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Re: An accessible way to sign document with NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

I cannot, at least not from a company perspective. you will get a link with instructions when you need to sign documents with docuscign. it is made by adobe by the way. so. google docuscign and adobe. You might need aira if you are signing via adobe pdf form filler, especially if the form is not accessible.

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On 14 Jan 2021, at 2:34, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:

Hello Sarah,

Could you please give more information on docusign, where to find it and how it works with NVDA?

What do you mean with “You might need aira for the rest though.”

Thank you for your response.

Best

Sylvie

De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Sarah k Alawami via groups.io
Envoyé : mardi 12 janvier 2021 17:18
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] An accessible way to sign document with NVDA

 

I've used docusign. It works grate. You might need aira for the rest though.

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On 12 Jan 2021, at 0:26, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:

Hello everyone,

Does anyone have experienced signing documents with NVDA?

I tried the sign document in Word but it does not seem to find the certificate.

In Adobe, I tried to use the sign document function, but when you activate the button, there is no feedback from NVDA.

If you have any hints except adding a jpg of your hand written signature, it would be helpful.

Best

Sylvie


Re: muting

Gene
 

The person didn't have sound. I don't think it’s a good idea to just ;press keys with no screen-reader information to tell you what the key is doing. My method allows sound to be unmuted regardless of what keys do what if you are only using one sound card and the sound is muted. After that, it might be something of interest to try different keys. But other people would have to comment on whether this is a good idea or if you might have unanticipated problems. I've never had a keyboarde with such keys.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 12:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] muting

Good Morning: This person said they were using a desktop computer. I
have found by experience there are keys on the keyboard for the sound.
If there are any keys on the keyboard that you aren't aware of what they
do, try pressing and see what they do. The present keyboard I am using
has a sound on/off, sound up and sound down key here. Several years
ago, I had another keyboard that had keys to use with sound.

Dave


On 1/10/2021 5:44 AM, Gene wrote:
Do the following:
Issue the command Windows key r. Hold the Windows key and type r.
The run dialog opens.
Type sndvol and press enter.
The Windows volume control dialog will open.
Tab once. You are on the mute speakers button, though it presumably says unmute when the speakers are muted.
Press the space bar. Test with something like NVDA key t to read the title bar to see if you have speech.

Try this when you have speech to make sure things are set up as expected. Don't mute the speakers, in other words tab to see if you land on the button, then when you hear where you are, close the volume control dialog with alt f4. If you unmute sound in this way in the future, once you use space and get sound back, close the dialog with alt f4. There is no ok button and settings changes take immediate effect.

I would advise getting a cheap USB sound card, you can get them for less than 10 American dollars, for emergencies when you lose speech and can't get it back, which is unlikely but which may happen. Using the external sound card will give you speech until you solve the problem, assuming it is solvable by changing settings, which it likely will be. In case the problem is more serious, such as a hardware failure, you will have speech with no interruption in your use of the computer and can continue to use the external sound card.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Neil Campbell
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] muting







Hello Everyone



I am using NVDA with Windows 10 on a desk top computer, and suddenly lost the NVDA voice. I tried to start NVDA again with control alt n which did not work, and also tried to start Windows Narrator which did not work too . I thought I may have muted the sound, so pressed F7 which had no effect. I got the assistance of a sighted person who said that there was a big cross through a speaker on the bottom of the screen which he clicked the mouse on and sound came back. Is there any way I can turn the sound back on myself using quick keystrokes. I have no sight at all.



Neil












Re: muting

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Morning:  This person said they were using a desktop computer.  I have found by experience there are keys on the keyboard for the sound.  If there are any keys on the keyboard that you aren't aware of what they do, try pressing and see what they do.  The present keyboard I am using has a sound on/off, sound up and sound down key here.  Several years ago, I had another keyboard that had keys to use with sound.

Dave

On 1/10/2021 5:44 AM, Gene wrote:
Do the following:
Issue the command Windows key r.  Hold the Windows key and type r.
The run dialog opens.
Type sndvol and press enter.
The Windows volume control dialog will open.
Tab once. You are on the mute speakers button, though it presumably says unmute when the speakers are muted.
Press the space bar.  Test with something like NVDA key t to read the title bar to see if you have speech.

