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Re: Using NVDA and Number Pad on laptop

Gene
 

When I bought my phone, I had the salesperson tell me what keys did what, aside from the number keys, of course. When I bought my laptop, I had the salesperson tell me about keys that aren't in the places they are on a standard keyboard. You simply can't live in the world with no sighted help.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 11:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA and Number Pad on laptop

Brian,

Your computer does, as I suspected, have a Home and a Delete key, and these are immediately above the backspace key, the Delete is the one to the left and the Home to the right, but these also appear to be assigned as media keys, which will need to be disabled.

As much as I suspect I am going to be excoriated for saying this: Sometimes there is absolutely no substitute for sight, and getting the "lay of the land" for an unfamiliar keyboard is one of those times. You can spend days to weeks trying to guess what a sighted assistant can tell you in mere moments. It makes sense to engage someone, very briefly, to let you know "where they've squeezed things" when you're dealing with a compact keyboard where the layout is definitely different than the keyboards on most laptops 15 inch and above in size. It appears that Acer is using a slightly squeezed keyboard on the 15 inch series, as the 14 inch has no number pad.

Here is a download link for the User Manual for the Aspire serie: https://global-download.acer.com/GDFiles/Document/User%20Manual/User%20Manual_Acer_1.0_A_A.pdf?acerid=637275362518627296&Step1=NOTEBOOK&Step2=ASPIRE&Step3=ASPIRE%20A314-22&OS=ALL&LC=en&BC=ACER&SC=PA_6

Page 18 of the manual clearly indicates that BIOS/UEFI needs to be tweaked to turn off the hotkey functions and have them behave as typical function keys. Unless that is done, you must press the Fn key plus the given function key for it to behave as the function key. Once turned off, the situation flip-flops, where Fn plus the given function key will behave as the hotkey, but a press of the function key acts as the function key itself.
--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel


Re: beta 3 and closing programs (Using Powershell)

Richard Bartholomew
 

The following will list all processes running on Windows 10:

 

Get-process

 

If you want to pipe the output to a text file, enter:

 

Get-process >c:\documents\PSOutput.txt

 

Substituting your own path and filename, of course.

 

If you want to see all processes starting with, say, out (as in Outlook), enter:

 

Get-process -name “out*”

 

If you want to kill the Outlook process, enter:

 

stop-process -name outlook

 

You can put Powershell commands into a batch or command file by prefixing the above with the word powershell.

 

To enter Powershell, select it from the context menu brought up with Windows Key+X or type powershell from a command prompt.

 

HTH

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 09 January 2021 16:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs

 

I won't say that NVDA is not at play here, because it could be, but ALT+F4 is not an NVDA command, and not tied to NVDA in any way.  It's a Windows command that the program window with focus when it's issued responds to.  If Thunderbird continues to be "hanging about" with something running in the background, probabilities are that it's not NVDA causing this.

I have asked on a tech geek group specifically for professional techs I haunt whether there is a handy PowerShell and/or Command Prompt command or pipe sequence that would allow someone to zero in on whether a process or cluster of processes of a given name are running.  It is my understanding that both Task Manager and Process Monitor are, while not strictly speaking inaccessible, not exactly anywhere near to easy to use with a screen reader.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Using NVDA and Number Pad on laptop

Brian Williams
 

Ryan to Brian, thank you very much. You’ve been extremely helpful. I will download the manual and bury myself in it. We get so used to a particular laptop layout and what actions do what, it becomes muscle memory. Get a new one and you have to start again. Thanks again and happy New Year.

On 9 Jan 2021, at 5:32 pm, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Brian,

Your computer does, as I suspected, have a Home and a Delete key, and these are immediately above the backspace key, the Delete is the one to the left and the Home to the right, but these also appear to be assigned as media keys, which will need to be disabled.

