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Re: Windows 10 native Mail app

Gene
 

Install the NVDA Windows 10 appessentials add-on.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/wintenApps.en.html

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Williams
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 1:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 native Mail app

Hi all, recently returned to windows from a Macbook which I never really got on with. Using the native app for mail, going to the list of emails I have received I press enter to open one. I am only then able to read it line by line by holding down the control Key and using the down arrow. If I just use the down arrow key it reads the same line over and over. Is this an issue with NVDA, is there a keyboard command I am using wrongly or missing? The mail app does seem to be a bit fiddly but I don’t know whether it’s Windows 10 problem or a NVDA problem. is there a specific NVDA list of keystrokes to use within the mail app? Grateful for your help.
Brian


Re: Windows 10 native Mail app

Ian Westerland
 

Hello Brian, use the NVDA key instead of the Control key with the Down Arrow key. You should then be able to read a whole Email.

I hope this works for you.

Best regards

Ian Westerland

On 1/14/2021 6:49 PM, Brian Williams wrote:
Hi all, recently returned to windows from a Macbook which I never really got on with. Using the native app for mail, going to the list of emails I have received I press enter to open one. I am only then able to read it line by line by holding down the control Key and using the down arrow. If I just use the down arrow key it reads the same line over and over. Is this an issue with NVDA, is there a keyboard command I am using wrongly or missing? The mail app does seem to be a bit fiddly but I don’t know whether it’s Windows 10 problem or a NVDA problem. is there a specific NVDA list of keystrokes to use within the mail app? Grateful for your help.
Brian


Windows 10 native Mail app

Brian Williams
 

Hi all, recently returned to windows from a Macbook which I never really got on with. Using the native app for mail, going to the list of emails I have received I press enter to open one. I am only then able to read it line by line by holding down the control Key and using the down arrow. If I just use the down arrow key it reads the same line over and over. Is this an issue with NVDA, is there a keyboard command I am using wrongly or missing? The mail app does seem to be a bit fiddly but I don’t know whether it’s Windows 10 problem or a NVDA problem. is there a specific NVDA list of keystrokes to use within the mail app? Grateful for your help.
Brian


In-process available

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

The first In-Process for 2021 has been released! Featuring news on NVDA 2020.4 beta 4, GitHub sponsorship, and adding a new Windows OneCore voice: 

Kind regards

Quentin.
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Re: Setting column headers to read in Excel

Jeff Samco
 

Thanks for the tip. I never picked up on the subtlety that clearing header info requires pressing NVDA+Shift+C or R twice quickly. I had interpretted the instruction as pressing it a second time. Now it works like I expect for clearing the heading setting.
Thanks,
Jeff


At 04:47 PM 1/13/2021, you wrote:
There isn't a "clear all" command, but if you go back to where you set the headers, you can press NVDA+shift+c (or NVDA+shift+r for row headers) and press the command twice quickly to remove the set header.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:22 AM Jeff Samco <jsamco@...> wrote:
Thank you for correcting my using the wrong key combination. Funny thing, the right key combo actually works!*grin*
A second question:  On a  spreadsheet  on which I am trying to set a row of  column headers to read. When I am in the first cell of the row, and when I press NVDA+Shift_C it tells me the headers  are already set at those cell coordinates. Subsequent pressing of NVDA+Shift+C just repeats the same announcement.
Is there a way of just clearing all column and row  announcement "markers" so I can start from scratch?
Thanks, again,
Jeff

At 02:54 PM 1/13/2021, you wrote:
Per section 11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide:
After moving to the first cell in the column or row containing the headers, use one of the following commands:
Name

Key

Description

Set column headers

NVDA+shift+c

Pressing this once tells NVDA this is the first header cell in the row that contains column headers, which should be automatically announced when moving between columns below this row. Pressing twice will clear the setting.

Set row headers

NVDA+shift+r

Pressing this once tells NVDA this is the first header cell in the column that contains row headers, which should be automatically announced when moving between rows after this column. Pressing twice will clear the setting.

