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Re: SPSS and NVDA

William
 

Sorry, I am a bit loss.

According to Joseph, latest NVDA do have java access bridge packaged already, so I dont have to install java access bridge myself right?




Lukasz Golonka via groups.io 於 3/1/2021 6:00 寫道:

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 13:26:42 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

While I'm not doubting you, this is even more bizarre.  That control panel entry, when opened, presents like virtually any other, and uses a Windows style, with tabs, that predates Windows 10 by years.  Why it should behave any differently is a mystery.
It's simply written in Java and without Access Bridge enabled no app
using Sphinx (default library for building GUI's in Java) can
communicate with screen readers.

Thanks also for the tip about CSE, which I suspect is right.  A restart didn't fix things, and I have since uninstalled.  I will eventually restart and reinstall, but since I have done that before, to no avail, I'm really not expecting a different result now.
Assuming that you want CSE to just run and you don't care about it being
accessible to screen readers you probably can just disable Java Access
Bridge from control panel, delete the file '.accessibility.properties'
from your %userprofile% and then try running CSE again. Make sure not to
launch NVDA after you do the disabling / deleting because it activates
JAB by default without any way to disable it.


Re: Learning about the Mandelbrot set

Tony Malykh
 

I like Access8Math add-on - works well for wikipedia formulas. But you still would need to be able to read math in order to understand it.

On 1/2/2021 12:43 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
Hello,

I looked up the Mandelbrot set in Wikipedia. The formula for the set is in mathml. I know mathml, but this is too decorated to follow.
Is there any way to get the formula in UEB or even in plain Enblish?

Thanks,
John


Re: Learning about the Mandelbrot set

Jason White
 

On 1/2/21 3:43 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
Is there any way to get the formula in UEB or even in plain Enblish?
Install MathPlayer 4, then revisit the Wikipedia page with NVDA. You should get Nemeth Code braille.


Re: SPSS and NVDA

Lukasz Golonka
 

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 13:26:42 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

While I'm not doubting you, this is even more bizarre.  That control panel entry, when opened, presents like virtually any other, and uses a Windows style, with tabs, that predates Windows 10 by years.  Why it should behave any differently is a mystery.
It's simply written in Java and without Access Bridge enabled no app
using Sphinx (default library for building GUI's in Java) can
communicate with screen readers.

Thanks also for the tip about CSE, which I suspect is right.  A restart didn't fix things, and I have since uninstalled.  I will eventually restart and reinstall, but since I have done that before, to no avail, I'm really not expecting a different result now.
Assuming that you want CSE to just run and you don't care about it being
accessible to screen readers you probably can just disable Java Access
Bridge from control panel, delete the file '.accessibility.properties'
from your %userprofile% and then try running CSE again. Make sure not to
launch NVDA after you do the disabling / deleting because it activates
JAB by default without any way to disable it.


--
Regards
Lukasz


Re: SPSS and NVDA

 

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 03:26 PM, Lukasz Golonka wrote:
This is quite logical - without Access Bridge enabled Java control panel is not accessible so placing a control for enabling it there would not work for anyone using a screen reader.
-
While I'm not doubting you, this is even more bizarre.  That control panel entry, when opened, presents like virtually any other, and uses a Windows style, with tabs, that predates Windows 10 by years.  Why it should behave any differently is a mystery.

And even if it is not accessible, there are many sighted techs who set up machines for use with screen readers.  Having at least "two roads to Rome" for this makes sense to me.

Thanks also for the tip about CSE, which I suspect is right.  A restart didn't fix things, and I have since uninstalled.  I will eventually restart and reinstall, but since I have done that before, to no avail, I'm really not expecting a different result now.
 
--

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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I agree.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 2:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields
separately

As I recall, the Thunderbird add-on has four commands for the fields to be
read all separately, to, from, cc, and bcc.

I disagree with your assertion on grounds of efficiency. It is slower to
shift tab back to the fields in question, then tab back to the document.
Sighted people can just look at the fields. Why shouldn't blind people have
a command that reads the one desired?

I think its good to know how to move through the fields whether you know
screen-reader commands or not but that's a different question.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 1:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields
separately



I actually disagree. if you can expand both fields per the article then
there is no need for nvda to do this.

