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Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read #adminnotice

 

Rosemarie and Arlene,

           I just wanted to thank you for your kind words, and particularly for your saying you'd forgotten or not known that I am sighted.  I do mention this occasionally because I do not want anyone, on any of the blind technology groups on which I participate, to ever believe I am trying to impersonate a blind person nor making any claim that I can or do know, a in lived experience sense, what it is to be blind.  I've simply worked with blind technology and individuals who are blind and visually impaired for quite a few years now and that's taught me an awful lot.

           But it's very nice to know that, at least for the most part, much of what I now write in these venues reads in such a way that the fact that I see is not at all readily obvious unless I bring it up or someone else does.  There are times where the fact that I can see is relevant, and it makes perfect sense for that to be mentioned when it is.  But when it's not germane to the conversation it just isn't.
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[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


NVDA using braille in multi-lingual text environment

Mary Otten
 

Hi all,


I have recently ordered a braille display. One of the things I'd like to do with it is access multi-lingual texts, e.g. websites, which have both English and cyrillic alphabets in use. In order to do that efficiently, one would need to have a braille table that included both of these alphabets, grade II English and uncontracted Russian, active at the same time, or somehow have a combined table with both at once. Is that possible? Where I use to work, we had that, but it was on a completely different system, built in house, based on unix, so not relevant here, I shouldn't think.


I know that on my iPhone, if I have the right voices available, the speech will switch easily from English to Russian, but that hasn't happened for me on the pc, even though I do have English and Russian voices installed from the same source. Maybe that's not even related. I just put it out there as an additional piece of info.


Mary


Re: DVD ripper that works with NVDA?

 

On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 12:48 AM, Ian Blackburn wrote:
yes VLC will be able to play the ISO of the dvd once loaded
-
Thanks for confirming this.  It also means that a ton of unnecessary (and probably useless) work will now be avoided.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read #adminnotice

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Arleen,


I forgot that Brian is sighted. I think it's great that he's worked with blind clients and as far as his vision, that doesn't bother me in the least. I've had very good teachers who were sighted and their vision never even crossed my mind.


Rosemarie

On 12/29/2020 10:57 PM, Arlene wrote:
Happy New year to you all. What! Brian has vision? I didn’t know that! Nor
do I care that he does. I thought he was totally blind like most people on the
list. The reason I thought he was blind like us is because he talks in a way
that most of us blind users talk wile operating our computers. Well, all the
world to him looking after this list.

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Hello everyone,

Here's hoping this message finds you well, and if you celebrate the new year,
then happy early New Year!

I want to be very clear on an issue which has risen on this list. I want to make
sure my words are plain, so if you don't understand, please reach out to
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clarify for you.

Brian has, and will continue to have my full support as a moderator of this
list. I have not seen any reason why he should not enjoy my support, and I have
not had anyone contact me to state why my support is misplaced. Notice I did not
say anything about Brian's vision status, gender, race, or anything else. I said
Brian, as a human being, enjoys my full support.

As all of us are humans, and as the world has so many issues dividing us,
please, let's not allow vision, or the lack of it, dictate how we treat one
another. Discrimination takes many forms, and I believe, it is no better to
discriminate regarding an individual's site than it is an individual's lack of
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If you have a problem with Brian's responses because of the fact that he has
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I hope that the incident that happened today does not repeat itself, yet be
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Re: strange behaviour with a speech dictionary entry

Gene
 

You might have better success using the voice dictionary. there have been rare times when I have gotten something to work properly by using the voice dictionary rrather than the defaut dictionary.

Gene

`-----Original Message-----
From: Giles Turnbull
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 10:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] strange behaviour with a speech dictionary entry

I was trying to add a Romanian word to my NVDA default dictionary. The word has a cedilla-type accent under the lower-case t. The word is putin (with the accent under the t, ț) ... the word means "a little", as in I speak a little Romanian.

