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Re: Do you use plain text email or HTML-formatted? #poll-notice

 

Thank you to all who have replied.  Someone pointed out to me something I had overlooked completely, since I have been so focused on the absent "Reply to Sender" link in one of the two formats:  BOTH have an email link for the message's sender at the very end of the cluster of links, right after the Unsubscribe entry, and in both cases that mailto email link is enclosed with square brackets.

So until and unless Groups.io figures out why this is happening, the ability to privately respond to the sender of any given message still exists.

There is a difference between the Reply to Sender link and the mailto link at the end of the cluster, and that is that the Reply to Sender prepopulates the Subject of the email created with the prefix, "Private:," followed by the name of the topic.  This can, of course, be changed.  The mailto link just causes an email composition window to open with the To: field prepopulated for the sender, but nothing in the Subject, so you have to put whatever subject line it is you'd like.

Again, my appreciation for all the assistance that's been given.  Although the resolution is not (yet, anyway) the consistency I'd hoped for with a Reply to Sender option there is a viable workaround that's easy enough to use until the issue is resolved.
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Re: Dell issues - information request

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi Quentin,

I didn't experience this issue with a Dell Latitude 5590 that I owned from August 2018 until I dropped and broke it in September 2019! The insurance policy I had allowed me to replace it with a Latitude 5500 but I've been using an old Asus laptop of mine rather than the Dell. I'll be back with my parents for a few days next week and will be able to try out the Dell Latitude 5500 and will be happy to post my comments on whether I experience any issues then :)

My asus G751JL gaming laptop uses RealTek audio drivers and usually requires me to forceably re-start NVDA with Alt+CTRL+n two or three times per day when NVDA grinds to a halt doing things ... I don't know whether this is related to the Dell issue and I don't know how to test it out. I've owned and heavily used the Asus laptop for a good 4 years.

Giles


Re: Dell issues - information request

Austin Pinto <austinpinto.xaviers@...>
 

yes. i also use a dell. and what ishue are you looking for?

On 12/18/20, mike mcglashon <michael.mcglashon@comcast.net> wrote:
Hi quentin:



I use dell,

I think 5570 inspiron;

I do notice that with n v d a 2020.3 at least,

When I arrow to a file in my folder list,

Then hit shift-f10,

Then hit rename file,

And whenst I arrow through the file name to edit the name,

N v d a hangs,

The whole computer hangs at that point.



Am not sure if this is the kind of data you are looking for,

But,

When I saw your message,

I decided it was the time to report it.





Please advise as you like.



Mike M.



Mike mcglashon

Email: <mailto:Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net>
Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net

Ph: 618 783 9331



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 11:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dell issues - information request



Hi everyone,



I'd like to collate a bit more information just from those having issues
with Dell PCs and NVDA at the moment please. If that's you, could you
please reply and let me know:



1) What model laptop you have?

1a) If you know what Driver / driver version you have that would be great
too please.

2) Which version of Windows are you using?

3) Which version of NVDA you are using?



If anyone is using alpha versions, if you use the stable 2020.3 does it make
a difference?



My feeling is this is a Dell / Realtek driver issue, but I'd like to double
check and also collate that information for chasing it up with Dell and
Realtek.



Kind regards



Quentin.





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Re: Dell issues - information request

mike mcglashon
 

Hi quentin:

 

I use dell,

I think 5570 inspiron;

I do notice that with n v d a 2020.3 at least,

When I arrow to a file in my folder list,

Then hit shift-f10,

Then hit rename file,

And whenst I arrow through the file name to edit the name,

N v d a hangs,

The whole computer hangs at that point.

 

Am not sure if this is the kind of data you are looking for,

But,

When I saw your message,

I decided it was the time to report it.

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 11:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Dell issues - information request

 

Hi everyone,

 

I'd like to collate a bit more information just from those having issues with Dell PCs and NVDA at the moment please.  If that's you, could you please reply and let me know:

 

1) What model laptop you have?

1a) If you know what Driver / driver version you have that would be great too please.

2) Which version of Windows are you using?

