First, many thanks for this discussion. It has been helpful.



I did use “Selecting Files” in my original subject. But, I probably was of
base in doing this. What I am actually trying to do is select groups of
directories. I did not view this as any different than selecting a file but
perhaps I am wrong in this. So, is selecting directories needing a
different set of commands?



Thanks and sorry for not being clearer.



Chris





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 3:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi Gene

Well I’m using Windows 10 with NVDA 2020.3 and it clearly announces “not
selected” after each file name as I use Control+Shift+DownArrow to move
through the list of files immediately after opening File Explorer.
Similarly, if I select the first file then use Control+Shift+DownArrow,
subsequent files are selected.



Had Chris known how the command works, he could have achieved what he wanted
to do, so to say it’s the “wrong command” is unreasonable, particularly as
you should know by now that in Windows, there are many ways to achieve the
same thing. I was giving added value to the subject of file selection as
yourself and others have done, just think of it as another tool in the box.



Cheers

Chris



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>
Sent: 07 January 2021 16:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists. it is the

wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never


used in moving in a list in general.

When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not

selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or

unselected.



Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move. If an

item is selected, selected is not spoken. If an item isn't selected,

unselected is spoken. At least that is the case with NVDA. These movement


commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands. Windows has no

purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Mullins

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files







Hi



It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.

Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus

and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent

presses of the command. When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the


top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of


Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files. Had Control+Spacebar

been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would


also have been selected. This functionality makes it a more ergonomic

command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select

command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting

non-contiguous blocks of files.







Cheers



Chris















From: Gene

Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files











It’s the wrong command. In a list, when you are selecting using shift,
just



use shift.







Gene



----Original Message-----



From: Christopher Gray



Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM



To: nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>



Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files















Hello:















When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more



files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my



keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any



thoughts here?















Many thanks.















Chris

Hi Gene

Well I’m using Windows 10 with NVDA 2020.3 and it clearly announces “not selected” after each file name as I use Control+Shift+DownArrow to move through the list of files immediately after opening File Explorer.  Similarly, if I select the first file then use Control+Shift+DownArrow, subsequent files are selected.

Had Chris known how the command works, he could have achieved what he wanted to do, so to say it’s the “wrong command” is unreasonable, particularly as you should know by now that in Windows, there are many ways to achieve the same thing.  I was giving added value to the subject of file selection as yourself and others have done, just think of it as another tool in the box.

Cheers

Chris     

Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists.  it is the

wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never

used in moving in a list in general.

When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not

selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or

unselected.

Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move.  If an

item is selected, selected is not spoken.  If an item isn't selected,

unselected is spoken.  At least that is the case with NVDA.  These movement

commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands.  Windows has no

purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Mullins

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

Hi

It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.

Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus

and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent

presses of the command.  When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the

top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of

Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files.  Had Control+Spacebar

been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would

also have been selected.  This functionality makes it a more ergonomic

command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select

command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting

non-contiguous blocks of files.

Cheers

Chris

From: Gene

Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

It’s the wrong command.  In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just

use shift.

Gene

----Original Message-----

From: Christopher Gray

Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files

Hello:

When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more

files, nothing is selected.  I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my

keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail.  Any

thoughts here?

Many thanks.

Chris

Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists.  it is the

wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never

used in moving in a list in general.

When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not

selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or

unselected.

Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move.  If an

item is selected, selected is not spoken.  If an item isn't selected,

unselected is spoken.  At least that is the case with NVDA.  These movement

commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands.  Windows has no

purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Mullins

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

Hi

It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.

Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus

and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent

presses of the command.  When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the

top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of

Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files.  Had Control+Spacebar

been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would

also have been selected.  This functionality makes it a more ergonomic

command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select

command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting

non-contiguous blocks of files.

Cheers

Chris

From: Gene

Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

It’s the wrong command.  In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just

use shift.

Gene

----Original Message-----

From: Christopher Gray

Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files

Hello:

When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more

files, nothing is selected.  I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my

keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail.  Any

thoughts here?

Many thanks.

Chris

I don't mark messzages myself, I go through and unmark messages as spam,
all I was saying is that some filters look for words which could be.

Its hard to know what will trigger the filter and I have noticed its not
going to do it constantly.

I have had messages marked as spam then more from the same poster not
marked but this hardly happens at least with gmail so the filters are
getting better.



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It’s the wrong command.  In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just

use shift.

Gene

----Original Message-----

From: Christopher Gray

Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files

Hello:

When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more

files, nothing is selected.  I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my

keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail.  Any

thoughts here?

