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Using NVDA With Remote!

Thomas E Williamson, Senior
 

Hello,
When I connect to another's person usin nvda remote, it does not read on my end, what she hears, on her end?
What might be the problem, why I can not hear, while to he computer?
Thanks for your help!
Regards,
Thomas.


Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read #adminnotice

Gene
 

You yourself said in an earlier message that you have trouble searching. It may be because you are making searches far too complicated. You can disagree and perhaps you are disaggreeing because searching may have been more complicated in the nineties. But I'm telling you from years of experience with searching well, that your ideas of search are completely wrong. I don't know what you mean about quotation marks being a default in Google. they aren't. Searches are not case sensative by default. You may be able to make a search case sensative, I've never checked but as I said they aren't by default. and it usually doesn't matter. Search engines these days, the sophisticated ones are smart enough to find something without customizing searches with such things as quotation marks and boolean operators. There are rare times when I do a search and I get lots of poor matches when I may use quotation marks. But most of the time, I can search for the name of a book, for example no quotes no anything other than the name and if I want to see reviews, I add the word review or reviews and I almost always get good results. Try it and see. Just write what you want to search for and see what happens.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 3:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read

Good Afternoon;: I will disagree with you 100% here on your search
skills. The quotation mark is an automatic with a lot of search
engines. You must like Googgle following you to use that search
engine. The next thing is the question of what are you going to do it
your information is case sensitive and you don't use upper and lower
case to find the information. There are times that you could be
searching for hours if you don't use all the search tools.

Dave


On 1/4/2021 6:34 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know if this message is getting too detailed and most of it should be on the chat list but it may help some or many people.

Regarding well crafted searches, I'm not sure how much of this applied years ago such as in about 2000, but Google is a consumer product and is now smart enough to give good results even if ;people don't know what used to be taught for defining a search in detail. I never use boolean operators and I almost never use quotation marks. I just type in a few words what I want to know but people can use full sentences if they wish. I might search for something like Happiness IS a Warm Gun lyrics or Happiness Is a Warm Gun Youtube. I might search for something like list of keyboard commands for Word or Microsoft Word. My point is that defining a search most of the time is a matter of typing what you want to know, being aware that if you don't define something enough, you might have to try again with another word or two added or changed to get good results. For example, if I type a name of a song and it’s a common phrase I might see used elsewhere, I might have to do another search such as name of song then type the name of the group.

It might be easier to get people who have the Internet skills to search to do so if it were made clear that searching usually doesn't involve the more complex methods they may have heard discussed.

As far as the discussion of people doing searches, one approach might be to distinguish between the two kinds of people who don't search. there are people who ask lots of
questions over time who have good computer skills and whom I would have no objection to being expected to do searches. They either already can or could do good searches generally with a little instruction.

Then there are those who ask questions off and on and who don't have good computer skills. Those people I would probably let ask questions and not make an issue of searching.



Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 6:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read

I'm not sure why you didn't find the message. I tried searching for its
beginning one or two ways but then I thought of moving by separator and I
found the start of it immediately below the separator. . I tried other
ways and I got close to the message as well or right to the message text
when I repeated the skip blocs of links command three times.

I wonder if there is something about your browser configuration that is
perhaps interfering with you seeing it?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read

At 06:31 PM 1/4/2021, Brian Vogel wrote:
First, direct link to the opening message:
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/80182
Activating that link takes me to a page telling me everything I do
and don't want to know about the original message except the message
itself, with no keyboard-friendly way of navigating to subsequent
messages in the thread. Most email clients have key commands for
previous and next message; if they don't, and have no way to
configure them, you can guess where I chuck them.


Orlando










Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read #adminnotice

Gene
 

I don't know if we can discuss your search problems well without knowing how you search, what sort of phrases you use, whether you use things like quotation marks, etc.

Good search engines today are consumer products and make searching as easy as possible. These days, you don't have to know much to get good results but if people do certain things such as misuse quotation marks, they may get poor results.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 2:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read

Good Afternoon: As far as the search problem I have a computer user
from back in the early '90s. I still have problems in searching. I
have gone so far as changing search engines if I can't find the exact
item that I am hunting for.