I actually wanted to add two words to my default dictionary, first a Romanian city that also has the t with cedilla, Constanța and I entered that with the replacement pronunciation ConStantza. I set it to be replaced as whole-word-only and that works perfectly. I then wanted to add the t with cedilla accent as a character in its own right with a replacement of "t with cedilla", again as whole-word-only so that if I investigated a word with the accented t letter by letter, it would get spoken as "t with cedilla" but the word putin wouldn't be spoken as "putwith cedillain" ... and that works ... except not when navigating character by character through the word!

When reading the word letter by letter, it doesn't matter how I change the replacement text for the t with cedilla character, it gets spelled-out letter by letter: t w i t h c e d i l l a. To clarify, if I am reading this whole post, for example, when NVDA gets to the t with cedilla character it says "t with cedilla"; when I reach the character navigating letter by letter, such as in the placename NVDA reads C o n s t a n t w i t h c e d i l l a!

I deleted the character from the default dictionary and added it to the voice dictionary for SAPI-5 Zira. The result was the same. I then tried changing to another SAPI-5 voice, Hazel ... and again the word gets fully spelled-out including the replacement text, even though NVDA can speak the replacement text just fine when I tab from and then back to the replacement text in the dictionary entry (NVDA can say cedilla as a full word without difficulty)

I just wondered if anybody has any suggestions on why this might be happening ... I have actually just found a solution ... if I use the 1 Core version of Zira rather than the SAPI-5 version, the t with cedilla always gets spoken as complete words when the word is navigated character by character - it is not spelled out. That shouldln't be a big change to make - the default dictionary entries will be the same and all I'll need to copy across is the text from the SAPI-5 Zira dictionary file and paste it into the 1 Core Zira voice dictionary file!

I could probably delete this post rather than posting it, but I am going to post it because others might find it interesting ... and I'd certainly be interested in any suggestions or observations :)

Giles


strange behaviour with a speech dictionary entry

Giles Turnbull
 

I was trying to add a Romanian word to my NVDA default dictionary. The word has a cedilla-type accent under the lower-case t. The word is putin (with the accent under the t, ț) ... the word means "a little", as in I speak a little Romanian.

I actually wanted to add two words to my default dictionary, first a Romanian city that also has the t with cedilla, Constanța and I entered that with the replacement pronunciation ConStantza. I set it to be replaced as whole-word-only and that works perfectly. I then wanted to add the t with cedilla accent as a character in its own right with a replacement of "t with cedilla", again as whole-word-only so that if I investigated a word with the accented t letter by letter, it would get spoken as "t with cedilla" but the word putin wouldn't be spoken as "putwith cedillain" ... and that works ... except not when navigating character by character through the word!

When reading the word letter by letter, it doesn't matter how I change the replacement text for the t with cedilla character, it gets spelled-out letter by letter: t w i t h c e d i l l a. To clarify, if I am reading this whole post, for example, when NVDA gets to the t with cedilla character it says "t with cedilla"; when I reach the character navigating letter by letter, such as in the placename NVDA reads C o n s t a n t w i t h c e d i l l a!

I deleted the character from the default dictionary and added it to the voice dictionary for SAPI-5 Zira. The result was the same. I then tried changing to another SAPI-5 voice, Hazel ... and again the word gets fully spelled-out including the replacement text, even though NVDA can speak the replacement text just fine when I tab from and then back to the replacement text in the dictionary entry (NVDA can say cedilla as a full word without difficulty)

I just wondered if anybody has any suggestions on why this might be happening ... I have actually just found a solution ... if I use the 1 Core version of Zira rather than the SAPI-5 version, the t with cedilla always gets spoken as complete words when the word is navigated character by character - it is not spelled out. That shouldln't be a big change to make - the default dictionary entries will be the same and all I'll need to copy across is the text from the SAPI-5 Zira dictionary file and paste it into the 1 Core Zira voice dictionary file!

I could probably delete this post rather than posting it, but I am going to post it because others might find it interesting ... and I'd certainly be interested in any suggestions or observations :)

Giles


Re: SPSS and NVDA

 

If you have not already done so, have a look at these topics returned from a group archive search:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/search?ev=0&q=SPSS&ct=1 

SPSS has been discussed on a number of occasions, but I cannot recall what the ultimate conclusion(s) were about it and accessibility.

