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Re: Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

 

Well I don't have suggestions for actual devices.

However I just would like to remind all, that due to covid international shipping is a joke and prices really high.

Last year while ordering rare christ mas shopping items I spent a lot, now even if you had the cash to pay for shipping chances are they would take time to get here then be stuck at the docks.

And now with the latest australia cluster the restrictions on borders have gotten a lot more harsher.

So now its longer.

Right now I wouldn't go international at least not right now.

On 21/12/2020 12:20 pm, Gene wrote:
I don't follow buy and sell lists.  Others may have suggestions.

This thread may be stopped soon so you may need to join the NVDA chat list to get suggestions.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Smart
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 3:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

Hi Gene.


So far, I've only tried advertising on Blind Bargains, Twitter, and a
couple of assistive devices groups on Facebook.


Which mailing lists would you recommend?


thanks

Chris



On 2020-12-20 4:43 p.m., Gene wrote:
Have you tried on the buy and sell lists for blind people?  Such a scanner isn't just an ordinary scanner.  It is specifically designed for scanning books without damaging the binding.  I don't know how good using a camera is for long scanning jobs like books.

You might have better luck if you had information, if it is true, regarding the superiority of using a book scanner than a camera for scanning a book.

Then, there are sighted people who want to digitize their book collections and who want to use a book scanner.  there may be some place you might post an ad to get the notice of those who want to digitize their book collections..

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Smart
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 3:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

I have a barely used Plustech Opticbook 4800 flatbed scanner here. Does
anyone think I will ever find a buyer for it? Just about everybody's
scanning/OCR needs are being met by the various smartphone apps these
days. Trying to sell this is harder than trying to sell a non-interpoint
Braille embosser. LOL




On 2020-12-20 3:40 p.m., hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Mo.


Have you got a cell phone or smart phone with a camera. On the phone I have hear I have apps that can take a picture then ocr it to text then I can save it to other places or plug it into the computer and take the files off it in text form it would depend on the camera on the phone usually a 8mp is recommended for saying taking a picture of a form then ocring it to text.


there are both free and paid apps that can do that and I guess it would depend on the platform of your phone and what is in the app store just another idea.


Gene nz



On 21/12/2020 3:11 am, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:
Hello Everyone.

I am wondering if anyone can help with the following. I am looking for a document camera as desk space is limited. I do not want a camera which is tied to any specific software if it can be helped. I have previously tried solutions from visionaid and the Perl camera from freedom scientific, but I was never able to get them working with any software other than the software the devices come with.

I have seen document cameras for sale on Amazon, but it's unclear from the description if any of them work with scanning software such as DocuScan, Free OCR, Kurzweil etc. I don't mind what software the camera uses as long as it's accessible and performs OCR, and the unit is reasonably well built and isn't too pricey. does anyone have any ideas?

Very best wishes,

Mo.























Re: Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

 

Actually you can.

Now you can just get a multifunction device.

Everything from the lowest inkjet to laser will have scan, fax, etc.

They do have stripped down ocr software, some have full versions or full versions registered for it.

The cheapest units have no software at all.

On 21/12/2020 10:30 am, Rob Hudson wrote:
I love those scanners. Too bad I cant afford it lol.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <ve3rwj@winsystem.org>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 16:13:40 -0500
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

I have a barely used Plustech Opticbook 4800 flatbed scanner here. Does
anyone think I will ever find a buyer for it? Just about everybody's
scanning/OCR needs are being met by the various smartphone apps these
days. Trying to sell this is harder than trying to sell a non-interpoint
Braille embosser. LOL




On 2020-12-20 3:40 p.m., hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Mo.


Have you got a cell phone or smart phone with a camera. On the phone I
have hear I have apps that can take a picture then ocr it to text then
I can save it to other places or plug it into the computer and take
the files off it in text form it would depend on the camera on the
phone usually a 8mp is recommended for saying taking a picture of a
form then ocring it to text.


there are both free and paid apps that can do that and I guess it
would depend on the platform of your phone and what is in the app
store just another idea.


Gene nz



On 21/12/2020 3:11 am, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:
Hello Everyone.

I am wondering if anyone can help with the following. I am looking
for a document camera as desk space is limited. I do not want a
camera which is tied to any specific software if it can be helped. I
have previously tried solutions from visionaid and the Perl camera
from freedom scientific, but I was never able to get them working
with any software other than the software the devices come with.

I have seen document cameras for sale on Amazon, but it's unclear
from the description if any of them work with scanning software such
as DocuScan, Free OCR, Kurzweil etc. I don't mind what software the
camera uses as long as it's accessible and performs OCR, and the unit
is reasonably well built and isn't too pricey. does anyone have any
ideas?

Very best wishes,

Mo.













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Re: Odd arrow keys and speak current character behavior with MinTTY under Windows Subsystem for Linux

Dan Miner
 

*sigh* How about that... that seems to clear it up and arrow keys are reading the characters. I would have never thought of that one.

Would anyone have a clue of an explanation for why this works?

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tyler Spivey
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 8:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd arrow keys and speak current character behavior with MinTTY under Windows Subsystem for Linux

No, it wasn't.
I don't use mintty at all, but I just tried it and got the same result as you.
Press alt space, Options, change the cursor type from Line to Underscore.

On 12/20/2020 7:07 PM, Dan Miner via groups.io wrote:
Was my question confusing or unclear?

I’d research deeper but I’m still pretty new to NVDA and still unsure
where to look in the codebase. The fact that backspace reads the
deleted character is encouraging and suggests the support code in
MinTTY or Putty for NVDA may just need a bit of adjustment. I’d do it
myself but need a helping hand getting started and pointed in the right direction.