Many thanks.

Chris

Shaun,

           Please, for the love of heaven, pay attention to what I, and others, write.

           I anonymized the message, but it's almost certain that someone who is a member of this group used the mark as spam option of their webmail or email client.  No one should, under any circumstances, for any message, ever do that for a message that they have received from a service they subscribed to.  Unsubscribe, or mute the topic, but do NOT mark it spam.

            I suggest you read up on Email Feedback Loops and the havoc they can, and do, wreak.  I would like to prevent that for our members, thanks very much.  Your contention about marking something as spam often enough is just fine, if the thing is actually spam.  But if it isn't, that's another story.  No message from groups.io is spam because you asked for it, directly, by subscribing.
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Roger that. Thanks. I'm seeing a pattern here -- whereas Apple says "there's
an app for that," with NVDA it's "there's an add on for that." :) I'll make
sure to check out the available add ons in the future to see if there's
something that might solve my need. Thanks again.

Luke


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using NVDA with Bluetooth

Luke R, please check the NVDA addons page for 1 called Bluetooth audio.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/BluetoothAudio.en.html

On 1/6/21, Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry, I should have been clearer. The AirPods connect via Bluetooth.
They connect fine, it’s just that slight delay and truncating of the
first part of NVDA speech that makes them unusable for me. Would love
if this has been fixed somehow. Thanks.

On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:57 PM, Luke Robinett via groups.io
<blindgroupsluke=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hey Bob and others,
I’ve tried several times in the recent past to use my Apple AirPods
with my PC and NVDA but it never works very well. There’s a bit of
lag and the first bit of whatever NVDA speaks gets chopped off. Has
this since been fixed, either in windows or NVDA?

On Jan 1, 2021, at 8:58 PM, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Ah, not sure how I missed this until this morning, but just tried
it and it works brilliantly! Now all I have to decide is which
output to stream to the speaker, Zara or NVDA. I think this is going
to work though. Now all I need is a test server to put into Alta
Cast so I can try this out.

On 12/31/20, Jackie <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:

Bob, please try going to your synthesizer settings
(control+NVDA+s), select your synthesizer, & set your desired audio
output device there.

On 12/31/20, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
It was a post on this list that inspired me to try using NVDA with
my Bluetooth speaker, and to my surprise, it actually worked. My
question is, can I somehow tell NVDA and only NVDA to output to
the Bluetooth speaker, and have everything else still come through
the computer speakers?
Bob

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Sorry, I should have been clearer. The AirPods connect via Bluetooth.
They connect fine, it’s just that slight delay and truncating of the
first part of NVDA speech that makes them unusable for me. Would love
if this has been fixed somehow. Thanks.

On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:57 PM, Luke Robinett via groups.io
<blindgroupsluke=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hey Bob and others,
I’ve tried several times in the recent past to use my Apple AirPods
with my PC and NVDA but it never works very well. There’s a bit of
lag and the first bit of whatever NVDA speaks gets chopped off. Has
this since been fixed, either in windows or NVDA?

On Jan 1, 2021, at 8:58 PM, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Ah, not sure how I missed this until this morning, but just tried
it and it works brilliantly! Now all I have to decide is which
output to stream to the speaker, Zara or NVDA. I think this is going
to work though. Now all I need is a test server to put into Alta
Cast so I can try this out.

On 12/31/20, Jackie <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:

Bob, please try going to your synthesizer settings
(control+NVDA+s), select your synthesizer, & set your desired audio output device there.

On 12/31/20, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
It was a post on this list that inspired me to try using NVDA with
my Bluetooth speaker, and to my surprise, it actually worked. My
question is, can I somehow tell NVDA and only NVDA to output to
the Bluetooth speaker, and have everything else still come through
the computer speakers?
Bob

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The tutorial omits something important. If you move to the top of the list, the item you have moved to is selected. If you hold control and you don't want it selected, you should press space on that item

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 5:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi




is the following tutorial from off my website is what he is wanting. It is for windows explorer.




Selecting and unselecting files in File Explorer
When you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group. To copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you will need to do the following.
It would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the files below. Now, hold down the Ctrl key, then use the Spacebar to select or unselect hightlighted files. Each time you press the Spacebar on an unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files you want and select them with the Spacebar while still holding the Ctrl key. You should hear whether it is selected or unselected. As you arrow down the list of files, to confirm which ones you selected while still holding down the Ctrl key, go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + End key but not at present.

