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Re: update on my Gmail issue

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Are you using basic HTML or standard view? If Basic HTML, the easiest
way to find it is to navigate by heading from the top of the page, it
will be there as a link and a heading. As for attachments, it doesn't
open a dialog right away, it opens a second page where there are 10
more browse buttons that you then have to use just like the first one.
If you're using standard view, I'll have to test this out and get back
to you.

On 12/11/20, Kerryn Gunness via groups.io <k_gunness=yahoo.ca@groups.io> wrote:
hey bob

thanks

re the attachment, i tried that, but the focus moved
no open dialogue box opened

where do i find the link for contacts i dont see it

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Cavanaugh" <cavbob1993@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] update on my Gmail issue


I was interested in Thunderbird about 10 years ago, but never
installed it. I'm fine with using the web interface, as long as it's
the basic HTML. As for getting a list of contacts, there's a link for
that in your navigation. To send more than one attachment, activate
the button that says "attach more files."

On 12/11/20, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


Are you aware you can get your g mails through the thunder bird client
that is how I do it at the moment or actually for years.


Far easier I guess than the web version.


Gene nz


On 12/12/2020 7:53 am, Kerryn Gunness via groups.io wrote:
My question is can someone get a list of contacts how do you get there?
Also how are you are able to send more than one attachment
On 9 Dec 2020, at 7:29 PM, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,
I just discovered something that is a little strange. The contacts
list in Gmail's basic HTML view is also a table, and NVDA reads names
associated with the checkboxes on that page, but not when browsing
messages.
Bob





















Re: update on my Gmail issue

 

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 02:11 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
I'm fine with using the web interface, as long as it's the basic HTML.
-
As an aside, the regular Gmail webmail interface is now a lot more accessible that it was way back when.  I used to suggest only using the basic HTML interface, but no more.  Particularly if you activate the Google keyboard shortcuts and accessibility settings for the regular interface.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: Quick Dictionary with automatic switching of synthesizers for selected languages #addonrelease

Oleksandr Gryshchenko
 

Hi friends,

If someone uses online dictionaries - I offer an updated version of Quick Dictionary add-on :)
Many significant changes have been made to this release.
The biggest change is that the add-on's capabilities can now be expanded by adding new online dictionaries and translation services.
Added dialog box for managing voice synthesizers profiles.
The full list of updates is listed below.

New dictionary service also supports Arabic, as it was previously requested here:
https://github.com/grisov/quickDictionary/issues/1

Changes in version 2.0:
* added the ability to connect other online dictionary services (now supported Lexicala and Yandex);
* added Lexicala service and its settings panel (supports 50 languages) - https://www.lexicala.com/
* added a dialog for choosing an online service from the list of available ones;
* added a command to get information about the selected service;
* added a dialog for working with profiles of voice synthesizers (supported operations Create/Change/Delete/Update/Save);
* implemented the procedure for switching to the previous voice synthesizer;
* implemented a parallel thread to monitor the state of the synthesizer ((improved switching of synthesizers when voicing a dictionary article));
* due to an increase in the number of functions in the add-on - help for commands is now displayed in a separate window;
* updated procedure for caching requests to online services;
* added add-on submenu to NVDA menu;
* updated ReadMe.

Please note that Lexicala Dictionaries only allows 300 free inquiries per day.
Therefore, if you plan to use this service - please register your own account.

You can download the updated version here:
https://github.com/grisov/quickDictionary/releases/download/v2.0/quickDictionary-2.0.nvda-addon

Have a nice week-end!
Oleksandr


Re: update on my Gmail issue

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

thanks

----- Original Message -----
From: "hurrikennyandopo ..." <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] update on my Gmail issue


Hi


Are you aware you can get your g mails through the thunder bird client
that is how I do it at the moment or actually for years.


Far easier I guess than the web version.


