Re: Selecting Files
benmoxey@...
Hi everyone
Hold the Shift and use your arrows to select files that are next to each other.
If you only want some of the files in a folder, hold Control and use your arrows to move to those files. Keep the Control held down and use Space to select or unselect. Only release the Control when you are done and are ready to copy, cut etc. If you release Control and press one of the arrows, you will lose the selection and will need to start over.
Cheers
Ben
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sascha Cowley via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 7 January 2021 10:00 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files
Ctrl+↓ moves the focus without affecting the highlight. Do you mean Shift+↓, or am I missing something?
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Re: Strategies for navigating YouTube comments using NVDA?
Luke Robinett
Thanks for all the great ideas, folks. Turns out I’m already doing a combination of most of these things but did pick up a few tips and tricks. Tony, that plug-in sounds awesome! I will definitely grab that and see if it helps. I found that if I press control end to go to the very bottom of the page and then press shift 2 a couple of times I will find the comments section pretty consistently since it is under a level two heading. Of the two issues I originally brought up, I’d say traversing between the comments is the most annoying. Even if you press G to go to the profile image of each user, there are still numerous elements you have to move pass to get to the actual text of the comment. Thanks again and keep the ideas coming. I’ve already submitted The feedback to Google as I mentioned so hopefully that will help. In the scheme of things I know this isn’t like a critical issue or anything, but I am a big fan of reading and interacting with comments on topics that interest me so it would be nice if that could be made a little easier. :)
On Dec 31, 2020, at 6:08 PM, Sascha Cowley via groups.io <sascha.camille@...> wrote:
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Re: Selecting Files
Ann Byrne
When you use ctrl-down arrow, you press spacebar on any file you want to select. If the files are contiguous you can use shift down arrow, but not I think ctrl-shift down arrow.
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At 04:49 PM 1/6/2021, you wrote:
Chris,
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Re: Selecting Files
Sascha Cowley
Ctrl+↓ moves the focus without affecting the highlight. Do you mean Shift+↓, or am I missing something?
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Re: using NVDA with Bluetooth
Luke Robinett
Sorry, I should have been clearer. The AirPods connect via Bluetooth. They connect fine, it’s just that slight delay and truncating of the first part of NVDA speech that makes them unusable for me. Would love if this has been fixed somehow. Thanks.
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On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:57 PM, Luke Robinett via groups.io <blindgroupsluke=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
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Re: Selecting Files
Sascha Cowley
You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.
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Re: using NVDA with Bluetooth
Luke Robinett
Hey Bob and others,
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I’ve tried several times in the recent past to use my Apple AirPods with my PC and NVDA but it never works very well. There’s a bit of lag and the first bit of whatever NVDA speaks gets chopped off. Has this since been fixed, either in windows or NVDA?
On Jan 1, 2021, at 8:58 PM, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:
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Re: Selecting Files
David Goldfield
Chris, I usually press control with down arrow to select files contiguously. I’m not familiar with adding the shift key to perform this task, at least if we’re talking about File Explorer.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Christopher Gray
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 5:45 PM To: nvda@groups.io Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files
Hello:
When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any thoughts here?
Many thanks.
Chris
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Selecting Files
Christopher Gray
Hello:
When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any thoughts here?
Many thanks.
Chris
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Re: Add-on version 21.01 released: Enhanced Touch Gestures, Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist, Windows 10 App Essentials
#addonrelease
hurrikennyandopo ...
Hi
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You must have the following add on installed into nvda called add on updater which can be found at https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/addonUpdater.en.html <https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/addonUpdater.en.html> After it has been installed into nvda it will then look for compatible add ons and look for a newer version of that add on. I think you can also force it to look for updated add ons by going to tools then check for check for add on updates then follow directions. there are some I guess call third party add ons which will not work with it until a add on author makes it compatible with the add on updater. I mean by this they may come off other websites. So they will not be updated. Gene nz
On 6/01/2021 10:41 pm, aad leeflang wrote:
hello joseph,
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Re: Add-on version 21.01 released: Enhanced Touch Gestures, Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist, Windows 10 App Essentials
#addonrelease
Hello,
I'm not Joseph, but what he's saying is that all add-ons will be checked to see if they are at their latest versions, and you'll be alerted that new updates are available if they are not, if you install the Add-On Updater Add-On. It even checks whether it is up to date, and will tell you when a newer version of itself becomes available. I believe that this functionality will eventually be integrated into the NVDA core code, but until then the easiest way to have something monitor your collection of Add-Ons to make sure you have the latest is to use Add-On Updater. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: Add-on version 21.01 released: Enhanced Touch Gestures, Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist, Windows 10 App Essentials
#addonrelease
aad leeflang
hello joseph,
i am not so familiar with nvda but i use the station playlist ad-on. i understand that i can jupdate the ad-on to use it with station playlist 5.30. you wrote that you can update add-ons by using the updater. i have been looking at the add-ons in my list but there is no update add-on button there. can you please tell me how i can update them? many thanks, aad leeflang
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Add-on version 21.01 released: Enhanced Touch Gestures, Resource Monitor, StationPlaylist, Windows 10 App Essentials
#addonrelease
Hello everyone, Four add-ons were updated to version 21.01:
As always, the new add-on updates can be retrieved via Add-on Updater or from community add-ons website. Cheers, Joseph
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Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read
#adminnotice
Betsy Grenevitch
I really do not have time to join a chat like that. I already have difficulty staying up with my email some days as it is so will just see if what I learn from the course I have begun today will give me what I need. Thanks for the offer, though.