Dan
On Dec 9, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Dan Miner via groups.io
<dminer84=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:



Just wanted to check to see if I am doing something wrong but I am
having troubles editing shell commands with minty in any environment
that uses it so far (Git for Windows, msys2 and WSLTTY).

I just installed the latest versions of Git for Windows, msys2 and
WSLTTY in the last week And ran across a “consistent” problem. I am
using bash in its default configuration from these packages (Ubuntu
20.04.1 for WSL2).

The initial set up to reproduce problem (keeping it simple):

Type: echo hi

Without hitting return and intending to edit that line, changing hi
(all lowercase) to Hi (with a capital H).

Press left arrow and “space” is spoken” and if you continue hitting
the left or right arrows, you will always get “space” said. So, it
is easy to get lost as none of the under lying characters are spoken.
Thus, I hit the speak current character (Keypad 2) and I get an
inconsistent spoken output of “space” or the character under the
cursor. Typical instances it will alternate between the two states
and one time I got repeating twice. To clarify, it would say
“space”, “space” “h”, “h”, and cycle back to “space”. But in this
simple example and movement, it will likely just alternate back and
forth between “space” and the letter (“I” in this case).

A partial workaround I have found is using bash’s readline advanced
editing keys. If I use control+left arrow and move by word, NVDA
will speak the words as expected. However, I still have to deal with
arrow key problem and speak character issues within the word of interest.

Is anyone seeing this behavior? It has been going on for many
versions of NVDA (easily a year).

As sanity check, the standard cmd console behaves as expected with
these features.

Dan


Re: Odd arrow keys and speak current character behavior with MinTTY under Windows Subsystem for Linux

Dan Miner
 

Well, I’ll take a peek and see if I can make any sense of it.

 

As for why, I find myself in WSL, mSYS2 and Cygwin depending on the task I am trying to do or testing.  It would be helpful to have a consistent terminal for them all and MinTTY is the closest I know of.  Regarding using Cmd console, it doesn’t work in ways needed for anything that prompts for a password in the Cygwin-style.  So, ssh, svn and “native git” will fail horribly and hair loss is soon to follow.

 

I’m actually a Linux guy trying to adapt to developing on Windows and for Windows.  Thus, I keep running back to UNIX-like land when my blood pressure gets too high.  *smiley*

 

The WSL standard terminal (basically Cmd but not quite) has an accessibility bug and will not respond to ALT+spacebar to open the system menu.  I couldn’t turn on cut and paste until recently  because my object navigation skills in NVDA reached a level I could find the system menu in the terminal UI object structure and get the mouse over there and simulate a left lick on it.

 

Now if I could figure out why the terminal audible bell doesn’t work for any minty (WSL, MSYS2 or Cygwin)…

    Dan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 10:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Odd arrow keys and speak current character behavior with MinTTY under Windows Subsystem for Linux

 

If you would like to debug this yourself, you can probably start with class Terminal - defined in NVDAObjects/behaviors.py.

But also, just curious, why can't you use normal command prompt if things are working fine there? If I remember correctly MSYS can run in command prompt.

On a side note, I have been suffering from poor editing experience in command line too, mostly over ssh connections, soI have been thinking about an add-on that would provide a better way to edit command in command line - it will try to identify current text in command line and open it up in a fully accessible edit box, then after editing it will update it back in the command line. So whenever I have some free time, I'll work on this.

HTH

--Tony

On 12/9/2020 9:59 AM, Dan Miner via groups.io wrote:

Just wanted to check to see if I am doing something wrong but I am having troubles editing shell commands with minty in any environment that uses it so far (Git for Windows, msys2 and WSLTTY).

 

I just installed the latest versions of Git for Windows, msys2 and WSLTTY in the last week And ran across a “consistent” problem.  I am using bash in its default configuration from these packages (Ubuntu 20.04.1 for WSL2).

 

 

The initial set up to reproduce problem (keeping it simple):

 

Type: echo hi

 

Without hitting return and intending to edit that line, changing hi (all lowercase) to Hi (with a capital H).

 

Press left arrow and “space” is spoken” and if you continue hitting the left or right arrows, you will always get “space” said.  So, it is easy to get lost as none of the under lying characters are spoken.  Thus, I hit the speak current character (Keypad 2) and I get an inconsistent spoken output of “space” or the character under the cursor.  Typical instances it will alternate between the two states and one time I got repeating twice.  To clarify, it would say “space”, “space” “h”, “h”, and cycle back to “space”.  But in this simple example and movement, it will likely just alternate back and forth between “space” and the letter (“I” in this case).

 

A partial workaround I have found is using bash’s readline advanced editing keys.  If I use control+left arrow and move by word, NVDA will speak the words as expected.  However, I still have to deal with arrow key problem and speak character issues within the word of interest.

 

Is anyone seeing this behavior?  It has been going on for many versions of NVDA (easily a year).

 

As sanity check, the standard cmd console behaves as expected with these features.

 

    Dan


Re: Odd arrow keys and speak current character behavior with MinTTY under Windows Subsystem for Linux

Tony Malykh
 

If you would like to debug this yourself, you can probably start with class Terminal - defined in NVDAObjects/behaviors.py.

But also, just curious, why can't you use normal command prompt if things are working fine there? If I remember correctly MSYS can run in command prompt.

