you are host. I'm glad there is a work around
though inc

in my zoom class I want to teach one day gets over 7 people..

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On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:22, Gene wrote:



Are you saying you don't think you can use read current line in the
class for some reason?

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom



I'll have to try this the next time I'm in my class of about 125
people. Or

not. I'm taking not teaching the class, so I don't think I'll be able
to test the work around. Let me know before tomorrow, please.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on
twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel
free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry
page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my
products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:13, Gene wrote:



I believe it was reported that my suggestion of using reade current
line to

read the names works around the problem. That would be much more
efficient than trying to make the parts of the list read unlessor
until the problem is

solved. If you use NVDA and don't know how to read the current line
conveniently when moving in a case like this, ask here. It can be
done so conveniently that you won't mind the problem to any extent.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Unfortunately it doesn't help. I am having the exact same issue.

Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi


The link to the add on is found at
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html
<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html>

I am guessing if they have done a add on for it hopefully some of
those problems will go away.


Gene nz


On 10/12/2020 7:30 am, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



No, I do not have the Zoom add-on. I could install that and try again
before my next meeting.

On 12/8/20, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:



Hi


Is that with the zoom add on you still get that result or is it
without it?


Gene nz


On 9/12/2020 4:26 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



I am in a Zoom meeting right now, and can confirm that NVDA does not
speak when arrowing down after six participants. Interestingly, if
you go to the bottom of the list and use your up arrow, the same
thing happens. I waited several seconds before pressing the arrow key
again, and NVDA never spoke.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:



When testing a problem like this, it may be helpful to test for such
things.

Assuming that something is or isn't happening may lead to an
incorrect description of a problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to
focus on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen
reader, no matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several
seconds after arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem
whatsoever. I may have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around
with this if that meeting happens.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:



How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally
something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech
is delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear
what was going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps
ten seconds,

I

would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech
stops or

is

very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I may
when

I attend another meeting.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:



What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the
current line. You can also try reading the current line of the
navigator object, in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the
laptop layout.
You
may

not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the
names as

you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I
mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up
arrow when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down
arrow again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat
that process again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two
additional issues with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA
does not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things
normally, but if

you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then
the host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells
you that the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down
the list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no
avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.










































Re: opera browser with NVDA

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías
 

Hi all.

Opera is accessible with NVDA because the base is Chromium, the same base of Google Chrome. Well, when I used this browser a day, I have a problem in the navigation of address bar, but the browser is usable and accessible.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Soporte a usuarios, comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA.

Web www.nvda.es

Experto certificado en NVDA

 

De: Jimmy Vonderlinden via groups.io
Enviado: viernes, 11 de diciembre de 2020 7:39
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] opera browser with NVDA

 

hey guys
Has anyone used Opera with NVDA and  how accessible is it? I've heard that it has a free vpn and wondering if that part is usable as well. I'm a google chrome user, but figured I would try this browser because I always like to see how accessability is from one browser to the next. Any tips or feedback would be greatly appreciated
Hope you all have a happyy and healthy holiday season!

 


Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

This issue is fixed for me with Zoom Version: 5.4.6 (59296.1207). Just tested it in a meeting with 179 users online and scrolling through the list worked as supposed, no matter if Zoom was maximized or not.

Regards,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Freitag, 11. Dezember 2020 08:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Hi all, I would like to shed more light on this particular problem.

After the participants panel is opened, NVDA will read all the names that appear on the screen when arrowing down. So, there will be more names that appear if the panel is maximise.

For instance, I have participant 1 to 12 appearing on the screen and NVDA will read all of them when I arrow down. When I reach participant 12, and arrow down once more, NVDA will go silent. It will not read participant 13.

I am using windows 8.1, latest version of NVDA, Zoom and Zoom Enhancement add-on. This does not happen with JAWS. Thanks.

On 12/10/2020 7:55 AM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
If the class is a webinar, you cannot see participants. I suspect
that's the situation here.

