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How to get NVDA to read password notification in Edge

mike mcglashon
 

Hey guys:

 

I was just on amazon with my wife nearby, and,

After I put my password in,

It came up with a pop up window that asked me if I wanted it to remember my password;

My question is,

Using nvda,

How do I get into that little dialogue?

I tried to f6 and shift-f6 to get there, but I never saw it.

She had to click it away with the mouse?

Is there a way first,

To have nvda read the notification? And,

How do I get to it to even know it is there to click it away?

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


Re: word perfect

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


I use to use Word Perfect back in the DOS days. I used it when running my BEP stand.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 8:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] word perfect

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 09:35 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
WordPerfect still exists?
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Apparently so.  Look under the Office section of the Products Dropdown on the Corel Home Page.

I can't say anything about it's accessibility, and if I were not already a long-term WordPerfect user, I'd look at other options, several excellent ones of which are free and accessible.
 
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[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: 2020-12-19: Add-ons Site Up and Running Again

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

Just to update, the server issue has been resolved and everything should be working again. Apologies for the inconvenience n

Quentin

On Sat, 19 Dec 2020, 22:37 Quentin Christensen via groups.io, <quentin=nvaccess.org@groups.io> wrote:
Hi everyone,

We're aware of the issue with the add-ons site being down, and we're looking into it. Thanks for your patience.

Quentin


Re: word perfect

 

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 01:38 PM, Don H wrote:
So far no one has said they are currently using Word Perfect.
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Correct.  And that should tell you something about the potential risk it might not be accessible.  It may be, but without confirmation from another screen reader user who uses it, and specifically the same version you could purchase for the price you mentioned, it's a crap shoot from an accessibility standpoint.

It would be interesting to have the accessibility confirmed or refuted, though.  I haven't personally known anyone using WordPerfect in many years, or I'd even be willing to try it out with a portable version of NVDA just for kicks.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: word perfect

Arlene
 

Wow! Word Perfect does exist?  I only used word 5.1 when it was in doss.  I liked it. But I never tried other versions of it.  I went to word 97 when I was in college.  Then I went to outlook 2010 witch had word and others.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: December 19, 2020 10:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] word perfect

 

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 11:42 AM, David Goldfield wrote:

At that time it had the old school menu bar interface that many Windows programs were still using at that time, similar to Office 2003 and earlier.

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David,

          Related to this, did you ever get to play with SoftMaker Free Office, TextMaker in particular, if it was installed with the "use menus" style rather than the more typical ribbons?  I've already verified that the ribbons are not accessible, but the testing I was able to do suggested that the menus interface was completely accessible.

           It's a shame that the installer, where you have to make the choice of menus versus ribbons, is not (or wasn't for me) accessible, but that's a small price to pay if the three programs that are the equivalents of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint are completely accessible via the menu-style interface.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 

 


Re: word perfect

Don H
 

So far no one has said they are currently using Word Perfect.

On 12/19/2020 8:35 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
What? WordPerfect still exists?
I'm guessing it's nothing like the last version I had, which was WordPerfect 6 for DOS. I absolutely loved it.
On 2020-12-19 8:51 a.m., Don H wrote:
How well does the latest version of Word Perfect work with screen readers? See Word Perfect on sale for $59.






Re: word perfect

 

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 11:42 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
At that time it had the old school menu bar interface that many Windows programs were still using at that time, similar to Office 2003 and earlier.
-
David,

          Related to this, did you ever get to play with SoftMaker Free Office, TextMaker in particular, if it was installed with the "use menus" style rather than the more typical ribbons?  I've already verified that the ribbons are not accessible, but the testing I was able to do suggested that the menus interface was completely accessible.

           It's a shame that the installer, where you have to make the choice of menus versus ribbons, is not (or wasn't for me) accessible, but that's a small price to pay if the three programs that are the equivalents of Word, Excel, and PowerPoint are completely accessible via the menu-style interface.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: word perfect

Blaster
 

The program formerly from JASC, Paintshop Pro is now owned by Corel.
I only use it for scanning documents, but it was an accessible program
when it was owned by JASC and Corel has maintained it's accessibility,
so I'd hope that they'd do the same for Word Perfect.

Regards,
Blaster

On 12/19/20, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:
Admittedly, I have not worked with the Windows version of Wordperfect in 20
years as a student I was working with used it for her word processor. At
that time it had the old school menu bar interface that many Windows
programs were still using at that time, similar to Office 2003 and earlier.
At the time it was completely accessible. I have no idea as to how the
program's interface may have changed since that time.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 9:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] word perfect

What? WordPerfect still exists?