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[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: NVDA say: edit read-only when nagivate line by line in Word

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi Cuong,

most of the time this happens with Word, it is because the document has been emailed to the NVDA user. Regardless of whether the NVDA user has opened it directly from the email or has saved it to their computer first and then opened it, Word will open it in protected mode, which is read-only and therefore it can't be edited and many of the ribbon options, like chnaging font or changing the view to draft view will not work.

To prevent that happening, press ALT+f to open the file menu, press the down arrow key three times to get to the Info menu, press Tab to enter that menu and then press the down arrow to get to the Protected View menu. Press Tab again and you'll be on the Enable Editing option and, if you press enter, that document will become unprotected and the NVDA user should no longer hear the warning that the document is protected and can't be edited. It will remain unprotected even after you close the document or shut down the computer. The same works with Excel files :)

I hope that helps.

Giles


Re: Problem in the latest beta of NVDA

Iván Novegil
 

This is being discussed in an issue at NVDA repository.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/11968

From there you can even download a try build with the suggested fix to test and report if it solves the issue.


Regards.

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O 30/12/2020 á(s) 16:20, Vaibhav Bhandari escribiu:

Hi all,
I recently updated to the latest beta version of NVDA in which I have
been facing a really weerd issue.
The problem is that whenever I switch my listening device from my
earphone to my bluetooth headphones, the sounds that NVDA makes while
entering/exiting focus/brows mode, exiting NVDA and enabling/desabling
screen curtain can't be heard. I then have to restart NVDA for those
sounds to return.
I didn't face this particular issue in the previous versions of NVDA
so I wished to ask if it is a bta related issue?


Re: Problem in the latest beta of NVDA

 

Hi,
The issue was identified and a fix from NV Access is pending review.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaibhav Bhandari
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 7:21 AM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Problem in the latest beta of NVDA

Hi all,
I recently updated to the latest beta version of NVDA in which I have been facing a really weerd issue.
The problem is that whenever I switch my listening device from my earphone to my bluetooth headphones, the sounds that NVDA makes while entering/exiting focus/brows mode, exiting NVDA and enabling/desabling screen curtain can't be heard. I then have to restart NVDA for those sounds to return.
I didn't face this particular issue in the previous versions of NVDA so I wished to ask if it is a bta related issue?

--
Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari


Problem in the latest beta of NVDA

Vaibhav Bhandari
 

Hi all,
I recently updated to the latest beta version of NVDA in which I have
been facing a really weerd issue.
The problem is that whenever I switch my listening device from my
earphone to my bluetooth headphones, the sounds that NVDA makes while
entering/exiting focus/brows mode, exiting NVDA and enabling/desabling
screen curtain can't be heard. I then have to restart NVDA for those
sounds to return.
I didn't face this particular issue in the previous versions of NVDA
so I wished to ask if it is a bta related issue?

--
Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari


Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Betsy, when using a laptop keyboard the only time you use desktop settings is if your keyboard has a numpad.
NVDA+1 on the keyboard is a good way to locate keys. you will still need some sighted help because not all keys are labeled in a way that NVDA will recognize.An alternative is to invest in a USB keyboard or a wireless one. I say this because you will find some of your NVDA key commands fun to accomplish because many of them will require using the FN key to accomplish. thus, my suggestion of using an external keyboard.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Betsy Grenevitch" <blindangel61@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 6:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems using NVDA with my new laptop


Thank you, Mareth. I will write this down and try it later today.


I hope you are doing well.


