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Neil Campbell <nrcampbell@...>
 

 

 

Hello Everyone

 

I am using NVDA with Windows 10 on a desk top computer, and suddenly lost the NVDA voice.  I tried to start NVDA again with control alt n which did not work, and also tried to start Windows Narrator which did not work too .  I thought I may have muted the sound, so pressed F7 which had no effect.  I got the assistance of a sighted person who said that there was a big cross through a speaker on the bottom of the screen which he clicked the mouse on and sound came back.  Is there any way I can turn the sound back on myself using quick keystrokes.  I have no sight at all. 

 

Neil

 

 


Re: OCR: Interacting with items from recognized UI

Sascha Cowley
 

Per section 5.7 of the user guide, these are the keyboard commands:

Name

Desktop key

Laptop key

Touch

Description

Left mouse button click

numpadDivide

NVDA+[

none

Clicks the left mouse button once. The common double click can be performed by pressing this key twice in quick succession

Move mouse to current navigator object

NVDA+numpadDivide

NVDA+shift+m

none

Moves the mouse to the location of the current navigator object and review cursor

You can read the OCR result as normal, then, when you are at the item you want, use these shortcuts.


Re: control click with nvda?

mslion
 

hi Brian,
I need to select different items in the first column of a table in chrome. I indeed work on a laptop but when I try to use the leftclick on my touchpad the mouse tends to move by accident and I click on something else.

With kind regards,
Mitchel Snel


Re: OCR: Interacting with items from recognized UI

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Hi Sascha,

I will review that section of the manual, but I just want to make sure it was clear what I was asking about. I know I can initiate a mouse click from the keyboard using the NVDA key and the numpad slash key. I also have the golden cursor ad on so I can move the mouse cursor around, set hot spots etc. I’m still not sure how I can get from the text readout of an OCR recognition result to the screen location of one of the controls it recognized. For example, say I take OCR of an application’s interface and when I’m reviewing the OCR output, one of the items I come across says ”options.” How can I tell NVDA to go to where it found that text on the UI and initiate a mouse click there? Thanks again.

On Jan 9, 2021, at 5:14 PM, Sascha Cowley via groups.io <sascha.camille=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

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Looking for USB driver for Pac Mate Omni BX 400 on Windows 10

Dan Miner
 

Someone gave me a 40 cell braille display and it’s quite old but appears functional.  I just can’t get  it talking to my system.  It’s one of those PDA and display with a braille keyboard.  I found a thread in this very mailing list that seems to addressed a very similar model with same problem.  Sadly, the link to the USB driver in Ollie’s DropBox is dead.

 

https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/4507670#15948

 

Anyone have that USB driver or know how to reach someone with it?  It’s impossible to find so far…

 

                Dan


Re: Reducing the reading speed of NVDA

Vaibhav Saraf
 

Hi Brian,

The voice rate this way increments or decrements by 5 levels. Any way to do it just by one level without going to settings?

I am a laptop user thus using NVDA + Shift + Ctrl + Up/down arrow.

Thanks,
Vaibhav


On Sun, 10 Jan 2021 at 02:32, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Before I answer your question, I want to make you aware of one of the handiest commands for a new NVDA user when it comes to finding the keyboard shortcuts used to control the vast majority of "commonly used" features:   NVDA+N,H,Q  (which is INS+N,H,Q in desktop keyboard layout) will cause the Commands Quick Reference to open in your default web browser.  The question you're asking is about one of the common features/tweaks, and the keyboard shortcuts for changing the reading rate, is found there under Synth Settings Ring, copied here:

Synth settings ring

Name Desktop key Laptop key Description
Move to next synth setting NVDA+control+rightArrow NVDA+shift+control+rightArrow Moves to the next available speech setting after the current, wrapping around to the first setting again after the last
Move to previous synth setting NVDA+control+leftArrow NVDA+shift+control+leftArrow Moves to the next available speech setting before the current, wrapping around to the last setting after the first
Increment current synth setting NVDA+control+upArrow NVDA+shift+control+upArrow increases the current speech setting you are on. E.g. increases the rate, chooses the next voice, increases the volume
Decrement current synth setting NVDA+control+downArrow NVDA+shift+control+downArrow decreases the current speech setting you are on. E.g. decreases the rate, chooses the previous voice, decreases the volume

You'd have to get yourself to the speech rate for your chosen synth using one or the other of the first two commands, then increment/increase or decrement/decrease the rate using the third and fourth commands, respectively.
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Double Tone

 

Joseph, I wander in that case if we should just wrip out nvda logging entirely and use a universal one, either cloud based, or some third party one established.

