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Using NVDA and Number Pad on laptop

Brian Williams
 

Hi all, I have recently been using a very low-cost laptop which had only the basic keys. I have just moved to a higher spec model which has a compact NumPad. The keyboard doesn’t have a home or end key and I am struggling to work out which key combinations to use using NumPad to move to the beginning of text, beginning of line, and vice versa end of text and end of line. It seems like every laptop, even different models of the same make, seem to have a different keyboard layout. Is it better to have the FN key activated or deactivated when using NVDA in combination with any of the keys? Sorry for so many questions but I’m totally confused. Thanks for your help, hopefully.
Brian


Re: beta 3 and closing programs

Don H
 

I have uninstalled the beta 3 and gone back to NVDA 2020-3 and the issue is resolved with no new email announcements coming with thunderbird closed. Would appear that the beta is the issue.

On 1/9/2021 9:06 AM, Gene wrote:
Perhaps the beta is announcing information from elsewhere.  Try closing Thunderbird while the beta is running.  Then switch to an earlier version. See if you hear announcements in the earlier version.  That will help determine if the beta is not allowing part of the program to close properly or if it is getting information from somewhere else.
Gene
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs
I can't specifically say this is a beta 3 issue but only started
happening after installing NVDA 2020-4 beta 3.
I am using the latest version of Win 10 and Thunderbird.  After using
Thunderbird I use alt f4 to close the program.  It appears that
thunderbird closes as it should.  I have thunderbird set to announce new
mail.  The strange thing is that with Thunderbird not open I still get
announcements of new Email which tells me that Thunderbird was not
closed properly when using alt f4 to close it.  Thunderbird is not
showing in the system tray or on the task bar when these announcements
are announced and I must open Thunderbird by using the icon on the desktop.


Re: beta 3 and closing programs

Gene
 

Perhaps the beta is announcing information from elsewhere. Try closing Thunderbird while the beta is running. Then switch to an earlier version. See if you hear announcements in the earlier version. That will help determine if the beta is not allowing part of the program to close properly or if it is getting information from somewhere else.

Gene
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs

I can't specifically say this is a beta 3 issue but only started
happening after installing NVDA 2020-4 beta 3.
I am using the latest version of Win 10 and Thunderbird. After using
Thunderbird I use alt f4 to close the program. It appears that
thunderbird closes as it should. I have thunderbird set to announce new
mail. The strange thing is that with Thunderbird not open I still get
announcements of new Email which tells me that Thunderbird was not
closed properly when using alt f4 to close it. Thunderbird is not
showing in the system tray or on the task bar when these announcements
are announced and I must open Thunderbird by using the icon on the desktop.


Re: outlook rebooting itself when messages contain some sort of graphics

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

I can confirm this rebooting problem while arrowing mails with some special graphics in their signitures. The sayAll works in those mails, but reading with the arrow-keys reboots outlook.

I think it is triggert by a twitter graphic, but that needs to be confirmed.

 

Cheers,

  ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Samstag, 9. Januar 2021 00:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] outlook rebooting itself when messages contain some sort of graphics

 

Hi guys:

 

Am not sure if this issue is exclusive to nvda or not but,

It seems when I read messages using nvda in outlook,

When nvda encounters a graphic within the message,

outlook reboots itself;

 

any ideas?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


beta 3 and closing programs

Don H
 

I can't specifically say this is a beta 3 issue but only started happening after installing NVDA 2020-4 beta 3.
I am using the latest version of Win 10 and Thunderbird. After using Thunderbird I use alt f4 to close the program. It appears that thunderbird closes as it should. I have thunderbird set to announce new mail. The strange thing is that with Thunderbird not open I still get announcements of new Email which tells me that Thunderbird was not closed properly when using alt f4 to close it. Thunderbird is not showing in the system tray or on the task bar when these announcements are announced and I must open Thunderbird by using the icon on the desktop.


nvda beta 3 returning to desktop

Don H
 

Prior to installing the nvda 2020-4 beta 3 when I closed a program nvda would announce desktop and speak the name of the icon it landed on. With the beta 3 when you close a program thus returning to the desktop NVDA says nothing.


Re: Question regarding a function of resource monitor addon

Gene
 

It means the amount of time the system has been running since your last reboot or restart. I would think if you put the system in sleep or hibernate, that is counted as uptime, since you haven't shut it down or restarted it, but I've never checked nor seen that discussed. Someone else should be able to tell you definitely.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Vaibhav Bhandari
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 12:58 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Question regarding a function of resource monitor addon

Hi all,
I have been using the resource monitor addon for a while but I can't
understand what is the meaning of system's uptime and how or when does
it restart?