Gene nz


On 12/12/2020 7:53 am, Kerryn Gunness via groups.io wrote:
My question is can someone get a list of contacts how do you get there? Also how are you are able to send more than one attachment
On 9 Dec 2020, at 7:29 PM, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,
I just discovered something that is a little strange. The contacts
list in Gmail's basic HTML view is also a table, and NVDA reads names
associated with the checkboxes on that page, but not when browsing
messages.
Bob








Re: update on my Gmail issue

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

hey bob

thanks

re the attachment, i tried that, but the focus moved
no open dialogue box opened

where do i find the link for contacts i dont see it

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Cavanaugh" <cavbob1993@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] update on my Gmail issue


I was interested in Thunderbird about 10 years ago, but never
installed it. I'm fine with using the web interface, as long as it's
the basic HTML. As for getting a list of contacts, there's a link for
that in your navigation. To send more than one attachment, activate
the button that says "attach more files."

On 12/11/20, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


Are you aware you can get your g mails through the thunder bird client
that is how I do it at the moment or actually for years.


Far easier I guess than the web version.


Gene nz


On 12/12/2020 7:53 am, Kerryn Gunness via groups.io wrote:
My question is can someone get a list of contacts how do you get there?
Also how are you are able to send more than one attachment
On 9 Dec 2020, at 7:29 PM, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,
I just discovered something that is a little strange. The contacts
list in Gmail's basic HTML view is also a table, and NVDA reads names
associated with the checkboxes on that page, but not when browsing
messages.
Bob












Re: opera browser with NVDA

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías
 

Ah, sorry, I don't listen good the word vpn. I don't use the VPN of Opera, but other vpn is possible use with a extension for other browser. I no remember now examples.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Soporte a usuarios, comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA.

Web www.nvda.es

Experto certificado en NVDA

 

De: Jimmy Vonderlinden via groups.io
Enviado: viernes, 11 de diciembre de 2020 13:02
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] opera browser with NVDA

 

thanks. Sounds really cool! I'm glad it uses the same code base
As for the person having trouble with adresss bar in Opera all you have to do when nvda loses focus on the bar is to press alt d again. Thanks for all your help so far. You guys are the best keep the helpful tips coming

 


Re: shortcut keys

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

It's been ages since I've worked with those, so long in fact that I
can't remember what NVDA or System Access says when those are
encountered. I think JAWS and NVDA both say "edit combo box."

On 12/11/20, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 02:06 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:


What NVDA and JAWS call combo boxes accessed with the command c, System
Access calls drop-down lists, accessed with the
command d.
-
And what's even more annoying, at least to me, is that if any screen reader
uses only one of those terms to cover both object types, then the
distinction between a combo box (which allows you to type in the box itself,
rather than having to drop down and select) and dropdown box (which doesn't,
you must drop down and select) is lost.

True combo boxes seem to have fallen largely out of fashion, but they exist
as a separate entity from a dropdown box, and vice versa.

I don't really care if a single shortcut is used for both, but the
documentation should note that this means either a combo box or a dropdown
box.  The NVDA Commands Quick Reference mentions combo boxes only.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

*If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to
something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you
have a legal mind.*

~ Thomas Reed Powell






Re: shortcut keys

 

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 02:06 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
What NVDA and JAWS call combo boxes accessed with the command c, System Access calls drop-down lists, accessed with the
command d.
-
And what's even more annoying, at least to me, is that if any screen reader uses only one of those terms to cover both object types, then the distinction between a combo box (which allows you to type in the box itself, rather than having to drop down and select) and dropdown box (which doesn't, you must drop down and select) is lost.

True combo boxes seem to have fallen largely out of fashion, but they exist as a separate entity from a dropdown box, and vice versa.

I don't really care if a single shortcut is used for both, but the documentation should note that this means either a combo box or a dropdown box.  The NVDA Commands Quick Reference mentions combo boxes only.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: update on my Gmail issue

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

I was interested in Thunderbird about 10 years ago, but never
installed it. I'm fine with using the web interface, as long as it's
the basic HTML. As for getting a list of contacts, there's a link for
that in your navigation. To send more than one attachment, activate
the button that says "attach more files."

On 12/11/20, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


Are you aware you can get your g mails through the thunder bird client
that is how I do it at the moment or actually for years.


Far easier I guess than the web version.