On a side note, I have been suffering from poor editing experience in command line too, mostly over ssh connections, soI have been thinking about an add-on that would provide a better way to edit command in command line - it will try to identify current text in command line and open it up in a fully accessible edit box, then after editing it will update it back in the command line. So whenever I have some free time, I'll work on this.

HTH

--Tony

On 12/9/2020 9:59 AM, Dan Miner via groups.io wrote:

Just wanted to check to see if I am doing something wrong but I am having troubles editing shell commands with minty in any environment that uses it so far (Git for Windows, msys2 and WSLTTY).

 

I just installed the latest versions of Git for Windows, msys2 and WSLTTY in the last week And ran across a “consistent” problem.  I am using bash in its default configuration from these packages (Ubuntu 20.04.1 for WSL2).

 

 

The initial set up to reproduce problem (keeping it simple):

 

Type: echo hi

 

Without hitting return and intending to edit that line, changing hi (all lowercase) to Hi (with a capital H).

 

Press left arrow and “space” is spoken” and if you continue hitting the left or right arrows, you will always get “space” said.  So, it is easy to get lost as none of the under lying characters are spoken.  Thus, I hit the speak current character (Keypad 2) and I get an inconsistent spoken output of “space” or the character under the cursor.  Typical instances it will alternate between the two states and one time I got repeating twice.  To clarify, it would say “space”, “space” “h”, “h”, and cycle back to “space”.  But in this simple example and movement, it will likely just alternate back and forth between “space” and the letter (“I” in this case).

 

A partial workaround I have found is using bash’s readline advanced editing keys.  If I use control+left arrow and move by word, NVDA will speak the words as expected.  However, I still have to deal with arrow key problem and speak character issues within the word of interest.

 

Is anyone seeing this behavior?  It has been going on for many versions of NVDA (easily a year).

 

As sanity check, the standard cmd console behaves as expected with these features.

 

    Dan


Re: Odd arrow keys and speak current character behavior with MinTTY under Windows Subsystem for Linux

Tony Malykh
 

If you would like to debug this yourself, you can probably start with class Terminal - defined in NVDAObjects/behaviors.py.

But also, just curious, why can't you use normal command prompt if things are working fine there? If I remember correctly MSYS can run in command prompt.

On a side note, I have been suffering from poor editing experience in command line too, mostly over ssh connections, soI have been thinking about an add-on that would provide a better way to edit command in command line - it will try to identify current text in command line and open it up in a fully accessible edit box, then after editing it will update it back in the command line. So whenever I have some free time, I'll work on this.

HTH

--Tony

On 12/9/2020 9:59 AM, Dan Miner via groups.io wrote:

Just wanted to check to see if I am doing something wrong but I am having troubles editing shell commands with minty in any environment that uses it so far (Git for Windows, msys2 and WSLTTY).

 

I just installed the latest versions of Git for Windows, msys2 and WSLTTY in the last week And ran across a “consistent” problem.  I am using bash in its default configuration from these packages (Ubuntu 20.04.1 for WSL2).

 

 

The initial set up to reproduce problem (keeping it simple):

 

Type: echo hi

 

Without hitting return and intending to edit that line, changing hi (all lowercase) to Hi (with a capital H).

 

Press left arrow and “space” is spoken” and if you continue hitting the left or right arrows, you will always get “space” said.  So, it is easy to get lost as none of the under lying characters are spoken.  Thus, I hit the speak current character (Keypad 2) and I get an inconsistent spoken output of “space” or the character under the cursor.  Typical instances it will alternate between the two states and one time I got repeating twice.  To clarify, it would say “space”, “space” “h”, “h”, and cycle back to “space”.  But in this simple example and movement, it will likely just alternate back and forth between “space” and the letter (“I” in this case).

 

A partial workaround I have found is using bash’s readline advanced editing keys.  If I use control+left arrow and move by word, NVDA will speak the words as expected.  However, I still have to deal with arrow key problem and speak character issues within the word of interest.

 

Is anyone seeing this behavior?  It has been going on for many versions of NVDA (easily a year).

 

As sanity check, the standard cmd console behaves as expected with these features.

 

    Dan


Re: Odd arrow keys and speak current character behavior with MinTTY under Windows Subsystem for Linux

Tyler Spivey
 

No, it wasn't.
I don't use mintty at all, but I just tried it and got the same result as you.
Press alt space, Options, change the cursor type from Line to Underscore.

On 12/20/2020 7:07 PM, Dan Miner via groups.io wrote:
Was my question confusing or unclear?
I’d research deeper but I’m still pretty new to NVDA and still unsure where to look in the codebase.  The fact that backspace reads the deleted character is encouraging and suggests the support code in MinTTY or Putty for NVDA may just need a bit of adjustment.  I’d do it myself but need a helping hand getting started and pointed in the right direction.
    Dan
On Dec 9, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Dan Miner via groups.io <dminer84=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:



Just wanted to check to see if I am doing something wrong but I am having troubles editing shell commands with minty in any environment that uses it so far (Git for Windows, msys2 and WSLTTY).

I just installed the latest versions of Git for Windows, msys2 and WSLTTY in the last week And ran across a “consistent” problem.  I am using bash in its default configuration from these packages (Ubuntu 20.04.1 for WSL2).

The initial set up to reproduce problem (keeping it simple):

Type: echo hi

Without hitting return and intending to edit that line, changing hi (all lowercase) to Hi (with a capital H).