These settings will be stored in the workbook as defined name ranges compatible with other screen readers such as JAWS. This means that users of other screen readers who open this workbook at a later date will automatically have the row and column headers already set.


Re: While reading doc or web page NVDA announces the command which has been performed– how to silence it?

vasu prathap
 

hei,
It worked for me. Thanks' a lot.

On 1/14/21, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hello.
press insert+4 or turn off
Speak command keys in keyboard settings and press enter to save the
settings.

On 1/13/21, vasu prathap <vasuprathap07@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi friends,
I am Prathap new to this group and hope all are fine.
My query regarding NVDA is that while navigating the word or doc or any
other application, NVDA speaks out commands such as control plus down
arrow,
control plus up arrow, control plus left arrow etc. For example, if I
navigate to next paragraph, NVDA speaks control plus down arrow, then it
reads the paragraph. Is there any settings in
NVDA or add-ons for silencing such announcement while reading? Please
guide
me.
Thanks in advance.






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I would not do it.
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Re: cloning a drive accessibly

Jason White
 

On 1/13/21 6:57 PM, Dan Miner via groups.io wrote:
I had this very similar problem about two months ago but I wanted the entire system (including the OS). I was just upgrading my SSD to a larger capacity. However, it sounds like you just have a big pile of files. If you're comfortable with the command line , I've heard lots of good things about robocopy.
I used it at one point, and it worked as expected. I've forgotten the syntax, so you would need to look that up.

Myself, I would be in a WSL2 terminal and using rsync most likely since I know the tool very well and it generally resumes beautifully when things go wrong as seems inevitable for large copies.
I agree. I'm much more comfortable with the BASH shell than with Windows PowerShell. You would need to check the rsync command line options to make sure you copied the NTFS metadata correctly.

If you really do need a copy of an entire drive, then booting to a Linux distribution such as GRML and running Clonezilla would be accessible and definitely works - I've done that in the past.


Re: Setting column headers to read in Excel

Quentin Christensen
 

There isn't a "clear all" command, but if you go back to where you set the headers, you can press NVDA+shift+c (or NVDA+shift+r for row headers) and press the command twice quickly to remove the set header.


On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:22 AM Jeff Samco <jsamco@...> wrote:
Thank you for correcting my using the wrong key combination. Funny thing, the right key combo actually works!*grin*
A second question:  On a  spreadsheet  on which I am trying to set a row of  column headers to read. When I am in the first cell of the row, and when I press NVDA+Shift_C it tells me the headers  are already set at those cell coordinates. Subsequent pressing of NVDA+Shift+C just repeats the same announcement.
Is there a way of just clearing all column and row  announcement "markers" so I can start from scratch?
Thanks, again,
Jeff

At 02:54 PM 1/13/2021, you wrote:
Per section 11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide:

After moving to the first cell in the column or row containing the headers, use one of the following commands:

Name

Key

Description

Set column headers

NVDA+shift+c

Pressing this once tells NVDA this is the first header cell in the row that contains column headers, which should be automatically announced when moving between columns below this row. Pressing twice will clear the setting.

Set row headers

NVDA+shift+r

Pressing this once tells NVDA this is the first header cell in the column that contains row headers, which should be automatically announced when moving between rows after this column. Pressing twice will clear the setting.

These settings will be stored in the workbook as defined name ranges compatible with other screen readers such as JAWS. This means that users of other screen readers who open this workbook at a later date will automatically have the row and column headers already set.


Re: hosting zoom

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

I am very sorry for your loss.

Your message is, indeed, off-topic for this list, but it would not be for the NVDA chat subgroup, nor for general tech lists such as blindtechguys+subscribe@... or for the BlindTech and TechTalk lists on Groups.io. Nonetheless, I am going to answer your questions in-line below.

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 4:26 PM Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi list. I know this might not be the place to ask here. Shoot me  if this is off topic. Is it easy to host any zoom meetings?