As much as I suspect I am going to be excoriated for saying this:  Sometimes there is absolutely no substitute for sight, and getting the "lay of the land" for an unfamiliar keyboard is one of those times.  You can spend days to weeks trying to guess what a sighted assistant can tell you in mere moments.  It makes sense to engage someone, very briefly, to let you know "where they've squeezed things" when you're dealing with a compact keyboard where the layout is definitely different than the keyboards on most laptops 15 inch and above in size.  It appears that Acer is using a slightly squeezed keyboard on the 15 inch series, as the 14 inch has no number pad.

Here is a download link for the User Manual for the Aspire serie:  https://global-download.acer.com/GDFiles/Document/User%20Manual/User%20Manual_Acer_1.0_A_A.pdf?acerid=637275362518627296&Step1=NOTEBOOK&Step2=ASPIRE&Step3=ASPIRE%20A314-22&OS=ALL&LC=en&BC=ACER&SC=PA_6 

Page 18 of the manual clearly indicates that BIOS/UEFI needs to be tweaked to turn off the hotkey functions and have them behave as typical function keys.  Unless that is done, you must press the Fn key plus the given function key for it to behave as the function key.  Once turned off, the situation flip-flops, where Fn plus the given function key will behave as the hotkey, but a press of the function key acts as the function key itself.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question regarding a function of resource monitor addon

Vaibhav Bhandari
 

Hi Joseph,
I restarted my computer again and this time it did return to zero.

On 1/9/21, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
If you are using Windows 8 or later, my guess is that fast startup is at
play here. Can you confirm that uptime goes back to zero days after
restarting your PC?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaibhav
Bhandari
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 7:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question regarding a function of resource monitor addon

Hi Gene,
Even I used to think this but my uptime currently is at around thirty days
and I am sure that I did shut down my PC this month. I don't understand how
can this happen.

On 1/9/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It means the amount of time the system has been running since your
last reboot or restart. I would think if you put the system in sleep
or hibernate, that is counted as uptime, since you haven't shut it
down or restarted it, but I've never checked nor seen that discussed.
Someone else should be able to tell you definitely.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vaibhav Bhandari
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 12:58 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Question regarding a function of resource monitor
addon

Hi all,
I have been using the resource monitor addon for a while but I can't
understand what is the meaning of system's uptime and how or when does
it restart?

--
Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari










--
Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari










--
Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari


Re: Using NVDA and Number Pad on laptop

 

Brian,

Your computer does, as I suspected, have a Home and a Delete key, and these are immediately above the backspace key, the Delete is the one to the left and the Home to the right, but these also appear to be assigned as media keys, which will need to be disabled.

As much as I suspect I am going to be excoriated for saying this:  Sometimes there is absolutely no substitute for sight, and getting the "lay of the land" for an unfamiliar keyboard is one of those times.  You can spend days to weeks trying to guess what a sighted assistant can tell you in mere moments.  It makes sense to engage someone, very briefly, to let you know "where they've squeezed things" when you're dealing with a compact keyboard where the layout is definitely different than the keyboards on most laptops 15 inch and above in size.  It appears that Acer is using a slightly squeezed keyboard on the 15 inch series, as the 14 inch has no number pad.

Here is a download link for the User Manual for the Aspire serie:  https://global-download.acer.com/GDFiles/Document/User%20Manual/User%20Manual_Acer_1.0_A_A.pdf?acerid=637275362518627296&Step1=NOTEBOOK&Step2=ASPIRE&Step3=ASPIRE%20A314-22&OS=ALL&LC=en&BC=ACER&SC=PA_6 

Page 18 of the manual clearly indicates that BIOS/UEFI needs to be tweaked to turn off the hotkey functions and have them behave as typical function keys.  Unless that is done, you must press the Fn key plus the given function key for it to behave as the function key.  Once turned off, the situation flip-flops, where Fn plus the given function key will behave as the hotkey, but a press of the function key acts as the function key itself.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Question regarding a function of resource monitor addon

 

Hi,
If you are using Windows 8 or later, my guess is that fast startup is at play here. Can you confirm that uptime goes back to zero days after restarting your PC?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaibhav Bhandari
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 7:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question regarding a function of resource monitor addon

Hi Gene,
Even I used to think this but my uptime currently is at around thirty days and I am sure that I did shut down my PC this month. I don't understand how can this happen.