Press left arrow and “space” is spoken” and if you continue hitting the left or right arrows, you will always get “space” said.  So, it is easy to get lost as none of the under lying characters are spoken.
Thus, I hit the speak current character (Keypad 2) and I get an inconsistent spoken output of “space” or the character under the cursor.  Typical instances it will alternate between the two states and one time I got repeating twice.  To clarify, it would say “space”, “space” “h”, “h”, and cycle back to “space”.  But in this simple example and movement, it will likely just alternate back and forth between “space” and the letter (“I” in this case).

A partial workaround I have found is using bash’s readline advanced editing keys.  If I use control+left arrow and move by word, NVDA will speak the words as expected.  However, I still have to deal with arrow key problem and speak character issues within the word of interest.

Is anyone seeing this behavior?  It has been going on for many versions of NVDA (easily a year).

As sanity check, the standard cmd console behaves as expected with these features.

    Dan


Re: Odd arrow keys and speak current character behavior with MinTTY under Windows Subsystem for Linux

Dan Miner
 

Was my question confusing or unclear?

I’d research deeper but I’m still pretty new to NVDA and still unsure where to look in the codebase.  The fact that backspace reads the deleted character is encouraging and suggests the support code in MinTTY or Putty for NVDA may just need a bit of adjustment.  I’d do it myself but need a helping hand getting started and pointed in the right direction.

    Dan

On Dec 9, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Dan Miner via groups.io <dminer84@...> wrote:



Just wanted to check to see if I am doing something wrong but I am having troubles editing shell commands with minty in any environment that uses it so far (Git for Windows, msys2 and WSLTTY).

 

I just installed the latest versions of Git for Windows, msys2 and WSLTTY in the last week And ran across a “consistent” problem.  I am using bash in its default configuration from these packages (Ubuntu 20.04.1 for WSL2).

 

 

The initial set up to reproduce problem (keeping it simple):

 

Type: echo hi

 

Without hitting return and intending to edit that line, changing hi (all lowercase) to Hi (with a capital H).

 

Press left arrow and “space” is spoken” and if you continue hitting the left or right arrows, you will always get “space” said.  So, it is easy to get lost as none of the under lying characters are spoken.  Thus, I hit the speak current character (Keypad 2) and I get an inconsistent spoken output of “space” or the character under the cursor.  Typical instances it will alternate between the two states and one time I got repeating twice.  To clarify, it would say “space”, “space” “h”, “h”, and cycle back to “space”.  But in this simple example and movement, it will likely just alternate back and forth between “space” and the letter (“I” in this case).

 

A partial workaround I have found is using bash’s readline advanced editing keys.  If I use control+left arrow and move by word, NVDA will speak the words as expected.  However, I still have to deal with arrow key problem and speak character issues within the word of interest.

 

Is anyone seeing this behavior?  It has been going on for many versions of NVDA (easily a year).

 

As sanity check, the standard cmd console behaves as expected with these features.

 

    Dan


Re: How to study Japanese with NVDA?

Clement Chou
 

Sorry. I meant environments as in talking to people, Japanese websites
and programs, etc. My computer is set to English by default. All you
need to is install the Japanese language pack. There's no need to
switch display language or anything that complicated. Install the
pack, and make sure Japanese is one of your selected input languages.
You can use both languages side by side just fine. Installing the
Japanese language packs will also let you access the one core voices.

On 12/20/20, Daniel Gartmann <dgartmann@outlook.com> wrote:

That is very interesting.

When you say "Japanese environments". Do you mean a computer that is solely
in Japanese, or are you using a computer that comes with English?

Daniel


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> På vegne af Clement Chou
Sendt: 20. december 2020 19:29
Til: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Emne: Re: [nvda] How to study Japanese with NVDA?

I'm fluent in Japanese and use NVDA in Japanese environments regularly.
Japanese braille is indeed supported. So long as the braille display is
connected and the Japanese version of NVDA is instaled, it should work. I
had the base version of NVDA on my computer originally then slapped the
Japanese one on top of it. Feel free to contact me off list or ask the
student to contact me, and I'd love to try and help.
The command to switch between hiragana and katana is still
ctrl+capslock for hiragana and alt+capslock for Katakana. Typing in
Japanese is easy to do, provided you've studied Kanji and know the one you
want, because the descriptions of the candidate are all in Japanese of
course. NVDAJP's character description activated with numpad 2 on the
desktop keyboard layout is also very useful for learning what kanji is used
in a word.

For synthesizers, thereare tons of them out there, but I'd recommend either
any of the windows 1 core voices or protalker as a starting point since
they're both free.

On 12/20/20, Dan Miner via groups.io <dminer84=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I would like to know this as well because I am trying to teach myself
Japanese. As I understand it, the braille system is based on kana.
NVDA I believe uses the louis braille library and so it might be as
easy as loading that “code page” and converting the text into some
braille format just like we do for English. But it would be nice to
have automagic switching in a web page with a language markup on the
passages.

Anyway, I would like to know more about this too.
Dan


On Dec 20, 2020, at 6:52 AM, Marco Oros <marco.oros93@gmail.com> wrote:


OK.

Here is one problem:

Japanese has a japanese braille, but It is not implemented to NVDA,
because of three alphabets, which are used in Japanese.

About speech synthesizers, I know that Windows has some japanese
voices, but I don't know, how to new japanese keyboard layout.

I have asked this last question, because keys to switch keyboard
layout were changed. I think on japanese characters, not switch from
one language to another language. For example, I would like to switch
from Hiragana to Katakana and Romaji. About Kanji letters, You can
press twice time spacebar and select one kanji letter, press enter
and It'll be written down.

That's everything, which I know about japanese keyboard layout.

Last note:

I am from Slovakia, not from Japan, but I am interrested to various
languages.