Yes, it is.

  I had a death in the family. Nobody can get together. I did ask my small community if anybody knows how to use Zoom.  I’ve used it but never hosted a meeting. If you can do it. Do you  have to pay for it or is it for free?

It is free for up to 40 minutes if you have more than three people in a meeting. Otherwise, you must pay. You can always use alternatives such as Google Meet, although it will give you less control than Zoom for the free account.

If it is for free. How many people can you have in your meeting?

You can have up to 100 participants, but as I said above, anything more than three people, and your time limit will be 40 minutes.

  Thanks. 

 

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hosting zoom

Arlene
 

Hi list. I know this might not be the place to ask here. Shoot me  if this is off topic. Is it easy to host any zoom meetings?  I had a death in the family. Nobody can get together. I did ask my small community if anybody knows how to use Zoom.  I’ve used it but never hosted a meeting. If you can do it. Do you  have to pay for it or is it for free? If it is for free. How many people can you have in your meeting?  Thanks. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Setting column headers to read in Excel

Jeff Samco
 

Thank you for correcting my using the wrong key combination. Funny thing, the right key combo actually works!*grin*
A second question:  On a  spreadsheet  on which I am trying to set a row of  column headers to read. When I am in the first cell of the row, and when I press NVDA+Shift_C it tells me the headers  are already set at those cell coordinates. Subsequent pressing of NVDA+Shift+C just repeats the same announcement.
Is there a way of just clearing all column and row  announcement "markers" so I can start from scratch?
Thanks, again,
Jeff


At 02:54 PM 1/13/2021, you wrote:
Per section 11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide:

After moving to the first cell in the column or row containing the headers, use one of the following commands:

Name

Key

Description

Set column headers

NVDA+shift+c

Pressing this once tells NVDA this is the first header cell in the row that contains column headers, which should be automatically announced when moving between columns below this row. Pressing twice will clear the setting.

Set row headers

NVDA+shift+r

Pressing this once tells NVDA this is the first header cell in the column that contains row headers, which should be automatically announced when moving between rows after this column. Pressing twice will clear the setting.

These settings will be stored in the workbook as defined name ranges compatible with other screen readers such as JAWS. This means that users of other screen readers who open this workbook at a later date will automatically have the row and column headers already set.


Re: cloning a drive accessibly

Dan Miner
 

I had this very similar problem about two months ago but I wanted the entire system (including the OS). I was just upgrading my SSD to a larger capacity. However, it sounds like you just have a big pile of files. If you're comfortable with the command line , I've heard lots of good things about robocopy. Myself, I would be in a WSL2 terminal and using rsync most likely since I know the tool very well and it generally resumes beautifully when things go wrong as seems inevitable for large copies.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] cloning a drive accessibly

Hi.

Since I have some cash to burn after christmas and since my portable drives are aging, I thought I'd do a transfer of content and get a new drive.

Now, how easy is it to clone that drive or transfer it over.

Previously I have done that manually via explorer and while that works it takes ages.

Also explorer and the large sizes of things mean that the system is not as stable as it could be doing massive file opperations.

So what is the most accessible way with nvda to clone the drives over.

I want to transfer all folders etc over.

I will be putting things to a bigger drive, so I don't want to copy an exact copy of the partition record just the files and sub folders over with all contents obviously.

I also want to be able to select everything on that drive aI am doing transfer to, but deselect things I don't want, one of the drives has older backup data for another system which I no longer need, is there an easy way to handle that.

Shaun


Re: Setting column headers to read in Excel

Sascha Cowley
 

Per section 11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide:

After moving to the first cell in the column or row containing the headers, use one of the following commands:

Name

Key

Description

Set column headers

NVDA+shift+c

Pressing this once tells NVDA this is the first header cell in the row that contains column headers, which should be automatically announced when moving between columns below this row. Pressing twice will clear the setting.

