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Re: cloning a drive accessibly

Dan Miner
 

I had this very similar problem about two months ago but I wanted the entire system (including the OS). I was just upgrading my SSD to a larger capacity. However, it sounds like you just have a big pile of files. If you're comfortable with the command line , I've heard lots of good things about robocopy. Myself, I would be in a WSL2 terminal and using rsync most likely since I know the tool very well and it generally resumes beautifully when things go wrong as seems inevitable for large copies.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] cloning a drive accessibly

Hi.

Since I have some cash to burn after christmas and since my portable drives are aging, I thought I'd do a transfer of content and get a new drive.

Now, how easy is it to clone that drive or transfer it over.

Previously I have done that manually via explorer and while that works it takes ages.

Also explorer and the large sizes of things mean that the system is not as stable as it could be doing massive file opperations.

So what is the most accessible way with nvda to clone the drives over.

I want to transfer all folders etc over.

I will be putting things to a bigger drive, so I don't want to copy an exact copy of the partition record just the files and sub folders over with all contents obviously.

I also want to be able to select everything on that drive aI am doing transfer to, but deselect things I don't want, one of the drives has older backup data for another system which I no longer need, is there an easy way to handle that.

Shaun


Re: Setting column headers to read in Excel

Sascha Cowley
 

Per section 11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide:

After moving to the first cell in the column or row containing the headers, use one of the following commands:

Name

Key

Description

Set column headers

NVDA+shift+c

Pressing this once tells NVDA this is the first header cell in the row that contains column headers, which should be automatically announced when moving between columns below this row. Pressing twice will clear the setting.

Set row headers

NVDA+shift+r

Pressing this once tells NVDA this is the first header cell in the column that contains row headers, which should be automatically announced when moving between rows after this column. Pressing twice will clear the setting.

These settings will be stored in the workbook as defined name ranges compatible with other screen readers such as JAWS. This means that users of other screen readers who open this workbook at a later date will automatically have the row and column headers already set.


Setting column headers to read in Excel

Jeff Samco
 

I'm in an Excel workbook and trying to set column headers to read when arrow cell-to-cell across a row below the header label row. I believe the NVDA command is NVDA+Ctrl+C. However, when pressing this key combination NVDA announces "configuration saved." This happens regardless of using the left hand Caps Lock combo or the right hand Insert on NumPad. Can someone straighten me out?
Thanks,
Jeff


Re: beta 3 and closing programs

Gene
 

I don't know if a program can still have processes running in the background and not show up in the task manager list of running programs. But if you look in the processes part of the dialog and don't show the process for Thunderbird, as far as I know it isn't running. I don't know what you are describing in terms of where you use the appliccations key and where you use the refresh command.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 3:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs



Good Afternoon: It's possible that something is running in the background after closing Thunder Bird by all means. I have closed Thunder Bird and it doesn't respond as being completely closed. If I press the application key, and go down to refresh, and press enter, then it's closed. However, until it is refreshed, it just sits there. It doesn't happen everytime.

Dave




On 1/9/2021 9:03 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I won't say that NVDA is not at play here, because it could be, but ALT+F4 is not an NVDA command, and not tied to NVDA in any way. It's a Windows command that the program window with focus when it's issued responds to. If Thunderbird continues to be "hanging about" with something running in the background, probabilities are that it's not NVDA causing this.

I have asked on a tech geek group specifically for professional techs I haunt whether there is a handy PowerShell and/or Command Prompt command or pipe sequence that would allow someone to zero in on whether a process or cluster of processes of a given name are running. It is my understanding that both Task Manager and Process Monitor are, while not strictly speaking inaccessible, not exactly anywhere near to easy to use with a screen reader.
--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel


Re: NVDA does not read "about Word" in Word 2019

Ann Byrne
 

No.

At 01:09 PM 1/13/2021, you wrote:
And if you don't have Narrator running and alt tab away and then alt tab back, does NVDA speak?

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read "about Word" in Word 2019

NVDA is stopped. I

changing apps it is still silent. However, if I activate Narrator,
alt-tab away, alt-tab back, deactivate narrator, NVDA wstarts talking again.