On 1/9/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It means the amount of time the system has been running since your
last reboot or restart. I would think if you put the system in sleep
or hibernate, that is counted as uptime, since you haven't shut it
down or restarted it, but I've never checked nor seen that discussed.
Someone else should be able to tell you definitely.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vaibhav Bhandari
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 12:58 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Question regarding a function of resource monitor
addon

Hi all,
I have been using the resource monitor addon for a while but I can't
understand what is the meaning of system's uptime and how or when does
it restart?

--
Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari










--
Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari


Re: Using NVDA and Number Pad on laptop

Brian Williams
 

Hi Brian, thanks for your help. It’s in Acer aspire three if that’s of any help. It has a compact number pad on the right hand side of the keyboard.

On 9 Jan 2021, at 3:27 pm, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Having the exact make and model would be helpful.

As a general statement, you want your function keys to act as function keys if you are a screen reader user, so if they have any sort of "media keys" feature enabled by default it should be disabled via whatever method your particular machine requires.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: beta 3 and closing programs

 

I won't say that NVDA is not at play here, because it could be, but ALT+F4 is not an NVDA command, and not tied to NVDA in any way.  It's a Windows command that the program window with focus when it's issued responds to.  If Thunderbird continues to be "hanging about" with something running in the background, probabilities are that it's not NVDA causing this.

I have asked on a tech geek group specifically for professional techs I haunt whether there is a handy PowerShell and/or Command Prompt command or pipe sequence that would allow someone to zero in on whether a process or cluster of processes of a given name are running.  It is my understanding that both Task Manager and Process Monitor are, while not strictly speaking inaccessible, not exactly anywhere near to easy to use with a screen reader.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: beta 3 and closing programs

Gene
 

I meant Thunderbird.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs

I don't have outlook installed on my computer. I am using the latest
version of Thunderbird as my Email client. Thunderbird is the only
Email client I have installed and use.

On 1/9/2021 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:
Did you close Outlook While the beta was installed, then install an earlier version and not Open outlook before doing so or after for a time? that is the test I had in mind.

Gene
.
-----Original Message----- From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs

I have uninstalled the beta 3 and gone back to NVDA 2020-3 and the issue
is resolved with no new email announcements coming with thunderbird
closed. Would appear that the beta is the issue.

On 1/9/2021 9:06 AM, Gene wrote:
Perhaps the beta is announcing information from elsewhere. Try closing Thunderbird while the beta is running. Then switch to an earlier version. See if you hear announcements in the earlier version. That will help determine if the beta is not allowing part of the program to close properly or if it is getting information from somewhere else.

Gene
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs

I can't specifically say this is a beta 3 issue but only started
happening after installing NVDA 2020-4 beta 3.
I am using the latest version of Win 10 and Thunderbird. After using
Thunderbird I use alt f4 to close the program. It appears that
thunderbird closes as it should. I have thunderbird set to announce new
mail. The strange thing is that with Thunderbird not open I still get
announcements of new Email which tells me that Thunderbird was not
closed properly when using alt f4 to close it. Thunderbird is not
showing in the system tray or on the task bar when these announcements
are announced and I must open Thunderbird by using the icon on the desktop.




















Re: beta 3 and closing programs

Don H
 

I don't have outlook installed on my computer. I am using the latest version of Thunderbird as my Email client. Thunderbird is the only Email client I have installed and use.

On 1/9/2021 9:27 AM, Gene wrote:
Did you close Outlook While the beta was installed, then install an earlier version and not Open outlook before doing so or after for a time?  that is the test I had in mind.
Gene
.
-----Original Message----- From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs
I have uninstalled the beta 3 and gone back to NVDA 2020-3 and the issue
is resolved with no new email announcements coming with thunderbird
closed.  Would appear that the beta is the issue.
On 1/9/2021 9:06 AM, Gene wrote:
Perhaps the beta is announcing information from elsewhere.  Try closing Thunderbird while the beta is running.  Then switch to an earlier version. See if you hear announcements in the earlier version.  That will help determine if the beta is not allowing part of the program to close properly or if it is getting information from somewhere else.