On 1/5/2021 6:59 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 02:51 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote: --
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876
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Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read
#adminnotice
On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 02:51 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
Brian, I would love to have that type of training. I would need the time to be able to write down specific notes and steps to follow so I could relate to them later as they will not be remembered- Then I would really, really encourage you to engage in the Chat Subgroup where you can engage in Q&A to your heart's content, and ask at your own pace. My only suggestion is that you give specific requests, e.g., Can someone walk me through ordering an item on Amazon?, rather than something like, "Can someone teach me how to shop online?" The second question is just too broad to be answered, as sites vary wildly as to the exact details of their interfaces, while single sites like Amazon tend to be as close to 100% consistent as they can be, regardless of what you're ordering. Were this to be an accurate example, and the thing you want to order is not private in nature, even stating what that is can be really helpful for anyone who wants to assist. You can give far more exact descriptions of what the person who's asking will actually encounter. It has been my experience that once someone has confidence on how to do a defined thing in a specific venue, they can generalize to a related thing in that specific venue relatively easily. And it's far easier to teach or guide when you as the teacher or guide know what the destination is. Here are the addresses for the NVDA Chat Subgroup, which allows discussion of anything within the bounds of civil discourse, not just NVDA: To join: chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io To post: chat@nvda.groups.io To unsubscribe: chat+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io To receive a message containing the group description, and a list of these commands: chat+help@nvda.groups.io To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages on the Web): chat+nomail@nvda.groups.io This can also be used to put a vacation stop on group messages, then use one of the addresses below to resume delivery in the format of your choice. To receive each group messages individually: chat+single@nvda.groups.io This is the default delivery unless you send a message to one of the addresses that follows. To receive group messages in an HTML formatted digest: chat+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io To receive group messages in a plain text digest: chat+digest@nvda.groups.io To receive a daily summary instead of individual messages: chat+summary@nvda.groups.io To receive only special messages: chat+special@nvda.groups.io To contact the group owner(s): chat+owner@nvda.groups.io-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read
#adminnotice
Thats a hard question.
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What is your opinion of access in general? Mine is that the program in question is fully usable, with readable documentation at minimal in a structured accessible pdf or failing that html with the right headings. Daisy would be nice but for all practical purposes a standard html document is what I'd go for any day or text, word, etc whatever. The program must have keyboard shortcuts, settings that are easy to understand, menus or heck I guess ribbons that are easy to understand though I am a menu kind a guy. If its a universal app, its web interface should be easy to navigate, with buttons which are labeled and alt text in the right places. Self voicing is an option but having the ability to run something like tolque and run sapi and screen reader support would be nice. Having actual reader access with an addon like nvda or jaws I guess would be nice, but if it uses standard controls then its going to work. No customised styles, fonts or extras would be nice but again if its labeled then fine. If it had the same interface no matter what system or configuration is also a pluss. I don't need a dumbed down interface for the blind, unless there is a simple and advanced mode for various things and I can easily switch. Most of this is simple stuff. Look at ccleaner for example. Button labeling and checkboxes were the simple thing, settings with labeled controls deciding what you chose, shortcut keys without conflicts. An easy to understand system. Would I have liked a dumbed down interface which had spaciffic things for the blind, probably not. With accessibility you really want something to be accessible or rather usable to every user. That means you shouldn't need nvda addons or jaws scripts to work with it. You shouldn't need spaciffic libraries to work with it and screen reader/sapi support. You shouldn't need dumbed down interfaces. As long as its designed right then it should all just work. Of course a lot of stuff uses coding engines and generators and those may or may not do everything or put things in you are not aware of. This aint a perfect world though, so as long as its got standard controles and its all labeled and easy to configure and use thats about what I'd expect. Customised shortcuts and sound notifications especially if there is a custom soundscheme and the ability to add extra sound schemes where appropriate is also good. Another thing is that once you have an interface, try to keep it the same or at least keep every new interface if it needs extras the same standard as the old one. CCleaner was originally fully accessible. Then it got changed, then it got put back. There are a few plusses. Its not a given but right now anything universal will use a web component, so if the web bits work generally the rest will work enough to be used. If its chromeum based there is a chance it will work to. Of course you will want to adjust things but still. I have not seen any programs actually holding your hand as such lately.