You can grab an NVDA add-on to tell you how many files have been selected until Windows fixes this problem. You will need to use the NVDA key and the End key to see how many file were selected. Please visit the following link https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0





Gene nz




On 7/01/2021 11:58 am, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:
You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.

The tutorial omits something important.  If you move to the top of the list, the item you have moved to is selected.  If you hold control and you don't want it selected, you should press space on that item

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 5:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi




is the following tutorial from off my website is what he is wanting. It is for windows explorer.




Selecting and unselecting files in File Explorer
When you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group. To copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you will need to do the following.
It would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the files below. Now, hold down the Ctrl key, then use the Spacebar to select or unselect hightlighted files. Each time you press the Spacebar on an unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files you want and select them with the Spacebar while still holding the Ctrl key. You should hear whether it is selected or unselected. As you arrow down the list of files, to confirm which ones you selected while still holding down the Ctrl key, go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be read with the NVDA key + End key but not at present.

You can grab an NVDA add-on to tell you how many files have been selected until Windows fixes this problem. You will need to use the NVDA key and the End key to see how many file were selected. Please visit the following link https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0





Gene nz




On 7/01/2021 11:58 am, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:
You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.

Sorry, I should have been clearer. The AirPods connect via Bluetooth. They
connect fine, it’s just that slight delay and truncating of the first part
of NVDA speech that makes them unusable for me. Would love if this has been
fixed somehow. Thanks.

On Jan 6, 2021, at 2:57 PM, Luke Robinett via groups.io
<blindgroupsluke=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

Hey Bob and others,
I’ve tried several times in the recent past to use my Apple AirPods with
my PC and NVDA but it never works very well. There’s a bit of lag and the
first bit of whatever NVDA speaks gets chopped off. Has this since been
fixed, either in windows or NVDA?

On Jan 1, 2021, at 8:58 PM, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

Ah, not sure how I missed this until this morning, but just tried it
and it works brilliantly! Now all I have to decide is which output to
stream to the speaker, Zara or NVDA. I think this is going to work
though. Now all I need is a test server to put into Alta Cast so I can
try this out.

On 12/31/20, Jackie <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:

Bob, please try going to your synthesizer settings (control+NVDA+s),
select your synthesizer, & set your desired audio output device there.

On 12/31/20, Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,
It was a post on this list that inspired me to try using NVDA with my
Bluetooth speaker, and to my surprise, it actually worked. My question
is, can I somehow tell NVDA and only NVDA to output to the Bluetooth
speaker, and have everything else still come through the computer
speakers?
Bob

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The tutorial omits something important. If you move to the top of the list,

the item you have moved to is selected. If you hold control and you don't
want it selected, you should press space on that item

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 5:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi




is the following tutorial from off my website is what he is wanting. It is
for windows explorer.




Selecting and unselecting files in File Explorer
When you go into a folder in file explorer you might only want to copy
certain files out of that folder. They might not be together or in a group.

To copy only certain files out of the folder if there are heaps of them you

will need to do the following.
It would be easier to go to the top of the folder so you can see all the
files below. Now, hold down the Ctrl key, then use the Spacebar to select or

unselect hightlighted files. Each time you press the Spacebar on an
unselected file it will then become selected. Work your way down the files
you want and select them with the Spacebar while still holding the Ctrl key.

You should hear whether it is selected or unselected. As you arrow down the

list of files, to confirm which ones you selected while still holding down
the Ctrl key, go to the top of the folder then arrow down the list. If it
only says the name of the song it is selected but if it says the name of the

song and unselected then you know it is not. Usually the status bar can be
read with the NVDA key + End key but not at present.

You can grab an NVDA add-on to tell you how many files have been selected
until Windows fixes this problem. You will need to use the NVDA key and the

End key to see how many file were selected. Please visit the following link

https://www.dropbox.com/s/a935bus11i8y8k0/ZExplorer_1.0_Gen.nvda-addon?dl=0





Gene nz




On 7/01/2021 11:58 am, Sascha Cowley via groups.io wrote:
You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a
continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a
non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest
above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use
Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing
Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using
Ctrl+Shift+↓.

You should not need to use Ctrl while doing this; Shift + ↓ will extend a continuous selection. Using Ctrl + Shift + ↓ seems to continue a non-continuous selection from the last selected item (IE the one nearest above where you are in the list). With that in mind, are you trying to use Ctrl+Shift+↓ in a list view where nothing is selected? If so, try pressing Space on the item you want to be the first selected item, then using Ctrl+Shift+↓.