I'm guessing it's nothing like the last version I had, which was WordPerfect
6 for DOS. I absolutely loved it.



On 2020-12-19 8:51 a.m., Don H wrote:
How well does the latest version of Word Perfect work with screen
readers? See Word Perfect on sale for $59.















Re: word perfect

David Goldfield
 

Admittedly, I have not worked with the Windows version of Wordperfect in 20 years as a student I was working with used it for her word processor. At that time it had the old school menu bar interface that many Windows programs were still using at that time, similar to Office 2003 and earlier. At the time it was completely accessible. I have no idea as to how the program's interface may have changed since that time.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2020 9:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] word perfect

What? WordPerfect still exists?

I'm guessing it's nothing like the last version I had, which was WordPerfect 6 for DOS. I absolutely loved it.



On 2020-12-19 8:51 a.m., Don H wrote:
How well does the latest version of Word Perfect work with screen
readers? See Word Perfect on sale for $59.






Re: word perfect

 

On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 09:35 AM, Chris Smart wrote:
WordPerfect still exists?
-
Apparently so.  Look under the Office section of the Products Dropdown on the Corel Home Page.

I can't say anything about it's accessibility, and if I were not already a long-term WordPerfect user, I'd look at other options, several excellent ones of which are free and accessible.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: word perfect

Chris Smart
 

What? WordPerfect still exists?

I'm guessing it's nothing like the last version I had, which was WordPerfect 6 for DOS. I absolutely loved it.

On 2020-12-19 8:51 a.m., Don H wrote:
How well does the latest version of Word Perfect work with screen readers? See Word Perfect on sale for $59.





word perfect

Don H
 

How well does the latest version of Word Perfect work with screen readers? See Word Perfect on sale for $59.


2020-12-19: Add-ons Site Up and Running Again

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

We're aware of the issue with the add-ons site being down, and we're looking into it. Thanks for your patience.

Quentin


Re: copy to clip board

Arlene
 

I like that. I like how NVDA says Copy to clipboard. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Don H
Sent: December 18, 2020 2:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] copy to clip board

 

The fnew feature within the NVDA beta where it says copy to clip board

and then says what has been copied is really a nice new feature.

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: copy to clip board

Vickie Andrada
 

I personally like it. For me it's not a big deal to hit the control key if I don't want to hear exactly what it's copied. But each to their own. So maybe it'd be good to be able to turn this off if you didn't want it.

Vicki

On 12/18/2020 7:09 PM, Gene wrote:
Comments on what's new in the beta:

I don't think automatic reading of what is copied to the clipboard is a good feature.  First, it only says copied to clipboard where it always has, that is, in Browse Mode.  It doesn't do what the add-on does, that is, say copied or copied to clipboard in general.  The only change is that it now repeats the text you have copied to the clipboard, which  is already available using the command NVDA c.  I generally know what I have selected before I copy it and I'd rather issue the command to hear it if I want it announced.  This way, I have to stop speech every time I don't want the readout.


I think the automatic reading should be removed and that the announcement of copied or copied to clipboard should be made universal, as the add-on does.


I wouldn't object if an announcement were made when copying text that says something like, to hear what has been selected before copying, use NVDA c or NVDA key c.  You would then be instructed that to stop this announcement, do something like issue the command NVDA c quickly twice.  But this is an example of too much automation and it tells you what is copied after you did so where the NVDA c command tells you what you will copy.  I don't want to make this more important than it is.  Pressing control to stop speech takes almost no time and can be gotten used to quickly, its the principle.  I think its too much verbosity and often duplicates what I hear when I want to when selecting text or using NVDA key 3.


I very seldom work with sites that have Aria live regions, so I can't test this, but the feature that turns off speech from those regions when dynamic content is turned off is an important addition.


When using the f1 help in NVDA dialogs, in the one dialog I tested it in, document formatting, you lose your place in the dialog when help is opened with f1.  Closing help returns you to the beginning of the dialog.  Also, after frames, there is an unlabeled checkbox and it is not listed in the help documentation.  why is it there and what does it do?


Figure and out of figure are also still not controllable in the object presentation dialog.

Gene

12/18/2020 4:10 PM, Don H wrote:

The fnew feature within the NVDA beta where it says copy to clip board and then says what has been copied is really a nice new feature.