Gene nz


On 12/12/2020 7:53 am, Kerryn Gunness via groups.io wrote:
My question is can someone get a list of contacts how do you get there?
Also how are you are able to send more than one attachment
On 9 Dec 2020, at 7:29 PM, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,
I just discovered something that is a little strange. The contacts
list in Gmail's basic HTML view is also a table, and NVDA reads names
associated with the checkboxes on that page, but not when browsing
messages.
Bob












Re: update on my Gmail issue

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Are you aware you can get your g mails through the thunder bird client that is how I do it at the moment or actually for years.


Far easier I guess than the web version.


Gene nz

On 12/12/2020 7:53 am, Kerryn Gunness via groups.io wrote:
My question is can someone get a list of contacts how do you get there? Also how are you are able to send more than one attachment
On 9 Dec 2020, at 7:29 PM, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,
I just discovered something that is a little strange. The contacts
list in Gmail's basic HTML view is also a table, and NVDA reads names
associated with the checkboxes on that page, but not when browsing
messages.
Bob







Re: shortcut keys

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

As others have said, these are screen reader commands, but many are
standardized across screen readers. They do act differently in
different screen readers however. For example, System Access
acknowledges that there are landmarks on a page by automatically
starting to read from a main landmark, but has no way to navigate by
landmark. What NVDA and JAWS call combo boxes accessed with the
command c, System Access calls drop-down lists, accessed with the
command d. Another difference, and this one is kind of annoying, is
that System Access and NVDA both inform you that there aren't anymore
headings on a page but keep you at the last heading, while JAWS rapps
back to the top of the page. Different screen readers do have
different commands. For instance, in JAWS, insert F5 provides a list
of form controls, insert F6 provides a list of headings, and insert F7
provides a list of links. In NVDA, insert F7 brings up an elements
list, from which all the above elements can be listed by navigating to
the radio buttons and choosing the one you want.

On 12/11/20, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:
Are the shortcut keys such as l for links, h for headers, b for buttons
NVDA shortcut keys or they windows shortcuts?







Re: update on my Gmail issue

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

My question is can someone get a list of contacts how do you get there? Also how are you are able to send more than one attachment

On 9 Dec 2020, at 7:29 PM, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,
I just discovered something that is a little strange. The contacts
list in Gmail's basic HTML view is also a table, and NVDA reads names
associated with the checkboxes on that page, but not when browsing
messages.
Bob





Re: opera browser with NVDA

Jimmy Vonderlinden
 

thanks. Sounds really cool! I'm glad it uses the same code base
As for the person having trouble with adresss bar in Opera all you have to do when nvda loses focus on the bar is to press alt d again. Thanks for all your help so far. You guys are the best keep the helpful tips coming


Re: shortcut keys

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,

 

These are the same navigation quick keys that are found in most other screen readers to navigate PDF HTML and word documents which possess HTML elements in them. 

 

Tony

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don H
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 11:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] shortcut keys

 

Are the shortcut keys such as l for links, h for headers, b for buttons
NVDA shortcut keys or they windows shortcuts?





 


Re: shortcut keys

Gene
 

In my original message, I said they are called quick navigation commands. On reflection, I don't know if they are called quick navigation keys or commands or both.

And the command is k for link in NVDA.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 11:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] shortcut keys

They are called quick navigation commands and they are determined by your
screen-reader when using the virtual pc cursor or browse mode, whatever your
screen-reader calls it. However, there is a lot of standardization between
NVDA and JAWS regarding these commands, they are almost all the same. I
don't know about other screen-readers.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] shortcut keys

Are the shortcut keys such as l for links, h for headers, b for buttons
NVDA shortcut keys or they windows shortcuts?


Re: shortcut keys

Gene
 

There is absolutely no comparison. The quick navigation keys allow you to do something of enormous value that you couldn't do other wise. They allow you to move by structure on web sites. There is no sighted equivalent because sighted people can just look at structures on web pages. Its as though you asked if the read title bar command should be in screen-readers but nop virtual ribbon menus. Again, the read title bar command gives you access to something sighted people can just look at and it gives immediate access to very important information.

the virtual ribbon menu JAWS implemented does nothing that is not already done as well or better by ribbons. It provides an unnecessary interface that limits blind people. By limiting, I mean that instructions for sighted users always use the real ribbons, of course, and tutorials for blind users usually use the real ribbons when giving instructions. Therefore, you are significantly limited if you know the JAWSS interface and not the real one.