Dave


On 1/4/2021 5:29 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via groups.io wrote:
At 06:23 PM 1/4/2021, Brian Vogel wrote:
Betsy, you know I've lent you a hand directly on occasions, and I
would be happy to keep doing so in regard to polishing your web and/or
archive search skills such that you know the process for zeroing in on
what you're looking for in a very great many cases. That would be a
great Chat Subgroup topic for any and all who want to join in and
improve such skills.
My frustrations with online searches are not with phrasing my queries in order to get hits; I usually get hundreds to thousands of results. My issue is in finding the relevant information on the pages for each activated result. Microsoft's forums, the Super User forums and many others are so cluttered with header information, upvote/downvote crap and ads for driver checking software that I often find myself no better informed after navigating those pages by links, text, controls, articles, block quotes, etc.
I can only imagine how frustrated a beginner would feel when queering Google for, say, the key command to begin playback from the beginning of a file in VLC. The documentation includes no complete hotkey list, and the hotkey dialogue itself is horribly inaccessible.. Videoland's VLC forums are full of exhausting threads and subthreads lasting pages and pages.
But, I happened to mention this to a sighted friend the other day. He did a Google search and it took even him nearly ten minutes to ascertain that the relevant key command is nothing more than the letter P.
Now, come on, we shouldn't have to read through dozens of forum threads to learn that. This is what frustrates people; the signal-to-noise ratio during online searches is very low. I would want to type "VLC Key Commands" into Google and get a hit saying, "Complete List of VLC Key Commands" or shortcut keys. I don't want to read dozens of forum thread to ascertain a single key command.
If you like, I can figure out how to export in some form my last hundred Google searches. Choose, say, three, and time yourself, of course working only with a keyboard and screen reader, to see how long it takes for the relevant question to be answered. I think you'll be unpleasantly disappointed.


Orlando





Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read #adminnotice

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Afternoon;:  I will disagree with you 100% here on your search skills.  The quotation mark is an automatic with a lot of search engines.  You must like Googgle following you to use that search engine.  The next thing is the question of what are you going to do it your information is case sensitive and you don't use upper and lower case to find the information.  There are times that you could be searching for hours if you don't use all the search tools.

Dave

On 1/4/2021 6:34 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know if this message is getting too detailed and most of it should be on the chat list but it may help some or many people.

Regarding well crafted searches, I'm not sure how much of this applied years ago such as in about 2000, but Google is a consumer product and is now smart enough to give good results even if ;people don't know what used to be taught for defining a search in detail.  I never use boolean operators and I almost never use quotation marks.  I just type in a few words what I want to know but people can use full sentences if they wish.  I might search for something like Happiness IS a Warm Gun lyrics or Happiness Is a Warm Gun Youtube.  I might search for something like list of keyboard commands for Word or Microsoft Word.  My point is that defining a search most of the time is a matter of typing what you want to know, being aware that if you don't define something enough, you might have to try again with another word or two added or changed to get good results.  For example, if I type a name of a song and it’s a common phrase I might see used elsewhere, I might have to do another search such as name of song then type the name of the group.

It might be easier to get people who have the Internet skills to search to do so if it were made clear that searching usually doesn't involve the more complex methods they may have heard discussed.

As far as the discussion of people doing searches, one approach might be to distinguish between the two kinds of people who don't search.  there are people who ask lots of
questions over time who have good computer skills and whom I would have no objection to being expected to do searches.  They either already can or could do good searches generally with a little instruction.

Then there are those who ask questions off and on and who don't have good computer skills.  Those people I would probably let ask questions and not make an issue of searching.



Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 6:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read

I'm not sure why you didn't find the message.  I tried searching for its
beginning one or two ways but then I thought of moving by separator and I
found the start of it immediately below the separator.   .  I tried other
ways and I got close to the message as well or right to the message text
when I repeated the skip blocs of links command three times.

