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Re: SPSS and NVDA

Rowen Cary
 

What is the result of your try? Can NVDA be used with SPSS?


Re: Questions regarding SwitchSynth

Tyler Spivey
 

Some keyboards aren't able to press certain combinations of keys. That might be why the first slot won't work.
One current limitation of the addon is that you can only bind the keys to modifiers and numbers.
The advantage to this approach is you can get up to 10 slots for free, but the disadvantage is that you're stuck with modifiers and numbers.

It would be relatively simple to modify the addon to expose each slot as its own script, and avoid this limitation entirely.

On 12/31/2020 2:45 AM, Morne van der Merwe wrote:
Good day list,
I use a laptop with the latest version of Windows, as well as NVDA.
I have two questions regarding the SwitchSynth addon.
According to the addon, there are six slots to load languages on. The first slot, however, doesn’t work. I can only load language from slot 2 onwards.
When I select my language, the settings ring does not work. I have to reload NVDA in order for the settings ring to function.
Any help will be much appreciated.
Regards
Morné


Re: Questions regarding SwitchSynth

Sharad Koirala
 

thank u.

On 1/5/21, Jacob Kruger <jacob@blindza.co.za> wrote:
If I select a slot by pressing NVDA + ctrl + shift + 3 (for example), it
should select slot 3, and I then make changes to synth and voice
selection, and then hit NVDA + ctrl + shift + V, to save the combination
of choices in the selected slot.


In NVDA input gesture settings dialogue, under switch synth in the
treeview, there are two child items:

- Save the currently used synthesizer and its settings to the currently
selected slot

- Sets the currently active synthesizer to the selected slot.


And, under those items you can find or change those key combo's.


HTH


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2021-01-04 05:35 PM, Sharad Koirala wrote:
hi,
my question could sound very basic..
but how do we assign different synthesizers to different slots in this
addon? I am not being able to do it..

thank you,

On 1/4/21, Jacob Kruger <jacob@blindza.co.za> wrote:
Morne, one question - if you turn on input help, and, hit the keystroke
assigned to selecting the first slot, what does it tell you?


As in, make sure there's no other bit of functionality assigned to
selecting the first slot?


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2020-12-31 12:45 PM, Morne van der Merwe wrote:
Good day list,

I use a laptop with the latest version of Windows, as well as NVDA.

I have two questions regarding the SwitchSynth addon.

According to the addon, there are six slots to load languages on. The
first slot, however, doesn’t work. I can only load language from slot
2 onwards.

When I select my language, the settings ring does not work. I have to
reload NVDA in order for the settings ring to function.

Any help will be much appreciated.

Regards

Morné








--
Dr. Sharad Koirala
Lecturer
Department of Community Medicine
Gandaki Medical College, Pokhara, Nepal


Re: Selecting Files

Sascha Cowley
 

Can confirm this is what happens on Windows 10 for me too.

On 2021-01-08 10:29, Gene wrote:
I don't know what accounts for the behavior you are describing.  Is it possible that this changed in Windows 10?  Possible, but its hard to believe that these commands would have changed going back as far as Windows 95 and probably farther.

If others verify the change, then it will appear that a change was made in Windows 10.  Perhaps others will discuss the question.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi Gene

Well I’m using Windows 10 with NVDA 2020.3 and it clearly announces “not selected” after each file name as I use Control+Shift+DownArrow to move through the list of files immediately after opening File Explorer. Similarly, if I select the first file then use Control+Shift+DownArrow, subsequent files are selected.



Had Chris known how the command works, he could have achieved what he wanted to do, so to say it’s the “wrong command” is unreasonable, particularly as you should know by now that in Windows, there are many ways to achieve the same thing.  I was giving added value to the subject of file selection as yourself and others have done, just think of it as another tool in the box.



Cheers

Chris





From: Gene
Sent: 07 January 2021 16:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files





Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists. it is the

wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never

used in moving in a list in general.

When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not

selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or

unselected.



Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move. If an

item is selected, selected is not spoken.  If an item isn't selected,

unselected is spoken.  At least that is the case with NVDA.  These movement

commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands. Windows has no

purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.



Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files







Hi



It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.

Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus

and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent

presses of the command.  When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the

top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of

Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files.  Had Control+Spacebar

been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would

also have been selected.  This functionality makes it a more ergonomic

command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select

command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting

non-contiguous blocks of files.







Cheers



Chris















From: Gene

Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files











It’s the wrong command.  In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just



use shift.







Gene



----Original Message-----


From: Christopher Gray



Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM



To: nvda@groups.io



Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files















Hello:















When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more



files, nothing is selected.  I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my



keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail.  Any



thoughts here?















Many thanks.















Chris













































































Re: On Intentionally Marking Any Groups.io Message as Spam - DON'T #adminnotice

Arlene
 

I do that as well. Some of the NVDA mail goes to the spam folder. I use Gmail because then I don’t have to change my e-mail address all the time. Gmail I won’t have to do it after I change isps.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: January 7, 2021 3:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] On Intentionally Marking Any Groups.io Message as Spam - DON'T #adminnotice

 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 02:00 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

While I always move them to my inbox, it seems that 90% of the time, those messages still end up in my spam
folder.

-
If they are from an e-mail list service, regardless of the individual user's chosen e-mail service provider, then I'd advise you to whitelist that e-mail list service domain/address.  I can't tell you exactly how to do this because it's directly dependent on what email client or webmail you're using.  Virtually all have a whitelisting mechanism.

Generally providers eventually learn if you keep unmarking them as spam (which is what moving to an inbox from spam most often does, but if you have an unmark as spam mechanism use it, as that will definitely do both) but there are some who do not, and whitelisting overrides whatever automatic spam marking they might have done.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 

 


Re: On Intentionally Marking Any Groups.io Message as Spam - DON'T #adminnotice

 

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 02:00 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
While I always move them to my inbox, it seems that 90% of the time, those messages still end up in my spam
folder.
-
If they are from an e-mail list service, regardless of the individual user's chosen e-mail service provider, then I'd advise you to whitelist that e-mail list service domain/address.  I can't tell you exactly how to do this because it's directly dependent on what email client or webmail you're using.  Virtually all have a whitelisting mechanism.

Generally providers eventually learn if you keep unmarking them as spam (which is what moving to an inbox from spam most often does, but if you have an unmark as spam mechanism use it, as that will definitely do both) but there are some who do not, and whitelisting overrides whatever automatic spam marking they might have done.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Selecting Files vs. Selecting Directories

Gene
 

I never use the treeview, which are you using? I'm discussing a list view. A list is a list, whether the list consists of folders, which you are calling directories, files, or both in the same list. These are standard list commands and they will work the same, regardless of whether the list consists of files, folders, or both. I'll let others who work with treeviews in this way discuss them.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Gray
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files vs. Selecting Directories



First, many thanks for this discussion. It has been helpful.



I did use “Selecting Files” in my original subject. But, I probably was of base in doing this. What I am actually trying to do is select groups of directories. I did not view this as any different than selecting a file but perhaps I am wrong in this. So, is selecting directories needing a different set of commands?



Thanks and sorry for not being clearer.



Chris







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 3:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files





Hi Gene

Well I’m using Windows 10 with NVDA 2020.3 and it clearly announces “not selected” after each file name as I use Control+Shift+DownArrow to move through the list of files immediately after opening File Explorer. Similarly, if I select the first file then use Control+Shift+DownArrow, subsequent files are selected.



Had Chris known how the command works, he could have achieved what he wanted to do, so to say it’s the “wrong command” is unreasonable, particularly as you should know by now that in Windows, there are many ways to achieve the same thing. I was giving added value to the subject of file selection as yourself and others have done, just think of it as another tool in the box.



Cheers

Chris





From: Gene
Sent: 07 January 2021 16:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files





Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists. it is the

wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never

used in moving in a list in general.

When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not

selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or

unselected.



Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move. If an

item is selected, selected is not spoken. If an item isn't selected,

unselected is spoken. At least that is the case with NVDA. These movement

commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands. Windows has no

purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Mullins

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files







Hi



It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.

Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus

and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent

presses of the command. When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the

top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of

Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files. Had Control+Spacebar

been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would

also have been selected. This functionality makes it a more ergonomic

command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select

command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting

non-contiguous blocks of files.







Cheers



Chris















From: Gene

Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files











It’s the wrong command. In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just



use shift.