I never used crash heroe, but maybe we need to use something like that or some other way to handle things.



On 10/01/2021 2:39 pm, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

This will involve patching log handler module, specifically various log handler classes (NVDA uses Python’s logging facility for log output). Another thing to consider is that some users may set log level to “disabled”, in which only a brief startup message will be recorded. In general, patching NVDA’s built-in modules and functions by replacing a class or a function is discouraged as it can introduce headaches (compatibility issues among others; trust me, I went through it painfully recently with Windows 10 App Essentials add-on).

There used to be an add-on named Crash Hero that will be triggered automatically when NVDA restarts after a crash. This add-on will record crash information such as old log file (if it exists). This add-on did not survive Python 3 transition (speaking of NVDA’s logging facility, it took days to move that from 2 to 3 two years ago).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Double Tone

 

As a former programmer, I hesitate to even suggest the following, as it is likely far, far more complicated than the previous descriptions lead me to believe it might be.

But if NVDA is detecting that an error has occurred, and what would be sent to the NVDA developers (or add-on developers), and all of that content comes from the log file working backward from current logged error to the last one to extract what's needed, could this not be automated as a function (or, perhaps) add-on for the beta itself?

Based on what's been described, which I understand may not be comprehensive, grabbing that traceback should be relatively straightforward programatically and would result in far more data for developers than relying on manual reporting would.

[Now, let the explanations about why the above is, in actuality, impractical, begin.  It just can't be this straightforward or someone would have done it.]
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Double Tone

 

Hi,

This will involve patching log handler module, specifically various log handler classes (NVDA uses Python’s logging facility for log output). Another thing to consider is that some users may set log level to “disabled”, in which only a brief startup message will be recorded. In general, patching NVDA’s built-in modules and functions by replacing a class or a function is discouraged as it can introduce headaches (compatibility issues among others; trust me, I went through it painfully recently with Windows 10 App Essentials add-on).

There used to be an add-on named Crash Hero that will be triggered automatically when NVDA restarts after a crash. This add-on will record crash information such as old log file (if it exists). This add-on did not survive Python 3 transition (speaking of NVDA’s logging facility, it took days to move that from 2 to 3 two years ago).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Double Tone

 

As a former programmer, I hesitate to even suggest the following, as it is likely far, far more complicated than the previous descriptions lead me to believe it might be.

But if NVDA is detecting that an error has occurred, and what would be sent to the NVDA developers (or add-on developers), and all of that content comes from the log file working backward from current logged error to the last one to extract what's needed, could this not be automated as a function (or, perhaps) add-on for the beta itself?

Based on what's been described, which I understand may not be comprehensive, grabbing that traceback should be relatively straightforward programatically and would result in far more data for developers than relying on manual reporting would.

[Now, let the explanations about why the above is, in actuality, impractical, begin.  It just can't be this straightforward or someone would have done it.]
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Double Tone

Andrea Sherry
 

Thank you.

On 10/01/2021 10:25 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
You've actually answered your own question, kinda, sorta.  The only time I have had those double-tones is when I'm running a beta version, once something goes to the release candidate or actual release version those disappear.

I have to believe this is an intentional design element so that one knows that a beta is in use.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Double Tone

Andrea Sherry
 

That's the one.

What is it?

On 10/01/2021 10:25 am, Chris Smart wrote:
You mean the descending tritone, a piano sound that plays 5th octave C then 4th octave F-sharp?



On 2021-01-09 6:15 p.m., Andrea Sherry wrote:
What is this double tone thingy which has appeared on my system since the introduction of the betas?

Andrea








Re: OCR: Interacting with items from recognized UI

Sascha Cowley
 

You can use normal mouse control functions in NVDA to do this. See section 5.7. Navigating with the Mouse of the NVDA user guide.