I don't know why N/vDA is freezing or what is actually freezing in NVDA or your synthesizer. How do you start speech with NVDA again? You could try a different synthesizer. also, have you seen what happens if you try to leave the NVDA window by, for example, going to the desktop> does NVDA resume speaking then?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 9:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA does not read "about Word" in Word 2019

Word 2019; windows 10 latest. Trying to get the current version of
MS Word, I press alt-f, then d, then a; or alt-f, then tab to "about"
and press enter. With either alternative, NVDA locks up, stops
speaking. Narrator reads the 'about' information, but I can't copy it.
I can read the version with JAWS and copy it to speech history.

How can I get NVDA to read this happily?

Thx,















Re: beta 3 and closing programs

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Afternoon:  It's possible that something is running in the background after closing Thunder Bird by all means.  I have closed Thunder Bird and it doesn't respond as being completely closed.  If I press the application key, and go down to refresh, and press enter, then it's closed.  However, until it is refreshed, it just sits there.  It doesn't happen everytime.

Dave


On 1/9/2021 9:03 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I won't say that NVDA is not at play here, because it could be, but ALT+F4 is not an NVDA command, and not tied to NVDA in any way.  It's a Windows command that the program window with focus when it's issued responds to.  If Thunderbird continues to be "hanging about" with something running in the background, probabilities are that it's not NVDA causing this.

I have asked on a tech geek group specifically for professional techs I haunt whether there is a handy PowerShell and/or Command Prompt command or pipe sequence that would allow someone to zero in on whether a process or cluster of processes of a given name are running.  It is my understanding that both Task Manager and Process Monitor are, while not strictly speaking inaccessible, not exactly anywhere near to easy to use with a screen reader.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: beta 3 and closing programs

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Afternoon Don:  Did you check to see if anything in notifications had changed with the bata version of NVDA to the running version?

Dave

On 1/9/2021 8:15 AM, Don H wrote:
I have uninstalled the beta 3 and gone back to NVDA 2020-3 and the issue is resolved with no new email announcements coming with thunderbird closed.  Would appear that the beta is the issue.

On 1/9/2021 9:06 AM, Gene wrote:
Perhaps the beta is announcing information from elsewhere.  Try closing Thunderbird while the beta is running.  Then switch to an earlier version. See if you hear announcements in the earlier version.  That will help determine if the beta is not allowing part of the program to close properly or if it is getting information from somewhere else.

Gene
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs

I can't specifically say this is a beta 3 issue but only started
happening after installing NVDA 2020-4 beta 3.
I am using the latest version of Win 10 and Thunderbird.  After using
Thunderbird I use alt f4 to close the program.  It appears that
thunderbird closes as it should.  I have thunderbird set to announce new
mail.  The strange thing is that with Thunderbird not open I still get
announcements of new Email which tells me that Thunderbird was not
closed properly when using alt f4 to close it.  Thunderbird is not
showing in the system tray or on the task bar when these announcements
are announced and I must open Thunderbird by using the icon on the desktop.














Re: beta 3 and closing programs

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Afternoon:  This may not be the case.  At times Thunder Bird doesn't close and you have to use the applications key and hit the e key or arrow down to refresh and hit enter.  Another question here, does the windows key + w close the Thunder Bird application or not.

Dave

On 1/9/2021 8:06 AM, Gene wrote:
Perhaps the beta is announcing information from elsewhere.  Try closing Thunderbird while the beta is running.  Then switch to an earlier version. See if you hear announcements in the earlier version. That will help determine if the beta is not allowing part of the program to close properly or if it is getting information from somewhere else.

Gene
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs

I can't specifically say this is a beta 3 issue but only started
happening after installing NVDA 2020-4 beta 3.
I am using the latest version of Win 10 and Thunderbird.  After using
Thunderbird I use alt f4 to close the program.  It appears that
thunderbird closes as it should.  I have thunderbird set to announce new
mail.  The strange thing is that with Thunderbird not open I still get
announcements of new Email which tells me that Thunderbird was not
closed properly when using alt f4 to close it.  Thunderbird is not
showing in the system tray or on the task bar when these announcements
are announced and I must open Thunderbird by using the icon on the desktop.









Re: NVDA does not read "about Word" in Word 2019

Gene
 

And if you don't have Narrator running and alt tab away and then alt tab back, does NVDA speak?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read "about Word" in Word 2019

NVDA is stopped. I

changing apps it is still silent. However, if I activate Narrator,
alt-tab away, alt-tab back, deactivate narrator, NVDA wstarts talking again.