Have you tried to learn ribbons and not the JAWS special interface? If so, what problems did you have?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 11:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] shortcut keys

OK so it is ok for NVDA to have such useful shortcut keys for headings,
links buttons and so on but it is not ok to have a virtual ribbon
function like Jaws has?

On 12/11/2020 11:01 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
NVDA commands.


NVDA portuguese team

NVDA portuguese team


Às 16:55 de 11/12/2020, Don H escreveu:
Are the shortcut keys such as l for links, h for headers, b for buttons NVDA shortcut keys or they windows shortcuts?










Re: shortcut keys

Kyle McRorey
 

Hello my name is Kyle I am a certified assistive technology trainer graduate of access technology institute.  I do not personally like the idea of a virtual ribbon menu and NVDA that is similar to JAWS. As a trainer my experience is that such menus actually mess people up that is it is not correct mainstream windows user interface.


Re: shortcut keys

 

On Fri, Dec 11, 2020 at 12:33 PM, Don H wrote:
OK so it is ok for NVDA to have such useful shortcut keys for headings, links buttons and so on but it is not ok to have a virtual ribbon function like Jaws has?
-
JAWS has used quick browsing shortcut keys for years and years now, most of which are the same as the ones NVDA is using.

The virtual ribbon is a crutch, was introduced when accessibility to the ribbon was sketchy because it was new, and is utterly unnecessary now.  The ribbons are nothing more than menus that have a slightly different navigation method.  And since they've been the de facto standard user interface for over a decade now, knowing how to use them in their native, and entirely accessible, form is far better than creating an unnecessary system to overlay them.  Freedom Scientific is not doing anyone any favors by not retiring this feature.


The NVDA Commands Quick Reference can be brought up with the command NVDA+N,H,Q.  It's one of the handiest commands when you need to find one of the commands you seldom use or have just forgotten.  The User Guide can be opened with NVDA+N,H,U.

 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

If you think that you can think about a thing, inextricably attached to something else, without thinking of the thing it is attached to, then you have a legal mind.

        ~ Thomas Reed Powell

 


Re: shortcut keys

Gene
 

They are called quick navigation commands and they are determined by your screen-reader when using the virtual pc cursor or browse mode, whatever your screen-reader calls it. However, there is a lot of standardization between NVDA and JAWS regarding these commands, they are almost all the same. I don't know about other screen-readers.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2020 10:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] shortcut keys

Are the shortcut keys such as l for links, h for headers, b for buttons
NVDA shortcut keys or they windows shortcuts?


Re: opera browser with NVDA

Gene
 

The original questioner asked about whether the VPN feature is accessible.  I don't know, I haven't used Opera. However, the Brave browser allows you to open pages using Tor and that is accessible.  I don't know if you will e able to do what you want with Tor.  I just tried using Youtube in the Tor Window and Youtube didn't accept the connection.  The New York Times did.


Gene

On 12/11/2020 10:48 AM, Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías via groups.io wrote:

Hi all.

Opera is accessible with NVDA because the base is Chromium, the same base of Google Chrome. Well, when I used this browser a day, I have a problem in the navigation of address bar, but the browser is usable and accessible.

Regards.

 

 

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías.

Soporte a usuarios, comunidad hispanohablante de NVDA.

Web www.nvda.es

Experto certificado en NVDA

 

De: Jimmy Vonderlinden via groups.io
Enviado: viernes, 11 de diciembre de 2020 7:39
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] opera browser with NVDA

 

hey guys
Has anyone used Opera with NVDA and  how accessible is it? I've heard that it has a free vpn and wondering if that part is usable as well. I'm a google chrome user, but figured I would try this browser because I always like to see how accessability is from one browser to the next. Any tips or feedback would be greatly appreciated
Hope you all have a happyy and healthy holiday season!

 

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