OCR: Interacting with items from recognized UI

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Hi,

 

For inaccessible UIs I’ll often run NVDA OCR on the UI and then press enter or space bar on the UI controls I find in the recognized text such as tabs, menus and buttons. I find this only works in some programs and other times seems to be ignored. I believe the issue in some cases is that some UIs only respond when an actual mouse is clicked on a control. Is there a way to have the mouse cursor move to the UI element corresponding with its label in the OCR viewer and produce a click on that element? If not, is this something I could submit on GitHub as a feature request? It would make the already helpful OCR feature even more useful.

 

Thanks,

Luke

 


Re: control click with nvda?

 

Might I ask several questions:

1.  What, precisely, are you actually attempting to do with CTRL+Click in this instance?

2.  Are you using a desktop?  If so, have you ever considered using a "hobbled mouse" that would allow you to use its buttons while eliminating the pointer movement?

3.  Are you using a laptop, where you likely have direct access to left click already, and could use CTRL+LeftClick without emulation?

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Double Tone

 

As a former programmer, I hesitate to even suggest the following, as it is likely far, far more complicated than the previous descriptions lead me to believe it might be.

But if NVDA is detecting that an error has occurred, and what would be sent to the NVDA developers (or add-on developers), and all of that content comes from the log file working backward from current logged error to the last one to extract what's needed, could this not be automated as a function (or, perhaps) add-on for the beta itself?

Based on what's been described, which I understand may not be comprehensive, grabbing that traceback should be relatively straightforward programatically and would result in far more data for developers than relying on manual reporting would.

[Now, let the explanations about why the above is, in actuality, impractical, begin.  It just can't be this straightforward or someone would have done it.]
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Double Tone

 

Hi,

Typical errors can include, but are not limited to:

  • Python specific errors such as inability to load a module, syntax errors with either NVDA or an add-on, errors associated with data structures such as key/index/value error exceptions, resource error such as inability to open a URL.
  • Errors from external modules, either wxWidgets/wxPython or something else.
  • Recently, garbage handler messages while managing resources.

When an error tone is heard, as Tyler noted, pressing NVDA+F1 will open the log viewer, from where you can scroll up to read the last error associated with the tone (technically a traceback). We (developers) need the complete traceback from the last error to determine what’s going on so we can either resolve it from NVDA side or reported to add-on authors (in case of my add-ons, I can guarantee a fix in minutes once I identify a possible cause and test a fix live; I use alpha builds for this purpose, and I try my best to make my add-ons error-free as much as possible before NVDA betas are released).

Cheers,

joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 3:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Double Tone

 

I really wish I knew "what sort of error."  Ninety-nine times out of one hundred I can see absolutely no difference from typical behavior, so it's unclear what's been identified as being off.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Double Tone

 

I really wish I knew "what sort of error."  Ninety-nine times out of one hundred I can see absolutely no difference from typical behavior, so it's unclear what's been identified as being off.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Double Tone

 

Hi,

Specifically, to help you report bugs to developers easily, as these tones indicate some sort of error.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Double Tone

 

You've actually answered your own question, kinda, sorta.  The only time I have had those double-tones is when I'm running a beta version, once something goes to the release candidate or actual release version those disappear.

I have to believe this is an intentional design element so that one knows that a beta is in use.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Double Tone

Gene
 

The tones indicate an error of some sort. The tones are enabled on betas so users are aware of when errors occur. They are disabled in production releases. Most of the time, such program errors don't affect the functioning of the program.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 5:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Double Tone

You've actually answered your own question, kinda, sorta. The only time I have had those double-tones is when I'm running a beta version, once something goes to the release candidate or actual release version those disappear.

I have to believe this is an intentional design element so that one knows that a beta is in use.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel


Re: Double Tone

Tyler Spivey
 

That's the error tone. If you look in the log viewer after it plays, you'll see what happened.

On 1/9/2021 3:25 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
You've actually answered your own question, kinda, sorta.  The only time I have had those double-tones is when I'm running a beta version, once something goes to the release candidate or actual release version those disappear.
I have to believe this is an intentional design element so that one knows that a beta is in use.
--
Brian -Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.
       ~ Brian Vogel


Re: Double Tone

 

You've actually answered your own question, kinda, sorta.  The only time I have had those double-tones is when I'm running a beta version, once something goes to the release candidate or actual release version those disappear.

I have to believe this is an intentional design element so that one knows that a beta is in use.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 

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