Dňa 20. 12. 2020 o 14:32 Daniel Gartmann napísal(a):

Hello

I have been asked to help a blind University student who is studying
Japanese. The goal is to be able to read on a Braille display
connected to a Windows10 computer.

Anybody with experience in studying Japanese on a system in e.g.
English or some other language?

I have been told that in order for Japanese Braille to work
properly, the entire computer needs to be in Japanese. We are using
the computer either in Danish or in English.

I tried running a portable copy of NVDA from
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nvda.jp%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C77a6cb0cd7be431412c608d8a5151a32%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637440857330956458%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=P2rG7ihSEvs4MMSlzzVTo4Vi%2B3OT1URrqCLQTRckcgY%3D&amp;reserved=0,
but it didn’t start right away.

So, hope someone with experience in this would be willing to share
their knowledge.

Thanks in advance.

Daniel














Re: Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

Gene
 

I don't follow buy and sell lists. Others may have suggestions.

This thread may be stopped soon so you may need to join the NVDA chat list to get suggestions.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 3:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

Hi Gene.


So far, I've only tried advertising on Blind Bargains, Twitter, and a
couple of assistive devices groups on Facebook.


Which mailing lists would you recommend?


thanks

Chris



On 2020-12-20 4:43 p.m., Gene wrote:
Have you tried on the buy and sell lists for blind people? Such a scanner isn't just an ordinary scanner. It is specifically designed for scanning books without damaging the binding. I don't know how good using a camera is for long scanning jobs like books.

You might have better luck if you had information, if it is true, regarding the superiority of using a book scanner than a camera for scanning a book.

Then, there are sighted people who want to digitize their book collections and who want to use a book scanner. there may be some place you might post an ad to get the notice of those who want to digitize their book collections..

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Smart
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 3:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

I have a barely used Plustech Opticbook 4800 flatbed scanner here. Does
anyone think I will ever find a buyer for it? Just about everybody's
scanning/OCR needs are being met by the various smartphone apps these
days. Trying to sell this is harder than trying to sell a non-interpoint
Braille embosser. LOL




On 2020-12-20 3:40 p.m., hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Mo.


Have you got a cell phone or smart phone with a camera. On the phone I have hear I have apps that can take a picture then ocr it to text then I can save it to other places or plug it into the computer and take the files off it in text form it would depend on the camera on the phone usually a 8mp is recommended for saying taking a picture of a form then ocring it to text.


there are both free and paid apps that can do that and I guess it would depend on the platform of your phone and what is in the app store just another idea.


Gene nz



On 21/12/2020 3:11 am, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:
Hello Everyone.

I am wondering if anyone can help with the following. I am looking for a document camera as desk space is limited. I do not want a camera which is tied to any specific software if it can be helped. I have previously tried solutions from visionaid and the Perl camera from freedom scientific, but I was never able to get them working with any software other than the software the devices come with.

I have seen document cameras for sale on Amazon, but it's unclear from the description if any of them work with scanning software such as DocuScan, Free OCR, Kurzweil etc. I don't mind what software the camera uses as long as it's accessible and performs OCR, and the unit is reasonably well built and isn't too pricey. does anyone have any ideas?

Very best wishes,

Mo.

















Re: Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

Chris Smart
 

Hi Gene.


So far, I've only tried advertising on Blind Bargains, Twitter, and a couple of assistive devices groups on Facebook.


Which mailing lists would you recommend?


thanks

Chris

On 2020-12-20 4:43 p.m., Gene wrote:
Have you tried on the buy and sell lists for blind people?  Such a scanner isn't just an ordinary scanner.  It is specifically designed for scanning books without damaging the binding.  I don't know how good using a camera is for long scanning jobs like books.

You might have better luck if you had information, if it is true, regarding the superiority of using a book scanner than a camera for scanning a book.

Then, there are sighted people who want to digitize their book collections and who want to use a book scanner.  there may be some place you might post an ad to get the notice of those who want to digitize their book collections..

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Smart
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 3:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

I have a barely used Plustech Opticbook 4800 flatbed scanner here. Does
anyone think I will ever find a buyer for it? Just about everybody's
scanning/OCR needs are being met by the various smartphone apps these
days. Trying to sell this is harder than trying to sell a non-interpoint
Braille embosser. LOL




On 2020-12-20 3:40 p.m., hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Mo.


Have you got a cell phone or smart phone with a camera. On the phone I have hear I have apps that can take a picture then ocr it to text then I can save it to other places or plug it into the computer and take the files off it in text form it would depend on the camera on the phone usually a 8mp is recommended for saying taking a picture of a form then ocring it to text.


there are both free and paid apps that can do that and I guess it would depend on the platform of your phone and what is in the app store just another idea.


Gene nz



On 21/12/2020 3:11 am, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:
Hello Everyone.

I am wondering if anyone can help with the following. I am looking for a document camera as desk space is limited. I do not want a camera which is tied to any specific software if it can be helped. I have previously tried solutions from visionaid and the Perl camera from freedom scientific, but I was never able to get them working with any software other than the software the devices come with.

I have seen document cameras for sale on Amazon, but it's unclear from the description if any of them work with scanning software such as DocuScan, Free OCR, Kurzweil etc. I don't mind what software the camera uses as long as it's accessible and performs OCR, and the unit is reasonably well built and isn't too pricey. does anyone have any ideas?

Very best wishes,

Mo.
















Re: Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

Gene
 

Have you tried on the buy and sell lists for blind people? Such a scanner isn't just an ordinary scanner. It is specifically designed for scanning books without damaging the binding. I don't know how good using a camera is for long scanning jobs like books.