Gene



----Original Message-----



From: Christopher Gray



Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM



To: nvda@groups.io



Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files















Hello:















When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more



files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my



keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any



thoughts here?















Many thanks.















Chris


Re: Selecting Files

Gene
 

I don't know what accounts for the behavior you are describing. Is it possible that this changed in Windows 10? Possible, but its hard to believe that these commands would have changed going back as far as Windows 95 and probably farther.

If others verify the change, then it will appear that a change was made in Windows 10. Perhaps others will discuss the question.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi Gene

Well I’m using Windows 10 with NVDA 2020.3 and it clearly announces “not selected” after each file name as I use Control+Shift+DownArrow to move through the list of files immediately after opening File Explorer. Similarly, if I select the first file then use Control+Shift+DownArrow, subsequent files are selected.



Had Chris known how the command works, he could have achieved what he wanted to do, so to say it’s the “wrong command” is unreasonable, particularly as you should know by now that in Windows, there are many ways to achieve the same thing. I was giving added value to the subject of file selection as yourself and others have done, just think of it as another tool in the box.



Cheers

Chris





From: Gene
Sent: 07 January 2021 16:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files





Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists. it is the

wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never

used in moving in a list in general.

When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not

selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or

unselected.



Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move. If an

item is selected, selected is not spoken. If an item isn't selected,

unselected is spoken. At least that is the case with NVDA. These movement

commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands. Windows has no

purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Mullins

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files







Hi



It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.

Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus

and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent

presses of the command. When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the

top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of

Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files. Had Control+Spacebar

been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would

also have been selected. This functionality makes it a more ergonomic

command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select

command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting

non-contiguous blocks of files.







Cheers



Chris















From: Gene

Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files











It’s the wrong command. In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just



use shift.







Gene



----Original Message-----



From: Christopher Gray



Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM



To: nvda@groups.io



Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files















Hello:















When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more



files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my



keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any



thoughts here?















Many thanks.















Chris


Re: Selecting files

Sascha Cowley
 

Yes. Use Ctrl and the arrow keys to navigate the list without altering the selection. NVDA will announce "not selected" for all files that are not selected.

On 2021-01-08 09:32, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hello all,

�

I understand the commands to use when selecting files, but I have not been able to figure out how to verify that the files I have chosen are in fact selected. Is there such a command in NVDA?

�

Thanks,


Selecting files

Janet Brandly
 

Hello all,

 

I understand the commands to use when selecting files, but I have not been able to figure out how to verify that the files I have chosen are in fact selected. Is there such a command in NVDA?

 

Thanks,


Re: Selecting Files vs. Selecting Directories

Jackie
 

Chris, you'd be far better using ctrl + spacebar to select files &
ctrl + up/down arrow to navigate the list.

On 1/7/21, Christopher Gray <chris@qgpremium.com> wrote:
First, many thanks for this discussion. It has been helpful.



I did use “Selecting Files” in my original subject. But, I probably was of
base in doing this. What I am actually trying to do is select groups of
directories. I did not view this as any different than selecting a file but
perhaps I am wrong in this. So, is selecting directories needing a
different set of commands?



Thanks and sorry for not being clearer.



Chris





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 3:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi Gene

Well I’m using Windows 10 with NVDA 2020.3 and it clearly announces “not
selected” after each file name as I use Control+Shift+DownArrow to move
through the list of files immediately after opening File Explorer.
Similarly, if I select the first file then use Control+Shift+DownArrow,
subsequent files are selected.



Had Chris known how the command works, he could have achieved what he wanted
to do, so to say it’s the “wrong command” is unreasonable, particularly as
you should know by now that in Windows, there are many ways to achieve the
same thing. I was giving added value to the subject of file selection as
yourself and others have done, just think of it as another tool in the box.



Cheers

Chris



From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>
Sent: 07 January 2021 16:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists. it is the

wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never


used in moving in a list in general.

When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not

selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or

unselected.



Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move. If an

item is selected, selected is not spoken. If an item isn't selected,

unselected is spoken. At least that is the case with NVDA. These movement


commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands. Windows has no

purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Mullins

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files







Hi



It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.

Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus

and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent

presses of the command. When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the


top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of


Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files. Had Control+Spacebar

been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would


also have been selected. This functionality makes it a more ergonomic

command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select

command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting

non-contiguous blocks of files.