I don't know why N/vDA is freezing or what is actually freezing in NVDA or your synthesizer. How do you start speech with NVDA again? You could try a different synthesizer. also, have you seen what happens if you try to leave the NVDA window by, for example, going to the desktop> does NVDA resume speaking then?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 9:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA does not read "about Word" in Word 2019

Word 2019; windows 10 latest. Trying to get the current version of
MS Word, I press alt-f, then d, then a; or alt-f, then tab to "about"
and press enter. With either alternative, NVDA locks up, stops
speaking. Narrator reads the 'about' information, but I can't copy it.
I can read the version with JAWS and copy it to speech history.

How can I get NVDA to read this happily?

Thx,









cloning a drive accessibly

 

Hi.

Since I have some cash to burn after christmas and since my portable drives are aging, I thought I'd do a transfer of content and get a new drive.

Now, how easy is it to clone that drive or transfer it over.

Previously I have done that manually via explorer and while that works it takes ages.

Also explorer and the large sizes of things mean that the system is not as stable as it could be doing massive file opperations.

So what is the most accessible way with nvda to clone the drives over.

I want to transfer all folders etc over.

I will be putting things to a bigger drive, so I don't want to copy an exact copy of the partition record just the files and sub folders over with all contents obviously.

I also want to be able to select everything on that drive aI am doing transfer to, but deselect things I don't want, one of the drives has older backup data for another system which I no longer need, is there an easy way to handle that.

Shaun


Re: While reading doc or web page NVDA announces the command which has been performed– how to silence it?

 

hello.
press insert+4 or turn off
Speak command keys in keyboard settings and press enter to save the settings.

On 1/13/21, vasu prathap <vasuprathap07@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi friends,
I am Prathap new to this group and hope all are fine.
My query regarding NVDA is that while navigating the word or doc or any
other application, NVDA speaks out commands such as control plus down arrow,
control plus up arrow, control plus left arrow etc. For example, if I
navigate to next paragraph, NVDA speaks control plus down arrow, then it
reads the paragraph. Is there any settings in
NVDA or add-ons for silencing such announcement while reading? Please guide
me.
Thanks in advance.





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were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: NVDA does not read "about Word" in Word 2019

Ann Byrne
 

NVDA is stopped. I

changing apps it is still silent. However, if I activate Narrator, alt-tab away, alt-tab back, deactivate narrator, NVDA wstarts talking again.

I don't know why N/vDA is freezing or what is actually freezing in NVDA or your synthesizer. How do you start speech with NVDA again? You could try a different synthesizer. also, have you seen what happens if you try to leave the NVDA window by, for example, going to the desktop> does NVDA resume speaking then?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 9:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA does not read "about Word" in Word 2019

Word 2019; windows 10 latest. Trying to get the current version of
MS Word, I press alt-f, then d, then a; or alt-f, then tab to "about"
and press enter. With either alternative, NVDA locks up, stops
speaking. Narrator reads the 'about' information, but I can't copy it.
I can read the version with JAWS and copy it to speech history.

How can I get NVDA to read this happily?

Thx,









Re: While reading doc or web page NVDA announces the command which has been performed– how to silence it?

Blaster
 

Try pressing the NVDA key and tapping the number 4 key on the top row.

HTH,
Blaster

On 1/13/21, vasu prathap <vasuprathap07@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi friends,
I am Prathap new to this group and hope all are fine.
My query regarding NVDA is that while navigating the word or doc or any
other application, NVDA speaks out commands such as control plus down arrow,
control plus up arrow, control plus left arrow etc. For example, if I
navigate to next paragraph, NVDA speaks control plus down arrow, then it
reads the paragraph. Is there any settings in
NVDA or add-ons for silencing such announcement while reading? Please guide
me.
Thanks in advance.






While reading doc or web page NVDA announces the command which has been performed– how to silence it?

vasu prathap
 

Hi friends,
I am Prathap new to this group and hope all are fine.
My query regarding NVDA is that while navigating the word or doc or any other application, NVDA speaks out commands such as control plus down arrow, control plus up arrow, control plus left arrow etc. For example, if I navigate to next paragraph, NVDA speaks control plus down arrow, then it reads the paragraph. Is there any settings in
NVDA or add-ons for silencing such announcement while reading? Please guide me.
Thanks in advance.