Try this when you have speech to make sure things are set up as expected. Don't mute the speakers, in other words tab to see if you land on the button, then when you hear where you are, close the volume control dialog with alt f4.  If you unmute sound in this way in the future, once you use space and get sound back, close the dialog with alt f4.  There is no ok button and settings changes take immediate effect.

I would advise getting a cheap USB sound card, you can get them for less than     10 American dollars, for emergencies when you lose speech and can't get it back, which is unlikely but which may happen.  Using the external sound card will give you speech until you solve the problem, assuming it is solvable by changing settings, which it likely will be.  In case the problem is more serious, such as a hardware failure, you will have speech with no interruption in your use of the computer and can continue to use the external sound card.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Neil Campbell
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] muting







Hello Everyone



I am using NVDA with Windows 10 on a desk top computer, and suddenly lost the NVDA voice.  I tried to start NVDA again with control alt n which did not work, and also tried to start Windows Narrator which did not work too . I thought I may have muted the sound, so pressed F7 which had no effect.  I got the assistance of a sighted person who said that there was a big cross through a speaker on the bottom of the screen which he clicked the mouse on and sound came back.  Is there any way I can turn the sound back on myself using quick keystrokes.  I have no sight at all.



Neil











Re: Setting column headers to read in Excel

Kerryn Gunness
 

It’s NVDA key, shift and seek


On 13 Jan 2021, at 6:54 PM, Sascha Cowley via groups.io <sascha.camille@...> wrote:

Per section 11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide:

After moving to the first cell in the column or row containing the headers, use one of the following commands:

Name

Key

Description

Set column headers

NVDA+shift+c

Pressing this once tells NVDA this is the first header cell in the row that contains column headers, which should be automatically announced when moving between columns below this row. Pressing twice will clear the setting.

Set row headers

NVDA+shift+r

Pressing this once tells NVDA this is the first header cell in the column that contains row headers, which should be automatically announced when moving between rows after this column. Pressing twice will clear the setting.

These settings will be stored in the workbook as defined name ranges compatible with other screen readers such as JAWS. This means that users of other screen readers who open this workbook at a later date will automatically have the row and column headers already set.


Re: An accessible way to sign document with NVDA

Clement Chou
 

Yeah, I'd be interested in more details regarding docusign as well!

On 1/14/21, Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@access42.net> wrote:
Hello Sarah,
Could you please give more information on docusign, where to find it and how
it works with NVDA?

What do you mean with "You might need aira for the rest though."

Thank you for your response.

Best

Sylvie
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Sarah k Alawami
via groups.io
Envoyé : mardi 12 janvier 2021 17:18
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] An accessible way to sign document with NVDA


I've used docusign. It works grate. You might need aira for the rest
though.

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On 12 Jan 2021, at 0:26, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:

Hello everyone,

Does anyone have experienced signing documents with NVDA?

I tried the sign document in Word but it does not seem to find the
certificate.

In Adobe, I tried to use the sign document function, but when you activate
the button, there is no feedback from NVDA.

If you have any hints except adding a jpg of your hand written signature, it
would be helpful.

Best

Sylvie







Re: cloning a drive accessibly

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Richard

Robocopy  is available with Windows 10 operating system.  To know more about Robocopy, please open the command prompt and type Robocopy /? in the command line.

Also go through information from this link.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc733145.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Richard Kuzma via groups.io
Sent: 14 January 2021 13:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] cloning a drive accessibly

 

Sounds nice,

Where can we get this utility please?

Thanks

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] cloning a drive accessibly

 

Hi

Robocopy is very good and can be configured to produce a report of what has been copied.  I use it to back up my Document and Music folders to a USB drive.  It is a Windows utility that has been around for years so will not be the quickest but there are many config options as can be seen below:

 

Robocopy - Copies file data.

Syntax

Copy

robocopy <Source> <Destination> [<File>[ ...]] [<Options>]

Parameters

Parameter

Description

<Source>

Specifies the path to the source directory.

<Destination>

Specifies the path to the destination directory.

<File>

Specifies the file or files to be copied. You can use wildcard characters (* or ?), if you want. If the File parameter is not specified, *.* is used as the default value.