Re: copy to clip board

Gene
 

Comments on what's new in the beta:

I don't think automatic reading of what is copied to the clipboard is a good feature.  First, it only says copied to clipboard where it always has, that is, in Browse Mode.  It doesn't do what the add-on does, that is, say copied or copied to clipboard in general.  The only change is that it now repeats the text you have copied to the clipboard, which  is already available using the command NVDA c.  I generally know what I have selected before I copy it and I'd rather issue the command to hear it if I want it announced.  This way, I have to stop speech every time I don't want the readout.


I think the automatic reading should be removed and that the announcement of copied or copied to clipboard should be made universal, as the add-on does.


I wouldn't object if an announcement were made when copying text that says something like, to hear what has been selected before copying, use NVDA c or NVDA key c.  You would then be instructed that to stop this announcement, do something like issue the command NVDA c quickly twice.  But this is an example of too much automation and it tells you what is copied after you did so where the NVDA c command tells you what you will copy.  I don't want to make this more important than it is.  Pressing control to stop speech takes almost no time and can be gotten used to quickly, its the principle.  I think its too much verbosity and often duplicates what I hear when I want to when selecting text or using NVDA key 3.


I very seldom work with sites that have Aria live regions, so I can't test this, but the feature that turns off speech from those regions when dynamic content is turned off is an important addition.


When using the f1 help in NVDA dialogs, in the one dialog I tested it in, document formatting, you lose your place in the dialog when help is opened with f1.  Closing help returns you to the beginning of the dialog.  Also, after frames, there is an unlabeled checkbox and it is not listed in the help documentation.  why is it there and what does it do?


Figure and out of figure are also still not controllable in the object presentation dialog.

Gene

12/18/2020 4:10 PM, Don H wrote:

The fnew feature within the NVDA beta where it says copy to clip board and then says what has been copied is really a nice new feature.





copy to clip board

Don H
 

The fnew feature within the NVDA beta where it says copy to clip board and then says what has been copied is really a nice new feature.


locked Re: [chat] is it possible to access the BIOS with a screen reader

 

I do not know who elected to move this topic, appropriately originated on the Chat Subgroup, here, and I am presuming it is accidental.

That being said, this topic is now locked.  We absolutely know that BIOS/UEFI is not accessible using NVDA, JAWS, Narrator, or any of the other now out-of-support Windows platform screen readers.  It's not going to become so using any of those screen readers, because it can't, since UEFI/BIOS access must occur before Windows is running, and Windows must be running before the screen readers listed can run.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


locked Re: [chat] is it possible to access the BIOS with a screen reader

Howard Traxler
 

In what memory location (address) are the BIOS values stored?  It seems that one could simply write a program to read that section of memory and display the content.  The next step would be to modify those values and write it all back to memory.

On 12/18/2020 1:39 PM, Clive May wrote:
Hi
In the days of DOS, there was a suite of utilities which would read the BIOS settings into a HEX file and write them back to the BIOS.  There was no utility, as far as I know,  to allow you to amend the file and, if there had been a way, I am uncertain if the settings could be put back successfully if the file was changed.


On 18/12/2020 18:16, Howard Traxler wrote:
In the distant passed, I was successful dumping the screen to a Braille embosser through the parallel port each time I made a change.


On 12/18/2020 9:40 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here.

In order to run my virtual machine it requires a change to the BIOS settings on my PC.

Can one access the BIOS without sighted assistance?

I am thinking not, because the BIOS comes up before Windows boots.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

My professor is looking into getting sighted assistance to help, but as my entire family has COVID we’re stuck at the moment.

Regards

Molly


locked Re: [chat] is it possible to access the BIOS with a screen reader

Clive May <clive.may@...>
 

Hi


I believe it's a security matter. 


On 18/12/2020 18:22, Shaun Everiss wrote:

No, you will need to have someone with sight do that.

You'd think that there would be a reader now for bios, since the efi os is quite detailed.

On a probook I worked on it appeared like a menu driven program like you would see in a text editor like notepad, why it was never ported to windows is anyone's guess.

Toshiba did that in the day, first a menu then a control panel type program then an app.

One assumes it could be a universal but you need someone to ddo that for you.



On 19/12/2020 4:40 am, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hey guys, Molly here.

In order to run my virtual machine it requires a change to the BIOS settings on my PC.

Can one access the BIOS without sighted assistance?

I am thinking not, because the BIOS comes up before Windows boots.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

My professor is looking into getting sighted assistance to help, but as my entire family has COVID we’re stuck at the moment.

Regards

Molly

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