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Re: Reducing the reading speed of NVDA

Gene
 

The fastest way to open the speech settings dialog is with the command control NVDA key v. When the dialog opens, tab about four times to the rate setting slider. Set it as you wish, then press enter.

If you switch speech rates a lot and you switch them among the same numbers, you might want to figure out a way to do this using something that acts like presets. I haven't looked into the question enough to discuss it in any detail. Perhaps others will.

perhaps there is an add-on that lets you make the equivalent of presets. If not, you can use profiles.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Vaibhav Bhandari
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 8:13 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reducing the reading speed of NVDA

Hi Vaibhav,
If you wish to increase/decrease your speech rate by 1 level you will
need to do it through the settings only.

On 1/10/21, Vaibhav Saraf <vaibhav.s.acc@...> wrote:
Hi Brian,

The voice rate this way increments or decrements by 5 levels. Any way to do
it just by one level without going to settings?

I am a laptop user thus using NVDA + Shift + Ctrl + Up/down arrow.

Thanks,
Vaibhav


On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 at 02:32, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Before I answer your question, I want to make you aware of one of the
handiest commands for a new NVDA user when it comes to finding the
keyboard
shortcuts used to control the vast majority of "commonly used" features:
NVDA+N,H,Q (which is INS+N,H,Q in desktop keyboard layout) will cause
the
Commands Quick Reference to open in your default web browser. The
question
you're asking is about one of the common features/tweaks, and the
keyboard
shortcuts for changing the reading rate, is found there under Synth
Settings Ring, copied here:
Synth settings ring
Name Desktop key Laptop key Description
Move to next synth setting NVDA+control+rightArrow
NVDA+shift+control+rightArrow Moves to the next available speech setting
after the current, wrapping around to the first setting again after the
last
Move to previous synth setting NVDA+control+leftArrow
NVDA+shift+control+leftArrow Moves to the next available speech setting
before the current, wrapping around to the last setting after the first
Increment current synth setting NVDA+control+upArrow
NVDA+shift+control+upArrow increases the current speech setting you are
on. E.g. increases the rate, chooses the next voice, increases the volume
Decrement current synth setting NVDA+control+downArrow
NVDA+shift+control+downArrow decreases the current speech setting you are
on. E.g. decreases the rate, chooses the previous voice, decreases the
volume
You'd have to get yourself to the speech rate for your chosen synth using
one or the other of the first two commands, then increment/increase or
decrement/decrease the rate using the third and fourth commands,
respectively.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of
disapproval
can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel









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Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari
Re: Question regarding a function of resource monitor addon

Vaibhav Bhandari
 

Gene,
Thanks for that info. I have desabled quick startup now and it helped.

On 1/10/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
You probably used the restart command which is a full reboot. If quick
start is enabled, when you shut down, then boot the machine, the machine
hasn't been completely shut down.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vaibhav Bhandari
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 11:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question regarding a function of resource monitor addon

Hi Joseph,
I restarted my computer again and this time it did return to zero.

On 1/9/21, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
Hi,
If you are using Windows 8 or later, my guess is that fast startup is at
play here. Can you confirm that uptime goes back to zero days after
restarting your PC?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaibhav
Bhandari
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 7:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Question regarding a function of resource monitor
addon

Hi Gene,
Even I used to think this but my uptime currently is at around thirty
days
and I am sure that I did shut down my PC this month. I don't understand
how
can this happen.

On 1/9/21, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It means the amount of time the system has been running since your
last reboot or restart. I would think if you put the system in sleep
or hibernate, that is counted as uptime, since you haven't shut it
down or restarted it, but I've never checked nor seen that discussed.
Someone else should be able to tell you definitely.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Vaibhav Bhandari
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 12:58 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Question regarding a function of resource monitor
addon

Hi all,
I have been using the resource monitor addon for a while but I can't
understand what is the meaning of system's uptime and how or when does
it restart?

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Re: Reducing the reading speed of NVDA

Vaibhav Bhandari
 

Hi Vaibhav,
If you wish to increase/decrease your speech rate by 1 level you will
need to do it through the settings only.

On 1/10/21, Vaibhav Saraf <vaibhav.s.acc@...> wrote:
Hi Brian,

The voice rate this way increments or decrements by 5 levels. Any way to do
it just by one level without going to settings?

I am a laptop user thus using NVDA + Shift + Ctrl + Up/down arrow.