--
Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari


Re: nvda accessibility with calibre:

Dan Miner
 

I just downloaded the latest 5.9.0 and the add-on. It does have some tricky spots in my quick check. However, the main UI and the quick guide viewed in the built-in book viewer does work. The book viewer is going to dump a paragraph at a time when using line navigation. Also, you will have to use object navigation to reach the pages to read them (NVDA+keypad 2 for desktop layout). But in the past, these were my barriers from using it. I may try using it again just for this reason.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2021 6:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda accessibility with calibre:

hi.
thanks for your reply.
which version of calibre is accessible with screen reader?
i did not find informations about supporting screen readers in their website.

On 1/8/21, Patrick Le Baudour <p.lebaudour@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, last time I tried, it was a pain, but since then an add-on has
been
developped: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/calibre.en.html
i haven't tried it, as i only use calibre's ebook conversion tool in
command line, so i can't tell how much it improves things, but since
it's here I assume it makes it at least bearable.

-- Patrick
Le 08/01/2021 à 13:26, zahra a écrit :
hello every one.
did you test calibre with nvda?
is it accessible?
calibre is an opensource program for studying ebooks.
thanks and God bless you.





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Question regarding a function of resource monitor addon

Vaibhav Bhandari
 

Hi all,
I have been using the resource monitor addon for a while but I can't
understand what is the meaning of system's uptime and how or when does
it restart?

--
Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari


Re: any idea what's happening here?

Luke Davis
 

I mean no offense Zahra, and I am sorry for your experience, but if this was under Windows XP: please know that nothing I say should ever be taken to apply to Windows XP unless specifically stated that it does. I have no idea what the tool was capable of doing, good or ill, in that environment. I have never used or trouble shot NVDA on Windows XP, and do not pretend to give advice about it.

Luke

On Fri, 8 Jan 2021, zahra wrote:

hello luke.
about com registration fixing tool, one time i tested it when i did
not have any problem in my firefox.
nvda stopped working in firefox completely!


Re: SPSS and NVDA

William
 

Thanks.

The tricky situation is that, if I do data analysis myself, I can do it through python, pandas and numpy etc.

But my workrequire me to use SPSS to communicate with my boss and other responsible workmates


Brian Vogel 於 9/1/2021 8:04 寫道:

I'm just curious if using the SPSS Command Line interface has been considered?  It's been years since I last used SPSS, but this page at IBM suggests that the "old school" way of feeding SPSS commands and data is still possible.

See:  

Command line options - IBM

and Command line options - IBM

and https://libguides.library.kent.edu/SPSS/Syntax 

It's how I ran SPSS way, way, way back when.

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Re: SPSS and NVDA

 

I'm just curious if using the SPSS Command Line interface has been considered?  It's been years since I last used SPSS, but this page at IBM suggests that the "old school" way of feeding SPSS commands and data is still possible.

See:  

Command line options - IBM

and Command line options - IBM

and https://libguides.library.kent.edu/SPSS/Syntax 

It's how I ran SPSS way, way, way back when.

--

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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: SPSS and NVDA

William
 

Umm... I dont know how to comment.

So far I have just tested to navigate all the ui elements.

And I can say that, NVDA is not fully accessible or partially accessible.

1.

In side the table data area, in some cells, it seemed that after entering things longer than 5 units, NVDAwill produce an error sound and the cell is forced to finish editing

2.

Some pop up window like alert of saving the project, although NVDA can read out the window at first, but pressing tab at first did not access any ui element.

I have to use nvda / to move the mouse to the spss window, then press / to symulate left mouse click, then nvda is able to access the ui again.


I have not tested any functions at this moment, I am still waiting one of my friend to instruct me how to do some basic data preparation and data analysis task.


Rowen Cary 於 8/1/2021 14:29 寫道:

What is the result of your try? Can NVDA be used with SPSS?


outlook rebooting itself when messages contain some sort of graphics

mike mcglashon
 

Hi guys:

 

Am not sure if this issue is exclusive to nvda or not but,

It seems when I read messages using nvda in outlook,

When nvda encounters a graphic within the message,

outlook reboots itself;

 

any ideas?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


Re: Selecting Files vs. Selecting Directories

Christopher Gray
 

Hi:

Ok, my issue is resolved and thanks to everybody who contributed. I now much more appreciate treeview vs. listview since treeview was one of the two roots of my problem. Also, thanks for the assistance in exactly how to select and not select items. I sincerely appreciate the advice.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christopher Gray
Sent: Friday, January 08, 2021 2:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files vs. Selecting Directories

Gene and All:

I have mostly used treeview, but the behavior does not change in listview.