On 6/01/2021 10:57 am, Jaffar Sidek wrote:
Hi. I think, really, that the question that should be asked is:
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Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read
#adminnotice
On Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 02:43 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote:
Please realize when you have expectations for your group members to be able to perform, that for some us, it may not always be possible because of things like this.- You know, I don't think I have ever said, ever, anything that would be counter to this. There are exception cases to "the typical" all the time. I can't win here. If I try to cover all the bases it becomes hideously long, hard to follow, and the central points disappear. When I do what I think appropriate, and that is to address "the general case," many seem to think it's an edict that must be applied to everyone, equally, without any consideration of other factors. It isn't. Far too often my own writing is harder to follow than it might be because I'm trying to cover far too many bases. If anything, I am trying to make an effort to avoid a litany of exceptions and caveats, which I definitely recognize, and focus on the general case. Any one of us can play the, "But what if?," game such that it never ends. And I hasten to say here, Betsy, that all of the above is in no way aimed at you, personally, but is triggered by your observation. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself. ~ Brian Vogel
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Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read
#adminnotice
Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
Hi. I think, really, that the question that should be asked is:
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to what point does the need for accessibility borders onto the need to be spoilt and spoon fed, isn't it? Cheers!
On 6/1/2021 2:37 am, tim wrote:
So you mean like how Microsoft is doing with VS code?
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Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop
Gene
That may have been true in the past but it isn't now. numpad commands work in either setting.
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Gene
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From: Dave Grossoehme Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2021 12:04 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] problems using NVDA with my new laptop Good Day: I have seen this problem before. It's possible that the NVDA settings in keyboard settings is set to laptop. If so, none of the numpad keys for NVDA will work. She will need to go into NVDA and change that to desktop. In order to answer this, she would need to check and see if any of the numpad key commands work in NVDA.. Dave On 12/29/2020 7:23 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote: Gene, I have used numpad very little until getting this laptop. I assume you mean just pushing the numpad 7 by itself when nomlock is off, right? If that is the case it does not do anything if it can be used in an email as that is where I tried it. When I push any of those three numbers it just says clipboard. If you would like for me to write you privately, please let me know. On 12/29/2020 7:52 PM, Gene wrote: it might help clarify things if we knew the answer to the following question: When you use numpad commands by themselves, do they work correctly? In other words, does numpad 8 read the current line of the object you are on? Does numpad 7 move to the previous line and numpad 9 move to the next line? I also did a bit of experimentation and if a current or near current version of NVDA is being used, it doesn't matter, for what we are discussing, if laptop or desktop mode is being used. it may for other commands, but the numpad review commands such as shift 7, 8, and 9, work in both modes. Before continuing with any experimentation, do the following to make completely sure you are working in the correct screen-review mode: Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1 until you hear no previous review mode. If you changed review modes at some point, you may well have unexpected results. Gene On 12/29/2020 6:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote: On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 06:40 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote: Since you are using a laptop NVDA should be on laptop keyboard layout.- I'm sorry, but that's incorrect and, in actuality, very seldom the case or necessary. If you have a laptop that has a number pad as part of its built in keyboard NVDA installs using desktop keyboard layout because it can since all the keys are there. I only have folks use laptop layout if they are already familiar with it and prefer it, or if they have a laptop that does not have a number pad as part of its built in keyboard. That is the minority of laptops produced today. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 [Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:] Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next. We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy. ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner -- Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876
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Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read
#adminnotice
Betsy Grenevitch
Brian, I would love to have that type of training. I would need the time to be able to write down specific notes and steps to follow so I could relate to them later as they will not be remembered (refer to my most recent post before this one).
Please let me know what we need to arrange to make this training possible.
I would also love to have training using NVDA of how to feel comfortable navigating a site such as NV Access and purchasing something. I am one of those that was mentioned the other day of doing something wrong and not being able to get out of it. I have always been a little fearful of that but with this memory situation that fear has only become worse. This is why I try to write down what I will hear when certain steps are taken or situations arise. I desire to become more independent in situations like this in case my daughter is not here to help as she does now.
Brian, I think I mentioned the other day that I have appreciated your help in the past.
On 1/4/2021 6:23 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Mon, Jan 4, 2021 at 05:57 PM, Betsy Grenevitch wrote: --
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876
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