Re: NVDA does not read "about Word" in Word 2019

Gene
 

I don't know why N/vDA is freezing or what is actually freezing in NVDA or your synthesizer. How do you start speech with NVDA again? You could try a different synthesizer. also, have you seen what happens if you try to leave the NVDA window by, for example, going to the desktop> does NVDA resume speaking then?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 9:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA does not read "about Word" in Word 2019

Word 2019; windows 10 latest. Trying to get the current version of
MS Word, I press alt-f, then d, then a; or alt-f, then tab to "about"
and press enter. With either alternative, NVDA locks up, stops
speaking. Narrator reads the 'about' information, but I can't copy it.
I can read the version with JAWS and copy it to speech history.

How can I get NVDA to read this happily?

Thx,


NVDA does not read "about Word" in Word 2019

Ann Byrne
 

Word 2019; windows 10 latest. Trying to get the current version of MS Word, I press alt-f, then d, then a; or alt-f, then tab to "about" and press enter. With either alternative, NVDA locks up, stops speaking. Narrator reads the 'about' information, but I can't copy it.
I can read the version with JAWS and copy it to speech history.

How can I get NVDA to read this happily?

Thx,


Re: How to turn off NVDA

Gene
 

I know about NVDA key s. I'm saying that if a computer is being used by blind and sighted people, NVDDA should be unloaded or put to sleep globally, if that is possible. If a sighted person wants to do things that use browse mode, browse the Internet, read a PDF document, read e-mail, they won't see the screen as they usually do as I understand matters and they won't move from screen to screen as expected.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 9:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA


The normal sleep command is insert+shift+s.
To stop NVDA from speaking anywhere press insert+s.Original Message -----

From: Gene
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA


I think I saw discussion long ago about how to have NVDA sleep globally but I don't see one in the quick commands reference. Perhaps it isn't a command but some other way to achieve this. I hope someone knowledgeable on the subject discusses this so that we know. I hope there is a way to achieve universal sleep but I didn't find one.




Gene


On 1/13/2021 4:16 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:


I don't think that is what is meant. I think what is meant is does NVDA affect any program commands or ways of moving in a program compared to when it is not running? This is generally a concern if you are a sighted user working in browse mode, but it is of little or no concern if you are a blind user. My understanding is that browse mode changes what is shown on screen and the way you move as a sighted user.





If the computer is only going to be used by a blind user, I don't think there will be any problems. If the computer is going to be used both by a blind and sighted users, tthere may be and if there is a universal sleep command that works correctly, given the problem you are describing, that would be the best solution.




Gene

On 1/13/2021 3:33 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:



I think what was meant by the keystroke question was can you still use NVDA keystrokes even when NVDA is not "running" - NVDA doesn't prevent program keyboard shortcuts from working, it only adds to them - for instance there are a lot of NVDA keystrokes for getting around the web where there are relatively few when using a browser alone without NVDA. I am a bit baffled, as if I'm understanding your issue correctly, I've never heard of anyone else with a similar issue, except, as previously mentioned, where a dialog box was left open (which admittedly is a bug on our part, but usually one fairly easy to notice and rectify).


On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:37 PM Food Posse <allaboutfoodandfun@hotmail.com> wrote:

I didn't notice any key commands affected by nvda but I did not test every app and keyboard shortcut. If that is the case, then she will definitely switch to Narrator. She is hugely dependent on keyboard shortcuts.
Thanks for the suggestion. I will offer it to her as another workaround to just turn off the voice as long as nvda running in the background does not slow down her work. I have learned quite a bit in trying to troubleshoot this for her. But I am almost ready to call it quits.


From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer [mailto:godfearer@comcast.net]
To: mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 3:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA



Is NVDA in anyway affecting the screen or any key commands? I ask because when I need it to be silent I press NVDA+s to turn speech mode off. Then turn it back on with the same command pressing it until I hear 'speech mode talk'.

----- Original Message -----
From: Food Posse
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA

Definitely not Narrator running. That is purposely set to a different pitch and speed to differentiate. And Narrator shows up in Task Manager and is gone when manually turned off or through Task Manager.

I made sure not to turn on at logon as that was her preference. But even if I did, that should not prevent nvda from being manually turned off and/or auto-launch on its own.