On my PC running Windows 10, Select just doesn't work. Only in listview can I select files. I cannot select folders anywhere.

Chris



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 5:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files vs. Selecting Directories

I never use the treeview, which are you using? I'm discussing a list view.
A list is a list, whether the list consists of folders, which you are calling directories, files, or both in the same list. These are standard list commands and they will work the same, regardless of whether the list consists of files, folders, or both. I'll let others who work with treeviews in this way discuss them.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Gray
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files vs. Selecting Directories



First, many thanks for this discussion. It has been helpful.



I did use “Selecting Files” in my original subject. But, I probably was of base in doing this. What I am actually trying to do is select groups of directories. I did not view this as any different than selecting a file but perhaps I am wrong in this. So, is selecting directories needing a different set of commands?



Thanks and sorry for not being clearer.



Chris







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 3:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files





Hi Gene

Well I’m using Windows 10 with NVDA 2020.3 and it clearly announces “not selected” after each file name as I use Control+Shift+DownArrow to move through the list of files immediately after opening File Explorer.
Similarly, if I select the first file then use Control+Shift+DownArrow, subsequent files are selected.



Had Chris known how the command works, he could have achieved what he wanted to do, so to say it’s the “wrong command” is unreasonable, particularly as you should know by now that in Windows, there are many ways to achieve the same thing. I was giving added value to the subject of file selection as yourself and others have done, just think of it as another tool in the box.



Cheers

Chris





From: Gene
Sent: 07 January 2021 16:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files





Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists. it is the

wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never

used in moving in a list in general.

When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not

selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or

unselected.



Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move. If an

item is selected, selected is not spoken. If an item isn't selected,

unselected is spoken. At least that is the case with NVDA. These movement

commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands. Windows has no

purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Mullins

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files







Hi



It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.

Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in
Control+shift+focus

and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent

presses of the command. When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the

top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of

Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files. Had Control+Spacebar

been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would

also have been selected. This functionality makes it a more ergonomic

command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select

command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting

non-contiguous blocks of files.







Cheers



Chris















From: Gene

Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files











It’s the wrong command. In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just



use shift.







Gene



----Original Message-----



From: Christopher Gray



Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM



To: nvda@groups.io



Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files















Hello:















When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more



files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my



keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any



thoughts here?















Many thanks.















Chris


Re: NVDA OCR

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Hi there,

OCR will attempt to recognize whatever has NVDA focus. So to work with one of your image files, first open the file and then activate OCR to attempt to get the text from it. Once OCR finishes you will automatically be in the text viewer where you can use the arrow keys and other standard keys to review the text, just like in notepad or any other text area.
You can hold down shift while using the cursor keys to select text, just like in a text editor, and you can copy this to the clipboard so you can paste it elsewhere.
You can also hit the enter key on any word in the recognized text and this will simulate a mouse click on the underlying image. This is very useful for applications that are not otherwise accessible to screen readers.

Hope this helps get you started,
Luke

On Jan 8, 2021, at 6:39 AM, Sue J. Ward <groovy41@juno.com> wrote:

 Hello. I was wondering is the documentation for the OCR section in NVDA will be updated in the next version of NVDA cause I did download a couple of attachments they are JPG files and I did save them in the documents folder since am on a windows 10 machine with everything up to date. When I go to the file in the list of files when I land on that file was wondering should I open up the file then do the command nvda plus R, cause I do a nvda plus r command it says recognizing results and a second later it says done. Where do they go after the stuff has been recognized? When I do tab around I don't see another window open up displaying the results. Where do I go from here? Any help would be great. I hope in the next version of Nvda it will explain it in more detail. When I did it with Jaws it did a much better job, it sure would be nice if NVDA could do something similar.
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Re: how to solve captcha problems?

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Hi there,
Most of the time there should be a “get audio challenge” link where you can listen to the challenge and type it into the box below. Some of them even detect screen readers now so all you have to do is activate the checkbox that says you are not a robot. Hope that helps.

On Jan 8, 2021, at 7:09 AM, Afik Souffir <afik.souffir@...> wrote:



 

Hi,

 

I'm using Edge and Chrome, and I have some sites I need, but they have captcha for the identification process, or even lost password process.

 

What can I do to solve it?

 

Thanks!

Afik

 

 


Re: Selecting Files vs. Selecting Directories

Christopher Gray
 

Gene and All:

I have mostly used treeview, but the behavior does not change in listview.