I wonder if there is something about your browser configuration that is
perhaps interfering with you seeing it?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 6:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read

At 06:31 PM 1/4/2021, Brian Vogel wrote:
First, direct link to the opening message:
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/80182
Activating that link takes me to a page telling me everything I do
and don't want to know about the original message except the message
itself, with no keyboard-friendly way of navigating to subsequent
messages in the thread. Most email clients have key commands for
previous and next message; if they don't, and have no way to
configure them, you can guess where I chuck them.


Orlando









Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read #adminnotice

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Afternoon:  Being Jaws and NVDA use different programming languages, it doesn't make it difficult to have the same outcomes.  Jaws uses the C programming Language as far as I know. NVDA usesPython Computer programming language.

Dave

On 1/4/2021 5:40 PM, Gene wrote:
Perhaps one of the developers will address the question.  I wonder if there is a technical reason for this, such as how Windows provides information to screen-readers.  Older screen-readers, such as JAWS, I believe, use a different method for getting a lot of the kinds of information you are discussing.

Another thing which would be very useful and it would be very important to some people would be the ability to create what JAWS calls frames, certain parts of the screen that will automatically take actions under certain conditions or that you can have read by issuing a command.  and regarding having things read, the frame can be set to automatically read under certain conditions.

I suspect there is some sort of technical limitation on the way NVDA gets information because this is a feature of enough importance that I suspect it would have been implemented if it could have been.  However, I may be wrong about both and I hope those with the technical knowledge discuss those questions.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Orlando Enrique Fiol via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2021 6:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read

At 06:06 PM 1/4/2021, Chris Smart wrote:
Betsy, have you tried the NVDA basic training?
I'm going through it now, after using another screen reader for
many years, and I find it to be quite well written and organized,
with lots of little exercises to actually work through.

I know we're on the NVDA list. But I may as well come clean. NVDA
will never be my primary screen reader until it gives me control over
the exact order of spoken elements. Every other screen reader
provides this. If I'm going through a list of check boxes and want to
hear which ones are checked, I need the state spoken either first or
right after the control type, not at the end of its field data. For
another example, if I'm in a dialogue where I know that its only
combo edit box changes a particular setting, I need my screen reader
to announce the control type first while I quickly tab between
fields. How this has managed to get through so many of NVDA versions
without being addressed, with the cooperation of so many blind users,
is baffling.


Orlando









Re: Admin's Notes Re List Conduct, Please Read #adminnotice

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Afternoon:  As far as the search problem I have a computer user from back in the early '90s.  I still have problems in searching.  I have gone so far as changing search engines if I can't find the exact item that I am hunting for.

Dave

On 1/4/2021 5:29 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol via groups.io wrote:
At 06:23 PM 1/4/2021, Brian Vogel wrote:
Betsy, you know I've lent you a hand directly on occasions, and I
would be happy to keep doing so in regard to polishing your web and/or
archive search skills such that you know the process for zeroing in on
what you're looking for in a very great many cases.  That would be a
great Chat Subgroup topic for any and all who want to join in and
improve such skills.
My frustrations with online searches are not with phrasing my queries in order to get hits; I usually get hundreds to thousands of results. My issue is in finding the relevant information on the pages for each activated result. Microsoft's forums, the Super User forums and many others are so cluttered with header information, upvote/downvote crap and ads for driver checking software that I often find myself no better informed after navigating those pages by links, text, controls, articles, block quotes, etc.
I can only imagine how frustrated a beginner would feel when queering Google for, say, the key command to begin playback from the beginning of a file in VLC. The documentation includes no complete hotkey list, and the hotkey dialogue itself is horribly inaccessible.. Videoland's VLC forums are full of exhausting threads and subthreads lasting pages and pages.
But, I happened to mention this to a sighted friend the other day. He did a Google search and it took even him nearly ten minutes to ascertain that the relevant key command is nothing more than the letter P.
Now, come on, we shouldn't have to read through dozens of forum threads to learn that. This is what frustrates people; the signal-to-noise ratio during online searches is very low. I would want to type "VLC Key Commands" into Google and get a hit saying, "Complete List of VLC Key Commands" or shortcut keys. I don't want to read dozens of forum thread to ascertain a single key command.
If you like, I can figure out how to export in some form my last hundred Google searches. Choose, say, three, and time yourself, of course working only with a keyboard and screen reader, to see how long it takes for the relevant question to be answered. I think you'll be unpleasantly disappointed.