On 12/9/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know how your class is set up. In the zoom meetings I have
participated in, members can see the list of participants.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 5:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom



Nope. I'm saying I probably cannot test this tomorrow as I'm not
teaching the class, just taking taking it, and I don't think you can
view the people

in the class unless you are host. I'm glad there is a work around
though inc

in my zoom class I want to teach one day gets over 7 people..

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on
twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel
free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry
page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my
products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:22, Gene wrote:



Are you saying you don't think you can use read current line in the
class for some reason?

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom



I'll have to try this the next time I'm in my class of about 125
people. Or

not. I'm taking not teaching the class, so I don't think I'll be able
to test the work around. Let me know before tomorrow, please.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on
twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel
free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry
page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my
products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:13, Gene wrote:



I believe it was reported that my suggestion of using reade current
line to

read the names works around the problem. That would be much more
efficient than trying to make the parts of the list read unlessor
until the problem is

solved. If you use NVDA and don't know how to read the current line
conveniently when moving in a case like this, ask here. It can be
done so conveniently that you won't mind the problem to any extent.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Unfortunately it doesn't help. I am having the exact same issue.

Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi


The link to the add on is found at
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html
<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html>

I am guessing if they have done a add on for it hopefully some of
those problems will go away.


Gene nz


On 10/12/2020 7:30 am, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



No, I do not have the Zoom add-on. I could install that and try again
before my next meeting.

On 12/8/20, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:



Hi


Is that with the zoom add on you still get that result or is it
without it?


Gene nz


On 9/12/2020 4:26 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



I am in a Zoom meeting right now, and can confirm that NVDA does not
speak when arrowing down after six participants. Interestingly, if
you go to the bottom of the list and use your up arrow, the same
thing happens. I waited several seconds before pressing the arrow key
again, and NVDA never spoke.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:



When testing a problem like this, it may be helpful to test for such
things.

Assuming that something is or isn't happening may lead to an
incorrect description of a problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to
focus on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen
reader, no matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several
seconds after arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem
whatsoever. I may have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around
with this if that meeting happens.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:



How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally
something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech
is delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear
what was going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps
ten seconds,

I

would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech
stops or

is

very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I may
when

I attend another meeting.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:



What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the
current line. You can also try reading the current line of the
navigator object, in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the
laptop layout.
You
may

not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the
names as

you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I
mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up
arrow when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down
arrow again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat
that process again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two
additional issues with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA
does not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things
normally, but if

you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then
the host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells
you that the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down
the list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no
avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.
































opera browser with NVDA

Jimmy Vonderlinden
 

hey guys
Has anyone used Opera with NVDA and  how accessible is it? I've heard that it has a free vpn and wondering if that part is usable as well. I'm a google chrome user, but figured I would try this browser because I always like to see how accessability is from one browser to the next. Any tips or feedback would be greatly appreciated
Hope you all have a happyy and healthy holiday season!


Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Brian

I agree, there has got to be a way but I can’t find it.  When positioned on one of the cells in question and I press Control+1 to open the format Cells dialog, it opens in the number tab with

Format option in the list: -1234.57, Language: English UK, Decimal places: 2, Negative numbers red unchecked, Leading zeroes: 1, Thousands separator unchecked and Format Code: 0.00.

 

I’ve messed around with it in the past but gave up on it.

 

Cheers

Chris       

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: 10 December 2020 21:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] LibreOffice and NVDA

 

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 04:24 PM, Chris Mullins wrote:

I do that but it displays 123.40 as 123.4. 

-
No snark intended, but "do what?"   I haven't dealt with Calc in a while, but I seem to recall that choosing any of the pre-defined formats with 2 decimal places always showed both.  I also can't imagine, though you can confirm/refute, that setting the Decimal field to two does not always keep two digits after the decimal point showing.  There has got to be a way to do this, as it's a constant need to present data with a fixed number of decimal places.
 