Cheers



Chris















From: Gene

Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files











It’s the wrong command. In a list, when you are selecting using shift,
just



use shift.







Gene



----Original Message-----



From: Christopher Gray



Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM



To: nvda@groups.io <mailto:nvda@groups.io>



Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files















Hello:















When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more



files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my



keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any



thoughts here?















Many thanks.















Chris










































































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Re: Selecting Files vs. Selecting Directories

Christopher Gray
 

First, many thanks for this discussion.  It has been helpful. 

 

I did use “Selecting Files” in my original subject.  But, I probably was of base in doing this.  What I am actually trying to do is select groups of directories.  I did not view this as any different than selecting a file but perhaps I am wrong in this.  So, is selecting directories needing a different set of commands?

 

Thanks and sorry for not being clearer.

 

Chris

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 3:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

Hi Gene

Well I’m using Windows 10 with NVDA 2020.3 and it clearly announces “not selected” after each file name as I use Control+Shift+DownArrow to move through the list of files immediately after opening File Explorer.  Similarly, if I select the first file then use Control+Shift+DownArrow, subsequent files are selected.

 

Had Chris known how the command works, he could have achieved what he wanted to do, so to say it’s the “wrong command” is unreasonable, particularly as you should know by now that in Windows, there are many ways to achieve the same thing.  I was giving added value to the subject of file selection as yourself and others have done, just think of it as another tool in the box.

 

Cheers

Chris     

 

From: Gene
Sent: 07 January 2021 16:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists.  it is the

wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never

used in moving in a list in general.

When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not

selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or

unselected.

 

Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move.  If an

item is selected, selected is not spoken.  If an item isn't selected,

unselected is spoken.  At least that is the case with NVDA.  These movement

commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands.  Windows has no

purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Mullins

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

 

 

Hi

 

It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.

Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus

and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent

presses of the command.  When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the

top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of

Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files.  Had Control+Spacebar

been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would

also have been selected.  This functionality makes it a more ergonomic

command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select

command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting

non-contiguous blocks of files.

 

 

 

Cheers

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

 

 

 

 

It’s the wrong command.  In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just

 

use shift.

 

 

 

Gene

 

----Original Message-----

 

From: Christopher Gray

 

Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM

 

To: nvda@groups.io

 

Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more

 

files, nothing is selected.  I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my

 

keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail.  Any

 

thoughts here?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Many thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Selecting Files

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Gene

Well I’m using Windows 10 with NVDA 2020.3 and it clearly announces “not selected” after each file name as I use Control+Shift+DownArrow to move through the list of files immediately after opening File Explorer.  Similarly, if I select the first file then use Control+Shift+DownArrow, subsequent files are selected.

 

Had Chris known how the command works, he could have achieved what he wanted to do, so to say it’s the “wrong command” is unreasonable, particularly as you should know by now that in Windows, there are many ways to achieve the same thing.  I was giving added value to the subject of file selection as yourself and others have done, just think of it as another tool in the box.

 

Cheers

Chris     

 

From: Gene
Sent: 07 January 2021 16:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists.  it is the

wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never

used in moving in a list in general.

When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not

selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or

unselected.

 

Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move.  If an

item is selected, selected is not spoken.  If an item isn't selected,

unselected is spoken.  At least that is the case with NVDA.  These movement

commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands.  Windows has no

purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.

 

Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Mullins

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

 

 

Hi

 

It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.

Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus

and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent

presses of the command.  When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the

top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of

Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files.  Had Control+Spacebar

been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would

also have been selected.  This functionality makes it a more ergonomic

command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select

command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting

non-contiguous blocks of files.

 

 

 

Cheers

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: Gene

Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

 

 

 

 

It’s the wrong command.  In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just

 

use shift.

 

 

 

Gene

 

----Original Message-----

 

From: Christopher Gray

 

Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM

 

To: nvda@groups.io

 

Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hello:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more

 

files, nothing is selected.  I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my

 

keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail.  Any

 

thoughts here?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Many thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: On Intentionally Marking Any Groups.io Message as Spam - DON'T #adminnotice

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Shaun,
You are absolutely right. While it hasn't happened to me on this
group, another list I'm on has a couple members who post from Yahoo
and iCloud email addresses. While I always move them to my inbox, it
seems that 90% of the time, those messages still end up in my spam
folder.

