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Re: Double Tone

 

Hi,

Typical errors can include, but are not limited to:

  • Python specific errors such as inability to load a module, syntax errors with either NVDA or an add-on, errors associated with data structures such as key/index/value error exceptions, resource error such as inability to open a URL.
  • Errors from external modules, either wxWidgets/wxPython or something else.
  • Recently, garbage handler messages while managing resources.

When an error tone is heard, as Tyler noted, pressing NVDA+F1 will open the log viewer, from where you can scroll up to read the last error associated with the tone (technically a traceback). We (developers) need the complete traceback from the last error to determine what’s going on so we can either resolve it from NVDA side or reported to add-on authors (in case of my add-ons, I can guarantee a fix in minutes once I identify a possible cause and test a fix live; I use alpha builds for this purpose, and I try my best to make my add-ons error-free as much as possible before NVDA betas are released).

Cheers,

joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 3:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Double Tone

 

I really wish I knew "what sort of error."  Ninety-nine times out of one hundred I can see absolutely no difference from typical behavior, so it's unclear what's been identified as being off.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Double Tone

 

I really wish I knew "what sort of error."  Ninety-nine times out of one hundred I can see absolutely no difference from typical behavior, so it's unclear what's been identified as being off.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Double Tone

 

Hi,

Specifically, to help you report bugs to developers easily, as these tones indicate some sort of error.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Double Tone

 

You've actually answered your own question, kinda, sorta.  The only time I have had those double-tones is when I'm running a beta version, once something goes to the release candidate or actual release version those disappear.

I have to believe this is an intentional design element so that one knows that a beta is in use.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Double Tone

Gene
 

The tones indicate an error of some sort. The tones are enabled on betas so users are aware of when errors occur. They are disabled in production releases. Most of the time, such program errors don't affect the functioning of the program.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 5:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Double Tone

You've actually answered your own question, kinda, sorta. The only time I have had those double-tones is when I'm running a beta version, once something goes to the release candidate or actual release version those disappear.

I have to believe this is an intentional design element so that one knows that a beta is in use.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel


Re: Double Tone

Tyler Spivey
 

That's the error tone. If you look in the log viewer after it plays, you'll see what happened.

On 1/9/2021 3:25 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
You've actually answered your own question, kinda, sorta.  The only time I have had those double-tones is when I'm running a beta version, once something goes to the release candidate or actual release version those disappear.
I have to believe this is an intentional design element so that one knows that a beta is in use.
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Brian -Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.
       ~ Brian Vogel


Re: Double Tone

 

You've actually answered your own question, kinda, sorta.  The only time I have had those double-tones is when I'm running a beta version, once something goes to the release candidate or actual release version those disappear.

I have to believe this is an intentional design element so that one knows that a beta is in use.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Double Tone

Chris Smart
 

You mean the descending tritone, a piano sound that plays 5th octave C then 4th octave F-sharp?

On 2021-01-09 6:15 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
What is this double tone thingy which has appeared on my system since the introduction of the betas?

Andrea





Double Tone

Andrea Sherry
 

What is this double tone thingy which has appeared on my system since the introduction of the betas?

Andrea


control click with nvda?

mslion
 

Good day all,
How can I control mouse click with nvda? I this particular case I have
to control left click. How is this possible with hotkeys?

With kind regards,
Mitchel Snel


Re: Tony's add-ons: new and updated

Chris Smart
 

Hi Tony.


Thanks for these!


from a relatively new NVDA user.


Chris


Tony's add-ons: new and updated

Tony Malykh
 

Hello all,

This is Tony, author of many NVDA add-ons. During holidays I updated many of my add-ons, and wrote two new add-ons, so I would like to share them with you guys. This is a long email, so please feel free to navigate by headings!

Please note that links on the official website have not been updated, as it seems that nobody has access to that website anymore. Therefore, please download directly from Github, download links included below.

 

New add-ons:

WordNav

It takes word navigation to the next level in NVDA. It standardizes what exactly does word mean, e.g. does it include punctuation before and after, moreover, it offers various definitions of word, some of which might be useful for software developers, for example when they are working with camelCaseIdentifiers. It redefines Control+Left/Right keystrokes, as well as it adds optional Control+Windows+Left/Right keystrokes. Configuration panel included!

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-word-nav/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-word-nav/releases/download/v1.2/wordNav-1.2.nvda-addon

 

Console toolkit

This is a collection of tools for heavy console users. Among its features are:

·       More realtime speaking of console output

·       * Beep on update

·       Control+V shortcut now works in ssh connections

·       Editing of current prompt in accessible window

·       Capturing command output, including multi-page, and displaying it in an accessible window

 

Please note, it supports the default Windows console, a.k.a. command prompt, as well as windows PowerShell.