Orlando




Re: OCR: Interacting with items from recognized UI

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Hi Kara,

Thanks for your reply. I think what I wasn’t clear on is that hitting enter or space in the OCR viewer actually generates a left click on that item, something I was able to confirm. That clears up a lot of my confusion.
I think you might be right that the likely culprit is simply that the label isn’t actually part of the UI control so isn’t doing anything when I click it. Until we get more sophisticated GUI recognition tools in NVDA, my best bet is probably just to have my wife line the mouse cursor up with the controls I need so I can capture some golden cursor hotspots for future use.

Thanks again to everybody who replied,
Luke

On Jan 11, 2021, at 2:08 AM, Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...> wrote:



Hi Luke,

You can move the mouse to where the virtual focus is by pressing NVDA+numpad slash, then you can press numpad slash to click it.

I've also run into the  same issue as you where enter sometimes doesn't work, so here's a couple of things I also try.

After moving the mouse to the thing you want to  click, press shift+numpad slash twice with a short pause in-between. This locks and unlocks the left  mouse button. This could help if the app expects the button to be held down longer than usual.

Another thing to bear in mind is that sometimes the text that OCR recognises might just be the control's label, and the actual control could be above, below or to the side of it. I've noticed this in Omnissphere for example. The only way round this is to randomly click around the label with golden cursor, possibly listening for a different colour/brightness level depending on how you have it set up. I usually get tired of this pretty quickly, however.

I hope this helps any.


Kara

On 10/01/2021 01:02, Luke Robinett wrote:

Hi,

 

For inaccessible UIs I’ll often run NVDA OCR on the UI and then press enter or space bar on the UI controls I find in the recognized text such as tabs, menus and buttons. I find this only works in some programs and other times seems to be ignored. I believe the issue in some cases is that some UIs only respond when an actual mouse is clicked on a control. Is there a way to have the mouse cursor move to the UI element corresponding with its label in the OCR viewer and produce a click on that element? If not, is this something I could submit on GitHub as a feature request? It would make the already helpful OCR feature even more useful.

 

Thanks,

Luke

 


Re: question about the right click button numpad star*

Gene
 

I'm not talking about using keyboard commands. I'm simply saying that the discussion didn't state that you need to route the mouse with NVDA before using the physical mouse click commands. I don't know how many people know that routing the virtual mouse routs the mouse, just as moving the mouse with a physical mouse does. Because we don't know who is following the thread, it is a good idea to say to route the mouse with NVDA before using the physical click commands and that is all I'm saying.

I happened to work with a trainer who specifically said that when you move the mouse with a screen-reader you are moving the mouse. I do not assume that a lot of people have been told that and they may think that using a physical mouse is somehow different. You are discussing a procedure not commonly used by blind people and it is goode to clarify. I'm not saying that you should explain things that are common knowledge.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 11:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question about the right click button numpad star*

Gene,

By the way, you only need to route the mouse in certain circumstances as well. For instance, if I'm in File Explorer, and have focus with selection on a specific file or group of files, gained strictly using keyboard commands, a right click will bring up the context menu that's appropriate for that context (which is different for a single select versus multi select and a folder select versus file select etc.)

And I presume that this is a known for anyone who's used Windows for any period of time (whether with NVDA or not). You learn what's necessary when by trial and error, and I'm willing to assume most here have already undergone said trial and error before ever having joined, and am willing to walk through it if the need to do so arises. It seldom does.
--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel


Re: question about the right click button numpad star*

 

Gene,

           By the way, you only need to route the mouse in certain circumstances as well.  For instance, if I'm in File Explorer, and have focus with selection on a specific file or group of files, gained strictly using keyboard commands, a right click will bring up the context menu that's appropriate for that context (which is different for a single select versus multi select and a folder select versus file select etc.)