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On 2 Jan 2021, at 10:58, Dennis L wrote:



Other screen readers have this ability for years. NVDA should also have this
ability.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 7:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields
separately

Hello,
There is nothing we can do from an addon perspective, you need to expand the
outlook message header. Pls see this link:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_outlook-mso_win1
0-mso_2016/show-to-and-cc-separately-in-open-message-in/7717805d-141a-4997-a
440-0b1579752259?auth=1

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Ramesh Patil
Sent: Samstag, 2. Januar 2021 09:41
To: nvda nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Sir,

I am using NVDA and outlook 2016 with addon outlook extended. But by
keystroke ALT + 3 NVDA will announce both To and CC fields of mail together.

we can not able to understand which mail id is of CC and which of To field.
Addon developer please guide or any other way to listen CC and To fields
separately

Ramesh Patil


Learning about the Mandelbrot set

John J. Boyer
 

Hello,

I looked up the Mandelbrot set in Wikipedia. The formula for the set is in mathml. I know mathml, but this is too decorated to follow.
Is there any way to get the formula in UEB or even in plain Enblish?

Thanks,
John

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website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
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Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
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that are available at no cost


Re: SPSS and NVDA

Lukasz Golonka
 

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 12:12:02 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

Lukasz,

        Thank you, very much.  I definitely would never have thought to look in the Ease of Access settings, and buried under the Use your computer without a screen link, for enabling Java Access Bridge.  It was there exactly as you stated, and I am on Windows 10 Version 20H2.
Back in the day when Oracle actually cared about Java on desktop it was
documented on their website, no idea how this is now.


         I'm actually shocked that this does not show up in some obvious spot in the actual Java settings accessed from Control Panel, but I'll be darned if I could find it when I checked.
This is quite logical - without Access Bridge enabled Java control panel
is not accessible so placing a control for enabling it there would not
work for anyone using a screen reader.


         I'm still getting the error from Crucial Storage Executive, but I have not restarted my system yet because tweaking that setting did not indicate this was necessary.  But I've long ago learned that sometimes certain settings are not recognized unless they were in place at the immediately previous boot time.
This one definitely requires a restart, or at least logging out and back
in to apply properly.
Looking at your log for Crucial Storage executive however I very much
doubt having Java Access Bridge enabled would improve the situation. TO
me it looks like whatever version of Java is bundled with CSE has
incomplete installation of Access Bridge.

--
Regards
Lukasz


Re: SPSS and NVDA

 

Lukasz,

        Thank you, very much.  I definitely would never have thought to look in the Ease of Access settings, and buried under the Use your computer without a screen link, for enabling Java Access Bridge.  It was there exactly as you stated, and I am on Windows 10 Version 20H2.

         I'm actually shocked that this does not show up in some obvious spot in the actual Java settings accessed from Control Panel, but I'll be darned if I could find it when I checked.

         I'm still getting the error from Crucial Storage Executive, but I have not restarted my system yet because tweaking that setting did not indicate this was necessary.  But I've long ago learned that sometimes certain settings are not recognized unless they were in place at the immediately previous boot time.
--

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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Sarah k Alawami
 

It's not necessarily slower per-say depending on how quickly you have things set up. I can read at over 2-300 wpm so for me it is faster for me to back tab and tab etc.

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On 2 Jan 2021, at 11:54, Gene wrote:

As I recall, the Thunderbird add-on has four commands for the fields to be read all separately, to, from, cc, and bcc.

I disagree with your assertion on grounds of efficiency. It is slower to shift tab back to the fields in question, then tab back to the document. Sighted people can just look at the fields. Why shouldn't blind people have a command that reads the one desired?

I think its good to know how to move through the fields whether you know screen-reader commands or not but that's a different question.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 1:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

I actually disagree. if you can expand both fields per the article then there is no need for nvda to do this.

--

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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On 2 Jan 2021, at 10:58, Dennis L wrote:

Other screen readers have this ability for years. NVDA should also have this ability.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 7:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Hello,
There is nothing we can do from an addon perspective, you need to expand the outlook message header. Pls see this link:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_outlook-mso_win10-mso_2016/show-to-and-cc-separately-in-open-message-in/7717805d-141a-4997-a440-0b1579752259?auth=1

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Ramesh Patil
Sent: Samstag, 2. Januar 2021 09:41
To: nvda nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Sir,

I am using NVDA and outlook 2016 with addon outlook extended. But by keystroke ALT + 3 NVDA will announce both To and CC fields of mail together. we can not able to understand which mail id is of CC and which of To field. Addon developer please guide or any other way to listen CC and To fields separately

Ramesh Patil


Re: Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Gene
 

As I recall, the Thunderbird add-on has four commands for the fields to be read all separately, to, from, cc, and bcc.