Set row headers

NVDA+shift+r

Pressing this once tells NVDA this is the first header cell in the column that contains row headers, which should be automatically announced when moving between rows after this column. Pressing twice will clear the setting.

These settings will be stored in the workbook as defined name ranges compatible with other screen readers such as JAWS. This means that users of other screen readers who open this workbook at a later date will automatically have the row and column headers already set.


Setting column headers to read in Excel

Jeff Samco
 

I'm in an Excel workbook and trying to set column headers to read when arrow cell-to-cell across a row below the header label row. I believe the NVDA command is NVDA+Ctrl+C. However, when pressing this key combination NVDA announces "configuration saved." This happens regardless of using the left hand Caps Lock combo or the right hand Insert on NumPad. Can someone straighten me out?
Thanks,
Jeff


Re: beta 3 and closing programs

Gene
 

I don't know if a program can still have processes running in the background and not show up in the task manager list of running programs. But if you look in the processes part of the dialog and don't show the process for Thunderbird, as far as I know it isn't running. I don't know what you are describing in terms of where you use the appliccations key and where you use the refresh command.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 3:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs



Good Afternoon: It's possible that something is running in the background after closing Thunder Bird by all means. I have closed Thunder Bird and it doesn't respond as being completely closed. If I press the application key, and go down to refresh, and press enter, then it's closed. However, until it is refreshed, it just sits there. It doesn't happen everytime.

Dave




On 1/9/2021 9:03 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I won't say that NVDA is not at play here, because it could be, but ALT+F4 is not an NVDA command, and not tied to NVDA in any way. It's a Windows command that the program window with focus when it's issued responds to. If Thunderbird continues to be "hanging about" with something running in the background, probabilities are that it's not NVDA causing this.

I have asked on a tech geek group specifically for professional techs I haunt whether there is a handy PowerShell and/or Command Prompt command or pipe sequence that would allow someone to zero in on whether a process or cluster of processes of a given name are running. It is my understanding that both Task Manager and Process Monitor are, while not strictly speaking inaccessible, not exactly anywhere near to easy to use with a screen reader.
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Re: NVDA does not read "about Word" in Word 2019

Ann Byrne
 

No.

At 01:09 PM 1/13/2021, you wrote:
And if you don't have Narrator running and alt tab away and then alt tab back, does NVDA speak?

Gene

-----Original Message----- From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read "about Word" in Word 2019

NVDA is stopped. I

changing apps it is still silent. However, if I activate Narrator,
alt-tab away, alt-tab back, deactivate narrator, NVDA wstarts talking again.

I don't know why N/vDA is freezing or what is actually freezing in NVDA or your synthesizer. How do you start speech with NVDA again? You could try a different synthesizer. also, have you seen what happens if you try to leave the NVDA window by, for example, going to the desktop> does NVDA resume speaking then?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 9:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA does not read "about Word" in Word 2019

Word 2019; windows 10 latest. Trying to get the current version of
MS Word, I press alt-f, then d, then a; or alt-f, then tab to "about"
and press enter. With either alternative, NVDA locks up, stops
speaking. Narrator reads the 'about' information, but I can't copy it.
I can read the version with JAWS and copy it to speech history.

How can I get NVDA to read this happily?

Thx,















Re: beta 3 and closing programs

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Afternoon:  It's possible that something is running in the background after closing Thunder Bird by all means.  I have closed Thunder Bird and it doesn't respond as being completely closed.  If I press the application key, and go down to refresh, and press enter, then it's closed.  However, until it is refreshed, it just sits there.  It doesn't happen everytime.

Dave


On 1/9/2021 9:03 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I won't say that NVDA is not at play here, because it could be, but ALT+F4 is not an NVDA command, and not tied to NVDA in any way.  It's a Windows command that the program window with focus when it's issued responds to.  If Thunderbird continues to be "hanging about" with something running in the background, probabilities are that it's not NVDA causing this.