            And I presume that this is a known for anyone who's used Windows for any period of time (whether with NVDA or not).  You learn what's necessary when by trial and error, and I'm willing to assume most here have already undergone said trial and error before ever having joined, and am willing to walk through it if the need to do so arises.  It seldom does.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: question about the right click button numpad star*

 

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 11:53 AM, Gene wrote:
You can have focus on something by using the arrow keys to move to something in a list, for example. The mouse is not at the location you are.
-
Gene, focus means, to me, "as appropriate for the thing being discussed."

You are 100% correct, and what you've said, in my opinion, goes without saying.  I am not going to drag out every conversation by "clarifying" things I am willing to believe a user already knows, or will end up asking if they don't and something goes wrong.  I do not presume neophytes, but people asking focused questions who are otherwise quite familiar with mouse movement versus simple focus.  When you're talking about mouse type commands "mouse focus," for lack of a better term, is what should be presumed.  Route mouse commands should have already been used.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: question about the right click button numpad star*

Gene
 

You can have focus on something by using the arrow keys to move to something in a list, for example. The mouse is not at the location you are. To use the click commands, whether on the mouse itself or in NVDA, you must move the mouse to the location where you want to work. Discussing covering the mouse pad means the only way you can move the mouse is with the NVDA mouse movement command before clicking it. The person you are addressing may already be doing that and may understand what you are describing. But it is important to clarify the point to avoid confusion. The mouse must still be moved before clicking no matter how you click it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 10:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question about the right click button numpad star*

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:
Are you saying you move the mouse using the NVDA mouse movement command, then click with the actual mouse click keys?-
I'm not saying that, at least not specifically. What I'm saying is that if you have focus on something where you need a right or left click, it makes way more sense to use a real right or left click, and nowhere is that simpler than on a laptop.

The original question had nothing to do with gaining focus on something, so I am taking that as a non-issue. The question was how to make NVDA do a CTRL+Click (meaning left click) and what I'm saying is that if you can avoid having any need for NVDA to do it, and can just do it sans any emulation, the latter option is preferable.

And for keyboards without an applications key (and mine is one of them), the earlier advice from yourself about SHIFT+F10 being the way to bring up the context menu from the keyboard (if you're not using a real right click) is the correct one. This is another of those instances where very, very rarely SHIFT+F10 (or hitting Applications/menu key) and right click are not equivalent, but it's so rare that it's not even worth discussing. And in those cases I've yet to see right click not do what's wanted, but the keyboard options didn't.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel


Re: question about the right click button numpad star*

 

That should have been "a right click," not a CTRL+Click.  We have parallel topics right now that still have what, in my opinion, is the same solution:  use the real keys.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: question about the right click button numpad star*

 

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 11:10 AM, Gene wrote:
Are you saying you move the mouse using the NVDA mouse movement command, then click with the actual mouse click keys?
-
I'm not saying that, at least not specifically.  What I'm saying is that if you have focus on something where you need a right or left click, it makes way more sense to use a real right or left click, and nowhere is that simpler than on a laptop.

The original question had nothing to do with gaining focus on something, so I am taking that as a non-issue.  The question was how to make NVDA do a CTRL+Click (meaning left click) and what I'm saying is that if you can avoid having any need for NVDA to do it, and can just do it sans any emulation, the latter option is preferable.

And for keyboards without an applications key (and mine is one of them), the earlier advice from yourself about SHIFT+F10 being the way to bring up the context menu from the keyboard (if you're not using a real right click) is the correct one.  This is another of those instances where very, very rarely SHIFT+F10 (or hitting Applications/menu key) and right click are not equivalent, but it's so rare that it's not even worth discussing.  And in those cases I've yet to see right click not do what's wanted, but the keyboard options didn't.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: question about the right click button numpad star*

Gene
 

Are you saying you move the mouse using the NVDA mouse movement command, then click with the actual mouse click keys? My problem is generally not clicking as provided for in NVDA, but in instances where I can't move to something using the mouse movement command for technical reasons I don't know. There are times on web pages where the move mouse to object navigator position doesn't work. I'm not saying that the NVDA mouse click commands don't have problems at times, I don't know, but in general, my problem is being able to move the mouse using the NVDA mouse movement command..