Someone else had mentioned that a NVDA pop-up appears for admin functions like launching aps(?) but not the program itself does not auto-launch. Could something similar be happening here that is triggering the program to auto-launch in full instead of just displaying a pop-up?

I checked throughout Task Manager to see if NVDA is listed anywhere - active apps, background apps, details, startup, etc. The only time it appears in active apps is if there is a dialog or menu displayed. The only time I found it in the background apps is when I selected remind me later option for sending info.

Anything else come to mind that I haven't already tried?




From: Quentin Christensen [mailto:quentin@nvaccess.org]
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 10:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA



Something weird certainly seems to be happening - NVDA DOES appear in task manager, as any other running program does, and if you "end task" it then it closes, just like any other program or process - although pressing NVDA+Q then enter should achieve the same result.

If you have NVDA set to start on the logon screen, then as others have noted, it will pop up when you get into a secure screen, but you mentioned you didn't do that. The only thing I can think of is if the query about sending usage information isn't answered - I must admit I haven't tested that myself, I usually just say yes as soon as it comes up (you can say no and it shouldn't make a difference - it sends a little extra non-identifiable information about your system when NVDA checks for updates once a day - useful for us, but not critical).

If NVDA isn't listed in your task manager (and the little purple and white icon isn't in the notification area) then I wonder if it isn't Narrator or some other text to speech program which is running not NVDA.

We have a few users who use NVDA as you have described, on demand, enabling and disabling as needed, and I'm not aware of this being a wider problem, but I'm interested to try to get to the bottom of it now.

Quentin.


On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 2:15 PM Food Posse <allaboutfoodandfun@hotmail.com> wrote:

Thanks for the good ideas. I took a break over the holidays and then just picked it up again to try to figure it out.

To answer a previous question, she needs to be able to turn NVDA on and off whenever she wants. She is extremely proficient with keyboard shortcuts and only needs screen readers for things like reading emails, webpages, and documents where the content is unknown and without sound. Having a screen reader while she is working on music and sound editing work is counterproductive.

While experimenting, I learned that the Task Manager did not really end the task. It merely closed the welcome and quit dialogs. NVDA does not show up in the active or background processes when it is running or when it auto-launches. This at least explains why ending the task in Task Manager is not a permanent "quit". But it does not explain why NVDA continues to run after quit command and not displayed as a process.

When manually choosing OK button to close the welcome dialog, another dialog opens asking about sending data to NVDA. When I selected "Remind Me Later" option, that NVDA "reminder" appears in the background processes of the Task Manager. When I ended that reminder running in the background in task manager, NVDA does turn off and does not auto-launches. But NVDA does not appear as a background app if I did not select that reminder option but still continues to run and auto-launches.

Cleaning off the laptop, again, and reloading NVDA did not solve the problem. For some reason, NVDA is running in the background without being listed and cannot be completely turned off by the user which should not happen for any program. NVDA was running even when there are no apps listed as active in Task Manager.

As a work-around, she is set up now with two profiles, one with NVDA and one without. Having a portable version is a good idea but switching profiles was easier for her. I suspect that she will likely shift to Narrator sooner than later.

If anyone else knows why NVDA does not appear as a process, active apps or background, and why it keeps running after selecting Quit, please share but I have no further clue on my own.





From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@gmail.com]
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Friday, January 1, 2021, 10:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA


I realized today that one possible work around for the problem hasn't been discussed. Don't have an installed version of NVDA on the machine. Completely remove it. Then when running the installer file, use the create portable version and create one wherever you want on the c drive, I assume that is where you keep programs and data.

Run that program, stop it in the usual NVDA key q way, and see if it runs when it shouldn't. If you use a portable version, there will be some things that can't be done when using Windows 10. if these things don't interfere with how the person uses the machine, the problem has been worked around.


If you want to pursue other possible solutions discussed here, of course you may, but you may want to try this first.


Gene

On 12/29/2020 10:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what is causing the problem. I seem to recall seeing someone discuss the same or a similar problem a number of years ago. I don't recall if it was resolved or how. Is it necessary to use this one computer? Trying another might be the solution.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Food Posse
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 9:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA



Thank you for the troubleshooting efforts.


We did not select the option to launch NVDA at windows login. But even if it was, sounds like NVDA should not auto-launch after closing unless activated by a person. We did not change any other NVDA default settings.