I disagree with your assertion on grounds of efficiency. It is slower to shift tab back to the fields in question, then tab back to the document. Sighted people can just look at the fields. Why shouldn't blind people have a command that reads the one desired?

I think its good to know how to move through the fields whether you know screen-reader commands or not but that's a different question.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 1:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately



I actually disagree. if you can expand both fields per the article then there is no need for nvda to do this.

--

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

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On 2 Jan 2021, at 10:58, Dennis L wrote:



Other screen readers have this ability for years. NVDA should also have this ability.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 7:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Hello,
There is nothing we can do from an addon perspective, you need to expand the outlook message header. Pls see this link:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_outlook-mso_win10-mso_2016/show-to-and-cc-separately-in-open-message-in/7717805d-141a-4997-a440-0b1579752259?auth=1

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Ramesh Patil
Sent: Samstag, 2. Januar 2021 09:41
To: nvda nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Sir,

I am using NVDA and outlook 2016 with addon outlook extended. But by keystroke ALT + 3 NVDA will announce both To and CC fields of mail together. we can not able to understand which mail id is of CC and which of To field. Addon developer please guide or any other way to listen CC and To fields separately

Ramesh Patil


Re: SPSS and NVDA

Lukasz Golonka
 

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 11:14:18 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, if someone can tell me exactly where in Java's settings, I'd appreciate it, because I sure as heck can't find it.  I have Java 8, Update 271, from November 2020 installed on my system.  There's nothing under the Advanced settings for Java Access Bridge that I saw, and none of the other tabs seems to have this, either.
Sorry I probably should've been more specific I ment Windows control
panel. I don't have any Windows 10 system handy here, but I'll assume
for the moment that this has not changed much from Windows 7. You need
to:

- Open Windows control panel the old classic one.
- Open ease of access center
- Click a link which says 'Use your computer without a screen;
- Check a checkbox called ''Enable Java Access Bridge'
- Click ok, and restart your computer.

--
Regards
Lukasz


Re: Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Gene
 

I don't know how the add-on works and I don't use Outlook. But what happens if you open a message and start tabbing backwards? See if you start moving through fields such as subject, and other fields including those you want to see.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 12:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Other screen readers have this ability for years. NVDA should also have this ability.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 7:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Hello,
There is nothing we can do from an addon perspective, you need to expand the outlook message header. Pls see this link:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_outlook-mso_win10-mso_2016/show-to-and-cc-separately-in-open-message-in/7717805d-141a-4997-a440-0b1579752259?auth=1

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ramesh Patil
Sent: Samstag, 2. Januar 2021 09:41
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Sir,

I am using NVDA and outlook 2016 with addon outlook extended. But by keystroke ALT + 3 NVDA will announce both To and CC fields of mail together. we can not able to understand which mail id is of CC and which of To field. Addon developer please guide or any other way to listen CC and To fields separately

Ramesh Patil


Re: Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Sarah k Alawami
 

I actually disagree. if you can expand both fields per the article then there is no need for nvda to do this.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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On 2 Jan 2021, at 10:58, Dennis L wrote:

Other screen readers have this ability for years. NVDA should also have this ability.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 7:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Hello,
There is nothing we can do from an addon perspective, you need to expand the outlook message header. Pls see this link:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_outlook-mso_win10-mso_2016/show-to-and-cc-separately-in-open-message-in/7717805d-141a-4997-a440-0b1579752259?auth=1

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Ramesh Patil
Sent: Samstag, 2. Januar 2021 09:41
To: nvda nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Sir,

I am using NVDA and outlook 2016 with addon outlook extended. But by keystroke ALT + 3 NVDA will announce both To and CC fields of mail together. we can not able to understand which mail id is of CC and which of To field. Addon developer please guide or any other way to listen CC and To fields separately

Ramesh Patil


Re: Screen Dimming and Battery Saving

 

Your last choice should not work, or at least didn't the last time I tried it, because Windows has "gotten smart" and if a second screen is not detected for actual use, it reverts to the primary screen.