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] question about the right click button numpad star*

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 05:56 AM, tilahun muniye wrote:
The right click and application key seem similar but not at all.-
I have yet to see a single instance of where a true right click will not do exactly what hitting the applications/menu key does, but have seen a very rare few instances where hitting the applications/menu key does not do what true right click does.

I do not understand why anyone using a laptop does not simply mask off the thumb touchpad area of the full mousepad with cardboard to prevent mouse movement and use the actual left and right click keys. It's a simple thing to do, and it saves scads of heartache with emulated mouse clicks. The same thing can be done with a real mouse by putting tape over the optical port that allows it to detect movement.

I've been doing this with virtually every student I've ever had, as mouse key emulation remains far from perfect and I've had plenty of occasions where it just doesn't work. It's easy to keep access to the actual mouse left and right click keys while preventing any possibility of pointer movement.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel


Re: moving a chart in excel office365 with NVDA

 

Josh,

           See:  

How to move a specific chart to a new sheet in Excel?

or Copy Chart to New Sheet and Link to Data on New Sheet ...

or any one of a number of results from the search https://duckduckgo.com/?q=excel+copy+chart+to+different+sheet 

Since it sounds like all you want to do is to isolate the chart, not change the data it uses, you will simply do the copying of the chart and allowing it to reference its original data.  Any of the steps about making it use new data on the new sheet will not apply to you, and that's actually far more complicated than the copy.

If you're used to using Excel with NVDA then there's really nothing NVDA-related, per se, about doing this.  It's all Excel commands.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


moving a chart in excel office365 with NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

I will soon be getting a braille buddy personal braille printer from www.irie-at.com

 

I will want to emboss charts and graphs in Excel. What keyboard commands do I use to select and move an inserted chart into its own worksheet, required by the tiger software suite addon in order to emboss the chart with braille labels?

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: question about the right click button numpad star*

 

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 05:56 AM, tilahun muniye wrote:
The right click and application key seem similar but not at all.
-
I have yet to see a single instance of where a true right click will not do exactly what hitting the applications/menu key does, but have seen a very rare few instances where hitting the applications/menu key does not do what true right click does.

I do not understand why anyone using a laptop does not simply mask off the thumb touchpad area of the full mousepad with cardboard to prevent mouse movement and use the actual left and right click keys.  It's a simple thing to do, and it saves scads of heartache with emulated mouse clicks.  The same thing can be done with a real mouse by putting tape over the optical port that allows it to detect movement.

I've been doing this with virtually every student I've ever had, as mouse key emulation remains far from perfect and I've had plenty of occasions where it just doesn't work.  It's easy to keep access to the actual mouse left and right click keys while preventing any possibility of pointer movement.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Tony's add-ons: new and updated

Suhas Dharwad
 

sentence nav, word nav, and symbols, does sound quite interesting.

Will give it a try.
thanks.

---Suhas
Sent from Thunderbird

“Things can turn out differently, Apollo.
That's the nice thing about being human.
We only have one life, but we can choose what kind of story it's going to be.”
Rick Riordan
On 1/10/2021 3:43, Tony Malykh wrote:

Hello all,

This is Tony, author of many NVDA add-ons. During holidays I updated many of my add-ons, and wrote two new add-ons, so I would like to share them with you guys. This is a long email, so please feel free to navigate by headings!

Please note that links on the official website have not been updated, as it seems that nobody has access to that website anymore. Therefore, please download directly from Github, download links included below.