<Options>

Specifies options to be used with the robocopy command.

Copy options

Option

Description

/s

Copies subdirectories. Note that this option excludes empty directories.

/e

Copies subdirectories. Note that this option includes empty directories. For additional information, see Remarks.

/lev:<N>

Copies only the top N levels of the source directory tree.

/z

Copies files in Restart mode.

/b

Copies files in Backup mode.

/zb

Uses Restart mode. If access is denied, this option uses Backup mode.

/efsraw

Copies all encrypted files in EFS RAW mode.

/copy:<CopyFlags>

Specifies the file properties to be copied. The following are the valid values for this option:

D  Data

A  Attributes

T  Time stamps

S  NTFS access control list (ACL)

O  Owner information

U  Auditing information

The default value for CopyFlags is DAT (data, attributes, and time stamps).

/dcopy:T

Copies directory time stamps.

/sec

Copies files with security (equivalent to /copy:DAT).

/copyall

Copies all file information (equivalent to /copy:DATSOU).

/nocopy

Copies no file information (useful with /purge).

/secfix

Fixes file security on all files, even skipped ones.

/timfix

Fixes file times on all files, even skipped ones.

/purge

Deletes destination files and directories that no longer exist in the source. For additional information, see Remarks.

/mir

Mirrors a directory tree (equivalent to /e plus /purge). For additional information, see Remarks.

/mov

Moves files, and deletes them from the source after they are copied.

/move

Moves files and directories, and deletes them from the source after they are copied.

/a+:[RASHCNET]

Adds the specified attributes to copied files.

/a-:[RASHCNET]

Removes the specified attributes from copied files.

/create

Creates a directory tree and zero-length files only.

/fat

Creates destination files by using 8.3 character-length FAT file names only.

/256

Turns off support for very long paths (longer than 256 characters).

/mon:<N>

Monitors the source, and runs again when more than N changes are detected.

/mot:<M>

Monitors source, and runs again in M minutes if changes are detected.

/MT[:N]

Creates multi-threaded copies with N threads. N must be an integer between 1 and 128. The default value for N is 8.

The /MT parameter cannot be used with the /IPG and /EFSRAW parameters.

Redirect output using /LOG option for better performance.

System_CAPS_noteNote

The /MT parameter applies to Windows Server 2008 R2 and Windows 7.

/rh:hhmm-hhmm

Specifies run times when new copies may be started.

/pf

Checks run times on a per-file (not per-pass) basis.

/ipg:n

Specifies the inter-packet gap to free bandwidth on slow lines.

/sl

Copies the symbolic link instead of the target.

System_CAPS_importantImportant

When using the /SECFIX copy option, specify the type of security information you want to copy by also using one of these additional copy options:

/COPYALL

/COPY:O

/COPY:S

/COPY:U

/SEC

File selection options

Option

Description

/a

Copies only files for which the Archive attribute is set.

/m

Copies only files for which the Archive attribute is set, and resets the Archive attribute.

/ia:[RASHCNETO]

Includes only files for which any of the specified attributes are set.

/xa:[RASHCNETO]

Excludes files for which any of the specified attributes are set.

/xf <FileName>[ ...]

Excludes files that match the specified names or paths. Note that FileName can include wildcard characters (* and ?).

/xd <Directory>[ ...]

Excludes directories that match the specified names and paths.

/xct

Excludes changed files.

/xn

Excludes newer files.

/xo

Excludes older files.

/xx

Excludes extra files and directories.

/xl

Excludes "lonely" files and directories.

/is

Includes the same files.

/it

Includes "tweaked" files.

/max:<N>

Specifies the maximum file size (to exclude files bigger than N bytes).

/min:<N>

Specifies the minimum file size (to exclude files smaller than N bytes).

/maxage:<N>

Specifies the maximum file age (to exclude files older than N days or date).

/minage:<N>

Specifies the minimum file age (exclude files newer than N days or date).

/maxlad:<N>

Specifies the maximum last access date (excludes files unused since N).

/minlad:<N>

Specifies the minimum last access date (excludes files used since N) If N is less than 1900, N specifies the number of days. Otherwise, N specifies a date in the format YYYYMMDD.