Gene
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs

I can't specifically say this is a beta 3 issue but only started
happening after installing NVDA 2020-4 beta 3.
I am using the latest version of Win 10 and Thunderbird.  After using
Thunderbird I use alt f4 to close the program.  It appears that
thunderbird closes as it should.  I have thunderbird set to announce new
mail.  The strange thing is that with Thunderbird not open I still get
announcements of new Email which tells me that Thunderbird was not
closed properly when using alt f4 to close it.  Thunderbird is not
showing in the system tray or on the task bar when these announcements
are announced and I must open Thunderbird by using the icon on the desktop.











Re: Using NVDA and Number Pad on laptop

 

Having the exact make and model would be helpful.

As a general statement, you want your function keys to act as function keys if you are a screen reader user, so if they have any sort of "media keys" feature enabled by default it should be disabled via whatever method your particular machine requires.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: beta 3 and closing programs

Gene
 

Did you close Outlook While the beta was installed, then install an earlier version and not Open outlook before doing so or after for a time? that is the test I had in mind.

Gene
.

-----Original Message-----
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 9:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs

I have uninstalled the beta 3 and gone back to NVDA 2020-3 and the issue
is resolved with no new email announcements coming with thunderbird
closed. Would appear that the beta is the issue.

On 1/9/2021 9:06 AM, Gene wrote:
Perhaps the beta is announcing information from elsewhere. Try closing Thunderbird while the beta is running. Then switch to an earlier version. See if you hear announcements in the earlier version. That will help determine if the beta is not allowing part of the program to close properly or if it is getting information from somewhere else.

Gene
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs

I can't specifically say this is a beta 3 issue but only started
happening after installing NVDA 2020-4 beta 3.
I am using the latest version of Win 10 and Thunderbird. After using
Thunderbird I use alt f4 to close the program. It appears that
thunderbird closes as it should. I have thunderbird set to announce new
mail. The strange thing is that with Thunderbird not open I still get
announcements of new Email which tells me that Thunderbird was not
closed properly when using alt f4 to close it. Thunderbird is not
showing in the system tray or on the task bar when these announcements
are announced and I must open Thunderbird by using the icon on the desktop.











Re: NVDA ile wamp server programını nasıl kullanabilirim | How can I use wamp server program with NVDA?

 

Moderators Note:  Although we have no "official group language" the lingua franca here is English, and you are far more likely to get responses to queries made in English.

I have added Google Translate results to the subject line and message in hopes that your question might get answered more quickly.  I would suggest you do the same moving forward.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


NVDA ile wamp server programını nasıl kullanabilirim | How can I use wamp server program with NVDA?

mertyakistirr@...
 

Original Message:
WAMP server programının son sürümünü NVDA'nın son sürümü ile kullanamıyorum Windows'un bildirim sekmesindeki WAMP server ayarları bölümünü bir türlü okumuyor NVDA'nın bazı beta sürümleri okuyor ancak NVDA'nın son sürümü okuyamıyor Jaws programı ve NVDA ile beraber okutabiliyorum ancak sadece NVDA ile okumuyor.

Google Translate Translation:
I cannot use the latest version of the WAMP server program with the latest version of NVDA. It does not read the WAMP server settings section in the notification tab of Windows, some beta versions of NVDA are read, but it cannot read the latest version of NVDA. I can read it with the Jaws program and NVDA, but not only with NVDA .


Re: Question regarding a function of resource monitor addon

Vaibhav Bhandari
 

Hi Gene,
Even I used to think this but my uptime currently is at around thirty
days and I am sure that I did shut down my PC this month. I don't
understand how can this happen.

On 1/9/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It means the amount of time the system has been running since your last
reboot or restart. I would think if you put the system in sleep or
hibernate, that is counted as uptime, since you haven't shut it down or
restarted it, but I've never checked nor seen that discussed. Someone else
should be able to tell you definitely.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vaibhav Bhandari
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 12:58 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Question regarding a function of resource monitor addon

Hi all,
I have been using the resource monitor addon for a while but I can't
understand what is the meaning of system's uptime and how or when does
it restart?