 

New add-ons:

WordNav

It takes word navigation to the next level in NVDA. It standardizes what exactly does word mean, e.g. does it include punctuation before and after, moreover, it offers various definitions of word, some of which might be useful for software developers, for example when they are working with camelCaseIdentifiers. It redefines Control+Left/Right keystrokes, as well as it adds optional Control+Windows+Left/Right keystrokes. Configuration panel included!

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-word-nav/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-word-nav/releases/download/v1.2/wordNav-1.2.nvda-addon

 

Console toolkit

This is a collection of tools for heavy console users. Among its features are:

·       More realtime speaking of console output

·       * Beep on update

·       Control+V shortcut now works in ssh connections

·       Editing of current prompt in accessible window

·       Capturing command output, including multi-page, and displaying it in an accessible window

 

Please note, it supports the default Windows console, a.k.a. command prompt, as well as windows PowerShell.

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-console-toolkit/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-console-toolkit/releases/download/v0.2dev/consoleToolkit-0.2dev.nvda-addon

 

Updates

SentenceNav

This add-on allows to read text sentence by sentence using Alt+Up/Down keystroke. I managed to improve its performance a lot, now it reads sentences much faster, especially in large paragraphs. I also added experimental support for Microsoft Word and WordPad – before this version built-in NVDA logic applied to sentence navigation in these programs, and many users have complained about that. Also, a number of bugfixes. Also I wrote extensive documentation, since sentence finding code has become so complicated, even I myself is having a hard time reading my own code after a couple of years since first release 😊

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/releases/download/v2.9/SentenceNav-2.9.nvda-addon

BrowserNav

BrowserNav contains a set of improvements to browse mode in NVDA. Besides a number of bugfixes, this new version includes command to jump to next text written in different style (bound to tilde, that weird key right above Tab), and a command to scroll down to reveal all the hidden content, bound to backslash. That last command might be useful for websites, that load content dynamically. This includes Youtube, that doesn’t load the entire page and expects users to scroll down to reveal certain elements, and also so called infinite scroll webpages, such as Amazon and Facebook.

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/releases/download/v1.12/browsernav-1.12.nvda-addon

Tony’s enhancements

This add-on is an incubator for my experimental ideas, yet I believe many of them might be quite handy for many users. In particular, this time WordNav and Console toolkit mentioned above have graduated from this incubator. 😊 Among new features that I added are QuickSearch command, that allows to quickly find predefined text or regular expression in text files. I personally find it useful for editing markdown, because you can set the regular expression to search for next/previous heading, and also for programming. Another new feature allows to set system priority for NVDA process – this might improve responsiveness of NVDA, especially when CPU load is high.

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/

·       Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/releases/download/v1.8/tonysEnhancements-1.8.nvda-addon

Other

NVDA Symbols

This is not an add-on, but rather a comprehensive (more or less) table of unicode characters with their proper English names. In particular, it includes math symbols (the ones that are not defined in NVDA), Greek letters, technical symbols, various arrows, etc. If you’re Greek, you would probably want to exclude Greek letters from this dictionary. If you speak CJK languages, you would probably want to exclude fixed-width punctuation page from that dictionary. This table would need to be added manually to your symbols.dic file in NVDA user config directory.

·       Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-symbols/

·       Download: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mltony/nvda-symbols/main/final.dic

 

Let me know what you think!

Belated happy new year!

--Tony

 


Re: question about the right click button numpad star*

Gene
 

Use shift f10. That usually works the same as the applications key, but not always.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Nikos Demetriou via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 4:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] question about the right click button numpad star*


Hi all.
I recently bought a new hp laptop.
As you probably know, recent laptops unfortunately don't have an application key.

NVDA has got a right click button which is the numpad *, but this shortcut unfortunately cannot act as an application key because it follows the focus of the mouse instead of the focus of the keyboard.

If we want to use this button we will have to press first nvda+/ to make the mouse to follow where the navigator object is.

I don't know if it's possible to make the numpad * to always follow the navigator object so it can act as an application key since we don't have one.
Nikos


Re: Tony's add-ons: new and updated

Gene
 

I have never gotten browser nav to work on my computer. I'm running Windows 7.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: William
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 3:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tony's add-ons: new and updated



Hi,

After installing browser nav, all the single key navigation keys of browser nav addon did not work.