On 1/6/21, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't mark messzages myself, I go through and unmark messages as spam,
all I was saying is that some filters look for words which could be.

Its hard to know what will trigger the filter and I have noticed its not
going to do it constantly.

I have had messages marked as spam then more from the same poster not
marked but this hardly happens at least with gmail so the filters are
getting better.



On 7/01/2021 6:00 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
Shaun,

           Please, for the love of heaven, pay attention to what I,
and others, write.

           I anonymized the message, but it's almost certain that
someone who is a member of this group used the mark as spam option of
their webmail or email client.  No one should, under any
circumstances, for any message, ever do that for a message that they
have received from a service they subscribed to. Unsubscribe, or mute
the topic, but do NOT mark it spam.

            I suggest you read up on Email Feedback Loops
<https://duckduckgo.com/?q=email+feedback+loop> and the havoc they
can, and do, wreak.  I would like to prevent that for our members,
thanks very much. Your contention about marking something as spam
often enough is just fine, if the thing is actually spam.  But if it
isn't, that's another story.  No message from groups.io is spam
because you asked for it, directly, by subscribing.
--

Brian -Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of
disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel






Re: Selecting Files

Gene
 

Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists. it is the wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never used in moving in a list in general.
When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or unselected.

Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move. If an item is selected, selected is not spoken. If an item isn't selected, unselected is spoken. At least that is the case with NVDA. These movement commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands. Windows has no purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files



Hi

It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works. Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent presses of the command. When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files. Had Control+Spacebar been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would also have been selected. This functionality makes it a more ergonomic command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting non-contiguous blocks of files.



Cheers

Chris







From: Gene
Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files





It’s the wrong command. In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just

use shift.



Gene

----Original Message-----

From: Christopher Gray

Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files







Hello:







When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more

files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my

keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any

thoughts here?







Many thanks.







Chris


Re: Selecting Files

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.  Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent presses of the command.  When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files.  Had Control+Spacebar been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would also have been selected.  This functionality makes it a more ergonomic command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting non-contiguous blocks of files.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

 

From: Gene
Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

It’s the wrong command.  In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just

use shift.

 

Gene

----Original Message-----

From: Christopher Gray

Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files

 

 

 

Hello:

 

 

 

When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more

files, nothing is selected.  I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my

keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail.  Any

thoughts here?

 

 

 

Many thanks.

 

 

 

Chris

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: On Intentionally Marking Any Groups.io Message as Spam - DON'T #adminnotice

 

I don't mark messzages myself, I go through and unmark messages as spam, all I was saying is that some filters look for words which could be.

Its hard to know what will trigger the filter and I have noticed its not going to do it constantly.

I have had messages marked as spam then more from the same poster not marked but this hardly happens at least with gmail so the filters are getting better.



On 7/01/2021 6:00 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
Shaun,

           Please, for the love of heaven, pay attention to what I, and others, write.

           I anonymized the message, but it's almost certain that someone who is a member of this group used the mark as spam option of their webmail or email client.  No one should, under any circumstances, for any message, ever do that for a message that they have received from a service they subscribed to.  Unsubscribe, or mute the topic, but do NOT mark it spam.

            I suggest you read up on Email Feedback Loops and the havoc they can, and do, wreak.  I would like to prevent that for our members, thanks very much.  Your contention about marking something as spam often enough is just fine, if the thing is actually spam.  But if it isn't, that's another story.  No message from groups.io is spam because you asked for it, directly, by subscribing.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: On Intentionally Marking Any Groups.io Message as Spam - DON'T #adminnotice

 

Shaun,

           Please, for the love of heaven, pay attention to what I, and others, write.

           I anonymized the message, but it's almost certain that someone who is a member of this group used the mark as spam option of their webmail or email client.  No one should, under any circumstances, for any message, ever do that for a message that they have received from a service they subscribed to.  Unsubscribe, or mute the topic, but do NOT mark it spam.