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-console-toolkit/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-console-toolkit/releases/download/v0.2dev/consoleToolkit-0.2dev.nvda-addon

 

Updates

SentenceNav

This add-on allows to read text sentence by sentence using Alt+Up/Down keystroke. I managed to improve its performance a lot, now it reads sentences much faster, especially in large paragraphs. I also added experimental support for Microsoft Word and WordPad – before this version built-in NVDA logic applied to sentence navigation in these programs, and many users have complained about that. Also, a number of bugfixes. Also I wrote extensive documentation, since sentence finding code has become so complicated, even I myself is having a hard time reading my own code after a couple of years since first release 😊

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/releases/download/v2.9/SentenceNav-2.9.nvda-addon

BrowserNav

BrowserNav contains a set of improvements to browse mode in NVDA. Besides a number of bugfixes, this new version includes command to jump to next text written in different style (bound to tilde, that weird key right above Tab), and a command to scroll down to reveal all the hidden content, bound to backslash. That last command might be useful for websites, that load content dynamically. This includes Youtube, that doesn’t load the entire page and expects users to scroll down to reveal certain elements, and also so called infinite scroll webpages, such as Amazon and Facebook.

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/releases/download/v1.12/browsernav-1.12.nvda-addon

Tony’s enhancements

This add-on is an incubator for my experimental ideas, yet I believe many of them might be quite handy for many users. In particular, this time WordNav and Console toolkit mentioned above have graduated from this incubator. 😊 Among new features that I added are QuickSearch command, that allows to quickly find predefined text or regular expression in text files. I personally find it useful for editing markdown, because you can set the regular expression to search for next/previous heading, and also for programming. Another new feature allows to set system priority for NVDA process – this might improve responsiveness of NVDA, especially when CPU load is high.

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/releases/download/v1.8/tonysEnhancements-1.8.nvda-addon

Other

NVDA Symbols

This is not an add-on, but rather a comprehensive (more or less) table of unicode characters with their proper English names. In particular, it includes math symbols (the ones that are not defined in NVDA), Greek letters, technical symbols, various arrows, etc. If you’re Greek, you would probably want to exclude Greek letters from this dictionary. If you speak CJK languages, you would probably want to exclude fixed-width punctuation page from that dictionary. This table would need to be added manually to your symbols.dic file in NVDA user config directory.

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-symbols/

·       Download: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mltony/nvda-symbols/main/final.dic

 

Let me know what you think!

Belated happy new year!

--Tony

 


tablet question

Charlotte
 

Hello. I am considering purchasing a Windows tablet. I have a desktop PC but with my small business it would be great to be able to use the Windows platform that I am familiar with when I am out and about versus having to manipulate apps on my phone. Can anyone recommend a Windows tablet that supports NVDA and has a decent amount of ram and processing power? Any info is appreciated. Thanks.

Charlotte aka Mama Otter


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Re: beta 3 and closing programs (Using Powershell)

 

Just FYI, just like you can create command prompt scripts in batch files, that are simply text files that have the extension .bat, you can do the same for PowerShell commands.  The extension for a PowerShell batch file is .ps1

If you activate either a .bat or .ps1 file, it will run.  So if you use these extensions, and want to edit the file later, you must gain focus on it, bring up the context menu, and choose Edit from it.

I've seen people (including myself) get burned by double-clicking/activating .bat or .ps1 files because doing either of those things for most other file extensions will open the editor for same.  Not so for these two.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Using NVDA and Number Pad on laptop

 

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 03:04 PM, Gene wrote:
You simply can't live in the world with no sighted help.
-
Well, you probably could, but you'd have to be a masochist to be an absolutist about it!  ;-)

I've always said that it's all about getting the job done in the most efficient way, and sometimes that means engaging assistance (whether you're blind, fully sighted, or somewhere in between).
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Reducing the reading speed of NVDA

 

Before I answer your question, I want to make you aware of one of the handiest commands for a new NVDA user when it comes to finding the keyboard shortcuts used to control the vast majority of "commonly used" features:   NVDA+N,H,Q  (which is INS+N,H,Q in desktop keyboard layout) will cause the Commands Quick Reference to open in your default web browser.  The question you're asking is about one of the common features/tweaks, and the keyboard shortcuts for changing the reading rate, is found there under Synth Settings Ring, copied here:

Synth settings ring

Name Desktop key Laptop key Description
Move to next synth setting NVDA+control+rightArrow NVDA+shift+control+rightArrow Moves to the next available speech setting after the current, wrapping around to the first setting again after the last
Move to previous synth setting NVDA+control+leftArrow NVDA+shift+control+leftArrow Moves to the next available speech setting before the current, wrapping around to the last setting after the first
Increment current synth setting NVDA+control+upArrow NVDA+shift+control+upArrow increases the current speech setting you are on. E.g. increases the rate, chooses the next voice, increases the volume
Decrement current synth setting NVDA+control+downArrow NVDA+shift+control+downArrow decreases the current speech setting you are on. E.g. decreases the rate, chooses the previous voice, decreases the volume

You'd have to get yourself to the speech rate for your chosen synth using one or the other of the first two commands, then increment/increase or decrement/decrease the rate using the third and fourth commands, respectively.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Reducing the reading speed of NVDA

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Open settings and go down to speech, then press tab until you here
"rate" then use your left and right arrows to adjust it to your
liking.