Thanks,
Vaibhav


On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 at 02:32, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Before I answer your question, I want to make you aware of one of the
handiest commands for a new NVDA user when it comes to finding the
keyboard
shortcuts used to control the vast majority of "commonly used" features:
NVDA+N,H,Q (which is INS+N,H,Q in desktop keyboard layout) will cause
the
Commands Quick Reference to open in your default web browser. The
question
you're asking is about one of the common features/tweaks, and the
keyboard
shortcuts for changing the reading rate, is found there under Synth
Settings Ring, copied here:
Synth settings ring
Name Desktop key Laptop key Description
Move to next synth setting NVDA+control+rightArrow
NVDA+shift+control+rightArrow Moves to the next available speech setting
after the current, wrapping around to the first setting again after the
last
Move to previous synth setting NVDA+control+leftArrow
NVDA+shift+control+leftArrow Moves to the next available speech setting
before the current, wrapping around to the last setting after the first
Increment current synth setting NVDA+control+upArrow
NVDA+shift+control+upArrow increases the current speech setting you are
on. E.g. increases the rate, chooses the next voice, increases the volume
Decrement current synth setting NVDA+control+downArrow
NVDA+shift+control+downArrow decreases the current speech setting you are
on. E.g. decreases the rate, chooses the previous voice, decreases the
volume
You'd have to get yourself to the speech rate for your chosen synth using
one or the other of the first two commands, then increment/increase or
decrement/decrease the rate using the third and fourth commands,
respectively.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of
disapproval
can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel








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Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari
request how to use espeak ng as secondary language.

tilahun muniye
 

Hello
If there is any solution, let me mind you. How can I use espeak NG
with eloquence in NVDA? I tried speak with eloquence in NVDA via dual
voice add on. But espeak can not able to read Amharic punctuation as
espeak ng does. I think because its old version. So, how it is
possible to use eloquence as primary synthesizer for English and
espeak ng as secondary synthesizer for Amharic?

Kind regard.
Re: muting

Gene
 

Do the following:
Issue the command Windows key r. Hold the Windows key and type r.
The run dialog opens.
Type sndvol and press enter.
The Windows volume control dialog will open.
Tab once. You are on the mute speakers button, though it presumably says unmute when the speakers are muted.
Press the space bar. Test with something like NVDA key t to read the title bar to see if you have speech.

Try this when you have speech to make sure things are set up as expected. Don't mute the speakers, in other words tab to see if you land on the button, then when you hear where you are, close the volume control dialog with alt f4. If you unmute sound in this way in the future, once you use space and get sound back, close the dialog with alt f4. There is no ok button and settings changes take immediate effect.

I would advise getting a cheap USB sound card, you can get them for less than 10 American dollars, for emergencies when you lose speech and can't get it back, which is unlikely but which may happen. Using the external sound card will give you speech until you solve the problem, assuming it is solvable by changing settings, which it likely will be. In case the problem is more serious, such as a hardware failure, you will have speech with no interruption in your use of the computer and can continue to use the external sound card.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Neil Campbell
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] muting







Hello Everyone



I am using NVDA with Windows 10 on a desk top computer, and suddenly lost the NVDA voice. I tried to start NVDA again with control alt n which did not work, and also tried to start Windows Narrator which did not work too . I thought I may have muted the sound, so pressed F7 which had no effect. I got the assistance of a sighted person who said that there was a big cross through a speaker on the bottom of the screen which he clicked the mouse on and sound came back. Is there any way I can turn the sound back on myself using quick keystrokes. I have no sight at all.



Neil
muting

Neil Campbell <nrcampbell@...>
 

 

 

Hello Everyone

 

I am using NVDA with Windows 10 on a desk top computer, and suddenly lost the NVDA voice.  I tried to start NVDA again with control alt n which did not work, and also tried to start Windows Narrator which did not work too .  I thought I may have muted the sound, so pressed F7 which had no effect.  I got the assistance of a sighted person who said that there was a big cross through a speaker on the bottom of the screen which he clicked the mouse on and sound came back.  Is there any way I can turn the sound back on myself using quick keystrokes.  I have no sight at all. 

 

Neil

 

 
Re: OCR: Interacting with items from recognized UI

Sascha Cowley
 

Per section 5.7 of the user guide, these are the keyboard commands:

Name

Desktop key

Laptop key

Touch

Description

Left mouse button click

numpadDivide

NVDA+[

none

Clicks the left mouse button once. The common double click can be performed by pressing this key twice in quick succession

Move mouse to current navigator object

NVDA+numpadDivide

NVDA+shift+m

none

Moves the mouse to the location of the current navigator object and review cursor
You can read the OCR result as normal, then, when you are at the item you want, use these shortcuts.
Re: control click with nvda?

mslion
 

hi Brian,
I need to select different items in the first column of a table in chrome. I indeed work on a laptop but when I try to use the leftclick on my touchpad the mouse tends to move by accident and I click on something else.