You might have better luck if you had information, if it is true, regarding the superiority of using a book scanner than a camera for scanning a book.

Then, there are sighted people who want to digitize their book collections and who want to use a book scanner. there may be some place you might post an ad to get the notice of those who want to digitize their book collections..

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2020 3:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

I have a barely used Plustech Opticbook 4800 flatbed scanner here. Does
anyone think I will ever find a buyer for it? Just about everybody's
scanning/OCR needs are being met by the various smartphone apps these
days. Trying to sell this is harder than trying to sell a non-interpoint
Braille embosser. LOL




On 2020-12-20 3:40 p.m., hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Mo.


Have you got a cell phone or smart phone with a camera. On the phone I have hear I have apps that can take a picture then ocr it to text then I can save it to other places or plug it into the computer and take the files off it in text form it would depend on the camera on the phone usually a 8mp is recommended for saying taking a picture of a form then ocring it to text.


there are both free and paid apps that can do that and I guess it would depend on the platform of your phone and what is in the app store just another idea.


Gene nz



On 21/12/2020 3:11 am, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:
Hello Everyone.

I am wondering if anyone can help with the following. I am looking for a document camera as desk space is limited. I do not want a camera which is tied to any specific software if it can be helped. I have previously tried solutions from visionaid and the Perl camera from freedom scientific, but I was never able to get them working with any software other than the software the devices come with.

I have seen document cameras for sale on Amazon, but it's unclear from the description if any of them work with scanning software such as DocuScan, Free OCR, Kurzweil etc. I don't mind what software the camera uses as long as it's accessible and performs OCR, and the unit is reasonably well built and isn't too pricey. does anyone have any ideas?

Very best wishes,

Mo.










Re: Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

Chris Smart
 

Hi rob.


Please get in touch if that changes. (grin) I'm asking $350 US or best offer.

On 2020-12-20 4:30 p.m., Rob Hudson wrote:
I love those scanners. Too bad I cant afford it lol.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <ve3rwj@winsystem.org>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 16:13:40 -0500
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

I have a barely used Plustech Opticbook 4800 flatbed scanner here. Does
anyone think I will ever find a buyer for it? Just about everybody's
scanning/OCR needs are being met by the various smartphone apps these
days. Trying to sell this is harder than trying to sell a non-interpoint
Braille embosser. LOL




On 2020-12-20 3:40 p.m., hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Mo.


Have you got a cell phone or smart phone with a camera. On the phone I
have hear I have apps that can take a picture then ocr it to text then
I can save it to other places or plug it into the computer and take
the files off it in text form it would depend on the camera on the
phone usually a 8mp is recommended for saying taking a picture of a
form then ocring it to text.


there are both free and paid apps that can do that and I guess it
would depend on the platform of your phone and what is in the app
store just another idea.


Gene nz



On 21/12/2020 3:11 am, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:
Hello Everyone.

I am wondering if anyone can help with the following. I am looking
for a document camera as desk space is limited. I do not want a
camera which is tied to any specific software if it can be helped. I
have previously tried solutions from visionaid and the Perl camera
from freedom scientific, but I was never able to get them working
with any software other than the software the devices come with.

I have seen document cameras for sale on Amazon, but it's unclear
from the description if any of them work with scanning software such
as DocuScan, Free OCR, Kurzweil etc. I don't mind what software the
camera uses as long as it's accessible and performs OCR, and the unit
is reasonably well built and isn't too pricey. does anyone have any
ideas?

Very best wishes,

Mo.













Re: Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

Rob Hudson
 

I love those scanners. Too bad I cant afford it lol.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Smart" <ve3rwj@winsystem.org>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 16:13:40 -0500
Subject: Re: [nvda] Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

I have a barely used Plustech Opticbook 4800 flatbed scanner here. Does
anyone think I will ever find a buyer for it? Just about everybody's
scanning/OCR needs are being met by the various smartphone apps these
days. Trying to sell this is harder than trying to sell a non-interpoint
Braille embosser. LOL




On 2020-12-20 3:40 p.m., hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Mo.


Have you got a cell phone or smart phone with a camera. On the phone I
have hear I have apps that can take a picture then ocr it to text then
I can save it to other places or plug it into the computer and take
the files off it in text form it would depend on the camera on the
phone usually a 8mp is recommended for saying taking a picture of a
form then ocring it to text.


there are both free and paid apps that can do that and I guess it
would depend on the platform of your phone and what is in the app
store just another idea.


Gene nz



On 21/12/2020 3:11 am, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:
Hello Everyone.

I am wondering if anyone can help with the following. I am looking
for a document camera as desk space is limited. I do not want a
camera which is tied to any specific software if it can be helped. I
have previously tried solutions from visionaid and the Perl camera
from freedom scientific, but I was never able to get them working
with any software other than the software the devices come with.

I have seen document cameras for sale on Amazon, but it's unclear
from the description if any of them work with scanning software such
as DocuScan, Free OCR, Kurzweil etc. I don't mind what software the
camera uses as long as it's accessible and performs OCR, and the unit
is reasonably well built and isn't too pricey. does anyone have any
ideas?

Very best wishes,

Mo.














Re: How to study Japanese with NVDA?

 

Hmph, well you will need the languages installed in windows reaginal settings and language, have the japanese keyboard loaded, and mayve set japanese as your input and maybe display language I don't know exactly.

Switch everything to japanese and then I guess switch the voice of nvda to japanese in espeak or other synth.

If you mean run both, there are translation addons but if you want to run things side by side then thats beyond me.