--
Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari









--
Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari


Using NVDA and Number Pad on laptop

Brian Williams
 

Hi all, I have recently been using a very low-cost laptop which had only the basic keys. I have just moved to a higher spec model which has a compact NumPad. The keyboard doesn’t have a home or end key and I am struggling to work out which key combinations to use using NumPad to move to the beginning of text, beginning of line, and vice versa end of text and end of line. It seems like every laptop, even different models of the same make, seem to have a different keyboard layout. Is it better to have the FN key activated or deactivated when using NVDA in combination with any of the keys? Sorry for so many questions but I’m totally confused. Thanks for your help, hopefully.
Brian


Re: beta 3 and closing programs

Don H
 

I have uninstalled the beta 3 and gone back to NVDA 2020-3 and the issue is resolved with no new email announcements coming with thunderbird closed. Would appear that the beta is the issue.

On 1/9/2021 9:06 AM, Gene wrote:
Perhaps the beta is announcing information from elsewhere.  Try closing Thunderbird while the beta is running.  Then switch to an earlier version. See if you hear announcements in the earlier version.  That will help determine if the beta is not allowing part of the program to close properly or if it is getting information from somewhere else.
Gene
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs
I can't specifically say this is a beta 3 issue but only started
happening after installing NVDA 2020-4 beta 3.
I am using the latest version of Win 10 and Thunderbird.  After using
Thunderbird I use alt f4 to close the program.  It appears that
thunderbird closes as it should.  I have thunderbird set to announce new
mail.  The strange thing is that with Thunderbird not open I still get
announcements of new Email which tells me that Thunderbird was not
closed properly when using alt f4 to close it.  Thunderbird is not
showing in the system tray or on the task bar when these announcements
are announced and I must open Thunderbird by using the icon on the desktop.


Re: beta 3 and closing programs

Gene
 

Perhaps the beta is announcing information from elsewhere. Try closing Thunderbird while the beta is running. Then switch to an earlier version. See if you hear announcements in the earlier version. That will help determine if the beta is not allowing part of the program to close properly or if it is getting information from somewhere else.

Gene
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs

I can't specifically say this is a beta 3 issue but only started
happening after installing NVDA 2020-4 beta 3.
I am using the latest version of Win 10 and Thunderbird. After using
Thunderbird I use alt f4 to close the program. It appears that
thunderbird closes as it should. I have thunderbird set to announce new
mail. The strange thing is that with Thunderbird not open I still get
announcements of new Email which tells me that Thunderbird was not
closed properly when using alt f4 to close it. Thunderbird is not
showing in the system tray or on the task bar when these announcements
are announced and I must open Thunderbird by using the icon on the desktop.


Re: outlook rebooting itself when messages contain some sort of graphics

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

I can confirm this rebooting problem while arrowing mails with some special graphics in their signitures. The sayAll works in those mails, but reading with the arrow-keys reboots outlook.

I think it is triggert by a twitter graphic, but that needs to be confirmed.

 

Cheers,

  ralf

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Samstag, 9. Januar 2021 00:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] outlook rebooting itself when messages contain some sort of graphics

 

Hi guys:

 

Am not sure if this issue is exclusive to nvda or not but,

It seems when I read messages using nvda in outlook,

When nvda encounters a graphic within the message,

outlook reboots itself;

 

any ideas?

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 


beta 3 and closing programs

Don H
 

I can't specifically say this is a beta 3 issue but only started happening after installing NVDA 2020-4 beta 3.
I am using the latest version of Win 10 and Thunderbird. After using Thunderbird I use alt f4 to close the program. It appears that thunderbird closes as it should. I have thunderbird set to announce new mail. The strange thing is that with Thunderbird not open I still get announcements of new Email which tells me that Thunderbird was not closed properly when using alt f4 to close it. Thunderbird is not showing in the system tray or on the task bar when these announcements are announced and I must open Thunderbird by using the icon on the desktop.

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