So we uninstalled and reinstalled NVDA but the same thing happens - Insert+Q, dialog box open, default option is already Exit, dialog box closes but NVDA continues to read the screen. Then when forced to close through the Task Manager, NVDA still automatically relaunches at various times like launching an app.


This is a new system so it should be pretty clean. There are very few programs other than what came pre-installed with the laptop. AVG was downloaded to confirm no viruses on the computer or on the NVDA exe before we reinstalled. We even checked the startup options in the Task Manager and NVDA is not on the list. Our friend really wants NVDA but we are not sure what else to try.





On 12/28/2020 3:05 PM, Gene wrote:
I suspect the reason NVDA automatically comes on when set to run at the login screen when the secure desktop comes up may be that NVDA loads another version of itself to run when the secure desktop opens. My guess is that there is a relation between this and the setting to automatically run at the login screen. Perhaps one of the developers will discuss the matter.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 2:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 02:21 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Actually, this isn't always the case. If the option to use NVDA on the
log-on screen is checked, it annoyingly pops up on every screen that
requires administrative action, and stays there until you shut it off.-
This is news to me, and good information to have. Most of the folks I've worked with who are using NVDA have their systems set up to log them straight in to their desktops on system (re)start, so they're not using that setting.

Several don't even have any screen reader turn on initially by default, as they will choose one based on what it is they're about to work with first if one screen reader works with that software better than the other.

Other than what you document above, which I've never seen because that setting was not set, I have not encountered NVDA doing a self-restart once explicitly exited from.

There are a number of possibilities here, but if the situation you described is known to not have been set up, I still strongly recommend an uninstall and reinstall to see if that clears things up, and paying particular attention to the dialogs when installing so the way you want NVDA to behave is actually set up correctly.













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Re: Automatic language switching

Mohammed Alderweesh <alderweesh.m@...>
 

Thank you for answering my question. I will try the mentioned addons with the Acapela synthesizer.

Best. 
Mohammed 

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 6:30 PM tilahun muniye <educationbird@...> wrote:
Hi.
May be the following addon and synthesis help you.

 Dual Voice for NVDA, is an open source speech driver for NVDA screen
reader. This let use two separate voices for reading non-Latin and
Latin languages. This add-on is compatible with SAPI5 (Speech API
version 5) and MSSP (Speech Platform). This NVDA add-on need one
non-Latin and one Latin voices with common interface. Both non-Latin
and Latin voices must have Speech API...

eSpeak: speech synthesis
Text to Speech engine for English and many other languages. Compact
size with clear but artificial pronunciation. Available as a
command-line program with many options, a shared library for Linux,
and a Windows SAPI5 version.
You get them from:https://sourceforge.net/projects/espeak/and
 use eloquence sapi5 for English.


On 1/12/21, Kareen <kareen.kiwan@...> wrote:
> Hi.
> Acapela supports auto switch between English and Arabic. Just visit the
> Acapela sub menu in nvda for auto switch settings.
> Also u can try dual voice addon that does auto switch between latin and none
> latin based languages for Sapi5 TTS engines
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Re: How to turn off NVDA

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


The normal sleep command is insert+shift+s.
To stop NVDA from speaking anywhere press insert+s.Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 3:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA

I think I saw discussion long ago about how to have NVDA sleep globally but I don't see one in the quick commands reference.  Perhaps it isn't a command but some other way to achieve this.  I hope someone knowledgeable on the subject discusses this so that we know.  I hope there is a way to achieve universal sleep but I didn't find one.


Gene

On 1/13/2021 4:16 AM, Gene via groups.io wrote:

I don't think that is what is meant.  I think what is meant is does NVDA affect any program commands or ways of moving in a program compared to when it is not running?  This is generally a concern if you are a sighted user working in browse mode, but it is of little or no concern if you are a blind user.  My understanding is that browse mode changes what is shown on screen and the way you move as a sighted user. 


If the computer is only going to be used by a blind user, I don't think there will be any problems.  If the computer is going to be used both by a blind and sighted users, tthere may be and if there is a universal sleep command that works correctly, given the problem you are describing, that would be the best solution.