With kind regards,
Mitchel Snel
Re: OCR: Interacting with items from recognized UI

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Hi Sascha,

I will review that section of the manual, but I just want to make sure it was clear what I was asking about. I know I can initiate a mouse click from the keyboard using the NVDA key and the numpad slash key. I also have the golden cursor ad on so I can move the mouse cursor around, set hot spots etc. I’m still not sure how I can get from the text readout of an OCR recognition result to the screen location of one of the controls it recognized. For example, say I take OCR of an application’s interface and when I’m reviewing the OCR output, one of the items I come across says ”options.” How can I tell NVDA to go to where it found that text on the UI and initiate a mouse click there? Thanks again.

On Jan 9, 2021, at 5:14 PM, Sascha Cowley via groups.io <sascha.camille@...> wrote:

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Looking for USB driver for Pac Mate Omni BX 400 on Windows 10

Dan Miner
 

Someone gave me a 40 cell braille display and it’s quite old but appears functional.  I just can’t get  it talking to my system.  It’s one of those PDA and display with a braille keyboard.  I found a thread in this very mailing list that seems to addressed a very similar model with same problem.  Sadly, the link to the USB driver in Ollie’s DropBox is dead.

 

https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/4507670#15948

 

Anyone have that USB driver or know how to reach someone with it?  It’s impossible to find so far…

 

                Dan
Re: Reducing the reading speed of NVDA

Vaibhav Saraf
 

Hi Brian,

The voice rate this way increments or decrements by 5 levels. Any way to do it just by one level without going to settings?

I am a laptop user thus using NVDA + Shift + Ctrl + Up/down arrow.

Thanks,
Vaibhav


On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 at 02:32, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Before I answer your question, I want to make you aware of one of the handiest commands for a new NVDA user when it comes to finding the keyboard shortcuts used to control the vast majority of "commonly used" features:   NVDA+N,H,Q  (which is INS+N,H,Q in desktop keyboard layout) will cause the Commands Quick Reference to open in your default web browser.  The question you're asking is about one of the common features/tweaks, and the keyboard shortcuts for changing the reading rate, is found there under Synth Settings Ring, copied here:

Synth settings ring

Name Desktop key Laptop key Description
Move to next synth setting NVDA+control+rightArrow NVDA+shift+control+rightArrow Moves to the next available speech setting after the current, wrapping around to the first setting again after the last
Move to previous synth setting NVDA+control+leftArrow NVDA+shift+control+leftArrow Moves to the next available speech setting before the current, wrapping around to the last setting after the first
Increment current synth setting NVDA+control+upArrow NVDA+shift+control+upArrow increases the current speech setting you are on. E.g. increases the rate, chooses the next voice, increases the volume
Decrement current synth setting NVDA+control+downArrow NVDA+shift+control+downArrow decreases the current speech setting you are on. E.g. decreases the rate, chooses the previous voice, decreases the volume

You'd have to get yourself to the speech rate for your chosen synth using one or the other of the first two commands, then increment/increase or decrement/decrease the rate using the third and fourth commands, respectively.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 
Re: Double Tone

Shaun Everiss
 

Joseph, I wander in that case if we should just wrip out nvda logging entirely and use a universal one, either cloud based, or some third party one established.

I never used crash heroe, but maybe we need to use something like that or some other way to handle things.



On 10/01/2021 2:39 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

This will involve patching log handler module, specifically various log handler classes (NVDA uses Python’s logging facility for log output). Another thing to consider is that some users may set log level to “disabled”, in which only a brief startup message will be recorded. In general, patching NVDA’s built-in modules and functions by replacing a class or a function is discouraged as it can introduce headaches (compatibility issues among others; trust me, I went through it painfully recently with Windows 10 App Essentials add-on).

There used to be an add-on named Crash Hero that will be triggered automatically when NVDA restarts after a crash. This add-on will record crash information such as old log file (if it exists). This add-on did not survive Python 3 transition (speaking of NVDA’s logging facility, it took days to move that from 2 to 3 two years ago).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Double Tone

 

As a former programmer, I hesitate to even suggest the following, as it is likely far, far more complicated than the previous descriptions lead me to believe it might be.

But if NVDA is detecting that an error has occurred, and what would be sent to the NVDA developers (or add-on developers), and all of that content comes from the log file working backward from current logged error to the last one to extract what's needed, could this not be automated as a function (or, perhaps) add-on for the beta itself?

Based on what's been described, which I understand may not be comprehensive, grabbing that traceback should be relatively straightforward programatically and would result in far more data for developers than relying on manual reporting would.

[Now, let the explanations about why the above is, in actuality, impractical, begin.  It just can't be this straightforward or someone would have done it.]
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 
Re: Double Tone

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

This will involve patching log handler module, specifically various log handler classes (NVDA uses Python’s logging facility for log output). Another thing to consider is that some users may set log level to “disabled”, in which only a brief startup message will be recorded. In general, patching NVDA’s built-in modules and functions by replacing a class or a function is discouraged as it can introduce headaches (compatibility issues among others; trust me, I went through it painfully recently with Windows 10 App Essentials add-on).