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Re: NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of participants panel in Zoom

Sim Kah Yong
 

Hi all, I would like to shed more light on this particular problem.

After the participants panel is opened, NVDA will read all the names that appear on the screen when arrowing down. So, there will be more names that appear if the panel is maximise.

For instance, I have participant 1 to 12 appearing on the screen and NVDA will read all of them when I arrow down. When I reach participant 12, and arrow down once more, NVDA will go silent. It will not read participant 13.

I am using windows 8.1, latest version of NVDA, Zoom and Zoom Enhancement add-on. This does not happen with JAWS. Thanks.

On 12/10/2020 7:55 AM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
If the class is a webinar, you cannot see participants. I suspect
that's the situation here.

On 12/9/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know how your class is set up. In the zoom meetings I have
participated in, members can see the list of participants.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 5:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom



Nope. I'm saying I probably cannot test this tomorrow as I'm not teaching
the class, just taking taking it, and I don't think you can view the people

in the class unless you are host. I'm glad there is a work around though inc

in my zoom class I want to teach one day gets over 7 people..

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On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:22, Gene wrote:



Are you saying you don't think you can use read current line in the class
for some reason?

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom



I'll have to try this the next time I'm in my class of about 125 people. Or

not. I'm taking not teaching the class, so I don't think I'll be able to
test the work around. Let me know before tomorrow, please.

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On 9 Dec 2020, at 15:13, Gene wrote:



I believe it was reported that my suggestion of using reade current line to

read the names works around the problem. That would be much more efficient
than trying to make the parts of the list read unlessor until the problem is

solved. If you use NVDA and don't know how to read the current line
conveniently when moving in a case like this, ask here. It can be done so
conveniently that you won't mind the problem to any extent.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2020 3:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Unfortunately it doesn't help. I am having the exact same issue.

Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi


The link to the add on is found at
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html
<https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html>

I am guessing if they have done a add on for it hopefully some of those
problems will go away.


Gene nz


On 10/12/2020 7:30 am, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



No, I do not have the Zoom add-on. I could install that and try again
before my next meeting.

On 12/8/20, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:



Hi


Is that with the zoom add on you still get that result or is it without
it?


Gene nz


On 9/12/2020 4:26 pm, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:



I am in a Zoom meeting right now, and can confirm that NVDA does not
speak when arrowing down after six participants. Interestingly, if you
go to the bottom of the list and use your up arrow, the same thing
happens. I waited several seconds before pressing the arrow key again,
and NVDA never spoke.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:



When testing a problem like this, it may be helpful to test for such
things.

Assuming that something is or isn't happening may lead to an incorrect
description of a problem.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Nor have I done much testing with this, as I'm usually trying to focus
on the meeting I'm attending, but I do not expect my screen reader, no
matter what it is, to suddenly be delayed by several seconds after
arrowing down a half a dozen times with no problem whatsoever. I may
have a meeting on Saturday, so I will play around with this if that
meeting happens.

On 12/2/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:



How long do you wait before deciding that nothing will be read? The
meetings I attend generally don't have a lot of attendees. Generally
something like eight or ten. If I down arrow a lot of times, speech
is
delayed, I didn't play with this much because I wanted to hear what
was
going on in the meeting, but it seemed to me that in perhaps ten
seconds,

I

would hear something.

It might help those analyzing the problem if they knew if speech stops
or

is

very delayed. I didn't do enough testing to know on my machine. I
may
when

I attend another meeting.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sim Kah Yong
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2020 8:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hi

I tried the read current line or the read the current line of the
navigation object and NVDA reads to me when I encounter the problem.
This is just a work-around, how nice if a solution can be found for
this. Thanks.