Gene

On 1/13/2021 3:33 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I think what was meant by the keystroke question was can you still use NVDA keystrokes even when NVDA is not "running" - NVDA doesn't prevent program keyboard shortcuts from working, it only adds to them - for instance there are a lot of NVDA keystrokes for getting around the web where there are relatively few when using a browser alone without NVDA.  I am a bit baffled, as if I'm understanding your issue correctly, I've never heard of anyone else with a similar issue, except, as previously mentioned, where a dialog box was left open (which admittedly is a bug on our part, but usually one fairly easy to notice and rectify).

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 7:37 PM Food Posse <allaboutfoodandfun@...> wrote:
I didn't notice any key commands affected by nvda but I did not test every app and keyboard shortcut. If that is the case, then she will definitely switch to Narrator. She is hugely dependent on keyboard shortcuts.
Thanks for the suggestion. I will offer it to her as another workaround to just turn off the voice as long as nvda running in the background does not slow down her work. I have learned quite a bit in trying to troubleshoot this for her. But I am almost ready to call it quits.


From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer [mailto:godfearer@...]
Date: Wednesday, January 13, 2021, 3:10 AM
Subject: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA


Is NVDA in anyway affecting the screen or any key commands? I ask because when I need it to be silent I press NVDA+s to turn speech mode off. Then turn it back on with the same command pressing it until I hear 'speech mode talk'.
----- Original Message -----
From: Food Posse
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA

Definitely not Narrator running. That is purposely set to a different pitch and speed to differentiate. And Narrator shows up in Task Manager and is gone when manually turned off or through Task Manager.

I made sure not to turn on at logon as that was her preference. But even if I did, that should not prevent nvda from being manually turned off and/or auto-launch on its own.

Someone else had mentioned that a NVDA pop-up appears for admin functions like launching aps(?) but not the program itself does not auto-launch. Could something similar be happening here that is triggering the program to auto-launch in full instead of just displaying a pop-up?

I checked throughout Task Manager to see if NVDA is listed anywhere - active apps, background apps, details, startup, etc. The only time it appears in active apps is if there is a dialog or menu displayed. The only time I found it in the background apps is when I selected remind me later option for sending info.

Anything else come to mind that I haven't already tried?



From: Quentin Christensen [mailto:quentin@...]
Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2021, 10:25 PM
Subject: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA


Something weird certainly seems to be happening - NVDA DOES appear in task manager, as any other running program does, and if you "end task" it then it closes, just like any other program or process - although pressing NVDA+Q then enter should achieve the same result.

If you have NVDA set to start on the logon screen, then as others have noted, it will pop up when you get into a secure screen, but you mentioned you didn't do that.  The only thing I can think of is if the query about sending usage information isn't answered - I must admit I haven't tested that myself, I usually just say yes as soon as it comes up (you can say no and it shouldn't make a difference - it sends a little extra non-identifiable information about your system when NVDA checks for updates once a day - useful for us, but not critical).

If NVDA isn't listed in your task manager (and the little purple and white icon isn't in the notification area) then I wonder if it isn't Narrator or some other text to speech program which is running not NVDA.

We have a few users who use NVDA as you have described, on demand, enabling and disabling as needed, and I'm not aware of this being a wider problem, but I'm interested to try to get to the bottom of it now.

Quentin.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 2:15 PM Food Posse <allaboutfoodandfun@...> wrote:
Thanks for the good ideas.  I took a break over the holidays and then just picked it up again to try to figure it out. 

To answer a previous question, she needs to be able to turn NVDA on and off whenever she wants. She is extremely proficient with keyboard shortcuts and only needs screen readers for things like reading emails, webpages, and documents where the content is unknown and without sound. Having a screen reader while she is working on music and sound editing work is counterproductive.

While experimenting, I learned that the Task Manager did not really end the task. It merely closed the welcome and quit dialogs.  NVDA does not show up in the active or background processes when it is running or when it auto-launches. This at least explains why ending the task in Task Manager is not a permanent "quit". But it does not explain why NVDA continues to run after quit command and not displayed as a process.

When manually choosing OK button to close the welcome dialog, another dialog opens asking about sending data to NVDA. When I selected "Remind Me Later" option, that NVDA "reminder" appears in the background processes of the Task Manager. When I ended that reminder running in the background in task manager, NVDA does turn off and does not auto-launches. But NVDA does not appear as a background app if I did not select that reminder option but still continues to run and auto-launches.