There used to be an add-on named Crash Hero that will be triggered automatically when NVDA restarts after a crash. This add-on will record crash information such as old log file (if it exists). This add-on did not survive Python 3 transition (speaking of NVDA’s logging facility, it took days to move that from 2 to 3 two years ago).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Double Tone

 

As a former programmer, I hesitate to even suggest the following, as it is likely far, far more complicated than the previous descriptions lead me to believe it might be.

But if NVDA is detecting that an error has occurred, and what would be sent to the NVDA developers (or add-on developers), and all of that content comes from the log file working backward from current logged error to the last one to extract what's needed, could this not be automated as a function (or, perhaps) add-on for the beta itself?

Based on what's been described, which I understand may not be comprehensive, grabbing that traceback should be relatively straightforward programatically and would result in far more data for developers than relying on manual reporting would.

[Now, let the explanations about why the above is, in actuality, impractical, begin.  It just can't be this straightforward or someone would have done it.]
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 
Re: Double Tone

Andrea Sherry
 

Thank you.

On 10/01/2021 10:25 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
You've actually answered your own question, kinda, sorta.  The only time I have had those double-tones is when I'm running a beta version, once something goes to the release candidate or actual release version those disappear.

I have to believe this is an intentional design element so that one knows that a beta is in use.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 
Re: Double Tone

Andrea Sherry
 

That's the one.

What is it?

On 10/01/2021 10:25 am, Chris Smart wrote:
You mean the descending tritone, a piano sound that plays 5th octave C then 4th octave F-sharp?



On 2021-01-09 6:15 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
What is this double tone thingy which has appeared on my system since the introduction of the betas?

Andrea
Re: OCR: Interacting with items from recognized UI

Sascha Cowley
 

You can use normal mouse control functions in NVDA to do this. See section 5.7. Navigating with the Mouse of the NVDA user guide.
OCR: Interacting with items from recognized UI

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Hi,

 

For inaccessible UIs I’ll often run NVDA OCR on the UI and then press enter or space bar on the UI controls I find in the recognized text such as tabs, menus and buttons. I find this only works in some programs and other times seems to be ignored. I believe the issue in some cases is that some UIs only respond when an actual mouse is clicked on a control. Is there a way to have the mouse cursor move to the UI element corresponding with its label in the OCR viewer and produce a click on that element? If not, is this something I could submit on GitHub as a feature request? It would make the already helpful OCR feature even more useful.

 

Thanks,

Luke

 
Re: control click with nvda?

Brian Vogel
 

Might I ask several questions:

1.  What, precisely, are you actually attempting to do with CTRL+Click in this instance?

2.  Are you using a desktop?  If so, have you ever considered using a "hobbled mouse" that would allow you to use its buttons while eliminating the pointer movement?

3.  Are you using a laptop, where you likely have direct access to left click already, and could use CTRL+LeftClick without emulation?

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 
Re: Double Tone

Brian Vogel
 

As a former programmer, I hesitate to even suggest the following, as it is likely far, far more complicated than the previous descriptions lead me to believe it might be.

But if NVDA is detecting that an error has occurred, and what would be sent to the NVDA developers (or add-on developers), and all of that content comes from the log file working backward from current logged error to the last one to extract what's needed, could this not be automated as a function (or, perhaps) add-on for the beta itself?

Based on what's been described, which I understand may not be comprehensive, grabbing that traceback should be relatively straightforward programatically and would result in far more data for developers than relying on manual reporting would.

[Now, let the explanations about why the above is, in actuality, impractical, begin.  It just can't be this straightforward or someone would have done it.]
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 
Re: Double Tone

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Typical errors can include, but are not limited to:

  • Python specific errors such as inability to load a module, syntax errors with either NVDA or an add-on, errors associated with data structures such as key/index/value error exceptions, resource error such as inability to open a URL.
  • Errors from external modules, either wxWidgets/wxPython or something else.
  • Recently, garbage handler messages while managing resources.

When an error tone is heard, as Tyler noted, pressing NVDA+F1 will open the log viewer, from where you can scroll up to read the last error associated with the tone (technically a traceback). We (developers) need the complete traceback from the last error to determine what’s going on so we can either resolve it from NVDA side or reported to add-on authors (in case of my add-ons, I can guarantee a fix in minutes once I identify a possible cause and test a fix live; I use alpha builds for this purpose, and I try my best to make my add-ons error-free as much as possible before NVDA betas are released).

Cheers,

joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 3:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Double Tone

 

I really wish I knew "what sort of error."  Ninety-nine times out of one hundred I can see absolutely no difference from typical behavior, so it's unclear what's been identified as being off.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 
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