On 1/9/21, Shyam M. Sayanekar <sayanekar@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear members, I am a new member from India and a beginner of using NVDA.
Please explain how to reduce the reading speed of NVDA,  as the default
speed is very high and I cannot understand what it reads.
Thanking you.






Reducing the reading speed of NVDA

Shyam M. Sayanekar <sayanekar@...>
 

Dear members, I am a new member from India and a beginner of using NVDA. Please explain how to reduce the reading speed of NVDA,  as the default speed is very high and I cannot understand what it reads. 
Thanking you.


Re: outlook rebooting itself when messages contain some sort of graphics

Bob Cavanaugh
 

I was having the same issue with messages from Groupon, in fact that
was the main reason I joined this list, and never intended to stay
this long. Below is the solution that Quenton provided me that stopped
the crashing problem for me.
"Another setting which may make a difference, is an advanced setting:

1. Press NVDA+control+g to open NVDA's general settings.
2. Press CONTROL+SHIFT+TAB to move to the last tab
3. Press SPACEBAR to check that you acknowledge the warning.
4. Press TAB until you get to "Use UI Automation to access Microsoft
Word Document Controls when available".
5. Press SPACEBAR to toggle that
6. Press ENTER to close settings."

On 1/9/21, Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@elra-consulting.de> wrote:
I can confirm this rebooting problem while arrowing mails with some special
graphics in their signitures. The sayAll
works in those mails, but reading with the arrow-keys reboots outlook.

I think it is triggert by a twitter graphic, but that needs to be
confirmed.



Cheers,

ralf



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of mike mcglashon
Sent: Samstag, 9. Januar 2021 00:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] outlook rebooting itself when messages contain some sort of
graphics



Hi guys:



Am not sure if this issue is exclusive to nvda or not but,

It seems when I read messages using nvda in outlook,

When nvda encounters a graphic within the message,

outlook reboots itself;



any ideas?



Please advise as you like.



Mike M.



Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net <mailto:Michael.mcglashon@comcast.net>


Ph: 618 783 9331











Re: Question regarding a function of resource monitor addon

Gene
 

You probably used the restart command which is a full reboot. If quick start is enabled, when you shut down, then boot the machine, the machine hasn't been completely shut down.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Vaibhav Bhandari
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 11:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question regarding a function of resource monitor addon

Hi Joseph,
I restarted my computer again and this time it did return to zero.

On 1/9/21, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
If you are using Windows 8 or later, my guess is that fast startup is at
play here. Can you confirm that uptime goes back to zero days after
restarting your PC?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaibhav
Bhandari
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 7:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question regarding a function of resource monitor addon

Hi Gene,
Even I used to think this but my uptime currently is at around thirty days
and I am sure that I did shut down my PC this month. I don't understand how
can this happen.

On 1/9/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It means the amount of time the system has been running since your
last reboot or restart. I would think if you put the system in sleep
or hibernate, that is counted as uptime, since you haven't shut it
down or restarted it, but I've never checked nor seen that discussed.
Someone else should be able to tell you definitely.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vaibhav Bhandari
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 12:58 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Question regarding a function of resource monitor
addon

Hi all,
I have been using the resource monitor addon for a while but I can't
understand what is the meaning of system's uptime and how or when does
it restart?

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Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari










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Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari











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Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari


Re: Using NVDA and Number Pad on laptop

Gene
 

When I bought my phone, I had the salesperson tell me what keys did what, aside from the number keys, of course. When I bought my laptop, I had the salesperson tell me about keys that aren't in the places they are on a standard keyboard. You simply can't live in the world with no sighted help.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 11:32 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA and Number Pad on laptop

Brian,

Your computer does, as I suspected, have a Home and a Delete key, and these are immediately above the backspace key, the Delete is the one to the left and the Home to the right, but these also appear to be assigned as media keys, which will need to be disabled.

As much as I suspect I am going to be excoriated for saying this: Sometimes there is absolutely no substitute for sight, and getting the "lay of the land" for an unfamiliar keyboard is one of those times. You can spend days to weeks trying to guess what a sighted assistant can tell you in mere moments. It makes sense to engage someone, very briefly, to let you know "where they've squeezed things" when you're dealing with a compact keyboard where the layout is definitely different than the keyboards on most laptops 15 inch and above in size. It appears that Acer is using a slightly squeezed keyboard on the 15 inch series, as the 14 inch has no number pad.

Here is a download link for the User Manual for the Aspire serie: https://global-download.acer.com/GDFiles/Document/User%20Manual/User%20Manual_Acer_1.0_A_A.pdf?acerid=637275362518627296&Step1=NOTEBOOK&Step2=ASPIRE&Step3=ASPIRE%20A314-22&OS=ALL&LC=en&BC=ACER&SC=PA_6

Page 18 of the manual clearly indicates that BIOS/UEFI needs to be tweaked to turn off the hotkey functions and have them behave as typical function keys. Unless that is done, you must press the Fn key plus the given function key for it to behave as the function key. Once turned off, the situation flip-flops, where Fn plus the given function key will behave as the hotkey, but a press of the function key acts as the function key itself.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel

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