I only use english and usually delete all the extra junk off the system.

There are resources available to handle one of the other but I have never done a side by side.



On 21/12/2020 2:32 am, Daniel Gartmann wrote:

 

Hello

 

I have been asked to help a blind University student who is studying Japanese. The goal is to be able to read on a Braille display connected to a Windows10 computer.

 

Anybody with experience in studying Japanese on a system in e.g. English or some other language?

 

I have been told that in order for Japanese Braille to work properly, the entire computer needs to be in Japanese. We are using the computer either in Danish or in English.

 

I tried running a portable copy of NVDA from www.nvda.jp, but it didn’t start right away.

 

So, hope someone with experience in this would be willing to share their knowledge.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Daniel

 


Re: How to study Japanese with NVDA?

Daniel Gartmann
 

That is very interesting.

When you say "Japanese environments". Do you mean a computer that is solely in Japanese, or are you using a computer that comes with English?

Daniel


-----Oprindelig meddelelse-----
Fra: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> På vegne af Clement Chou
Sendt: 20. december 2020 19:29
Til: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Emne: Re: [nvda] How to study Japanese with NVDA?

I'm fluent in Japanese and use NVDA in Japanese environments regularly. Japanese braille is indeed supported. So long as the braille display is connected and the Japanese version of NVDA is instaled, it should work. I had the base version of NVDA on my computer originally then slapped the Japanese one on top of it. Feel free to contact me off list or ask the student to contact me, and I'd love to try and help.
The command to switch between hiragana and katana is still
ctrl+capslock for hiragana and alt+capslock for Katakana. Typing in
Japanese is easy to do, provided you've studied Kanji and know the one you want, because the descriptions of the candidate are all in Japanese of course. NVDAJP's character description activated with numpad 2 on the desktop keyboard layout is also very useful for learning what kanji is used in a word.

For synthesizers, thereare tons of them out there, but I'd recommend either any of the windows 1 core voices or protalker as a starting point since they're both free.

On 12/20/20, Dan Miner via groups.io <dminer84=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I would like to know this as well because I am trying to teach myself
Japanese. As I understand it, the braille system is based on kana.
NVDA I believe uses the louis braille library and so it might be as
easy as loading that “code page” and converting the text into some
braille format just like we do for English. But it would be nice to
have automagic switching in a web page with a language markup on the passages.

Anyway, I would like to know more about this too.
Dan


On Dec 20, 2020, at 6:52 AM, Marco Oros <marco.oros93@gmail.com> wrote:


OK.

Here is one problem:

Japanese has a japanese braille, but It is not implemented to NVDA,
because of three alphabets, which are used in Japanese.

About speech synthesizers, I know that Windows has some japanese
voices, but I don't know, how to new japanese keyboard layout.

I have asked this last question, because keys to switch keyboard
layout were changed. I think on japanese characters, not switch from
one language to another language. For example, I would like to switch
from Hiragana to Katakana and Romaji. About Kanji letters, You can
press twice time spacebar and select one kanji letter, press enter
and It'll be written down.

That's everything, which I know about japanese keyboard layout.

Last note:

I am from Slovakia, not from Japan, but I am interrested to various
languages.



Dňa 20. 12. 2020 o 14:32 Daniel Gartmann napísal(a):

Hello

I have been asked to help a blind University student who is studying
Japanese. The goal is to be able to read on a Braille display
connected to a Windows10 computer.

Anybody with experience in studying Japanese on a system in e.g.
English or some other language?

I have been told that in order for Japanese Braille to work
properly, the entire computer needs to be in Japanese. We are using
the computer either in Danish or in English.

I tried running a portable copy of NVDA from
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nvda.jp%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C77a6cb0cd7be431412c608d8a5151a32%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637440857330956458%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=P2rG7ihSEvs4MMSlzzVTo4Vi%2B3OT1URrqCLQTRckcgY%3D&amp;reserved=0, but it didn’t start right away.

So, hope someone with experience in this would be willing to share
their knowledge.

Thanks in advance.

Daniel





Re: Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

Chris Smart
 

I have a barely used Plustech Opticbook 4800 flatbed scanner here. Does anyone think I will ever find a buyer for it? Just about everybody's scanning/OCR needs are being met by the various smartphone apps these days. Trying to sell this is harder than trying to sell a non-interpoint Braille embosser. LOL

On 2020-12-20 3:40 p.m., hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Mo.


Have you got a cell phone or smart phone with a camera. On the phone I have hear I have apps that can take a picture then ocr it to text then I can save it to other places or plug it into the computer and take the files off it in text form it would depend on the camera on the phone usually a 8mp is recommended for saying taking a picture of a form then ocring it to text.


there are both free and paid apps that can do that and I guess it would depend on the platform of your phone and what is in the app store just another idea.


Gene nz



On 21/12/2020 3:11 am, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:
Hello Everyone.

I am wondering if anyone can help with the following. I am looking for a document camera as desk space is limited. I do not want a camera which is tied to any specific software if it can be helped. I have previously tried solutions from visionaid and the Perl camera from freedom scientific, but I was never able to get them working with any software other than the software the devices come with.

I have seen document cameras for sale on Amazon, but it's unclear from the description if any of them work with scanning software such as DocuScan, Free OCR, Kurzweil etc. I don't mind what software the camera uses as long as it's accessible and performs OCR, and the unit is reasonably well built and isn't too pricey. does anyone have any ideas?

Very best wishes,

Mo.









Re: Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Mo.