On 12/30/2020 1:20 AM, Hareth wrote:
Hi Betsy,
Try using the "home" and "end" buttons for top and bottom of lists.
And ctrl plus home hotkey for the top of a message and opened text
file and ctrl plus end hotkey for the bottom of it, that works for
some type of lists as well if the 1st one didn't work.
As for the laptops Numlock key mostly
you can do it with pressing the "FN" key combined with another mostly
in the numbers row, and re do it to unlock its a toggle.
The best and easy way to find it is to invoke the NVDA's key helper
mode with hitting the NVDA plus number 1 to turn it on, and test your
keys, press the same hotkey to get out of it.
Happy new year to you and your family.

On 12/29/20, Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@gmail.com> wrote:
I received a new laptop and my daughter thought she had exported
everything properly but a lot of the NVDA commands are not working such
as going to the top of a list of emails, going to the top of a file etc.
I am using Windows 10 and the NVDA is set to desktop layout.


I would definitely appreciate if someone could help me figure out what
is going on.


It is an Asus laptop.


Thanks.


--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876






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Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876





Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Chris, thank you so much. I just realized because of what you said that I needed to make sure the function keys were set to allow home to work with F9 and somehow they had gotten reset. Thankfully, I do not have to go into the bios to change their function but my daughter found that I just need to do escape plus F-end.


You all have been so helpful for me and I have taken notes to have in the future in case I forget since I have memory problems. Thank you so much to those who make this list available to those of us who need it from time to time.


    On 12/30/2020 8:53 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi Betsy

The home key is used to move to the top of a list and this is a Windows key command rather than a NVDA command.  One of the responses mentioned the FN key which laptops use as a modifier key to enable the addition  of media keys and I suspect this is the issue here.  Try switching on NVDA keyboard help mode using NVDA+1 (on the number row not the keypad).  The keypresses will then be announced not actioned,so you can check if you are pressing what you think you are pressing as for example NVDA will say “Home” when you press the Home key.  If “Home” is not announced then you may have to use the FN key as a modifier together with the home key to make the home key function properly.  Press NVDA+1 again to return to normal keyboard entry mode. 

 

Many manufacturers set up their machines so that media keys are the default and you have to use the FN modifier to use, for example, function keys.  There is likely to be a BIOS setting that you can set to reverse this behaviour I.e. the keyboard will then behave as you are used to and you have to use the FN modifier for media key functions.  Note: you will require sighted assistance to access the BIOS.  

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: 29 December 2020 22:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problems using NVDA with my new laptop

 

I received a new laptop and my daughter thought she had exported

everything properly but a lot of the NVDA commands are not working such

as going to the top of a list of emails, going to the top of a file etc.

I am using Windows 10 and the NVDA is set to desktop layout.

 

 

I would definitely appreciate if someone could help me figure out what

is going on.

 

 

It is an Asus laptop.

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

--

Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876

 

 

 

 

 

--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Betsy

The home key is used to move to the top of a list and this is a Windows key command rather than a NVDA command.  One of the responses mentioned the FN key which laptops use as a modifier key to enable the addition  of media keys and I suspect this is the issue here.  Try switching on NVDA keyboard help mode using NVDA+1 (on the number row not the keypad).  The keypresses will then be announced not actioned,so you can check if you are pressing what you think you are pressing as for example NVDA will say “Home” when you press the Home key.  If “Home” is not announced then you may have to use the FN key as a modifier together with the home key to make the home key function properly.  Press NVDA+1 again to return to normal keyboard entry mode. 

 

Many manufacturers set up their machines so that media keys are the default and you have to use the FN modifier to use, for example, function keys.  There is likely to be a BIOS setting that you can set to reverse this behaviour I.e. the keyboard will then behave as you are used to and you have to use the FN modifier for media key functions.  Note: you will require sighted assistance to access the BIOS.  

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: 29 December 2020 22:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problems using NVDA with my new laptop

 

I received a new laptop and my daughter thought she had exported

everything properly but a lot of the NVDA commands are not working such

as going to the top of a list of emails, going to the top of a file etc.

I am using Windows 10 and the NVDA is set to desktop layout.

 

 

I would definitely appreciate if someone could help me figure out what

is going on.

 

 

It is an Asus laptop.

 

 

Thanks.