3) Which version of NVDA you are using?

 

If anyone is using alpha versions, if you use the stable 2020.3 does it make a difference?

 

My feeling is this is a Dell / Realtek driver issue, but I'd like to double check and also collate that information for chasing it up with Dell and Realtek.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

 

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A proposal for figures

Jonathan COHN
 

Gene has started a lengthly discussion whose main complaint appears to be with figures…

I just looked at a couple of articles on the New York Times.
Essentially, it looks like the pictures are now composed in the following way:
<figure>
Picture with no alt description
Text description of picture
</figure>

This is at least better than a year ago where the picture had the same information in its "alt" tag as the figure description text. The major problem with this is that as screen readers instead of
"graphic Los Angeles"
You get
Start Figure Los Angeles End Figure"
That is unless you are running MacOs VoiceOver with Grouping Navigation.
So for this simple case, where there is an unlabeled graphic contained in a Figure with a Figure caption, it would probably make sense to not use start and end tag reading.

Would this adversely effect performance?
What I am thinking is if
a) Graphic within figure does not have a label
or
B) Graphic with in figure has alt attribute that matches the Figure caption
Read Graphic with figure caption.
Else
when encountering start figure marker Read it.

One thing I am not sure about off hand is if figure tags have labels or are just automatically named by the figure caption.


Re: Using the NVDA Dictionaries to Alter Pronunciations

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


Ok then I need to address this to Code factory because I am using Eloquence.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] pronunciations

Do you have any speech dictionary entries?

For me, using eSpeak-NG, OneCore Voices or SAPI 5, I get "Zero Two Mark" for both, and for the second, at higher punctuation level I get Zero Two Line Mark".

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 9:46 PM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:
any time I have the folowing:
02 Mark
02_Mark
NVDA pronounces it MarchTwonk.
What can I do to get it to say 02 Mark? 
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Re: Do you use plain text email or HTML-formatted? #poll-notice

g melconian
 

I have version 1 when I get emails from groups.io . 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 8:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Do you use plain text email or HTML-formatted?

 

Thank you to those who responded to the poll.  Now for a follow-up that can't be done as a poll.  Would you please take a look at any Groups.io message, and it can be for any group not just NVDA, and see what the "links cluster" at the very end of your messages looks like.

The two variants I have documented are:

Version 1:
Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group.
View/Reply Online (#440): 
https://groups.io/g/blindandroidusers/message/440
Mute This Topic: 
https://groups.io/mt/78981424/24134
Mute #admin-notice:
https://groups.io/g/blindandroidusers/mutehashtag/admin-notice
Group Owner: 
blindandroidusers+owner@groups.io
Unsubscribe: 
https://groups.io/g/blindandroidusers/leave/defanged [britechguy@...]    

Version 2:
Groups.io Links:

You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Reply Online (#444) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic
Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner | Unsubscribe [britechguy@...]

Both versions begin with the string:  Groups.io Links, and I'm talking about the first occurrence of that string working upward from the end of the current message.  Since there's an awful lot of bottom quoting that occurs, there can be scads of these contained in a message from quotation, but it's the last one just before the end that's important.


I am trying to figure out if there's a correlation between the use of Plain Text mail and Links Group Version 1 and HTML-Formatted email and Version 2.  I have not yet been able to determine why the "Reply to Sender" link is not present in some messages, and am wondering if it might be due to the email formatting option in use by a user or not.  Obviously, the specific link addresses shown will not be the same as the two examples I've extracted from messages sent to me.  It's the presence or absence of the Reply to Sender link that I'm focused on.

Please send your observations to me privately, either using the Reply to Sender link at the end of this message, if present, or using my email address, britechguy@..., if it is not.
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[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: NVDA 2020.4 Beta 1 now available

Christo de Klerk
 

And I wish you everything of the very best for your exams, but I know you will pass it with flying colours in your supersonic jet.