Have you got a cell phone or smart phone with a camera. On the phone I have hear I have apps that can take a picture then ocr it to text then I can save it to other places or plug it into the computer and take the files off it in text form it would depend on the camera on the phone usually a 8mp is recommended for saying taking a picture of a form then ocring it to text.


there are both free and paid apps that can do that and I guess it would depend on the platform of your phone and what is in the app store just another idea.


Gene nz

On 21/12/2020 3:11 am, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:
Hello Everyone.

I am wondering if anyone can help with the following. I am looking for a document camera as desk space is limited. I do not want a camera which is tied to any specific software if it can be helped. I have previously tried solutions from visionaid and the Perl camera from freedom scientific, but I was never able to get them working with any software other than the software the devices come with.

I have seen document cameras for sale on Amazon, but it's unclear from the description if any of them work with scanning software such as DocuScan, Free OCR, Kurzweil etc. I don't mind what software the camera uses as long as it's accessible and performs OCR, and the unit is reasonably well built and isn't too pricey. does anyone have any ideas?

Very best wishes,

Mo.






Re: How to study Japanese with NVDA?

Clement Chou
 

I'm fluent in Japanese and use NVDA in Japanese environments
regularly. Japanese braille is indeed supported. So long as the
braille display is connected and the Japanese version of NVDA is
instaled, it should work. I had the base version of NVDA on my
computer originally then slapped the Japanese one on top of it. Feel
free to contact me off list or ask the student to contact me, and I'd
love to try and help.
The command to switch between hiragana and katana is still
ctrl+capslock for hiragana and alt+capslock for Katakana. Typing in
Japanese is easy to do, provided you've studied Kanji and know the one
you want, because the descriptions of the candidate are all in
Japanese of course. NVDAJP's character description activated with
numpad 2 on the desktop keyboard layout is also very useful for
learning what kanji is used in a word.

For synthesizers, thereare tons of them out there, but I'd recommend
either any of the windows 1 core voices or protalker as a starting
point since they're both free.

On 12/20/20, Dan Miner via groups.io <dminer84=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I would like to know this as well because I am trying to teach myself
Japanese. As I understand it, the braille system is based on kana. NVDA I
believe uses the louis braille library and so it might be as easy as loading
that “code page” and converting the text into some braille format just like
we do for English. But it would be nice to have automagic switching in a
web page with a language markup on the passages.

Anyway, I would like to know more about this too.
Dan


On Dec 20, 2020, at 6:52 AM, Marco Oros <marco.oros93@gmail.com> wrote:


OK.

Here is one problem:

Japanese has a japanese braille, but It is not implemented to NVDA,
because of three alphabets, which are used in Japanese.

About speech synthesizers, I know that Windows has some japanese voices,
but I don't know, how to new japanese keyboard layout.

I have asked this last question, because keys to switch keyboard layout
were changed. I think on japanese characters, not switch from one language
to another language. For example, I would like to switch from Hiragana to
Katakana and Romaji. About Kanji letters, You can press twice time
spacebar and select one kanji letter, press enter and It'll be written
down.

That's everything, which I know about japanese keyboard layout.

Last note:

I am from Slovakia, not from Japan, but I am interrested to various
languages.



Dňa 20. 12. 2020 o 14:32 Daniel Gartmann napísal(a):

Hello

I have been asked to help a blind University student who is studying
Japanese. The goal is to be able to read on a Braille display connected
to a Windows10 computer.

Anybody with experience in studying Japanese on a system in e.g. English
or some other language?

I have been told that in order for Japanese Braille to work properly, the
entire computer needs to be in Japanese. We are using the computer either
in Danish or in English.

I tried running a portable copy of NVDA from www.nvda.jp, but it didn’t
start right away.

So, hope someone with experience in this would be willing to share their
knowledge.

Thanks in advance.

Daniel





Re: How to study Japanese with NVDA?

Dan Miner
 

I would like to know this as well because I am trying to teach myself Japanese.  As I understand it, the braille system is based on kana.  NVDA I believe uses the louis braille library and so it might be as easy as loading that “code page” and converting the text into some braille format just like we do for English.  But it would be nice to have automagic switching in a web page with a language markup on the passages.

Anyway, I would like to know more about this too.
    Dan


On Dec 20, 2020, at 6:52 AM, Marco Oros <marco.oros93@...> wrote:



OK.

Here is one problem:

Japanese has a japanese braille, but It is not implemented to NVDA, because of three alphabets, which are used in Japanese.

About speech synthesizers, I know that Windows has some japanese voices, but I don't know, how to new japanese keyboard layout.

I have asked this last question, because keys to switch keyboard layout were changed. I think on japanese characters, not switch from one language to another language. For example, I would like to switch from Hiragana to Katakana and Romaji. About Kanji letters, You can press twice time spacebar and select one kanji letter, press enter and It'll be written down.

That's everything, which I know about japanese keyboard layout.

Last note:

I am from Slovakia, not from Japan, but I am interrested to various languages.


Dňa 20. 12. 2020 o 14:32 Daniel Gartmann napísal(a):

 

Hello

 

I have been asked to help a blind University student who is studying Japanese. The goal is to be able to read on a Braille display connected to a Windows10 computer.

 

Anybody with experience in studying Japanese on a system in e.g. English or some other language?

 

I have been told that in order for Japanese Braille to work properly, the entire computer needs to be in Japanese. We are using the computer either in Danish or in English.

 

I tried running a portable copy of NVDA from www.nvda.jp, but it didn’t start right away.

 

So, hope someone with experience in this would be willing to share their knowledge.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Daniel

 

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