On my PC running Windows 10, Select just doesn't work. Only in listview can I select files. I cannot select folders anywhere.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 5:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files vs. Selecting Directories

I never use the treeview, which are you using? I'm discussing a list view.
A list is a list, whether the list consists of folders, which you are calling directories, files, or both in the same list. These are standard list commands and they will work the same, regardless of whether the list consists of files, folders, or both. I'll let others who work with treeviews in this way discuss them.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Christopher Gray
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files vs. Selecting Directories



First, many thanks for this discussion. It has been helpful.



I did use “Selecting Files” in my original subject. But, I probably was of
base in doing this. What I am actually trying to do is select groups of
directories. I did not view this as any different than selecting a file but
perhaps I am wrong in this. So, is selecting directories needing a
different set of commands?



Thanks and sorry for not being clearer.



Chris







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 3:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files





Hi Gene

Well I’m using Windows 10 with NVDA 2020.3 and it clearly announces “not
selected” after each file name as I use Control+Shift+DownArrow to move
through the list of files immediately after opening File Explorer.
Similarly, if I select the first file then use Control+Shift+DownArrow,
subsequent files are selected.



Had Chris known how the command works, he could have achieved what he wanted
to do, so to say it’s the “wrong command” is unreasonable, particularly as
you should know by now that in Windows, there are many ways to achieve the
same thing. I was giving added value to the subject of file selection as
yourself and others have done, just think of it as another tool in the box.



Cheers

Chris





From: Gene
Sent: 07 January 2021 16:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files





Control shift down arrow is never used in moving through lists. it is the

wrong command to use for the purpose originally asked about and it is never

used in moving in a list in general.

When I use it with NVDA, I can move down the list but the selected or not

selected status of an item is not spoken and nothing is either selected or

unselected.



Control down arrow will tell you the status of items as you move. If an

item is selected, selected is not spoken. If an item isn't selected,

unselected is spoken. At least that is the case with NVDA. These movement

commands are Windows commands, not screen-reader commands. Windows has no

purpose or function for control shift when moving through a list.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Chris Mullins

Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 10:40 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files







Hi



It’s not the wrong command, you just need to understand how it works.

Control+shift+Down Arrow checks the selection status of the file in focus

and applies the same selection status to files traversed by subsequent

presses of the command. When you first enter File Explorer, focus is on the

top file of the list but the file is not selected, so subsequent presses of

Control+Shift+Down Arrow did not select any files. Had Control+Spacebar

been pressed first to select the top file, subsequent files traversed would

also have been selected. This functionality makes it a more ergonomic

command to use than the Control+DownArrow and Control+Spacebar to select

command combination in situations where you are mostly selecting

non-contiguous blocks of files.







Cheers



Chris















From: Gene

Sent: 06 January 2021 23:35

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Selecting Files











It’s the wrong command. In a list, when you are selecting using shift, just



use shift.







Gene



----Original Message-----



From: Christopher Gray



Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2021 4:44 PM



To: nvda@groups.io



Subject: [nvda] Selecting Files















Hello:















When I use ctrl+shft+downarrow or ctrl+shft+downarrow to select one or more



files, nothing is selected. I have tried changing scroll lock, testing my



keyboard under Windows 10 and other MS suggestions but to no avail. Any



thoughts here?















Many thanks.















Chris


Re: Descending tones no longer play

Laz
 

I've found that when those descending tones are missing when I shut
down or restart NVDA it's time to press the Windows plus b key
combination and press enter on any extraneous NVDA listings.
Apparently something stops NVDA from closing properly and it remains
semicomatose. I've had as many as six in there after restarting NVDA
several times with one of them being the workingh one; all the others
go away after pressing enter on them.

Laz

On 1/8/21, Damien Garwood <damien@daygar.plus.com> wrote:
Hi Roger,
I don't think that's an NVDA issue. If it's anything like mine, the
audio driver is disengaging before NVDA has a chance to play the sound.
That's either a Windows or audio driver issue.
Cheers,
Damien.

On 08/01/2021 06:07 pm, Roger Stewart wrote:
I've been noticing that lately the descending tones indicating that nvda
is closing no longer are heard when closing Windows. They still play if
I either manually restart or shut down nvda so that is all good. Maybe
it's something Windows changed in an update or something. Just wondering
if anyone else has noticed this as well.

Roger










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NVDA 2020 beta 3

Don H
 

Running the latest beta of NVDA on a Win 10 20h2 system and using Word 2016.
If you select something on a web page and copy it to the clipboard NVDA says copied to clip board and repeats what has been written to the clipboard. If you open a document in Word 2016 and select something in the document and copy it to the clipboard NVDA only says copied and does not repeat what has been copied. Is this the way this is supposed to work?

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