            I suggest you read up on Email Feedback Loops and the havoc they can, and do, wreak.  I would like to prevent that for our members, thanks very much.  Your contention about marking something as spam often enough is just fine, if the thing is actually spam.  But if it isn't, that's another story.  No message from groups.io is spam because you asked for it, directly, by subscribing.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: On Intentionally Marking Any Groups.io Message as Spam - DON'T #adminnotice

 

Well itt may be some certain words.

Even google marks some of these messages as spam from time to time.

I always clear the junk folders daily and check.

Mark a message as spam enough times or not and google should train itself.



On 7/01/2021 3:26 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
Hello All,

Before I begin, let me say clearly that I do understand that it is possible that an e-mail service provider may mark a Groups.io message as spam incorrectly, and when this happens, I implore you to contact your provider and tell them that they need to stop doing so.  No Groups.io message can be spam, by definition, because you must subscribe to receive it.  No subscription-only messages can be spam, because spam is unsolicited and unwanted email.  So if that's happened, let them know that's not OK.

Now, on to the central point, which is about a member of any Groups.io actually marking a message as spam/junk because they don't like the content, are bored with a long topic, or similar:  DON'T DO IT.  When you mark a message, any message, as spam, this is not just dumping it in to the spam folder in your e-mail client, but starts a feedback cascade where that information is shared with your e-mail service provider and where that message is added for possible inclusion for spam matching criteria, and these get shared among email services.  If only a few people report a Groups.io message (or that from any other subscription service) as spam in rapid succession, it can end up in all messages from that service being blocked by multiple email providers.

Groups.io gives you the ability to exquisitely control the messages you receive, and if you want to stop content for a single topic use the Mute this Topic option to do that.

The above is triggered because I, as a member of group administration, received the following message from Groups.io:
----
Subscriber was removed for marking a message as spam

This is to notify you that xxx@... has been unsubscribed from your group nvda@nvda.groups.io because message Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read was marked as spam. Note that this may have been done by their email service provider, not by the individual member personally. They've been given a link that lets them quickly resubscribe, in case this was an error.

If you have any questions, please visit our help center.

----

You will often end up being unsubscribed from a group if you mark any message as spam, because anyone getting messages should know that the only way they should be getting them is because they chose to subscribe.

So, please, do not ever intentionally mark a message from Groups.io or any subscription-only email service as spam, and if your email service does this automatically, please contact their support and tell them to remove Groups.io from their spam blacklist, since anyone must subscribe to get any Groups.io message.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


On Intentionally Marking Any Groups.io Message as Spam - DON'T #adminnotice

 

Hello All,

Before I begin, let me say clearly that I do understand that it is possible that an e-mail service provider may mark a Groups.io message as spam incorrectly, and when this happens, I implore you to contact your provider and tell them that they need to stop doing so.  No Groups.io message can be spam, by definition, because you must subscribe to receive it.  No subscription-only messages can be spam, because spam is unsolicited and unwanted email.  So if that's happened, let them know that's not OK.

Now, on to the central point, which is about a member of any Groups.io actually marking a message as spam/junk because they don't like the content, are bored with a long topic, or similar:  DON'T DO IT.  When you mark a message, any message, as spam, this is not just dumping it in to the spam folder in your e-mail client, but starts a feedback cascade where that information is shared with your e-mail service provider and where that message is added for possible inclusion for spam matching criteria, and these get shared among email services.  If only a few people report a Groups.io message (or that from any other subscription service) as spam in rapid succession, it can end up in all messages from that service being blocked by multiple email providers.

Groups.io gives you the ability to exquisitely control the messages you receive, and if you want to stop content for a single topic use the Mute this Topic option to do that.

The above is triggered because I, as a member of group administration, received the following message from Groups.io:
----
Subscriber was removed for marking a message as spam

This is to notify you that xxx@... has been unsubscribed from your group nvda@nvda.groups.io because message Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read was marked as spam. Note that this may have been done by their email service provider, not by the individual member personally. They've been given a link that lets them quickly resubscribe, in case this was an error.

If you have any questions, please visit our help center.

----

You will often end up being unsubscribed from a group if you mark any message as spam, because anyone getting messages should know that the only way they should be getting them is because they chose to subscribe.

So, please, do not ever intentionally mark a message from Groups.io or any subscription-only email service as spam, and if your email service does this automatically, please contact their support and tell them to remove Groups.io from their spam blacklist, since anyone must subscribe to get any Groups.io message.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 

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