On 11/30/2020 11:07 AM, Gene wrote:



What happens if you down arrow and when speech stops, read the
current
line. You can also try reading the current line of the navigator
object,
in the desktop layout, numpad 8. I don't know the laptop layout.
You
may

not hear anything but if this combination allows you to hear the
names
as

you move, that may be a work around that is reasonable for now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sky Mundell
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 8:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

Hello Bob. Just curious, does SA have that problem? System Access I
mean?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bob
Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 6:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA goes silent when arrowing down the list of
participants panel in Zoom

I have this issue too. What I've found to work is to hit your up
arrow
when you get to the point where it goes silent, then your down arrow
again. That helps for a brief time, then you have to repeat that
process
again. I agree, kind of annoying. I'm also having two additional
issues
with NVDA not reading things properly in Zoom:
1. When typing anything in Zoom and you type something wrong, NVDA
does
not read what you backspace. It reads if you type things normally,
but
if

you try to review or correct an error, it will not read.
2. If you're in a meeting that initially isn't being recorded, then
the
host starts recording, NVDA does not read the alert that tells you
that
the meeting is now being recorded.

On 11/29/20, Sim Kah Yong <simkahyong@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi all,

Wish to report the above problem when using NVDA in Zoom. IN a zoom
meeting, if I wish to find out the list of participants, I will
press
alt + U to call out the participants panel. I will then arrow down
the
list. After severl down arrow, NVDA will stop speaking.

I am using the latest version of NVDA, Zoom enhancement app and
Zoom.
This problem has been there even with the older version of NVDA and
Zoom. I am using Windows 8.1. I have tried the following with no
avail:

1. Wit no apps

2. restart NVDA

3. Re-boot my computer.

Just wish to find out if any of you have similar problem and what
can
be done? Perhaps this can help to improve future version of NVDA.

I have also use JAWS and this has not been a problem. Thanks all.































Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

 

Hmmm maybe its worth me buying this depending on the price and looking at it then.

I haven't really needed to or bothered, but this close to christmas, I have little in the way of projects to do.

With most updates almost done, little is left to get sorted out bar maybe a few extras on one other thing I am working on.

Next year, that may be different.

There is also this flexy pdf thing to.



On 11/12/2020 5:36 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
SoftMaker wrote back, pretty promptly, saying that they have no direct support for the free version of SoftMaker Office, which in and of itself is not surprising.

I am annoyed that they didn't really look at the fact that the request wasn't for support, per se, but regarding accessibility issues that likely span the free and paid products.  But I can't blame any software maker that issues a free and paid version of their software for not having professional support for the free version.  They do have an established online forum for users of the free version, but it would not likely do much good to get an account and post about this there.

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Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

 

SoftMaker wrote back, pretty promptly, saying that they have no direct support for the free version of SoftMaker Office, which in and of itself is not surprising.

I am annoyed that they didn't really look at the fact that the request wasn't for support, per se, but regarding accessibility issues that likely span the free and paid products.  But I can't blame any software maker that issues a free and paid version of their software for not having professional support for the free version.  They do have an established online forum for users of the free version, but it would not likely do much good to get an account and post about this there.

--

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        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: TWBlue no longer outputting to NVDA, help

Hope Williamson
 

TWBlue seems to be working fine for me with NVDA. I'm using the snapshot version of TWBlue, and the latest version of NVDA.

On 12/10/2020 9:28 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Have you deployed the method for scanning windows and repairing any errors that might be on the drive? Find out more here

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On 10 Dec 2020, at 9:13, Joshua Tubbs wrote:

Hello everyone,

My computer restarted overnight, and I wake up to find that TWBlue is
no longer sending information to NVDA. Windows Update says I'm up to
date, and there's no indication in the action center that any updates
were performed.

Whatever the case, the invisible interface of TWBlue no longer works.
I hear the ready sound when it is done loading buffers, but no "ready"
string from NVDA.

What can I try to fix this?


Re: LibreOffice and NVDA

 

On Thu, Dec 10, 2020 at 06:05 PM, Gene wrote:
The instructions, from the quick look I gave them, are about Linux
-
Indeed.  They aren't applicable to Windows.  And the icons for Office document formats, provided you have or had Office, do not change on Windows when you install SoftMaker Office (or LibreOffice, for that matter).
 
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