As to the other two, it really depends on how the screen in a given machine handles things.  For some reducing brightness does not really change anything in regard to the backlighting, which is what eats up a lot of power.  I think the same is true of screen curtain functions, at least to an extent.  They have to be dependent on how hardware handles things.

It is definitely possible, though I cannot say that it's a good idea, to disable your monitor/display from within Device Manager.  I won't even try it because I don't want to take the slightest chance that I'd end up in a position where I have no display nor the requisite skill to turn it back on very quickly using the screen reader once it's off.  Someone else here should be able to comment about whether this approach works and whether it's advisable or not.  Were you to do it, and were the result persistent between boot cycles, you would have to go back in to Device Manager to re-enable the monitor if it were to be needed for sighted assistance.
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       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Screen Dimming and Battery Saving

 

Hi,
Of these, dimming the screen is most effective - you can't really project your screen onto another monitor unless you have a different monitor connected or using older Windows releases, and screen curtain doesn't dim the screen - it makes the screen go black but doesn't change brightness.
A more effective solution is tweaking power plan settings:
* Make the CPU (processor) go a bit slower.
* Enable power saving mode for the wireless card.
* Tell Windows to turn off the display after a shorter amount of time.
Also, don't use a lot of processor-intensive programs in the background.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 11:04 AM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Screen Dimming and Battery Saving

Dear all,

I am using NVDA 2020.4 Beta 2 on Windows 10, and I am looking to maximize my laptop's battery life, and as a blind person, I would like to save on the power that the display monitor uses. There are three ways (not necessarily mutually exclusive) that I know that help in screen dimming:
* reducing brightness level from from Settings to 0
* enabling NVDA's screen curtain
* pressing Windows+P and selecting Second screen only For each of these, could you please comment on whether or not they help extend battery life and explain why? Are there other ways to save on display power that I have missed?

I would truly appreciate any assistance.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/


Re: SPSS and NVDA

 

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 01:55 PM, Lukasz Golonka wrote:
Since Java 7 or Java 8 (can't recall specific version number) Access
Bridge installs itself when installing JDK / JRE and just need to be
activated in control panel.
-
Well, if someone can tell me exactly where in Java's settings, I'd appreciate it, because I sure as heck can't find it.  I have Java 8, Update 271, from November 2020 installed on my system.  There's nothing under the Advanced settings for Java Access Bridge that I saw, and none of the other tabs seems to have this, either.

Also, and I know I'm breaking group protocol here, I want to post the log (which is relatively short) that I get when I attempt to start Crucial Storage Executive, which seems to point to an issue with Java accessibility, whether it's truly access bridge or not.  It's not perfectly clear, but I'd have to believe it is since AccessBridge is mentioned.  I do this only because this is, to my mind, indirectly tied in to the NVDA accessibility for SPSS that was under discussion, and could occur in other Java-based contexts.  What follows is the log, so you can stop reading here if you're not "versed in logs."
-----------------
2020-11-15 00:50:54,343 [main] INFO  STDOUT - Configured default logger at log level INFO
2020-11-15 00:50:54,722 [main] ERROR STDERR - Exception in thread "main" 
2020-11-15 00:50:54,724 [main] ERROR STDERR - java.awt.AWTError: Assistive Technology not found: com.sun.java.accessibility.AccessBridge
2020-11-15 00:50:54,725 [main] ERROR STDERR - at java.awt.Toolkit.loadAssistiveTechnologies(Toolkit.java:807)
2020-11-15 00:50:54,726 [main] ERROR STDERR - at java.awt.Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit(Toolkit.java:886)
2020-11-15 00:50:54,726 [main] ERROR STDERR - at javax.swing.UIManager.<clinit>(UIManager.java:380)
2020-11-15 00:50:54,727 [main] ERROR STDERR - at com.micron.msd.gui.GUI.launch(GUI.java:120)
2020-11-15 00:50:54,727 [main] ERROR STDERR - at com.micron.msd.gui.GUI.main(GUI.java:93)
2021-01-02 14:09:22,017 [main] INFO  STDOUT - Configured default logger at log level INFO
2021-01-02 14:09:22,292 [main] ERROR STDERR - Exception in thread "main" 
2021-01-02 14:09:22,293 [main] ERROR STDERR - java.awt.AWTError: Assistive Technology not found: com.sun.java.accessibility.AccessBridge
2021-01-02 14:09:22,294 [main] ERROR STDERR - at java.awt.Toolkit.loadAssistiveTechnologies(Toolkit.java:807)
2021-01-02 14:09:22,294 [main] ERROR STDERR - at java.awt.Toolkit.getDefaultToolkit(Toolkit.java:886)
2021-01-02 14:09:22,294 [main] ERROR STDERR - at javax.swing.UIManager.<clinit>(UIManager.java:380)
2021-01-02 14:09:22,294 [main] ERROR STDERR - at com.micron.msd.gui.GUI.launch(GUI.java:120)
2021-01-02 14:09:22,294 [main] ERROR STDERR - at com.micron.msd.gui.GUI.main(GUI.java:93)
-----------------
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Screen Dimming and Battery Saving