Kind regards

Christo


On 2020/12/17 09:42am, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Supersonic jet is on its way – expect something from me within the next 30 minutes (i.e. I’m going to submit a pull request that will make your dream into a reality before I sleep tonight, although I don’t know if I might sleep given I drank too much coffee this morning in preparation for a final exam…).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2020 11:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2020.4 Beta 1 now available

 

Hi Quentin

 

Some months ago I raised the matter of the LibLouis Afrikaans grade 2 table not being included in NVDA. The response was that LibLouis developers should notify NVDA developers that the table is available for inclusion. I then raised it on the LibLouis list and as the developer of the table assured everybody that the table was fine for both forward and back translation and should be included in other products which it currently is, except for NVDA. Joseph took part in that discussion. The LibLouis developers seemed unaware that they officially had to let NVDA developers know about the table.

 

I honestly don't know what to do any more to get the table included. We need it here in our country and it has been included with every version of LibLouis since September last year. Please can you assist.

 

Kind regards

 

Christo

 

 

On 2020/12/17 12:13 am, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

Lazily copying my tweet - so you get everything in one sentence: NVDA 2020.4Beta1 is now available for testing, including  new Chinese Input methods, an update to Liblouis, the elements list now works in focus mode, context sensitive help pressing F1 in NVDA dialogs & heaps more!

 

 

As usual, please do report any issues on GitHub.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

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Merry Christmas and see you next year!

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

Just a quick note to let you know that today is my last day for the year.  I'll work through catching up on my email and the group on my return on the 11th of January.  In the meantime, if you've read today's In-process, you'll know I've directed people here for NVDA help in the first instance.  I know you'll look after them :)

If you do have anything they need from NV Access, do send it to info@....  Between us we'll try to keep an eye out for urgent emails, otherwise we'll get through everything in the new year.

Most of all, have a safe, happy and holy Christmas and new year.  Please wear a mask, maintain social distancing, and wash your hands.  Most importantly, stay home.

Kind regards, and I look forward to catching up with everyone in 2021!

Quentin.

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Re: Do you use plain text email or HTML-formatted? #poll-notice

 

Thank you to those who responded to the poll.  Now for a follow-up that can't be done as a poll.  Would you please take a look at any Groups.io message, and it can be for any group not just NVDA, and see what the "links cluster" at the very end of your messages looks like.

The two variants I have documented are:

Version 1:
Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group.
View/Reply Online (#440): https://groups.io/g/blindandroidusers/message/440
Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/78981424/24134
Mute #admin-notice:https://groups.io/g/blindandroidusers/mutehashtag/admin-notice
Group Owner: blindandroidusers+owner@groups.io
Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/blindandroidusers/leave/9551119/1131756394/xyzzy [britechguy@...]    

Version 2:
Groups.io Links:

You receive all messages sent to this group.

View/Reply Online (#444) | Reply To Group | Reply To Sender | Mute This Topic | New Topic
Your Subscription | Contact Group Owner | Unsubscribe [britechguy@...]

Both versions begin with the string:  Groups.io Links, and I'm talking about the first occurrence of that string working upward from the end of the current message.  Since there's an awful lot of bottom quoting that occurs, there can be scads of these contained in a message from quotation, but it's the last one just before the end that's important.


I am trying to figure out if there's a correlation between the use of Plain Text mail and Links Group Version 1 and HTML-Formatted email and Version 2.  I have not yet been able to determine why the "Reply to Sender" link is not present in some messages, and am wondering if it might be due to the email formatting option in use by a user or not.  Obviously, the specific link addresses shown will not be the same as the two examples I've extracted from messages sent to me.  It's the presence or absence of the Reply to Sender link that I'm focused on.

Please send your observations to me privately, either using the Reply to Sender link at the end of this message, if present, or using my email address, britechguy@..., if it is not.
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Re: Using the NVDA Dictionaries to Alter Pronunciations

 

I am making the presumption here that the reference is to the Biblical Gospel of Mark, and, if so, am wondering if the issue exhibits itself only for Chapter 2, or for other or all chapters when the format shown for the chapter two reference is used for any of the other chapters?