I am currently using 2020.2, and this issue is also present in 2020.4 beta 3.




Tony Malykh 於 10/1/2021 6:13 寫道:


Hello all,

This is Tony, author of many NVDA add-ons. During holidays I updated many of my add-ons, and wrote two new add-ons, so I would like to share them with you guys. This is a long email, so please feel free to navigate by headings!

Please note that links on the official website have not been updated, as it seems that nobody has access to that website anymore. Therefore, please download directly from Github, download links included below.



New add-ons:

WordNav

It takes word navigation to the next level in NVDA. It standardizes what exactly does word mean, e.g. does it include punctuation before and after, moreover, it offers various definitions of word, some of which might be useful for software developers, for example when they are working with camelCaseIdentifiers. It redefines Control+Left/Right keystrokes, as well as it adds optional Control+Windows+Left/Right keystrokes. Configuration panel included!

· Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-word-nav/

· Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-word-nav/releases/download/v1.2/wordNav-1.2.nvda-addon



Console toolkit

This is a collection of tools for heavy console users. Among its features are:

· More realtime speaking of console output

· * Beep on update

· Control+V shortcut now works in ssh connections

· Editing of current prompt in accessible window

· Capturing command output, including multi-page, and displaying it in an accessible window



Please note, it supports the default Windows console, a.k.a. command prompt, as well as windows PowerShell.

· Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-console-toolkit/

· Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-console-toolkit/releases/download/v0.2dev/consoleToolkit-0.2dev.nvda-addon



Updates

SentenceNav

This add-on allows to read text sentence by sentence using Alt+Up/Down keystroke. I managed to improve its performance a lot, now it reads sentences much faster, especially in large paragraphs. I also added experimental support for Microsoft Word and WordPad – before this version built-in NVDA logic applied to sentence navigation in these programs, and many users have complained about that. Also, a number of bugfixes. Also I wrote extensive documentation, since sentence finding code has become so complicated, even I myself is having a hard time reading my own code after a couple of years since first release 😊

· Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/

· Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/releases/download/v2.9/SentenceNav-2.9.nvda-addon

BrowserNav

BrowserNav contains a set of improvements to browse mode in NVDA. Besides a number of bugfixes, this new version includes command to jump to next text written in different style (bound to tilde, that weird key right above Tab), and a command to scroll down to reveal all the hidden content, bound to backslash. That last command might be useful for websites, that load content dynamically. This includes Youtube, that doesn’t load the entire page and expects users to scroll down to reveal certain elements, and also so called infinite scroll webpages, such as Amazon and Facebook.

· Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/

· Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/releases/download/v1.12/browsernav-1.12.nvda-addon

Tony’s enhancements

This add-on is an incubator for my experimental ideas, yet I believe many of them might be quite handy for many users. In particular, this time WordNav and Console toolkit mentioned above have graduated from this incubator. 😊 Among new features that I added are QuickSearch command, that allows to quickly find predefined text or regular expression in text files. I personally find it useful for editing markdown, because you can set the regular expression to search for next/previous heading, and also for programming. Another new feature allows to set system priority for NVDA process – this might improve responsiveness of NVDA, especially when CPU load is high.

· Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/

· Download: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/releases/download/v1.8/tonysEnhancements-1.8.nvda-addon

Other

NVDA Symbols

This is not an add-on, but rather a comprehensive (more or less) table of unicode characters with their proper English names. In particular, it includes math symbols (the ones that are not defined in NVDA), Greek letters, technical symbols, various arrows, etc. If you’re Greek, you would probably want to exclude Greek letters from this dictionary. If you speak CJK languages, you would probably want to exclude fixed-width punctuation page from that dictionary. This table would need to be added manually to your symbols.dic file in NVDA user config directory.


· Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-symbols/

· Download: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mltony/nvda-symbols/main/final.dic



Let me know what you think!

Belated happy new year!

--Tony

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