I have asked on a tech geek group specifically for professional techs I haunt whether there is a handy PowerShell and/or Command Prompt command or pipe sequence that would allow someone to zero in on whether a process or cluster of processes of a given name are running.  It is my understanding that both Task Manager and Process Monitor are, while not strictly speaking inaccessible, not exactly anywhere near to easy to use with a screen reader.
--

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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: beta 3 and closing programs

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Afternoon Don:  Did you check to see if anything in notifications had changed with the bata version of NVDA to the running version?

Dave

On 1/9/2021 8:15 AM, Don H wrote:
I have uninstalled the beta 3 and gone back to NVDA 2020-3 and the issue is resolved with no new email announcements coming with thunderbird closed.  Would appear that the beta is the issue.

On 1/9/2021 9:06 AM, Gene wrote:
Perhaps the beta is announcing information from elsewhere.  Try closing Thunderbird while the beta is running.  Then switch to an earlier version. See if you hear announcements in the earlier version.  That will help determine if the beta is not allowing part of the program to close properly or if it is getting information from somewhere else.

Gene
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs

I can't specifically say this is a beta 3 issue but only started
happening after installing NVDA 2020-4 beta 3.
I am using the latest version of Win 10 and Thunderbird.  After using
Thunderbird I use alt f4 to close the program.  It appears that
thunderbird closes as it should.  I have thunderbird set to announce new
mail.  The strange thing is that with Thunderbird not open I still get
announcements of new Email which tells me that Thunderbird was not
closed properly when using alt f4 to close it.  Thunderbird is not
showing in the system tray or on the task bar when these announcements
are announced and I must open Thunderbird by using the icon on the desktop.














Re: beta 3 and closing programs

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Afternoon:  This may not be the case.  At times Thunder Bird doesn't close and you have to use the applications key and hit the e key or arrow down to refresh and hit enter.  Another question here, does the windows key + w close the Thunder Bird application or not.

Dave

On 1/9/2021 8:06 AM, Gene wrote:
Perhaps the beta is announcing information from elsewhere.  Try closing Thunderbird while the beta is running.  Then switch to an earlier version. See if you hear announcements in the earlier version. That will help determine if the beta is not allowing part of the program to close properly or if it is getting information from somewhere else.

Gene
From: Don H
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2021 8:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs

I can't specifically say this is a beta 3 issue but only started
happening after installing NVDA 2020-4 beta 3.
I am using the latest version of Win 10 and Thunderbird.  After using
Thunderbird I use alt f4 to close the program.  It appears that
thunderbird closes as it should.  I have thunderbird set to announce new
mail.  The strange thing is that with Thunderbird not open I still get
announcements of new Email which tells me that Thunderbird was not
closed properly when using alt f4 to close it.  Thunderbird is not
showing in the system tray or on the task bar when these announcements
are announced and I must open Thunderbird by using the icon on the desktop.









Re: NVDA does not read "about Word" in Word 2019

Gene
 

And if you don't have Narrator running and alt tab away and then alt tab back, does NVDA speak?

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 12:40 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA does not read "about Word" in Word 2019

NVDA is stopped. I

changing apps it is still silent. However, if I activate Narrator,
alt-tab away, alt-tab back, deactivate narrator, NVDA wstarts talking again.

I don't know why N/vDA is freezing or what is actually freezing in NVDA or your synthesizer. How do you start speech with NVDA again? You could try a different synthesizer. also, have you seen what happens if you try to leave the NVDA window by, for example, going to the desktop> does NVDA resume speaking then?

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 9:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA does not read "about Word" in Word 2019

Word 2019; windows 10 latest. Trying to get the current version of
MS Word, I press alt-f, then d, then a; or alt-f, then tab to "about"
and press enter. With either alternative, NVDA locks up, stops
speaking. Narrator reads the 'about' information, but I can't copy it.
I can read the version with JAWS and copy it to speech history.

How can I get NVDA to read this happily?

Thx,








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