If it's a "cross chapter" issue, then the solution I gave would need to be tweaked again, so that any chapter number, with or without a leading zero, would be captured correctly and the replacement string would have the correct chapter supplied rather than relying on "oh two" alone.

If we're talking about all chapters for all four Gospels, I think this regular expression would work for the pattern:  \b0?([1-9]+)[ _](Matthew|Mark|Luke|John)\b
where the replacement would be:  \1 \2   
which could still be a problem depending on the synth and voice
or, potentially: \2 Chapter \1
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[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Dell issues - information request

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

I'd like to collate a bit more information just from those having issues with Dell PCs and NVDA at the moment please.  If that's you, could you please reply and let me know:

1) What model laptop you have?
1a) If you know what Driver / driver version you have that would be great too please.
2) Which version of Windows are you using?
3) Which version of NVDA you are using?

If anyone is using alpha versions, if you use the stable 2020.3 does it make a difference?

My feeling is this is a Dell / Realtek driver issue, but I'd like to double check and also collate that information for chasing it up with Dell and Realtek.

Kind regards

Quentin.


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Re: Using the NVDA Dictionaries to Alter Pronunciations

Jeff Samco
 

When I use Code Factory's Eloquence I get the same result as Robert. When I switch to a OneCore voice I get the correct pronunciation. I think Eloquence has some built-in substitutions That takes the Mar of Mark and reads it as the month of March and tries to render the entire string as a date. I have noticed the 3-letter string of Dec, when occuring as the first part of a word, can be spoken as December. I have checked my extensive pronunciation dictionary and find nothing that might be triggering this from that aspect.

Jeff


At 03:59 PM 12/17/2020, you wrote:
Do you have any speech dictionary entries?

For me, using eSpeak-NG, OneCore Voices or SAPI 5, I get "Zero Two Mark" for both, and for the second, at higher punctuation level I get Zero Two Line Mark".

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 9:46 PM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:
any time I have the folowing:
02 Mark
02_Mark
NVDA pronounces it MarchTwonk.
What can I do to get it to say 02 Mark?Â
*********
family Times weekly Movie times
Â

go to Doc's Stream
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3
Ask Miss A to play family times on tuneIn
You can also find family times on OoTunes.
Â
Get the stream guide:
http://www.wrighthere.net/FamilyTimes/playingnow.html
********
Â

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Re: Outlook 365: Issue with announcement of selected text while composing mail

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Hi Pranav,

Unfortunately no. This happens on both my work laptop and home desktop and it’s 100% reproducible in my case. I’ve been busy so I haven’t had a chance to fetch those additional details Quinton asked for. Might need to wait until the weekend. Not a showstopping issue by any means but certainly strange and annoying. Thanks for the response :)

On Dec 16, 2020, at 6:06 PM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@...> wrote:



Luke,

 

Does the problem go away if you restart nvda?

 

I have had this happen to me on my work laptop but it is not reproducable.

Pranav


Re: Using the NVDA Dictionaries to Alter Pronunciations

Quentin Christensen
 

Do you have any speech dictionary entries?

For me, using eSpeak-NG, OneCore Voices or SAPI 5, I get "Zero Two Mark" for both, and for the second, at higher punctuation level I get Zero Two Line Mark".

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 9:46 PM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:
any time I have the folowing:
02 Mark
02_Mark
NVDA pronounces it MarchTwonk.
What can I do to get it to say 02 Mark? 
*********
family Times weekly Movie times
 

go to Doc's Stream
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3
Ask Miss A to play family times on tuneIn
You can also find family times on OoTunes.
 
 

walking in VictoryI welcome all that are interested in joining our devotionals on Monday thru saturdays at 8am EST. join the devotion channel.
Also, there is a weekly bible study at 8pm EST in the Walking with Jesus channel.
 

Add the following information in your TeamTalk
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entry name: walking in Victory
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The last In-Process for the year is out

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

The last In-Process blog post for the year is up! Want to know what's coming in NVDA 2020.4? It's there! What's "Skim reading"? - it's in the blog! NV Access Christmas trading hours? All covered! There's even a spiffy NV Access Christmas tree! :) https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-18th-december-2020/

Please do keep wearing masks, social distancing, handwashing, and if there are Covid cases in your area, just stay home!  Have a happy, safe and holy Christmas and new year, and I look forward to engaging with everyone in 2021!