/xj

Excludes junction points, which are normally included by default.

/fft

Assumes FAT file times (two-second precision).

/dst

Compensates for one-hour DST time differences.

/xjd

Excludes junction points for directories.

/xjf

Excludes junction points for files.

Retry options

Option

Description

/r:<N>

Specifies the number of retries on failed copies. The default value of N is 1,000,000 (one million retries).

/w:<N>

Specifies the wait time between retries, in seconds. The default value of N is 30  (wait time 30 seconds).

/reg

Saves the values specified in the /r and /w options as default settings in the registry.

/tbd

Specifies that the system will wait for share names to be defined (retry error 67).

Logging options

Option

Description

/l

Specifies that files are to be listed only (and not copied, deleted, or time stamped).

/x

Reports all extra files, not just those that are selected.

/v

Produces verbose output, and shows all skipped files.

/ts

Includes source file time stamps in the output.

/fp

Includes the full path names of the files in the output.

/bytes

Prints sizes, as bytes.

/ns

Specifies that file sizes are not to be logged.

/nc

Specifies that file classes are not to be logged.

/nfl

Specifies that file names are not to be logged.

/ndl

Specifies that directory names are not to be logged.

/np

Specifies that the progress of the copying operation (the number of files or directories copied so far) will not be displayed.

/eta

Shotws the estimated time of arrival (ETA) of the copied files.

/log:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file (overwrites the existing log file).

/log+:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file (appends the output to the existing log file).

/unicode

Displays the status output as Unicode text.

/unilog:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file as Unicode text (overwrites the existing log file).

/unilog+:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file as Unicode text (appends the output to the existing log file).

/tee

Writes the status output to the console window, as well as to the log file.

/njh

Specifies that there is no job header.

/njs

Specifies that there is no job summary.

Job options

Option

Description

/job:<JobName>

Specifies that parameters are to be derived from the named job file.

/save:<JobName>

Specifies that parameters are to be saved to the named job file.

/quit

Quits after processing command line (to view parameters).

/nosd

Indicates that no source directory is specified.

/nodd

Indicates that no destination directory is specified.

/if

Includes the specified files.

Remarks

The /mir option is equivalent to the /e plus /purge options with one small difference in behavior:

With the /e plus /purge options, if the destination directory exists, the destination directory security settings are not overwritten.

With the /mir option, if the destination directory exists, the destination directory security settings are overwritten.   

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: 13 January 2021 19:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] cloning a drive accessibly

 

Hi.

 

Since I have some cash to burn after christmas and since my portable

drives are aging, I thought I'd do a transfer of content and get a new

drive.

 

Now, how easy is it to clone that drive or transfer it over.

 

Previously I have done that manually via explorer and while that works

it takes ages.

 

Also explorer and the large sizes of things mean that the system is not

as stable as it could be doing massive file opperations.

 

So what is the most accessible way with nvda to clone the drives over.

 

I want to transfer all folders etc over.

 

I will be putting things to a bigger drive, so I don't want to copy an

exact copy of the partition record just the files and sub folders over

with all contents obviously.

 

I also want to be able to select everything on that drive aI am doing

transfer to, but deselect things I don't want, one of the drives has

older backup data for another system which I no longer need, is there an

easy way to handle that.

 

Shaun

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: cloning a drive accessibly

Richard Kuzma
 

Sounds nice,

Where can we get this utility please?

Thanks

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] cloning a drive accessibly

 

Hi

Robocopy is very good and can be configured to produce a report of what has been copied.  I use it to back up my Document and Music folders to a USB drive.  It is a Windows utility that has been around for years so will not be the quickest but there are many config options as can be seen below:

 

Robocopy - Copies file data.

Syntax

Copy

robocopy <Source> <Destination> [<File>[ ...]] [<Options>]

Parameters

Parameter

Description

<Source>

Specifies the path to the source directory.

<Destination>

Specifies the path to the destination directory.

<File>

Specifies the file or files to be copied. You can use wildcard characters (* or ?), if you want. If the File parameter is not specified, *.* is used as the default value.

<Options>

Specifies options to be used with the robocopy command.

Copy options

Option

Description

/s

Copies subdirectories. Note that this option excludes empty directories.