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

I am using NVDA 2020.4 Beta 2 on Windows 10, and I am looking to
maximize my laptop's battery life, and as a blind person, I would like
to save on the power that the display monitor uses. There are three
ways (not necessarily mutually exclusive) that I know that help in
screen dimming:
* reducing brightness level from from Settings to 0
* enabling NVDA's screen curtain
* pressing Windows+P and selecting Second screen only
For each of these, could you please comment on whether or not they
help extend battery life and explain why? Are there other ways to save
on display power that I have missed?

I would truly appreciate any assistance.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
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Re: Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Other screen readers have this ability for years. NVDA should also have this ability.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 7:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Hello,
There is nothing we can do from an addon perspective, you need to expand the outlook message header. Pls see this link:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_outlook-mso_win10-mso_2016/show-to-and-cc-separately-in-open-message-in/7717805d-141a-4997-a440-0b1579752259?auth=1

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ramesh Patil
Sent: Samstag, 2. Januar 2021 09:41
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Sir,

I am using NVDA and outlook 2016 with addon outlook extended. But by keystroke ALT + 3 NVDA will announce both To and CC fields of mail together. we can not able to understand which mail id is of CC and which of To field. Addon developer please guide or any other way to listen CC and To fields separately

Ramesh Patil


Re: SPSS and NVDA

Lukasz Golonka
 

Judging from the version number Java Access Bridge on that page is
extremely old and should not be used unless you need compatibility with
very old versions of Java.
Since Java 7 or Java 8 (can't recall specific version number) Access
Bridge installs itself when installing JDK / JRE and just need to be
activated in control panel.

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Regards
Lukasz

On Sat, 02 Jan 2021 08:07:51 -0800
"Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

If anyone happens to know of a source other than Oracle for the latest ZIP file for the installer for Java Access Bridge please share it.  This is the Oracle page on <https://docs.oracle.com/javase/accessbridge/2.0.2/setup.htm>Installing Java Access Bridge v2.0.2.  When you follow the link to download, you must have an Oracle Account to log in, which I created, but when you get to what should be the download page you get the message:
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This site is experiencing technical difficulty. We are aware of the issue and are working as quick as possible to correct the issue.

We apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused.

To speak with an Oracle sales representative: 1.800.ORACLE1.

To contact Oracle Corporate Headquarters from anywhere in the world: 1.650.506.7000.

To get technical support in the United States: 1.800.633.0738.
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Well, they've been aware of this since at least early November, which is when I first attempted to obtain Java Access Bridge and had a lengthy exchange with Oracle Support by phone after going through what felt like several circles of hell in the Inferno.  The gentleman I finally dealt with seemed sincerely interested in helping, and was able to replicate this error, and even called me back once.  After that, the ball was dropped.

Believe it or not, I am getting an error message related to Java Access Bridge from the installer for Crucial Storage Executive, their control utility for many of their SSDs.  I recently got one and cannot get this software to install because I have no Java Access Bridge and Oracle has made it impossible to obtain it.

If anyone reading here happens to have contacts inside Oracle whose cages could be rattled please consider this a request from me to do that rattling.  I find it almost criminal that an issue like this, which should have a simple solution, has gone unaddressed for several months after being reported directly to support and to a real person in support.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  
The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.
       ~ Brian Vogel
 

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