Kind regards

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Re: How is verbosity decided

 

Agreed.

However we have addons, and no we shouldn't need all and don't need all.

I have what I want.

But you are right, having an everything thing is not good either.



On 18/12/2020 9:47 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 02:30 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

On 17 Dec 2020, at 10:42, g melconian wrote:

All, I think the best approach , is giving   the user choice and letting the  user customize what they see fit for their use case an work flow situations.  

I agree to a point, however won't that introduce a bloated situation ? I agree, but if we had the choice for 100 percent of things, I personally would not like it as there is just too much to take notes on etc. and the documentation would become way too much for any one person to handle.

-
But if you've ever looked at the settings for the JAWS screen reader, you will see that there are choices for many, many, many things.  There are also for NVDA, Windows 10, iOS, Android, etc.

No user likely ever even attempts to change well above 90% of what comes as default on any operating system or piece of software, but having the ability to do so if one so desires is built in to a huge number of complex systems.

No user is ever asked to make 100% of the choices, either, as that's the entire purpose of having defaults set.  I doubt anyone would ever have made it to day one of actual use with NVDA, JAWS, Windows, etc., if at the outset during setup you as the end user were require to make every single choice of configuration that the software allows.  It could take days, literally, for some software.

Defaults must be chosen.  Defaults are chosen.  Defaults will not be to every individual user's satisfaction.  Them's the facts, and it's never, ever going to be any different, because it can't be different.  And that's why I find this whole discussion exhausting, as I would think that each and every member of this group has been around computers and software long enough to understand why the first three sentences of this paragraph are axiomatic.
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        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: Using the NVDA Dictionaries to Alter Pronunciations

 

Robert,

           Please use the pattern string that is in the downloadable instructions:  \s?0?2[ _]Mark\s

           I changed it such that if what you want pronounced as, "oh two Mark," were to occur as the very first part of the any line, it would still match.  A single question mark character makes all the difference between not matching and matching at the start of a line.

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[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: How is verbosity decided

 
Edited

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 04:41 PM, g melconian wrote:
So that is not a true statement that 90% don’t change  settings or customizations . 
-
Not what I said.  What I said was, "in the real world 90% of your existing users change certain somethings."

Note clearly, I said 90% change certain somethings.  What those somethings are vary, and they are seldom anything near to all the hundreds to thousands of settings some complex software has.

I'd actually say I was wrong if you consider what I said to mean only 90%.  Certainly not what was intended, as I'd say it's very, very close to 100% of users who tweak something about one or more pieces of software that they use. 
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[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: How is verbosity decided

Gene
 

We have heard from perhaps four or five people in this discussion, stating preferences. That's not representative. So that doesn't mean anything about what people like or want. I have stated certain things that I think would be good to change such as the bloc quote setting and you may disagree but it is not unreasonable to keep a well thought out opinion. Disagreement is not necessarily rigidity.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2020 3:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How is verbosity decided

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 11:42 AM, Gene wrote:
Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I am unreasonable.-
Indeed. And it has nothing to do with why I believe you are unreasonable. And my reasons for believing so have been clearly articulated. You are rigid, and have demonstrated this again and again. I can't count how many people, other than myself, have been trying to shake you out of this rigidity on this topic alone. You just will not listen, no matter how many times you say, "I'm willing to consider other viewpoints," you demonstrate that you will not do so in the vast majority of cases.

Most of your contributions to this topic blithely ignore anything that's in opposition to your own initial opinion that have come in as it's progressed. This is pattern, and not isolated to this topic.

You are a clearly very, very intelligent person. You are someone who also thinks deeply about a wide array of topics. But you are rigid once you have reached your own conclusion, even when floods of counterpoints are presented. That is what makes you unreasonable.

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[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:] Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next. We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

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