 

 

--

Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876

 

 

 

 

 


Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Sorry, I should have proofed before sending. I meant to say Hareth.


Also, Hareth I wanted to let you know that the command referring to using control plus F9 and or F10 worked when I pushed the F-end key with that combination. You have made my day.


I am not technologically inclined enough to download the ad-on mentioned if I have to configure something so will use your method for now since it works. Thank you so much again, Hareth.

On 12/30/2020 8:16 AM, Betsy Grenevitch via groups.io wrote:
Thank you, Mareth. I will write this down and try it later today.


I hope you are doing well.


On 12/30/2020 1:20 AM, Hareth wrote:
Hi Betsy,
Try using the "home" and "end" buttons for top and bottom of lists.
And ctrl plus home hotkey for the top of a message and opened text
file and ctrl plus end hotkey for the bottom of it, that works for
some type of lists as well if the 1st one didn't work.
As for the laptops Numlock key mostly
you can do it with pressing the "FN" key combined with another mostly
in the numbers row, and re do it to unlock its a toggle.
The best and easy way to find it is to invoke the NVDA's key helper
mode with hitting the NVDA plus number 1 to turn it on, and test your
keys, press the same hotkey to get out of it.
Happy new year to you and your family.

On 12/29/20, Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@gmail.com> wrote:
I received a new laptop and my daughter thought she had exported
everything properly but a lot of the NVDA commands are not working such
as going to the top of a list of emails, going to the top of a file etc.
I am using Windows 10 and the NVDA is set to desktop layout.


I would definitely appreciate if someone could help me figure out what
is going on.


It is an Asus laptop.


Thanks.


--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876







--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Thank you, Mareth. I will write this down and try it later today.


I hope you are doing well.

On 12/30/2020 1:20 AM, Hareth wrote:
Hi Betsy,
Try using the "home" and "end" buttons for top and bottom of lists.
And ctrl plus home hotkey for the top of a message and opened text
file and ctrl plus end hotkey for the bottom of it, that works for
some type of lists as well if the 1st one didn't work.
As for the laptops Numlock key mostly
you can do it with pressing the "FN" key combined with another mostly
in the numbers row, and re do it to unlock its a toggle.
The best and easy way to find it is to invoke the NVDA's key helper
mode with hitting the NVDA plus number 1 to turn it on, and test your
keys, press the same hotkey to get out of it.
Happy new year to you and your family.

On 12/29/20, Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@gmail.com> wrote:
I received a new laptop and my daughter thought she had exported
everything properly but a lot of the NVDA commands are not working such
as going to the top of a list of emails, going to the top of a file etc.
I am using Windows 10 and the NVDA is set to desktop layout.


I would definitely appreciate if someone could help me figure out what
is going on.


It is an Asus laptop.


Thanks.


--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876






--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


SPSS and NVDA

William
 

Hi,

I could not find relevant information on whether SPSS is accessible using NVDA.

Is there any person here has experience in using SPSS with NVDA?

Do you have any information on how I should do with it?


Thanks.


Re: Word 2013 ribbon and NVDA 2020.3

Lukasz Golonka
 

Unfortunately list does not allow attachments, so I haven't got your log.
Please activate the link that says ', Reply To Sender' at the bottom of
the message and attach it there.

--
Regards
Lukasz

On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 07:39:37 +0100
"bering.p" <bering.p@wanadoo.fr> wrote:

Hi Lucas.
I cannot send you  the log with this e-mail address:
lukasz.golonka=mailbox.org@groups.io
So I try to send it on the list.
Attached is the log.
Best regards.
   
Paul.
Le 29/12/2020 21:29, Lukasz Golonka via groups.io a écrit :

I might be able to fix this but I don't have access to any Office 2013 machine. Would you be able to provide me a log as follows: Restart with add-ons disabled. Set log level to debug In NVDA's advanced settings in the debug logging group enable MSAA logging category - ensure that all other categories are disabled to declutter the log. - Try tabbing through the ribbon when it is collapsed. Please send content of the log viewer privately to me.