Cleaning off the laptop, again, and reloading NVDA did not solve the problem. For some reason, NVDA is running in the background without being listed and cannot be completely turned off by the user which should not happen for any program. NVDA was running even when there are no apps listed as active in Task Manager.

As a work-around, she is set up now with two profiles, one with NVDA and one without.   Having a portable version is a good idea but switching profiles was easier for her. I suspect that she will likely shift to Narrator sooner than later.

If anyone else knows why NVDA does not appear as a process, active apps or background, and why it keeps running after selecting Quit, please share but I have no further clue on my own.




From: Gene [mailto:gsasner@...]
Date: Friday, January 1, 2021, 10:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA


I realized today that one possible work around for the problem hasn't been discussed.  Don't have an installed version of NVDA on the machine.  Completely remove it.  Then when running the installer file, use the create portable version and create one wherever you want on the c drive, I assume that is where you keep programs and data.

Run that program, stop it in the usual NVDA key q way, and see if it runs when it shouldn't.  If you use a portable version, there will be some things that can't be done when using Windows 10.  if these things don't interfere with how the person uses the machine, the problem has been worked around.


If you want to pursue other possible solutions discussed here, of course you may, but you may want to try this first.


Gene

On 12/29/2020 10:09 AM, Gene wrote:
I don't know what is causing the problem.  I seem to recall seeing someone discuss the same or a similar problem a number of years ago.  I don't recall if it was resolved or how.  Is it necessary to use this one computer? Trying another might be the solution.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Food Posse
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 9:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA



Thank you for the troubleshooting efforts.


We did not select the option to launch NVDA at windows login. But even if it was, sounds like NVDA should not auto-launch after closing unless activated by a person. We did not change any other NVDA default settings.

So we uninstalled and reinstalled NVDA but the same thing happens - Insert+Q, dialog box open, default option is already Exit, dialog box closes but NVDA continues to read the screen. Then when forced to close through the Task Manager, NVDA still automatically relaunches at various times like launching an app.


This is a new system so it should be pretty clean. There are very few programs other than what came pre-installed with the laptop. AVG was downloaded to confirm no viruses on the computer or on the NVDA exe before we reinstalled. We even checked the startup options in the Task Manager and NVDA is not on the list. Our friend really wants NVDA but we are not sure what else to try.





On 12/28/2020 3:05 PM, Gene wrote:
I suspect the reason NVDA automatically comes on when set to run at the login screen when the secure desktop comes up may be that NVDA loads another version of itself to run when the secure desktop opens.  My guess is that there is a relation between this and the setting to automatically run at the login screen.  Perhaps one of the developers will discuss the matter.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 2:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA

On Mon, Dec 28, 2020 at 02:21 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Actually, this isn't always the case. If the option to use NVDA on the
log-on screen is checked, it annoyingly pops up on every screen that
requires administrative action, and stays there until you shut it off.-
This is news to me, and good information to have.  Most of the folks I've worked with who are using NVDA have their systems set up to log them straight in to their desktops on system (re)start, so they're not using that setting.

Several don't even have any screen reader turn on initially by default, as they will choose one based on what it is they're about to work with first if one screen reader works with that software better than the other.

Other than what you document above, which I've never seen because that setting was not set, I have not encountered NVDA doing a self-restart once explicitly exited from.

There are a number of possibilities here, but if the situation you described is known to not have been set up, I still strongly recommend an uninstall and reinstall to see if that clears things up, and paying particular attention to the dialogs when installing so the way you want NVDA to behave is actually set up correctly.










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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Re: more Zoom issues

Sim Kah Yong
 

The latest Zoom Client has solved the problem of not reading out the participants namelist by NVDA.

To update your Zoom Client:

1. Open the Zoom Client.

2. Tab till you land on your zoom account name.

3. Press spacebar

4.  Up arrow till "check for update".

Hope this helps.

On 1/13/2021 8:34 AM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
Hi all,
So, since Zoom has come up on the list twice today, I figured I'd
throw in something else. About three weeks ago, someone wrote to the
list saying that NVDA does not read all participants in the list, and
I did quite a bit of testing on this. The last we heard however, was
that it appeared to have been fixed in the latest version of Zoom. I
checked in a call the other day though, and it still acts the same
way. How do I check if there is an update for Zoom to see if this has
in fact been fixed? Zoom hasn't tried to update to my knowledge in
quite some time, though it might happen in the background.
Bob



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