Re: NVDA and outlook questions

Monte Single
 

 

If you are shopping for a new version, check out amazon,  I go a legal version of 2016 office pro there for about 30 bucks.  They send you the key code, and you download the appropriate version from the m s store.In my experience, it is not an upgrade from 2010 to 2016   or any other version,  it is a new install  full prices apply,  others may  have a different  story.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: December 30, 2020 1:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

 

Hey, speaking of outlook. If I upgrade from outlook 2010 with my outlook key. Do I have to pay for the upgrade?  I don’t care if I do. I am inquiring.  Thanks.  

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dan Miner via groups.io
Sent: December 29, 2020 10:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

 

Your version number suggests you have some kind of subscription and Office 365 is the only recent offerings I know of.  So, if that is the case you probably just need to login to your Microsoft account (via the File menu using that account management option) and update.  I did just that about 2 weeks ago.

 

Compared to 2016, the latest Office has been working better in my experiences.  Even the calendar is becoming more and more useable.

 

 

    Dan

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:

>

> Does outlook 2019 work better?

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Miner via

> groups.io

> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 5:28 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

>

> Well, if it is a 2016 based version then you likely will have the problem of

> it not reading suggestions easily.  I always had to fiddle around with it to

> get anything.  I vaguely remember using object navigation to dive into the

> enclosing frame   It I was truly needing to use that feature, I would just

> switch to JAWS 18 and it would read in a more natural way.  I would give

> recent Narrator a try and see how it fairs with that dropdown.

>

>    Dan

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L

> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 8:57 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

>

> I believe it is 2016.  This is the version number I got when I used jaws and

> got the version number.

> Microsoft Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.13426.20404 -----Original

> Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Miner via

> groups.io

> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 10:43 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

>

> I have Outlook from Office 365 and if I recall this thread was about the To

> field and reading the type-ahead suggestion reading?  When I was using

> Outlook 2016, I had this problem of it not reading but I did a bit of

> testing again on this version.  It seems to be working fine with the type

> ahead for reading the first suggestion and changing as I progress on typing.

> Also, a simple down arrow will read the remaining suggestions.  I don't

> recall which version you have but I am wondering if that is a factor here.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L

> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 12:28 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

>

> There is no outlook setting I know of where I have to adjust it for the

> screen reader to properly read other screen readers read it.  so should

> NVDA.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith

> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 12:40 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

>

>

> I think there is a setting.

> You need to go to, in Outlook to File then Options and then under Mail find

> the setting which says Automatic Name checking  and make sure that that is

> checked.

> I have this checked and if Dennis does not then this may explain the

> different behaviour.

> David G.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene

> Sent: 29 December 2020 03:39

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

>

> I know of no such setting.  This is very likely another instance where you

> have to help the screen-reader in some way by using read current line as you

> type.  I don't know why Outlook is different, in the address bar in the

> browsers I use, autocomplete will read as what I type changes.

>

> Gene

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Dennis L

> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 7:26 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

>

>

>

> I have the setting

>

> Automatic say on page load unchecked.  I was able to get it to read the

> first suggestion but not more suggestions.  Example if I type j and joe

> smith is first it will read that if I continue typing and type john it won’t

> read John smith can this be changed that it will continuously read the

> suggestions?

>

>

>

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith

> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 5:58 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

>

>

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> This is slightly odd as this is precisely hwat NVDA does for me in Outlook.

> I have just tried it and if I press K the most recent email I have typed

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> whose name begins with K. Pressing the down arrow reveals other addresses

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> I wonder if there is a setting in Outlook about keeping recent addresses you

> need to turn on?

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> Having said that it is also true that this feature does not, for me at

> least,  any longer, reveal results from all your contacts. I often have to

> go into the to button and search in there to reveal all my addresses in

> contacts.

>

>

>

> David G.

>

>

>

> On 28/12/2020 21:56, Dennis L wrote:

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> Hi, I was wondering is there a way to get NVDA to automatically read the

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Re: NVDA and outlook questions

Dan Miner
 

Yes, please inquiry to Microsoft.  I just use the products.  *smile*

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Smart
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 12:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

 

microsoft may know the answer to that one.

 

 

On 2020-12-30 2:01 a.m., Arlene wrote:

Hey, speaking of outlook. If I upgrade from outlook 2010 with my outlook key. Do I have to pay for the upgrade?  I don’t care if I do. I am inquiring.  Thanks.  

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Dan Miner via groups.io
Sent: December 29, 2020 10:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

 

Your version number suggests you have some kind of subscription and Office 365 is the only recent offerings I know of.  So, if that is the case you probably just need to login to your Microsoft account (via the File menu using that account management option) and update.  I did just that about 2 weeks ago.

 

Compared to 2016, the latest Office has been working better in my experiences.  Even the calendar is becoming more and more useable.

 

 

    Dan

> On Dec 29, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:

>

> Does outlook 2019 work better?

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Miner via

> groups.io

> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 5:28 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

>

> Well, if it is a 2016 based version then you likely will have the problem of

> it not reading suggestions easily.  I always had to fiddle around with it to

> get anything.  I vaguely remember using object navigation to dive into the

> enclosing frame   It I was truly needing to use that feature, I would just

> switch to JAWS 18 and it would read in a more natural way.  I would give

> recent Narrator a try and see how it fairs with that dropdown.

>

>    Dan

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L

> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 8:57 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

>

> I believe it is 2016.  This is the version number I got when I used jaws and

> got the version number.

> Microsoft Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.13426.20404 -----Original

> Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Miner via

> groups.io

> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 10:43 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

>

> I have Outlook from Office 365 and if I recall this thread was about the To

> field and reading the type-ahead suggestion reading?  When I was using

> Outlook 2016, I had this problem of it not reading but I did a bit of

> testing again on this version.  It seems to be working fine with the type

> ahead for reading the first suggestion and changing as I progress on typing.

> Also, a simple down arrow will read the remaining suggestions.  I don't

> recall which version you have but I am wondering if that is a factor here.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L

> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 12:28 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

>

> There is no outlook setting I know of where I have to adjust it for the

> screen reader to properly read other screen readers read it.  so should

> NVDA.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith

> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 12:40 AM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

>

>

> I think there is a setting.

> You need to go to, in Outlook to File then Options and then under Mail find

> the setting which says Automatic Name checking  and make sure that that is

> checked.

> I have this checked and if Dennis does not then this may explain the

> different behaviour.

> David G.

> -----Original Message-----

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene

> Sent: 29 December 2020 03:39

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

>

> I know of no such setting.  This is very likely another instance where you

> have to help the screen-reader in some way by using read current line as you

> type.  I don't know why Outlook is different, in the address bar in the

> browsers I use, autocomplete will read as what I type changes.

>

> Gene

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Dennis L

> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 7:26 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

>

>

>

> I have the setting

>

> Automatic say on page load unchecked.  I was able to get it to read the

> first suggestion but not more suggestions.  Example if I type j and joe

> smith is first it will read that if I continue typing and type john it won’t

> read John smith can this be changed that it will continuously read the

> suggestions?

>

>

>

> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith

> Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 5:58 PM

> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

>

>

>

>

>

> This is slightly odd as this is precisely hwat NVDA does for me in Outlook.

> I have just tried it and if I press K the most recent email I have typed

>

>

>

> whose name begins with K. Pressing the down arrow reveals other addresses

> beginning with K.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> I wonder if there is a setting in Outlook about keeping recent addresses you

> need to turn on?

>

>

>

> Having said that it is also true that this feature does not, for me at

> least,  any longer, reveal results from all your contacts. I often have to

> go into the to button and search in there to reveal all my addresses in

> contacts.

>

>

>

> David G.

>

>

>

> On 28/12/2020 21:56, Dennis L wrote:

>

>

>

> Hi, I was wondering is there a way to get NVDA to automatically read the

> suggestions that come up when you are typing the address or persons name who

> the message is to?

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