/e

Copies subdirectories. Note that this option includes empty directories. For additional information, see Remarks.

/lev:<N>

Copies only the top N levels of the source directory tree.

/z

Copies files in Restart mode.

/b

Copies files in Backup mode.

/zb

Uses Restart mode. If access is denied, this option uses Backup mode.

/efsraw

Copies all encrypted files in EFS RAW mode.

/copy:<CopyFlags>

Specifies the file properties to be copied. The following are the valid values for this option:

D  Data

A  Attributes

T  Time stamps

S  NTFS access control list (ACL)

O  Owner information

U  Auditing information

The default value for CopyFlags is DAT (data, attributes, and time stamps).

/dcopy:T

Copies directory time stamps.

/sec

Copies files with security (equivalent to /copy:DAT).

/copyall

Copies all file information (equivalent to /copy:DATSOU).

/nocopy

Copies no file information (useful with /purge).

/secfix

Fixes file security on all files, even skipped ones.

/timfix

Fixes file times on all files, even skipped ones.

/purge

Deletes destination files and directories that no longer exist in the source. For additional information, see Remarks.

/mir

Mirrors a directory tree (equivalent to /e plus /purge). For additional information, see Remarks.

/mov

Moves files, and deletes them from the source after they are copied.

/move

Moves files and directories, and deletes them from the source after they are copied.

/a+:[RASHCNET]

Adds the specified attributes to copied files.

/a-:[RASHCNET]

Removes the specified attributes from copied files.

/create

Creates a directory tree and zero-length files only.

/fat

Creates destination files by using 8.3 character-length FAT file names only.

/256

Turns off support for very long paths (longer than 256 characters).

/mon:<N>

Monitors the source, and runs again when more than N changes are detected.

/mot:<M>

Monitors source, and runs again in M minutes if changes are detected.

/MT[:N]

Creates multi-threaded copies with N threads. N must be an integer between 1 and 128. The default value for N is 8.

The /MT parameter cannot be used with the /IPG and /EFSRAW parameters.

Redirect output using /LOG option for better performance.

System_CAPS_noteNote

The /MT parameter applies to Windows Server 2008 R2 and Windows 7.

/rh:hhmm-hhmm

Specifies run times when new copies may be started.

/pf

Checks run times on a per-file (not per-pass) basis.

/ipg:n

Specifies the inter-packet gap to free bandwidth on slow lines.

/sl

Copies the symbolic link instead of the target.

System_CAPS_importantImportant

When using the /SECFIX copy option, specify the type of security information you want to copy by also using one of these additional copy options:

/COPYALL

/COPY:O

/COPY:S

/COPY:U

/SEC

File selection options

Option

Description

/a

Copies only files for which the Archive attribute is set.

/m

Copies only files for which the Archive attribute is set, and resets the Archive attribute.

/ia:[RASHCNETO]

Includes only files for which any of the specified attributes are set.

/xa:[RASHCNETO]

Excludes files for which any of the specified attributes are set.

/xf <FileName>[ ...]

Excludes files that match the specified names or paths. Note that FileName can include wildcard characters (* and ?).

/xd <Directory>[ ...]

Excludes directories that match the specified names and paths.

/xct

Excludes changed files.

/xn

Excludes newer files.

/xo

Excludes older files.

/xx

Excludes extra files and directories.

/xl

Excludes "lonely" files and directories.

/is

Includes the same files.

/it

Includes "tweaked" files.

/max:<N>

Specifies the maximum file size (to exclude files bigger than N bytes).

/min:<N>

Specifies the minimum file size (to exclude files smaller than N bytes).

/maxage:<N>

Specifies the maximum file age (to exclude files older than N days or date).

/minage:<N>

Specifies the minimum file age (exclude files newer than N days or date).

/maxlad:<N>

Specifies the maximum last access date (excludes files unused since N).

/minlad:<N>

Specifies the minimum last access date (excludes files used since N) If N is less than 1900, N specifies the number of days. Otherwise, N specifies a date in the format YYYYMMDD.

/xj

Excludes junction points, which are normally included by default.

/fft

Assumes FAT file times (two-second precision).

/dst

Compensates for one-hour DST time differences.

/xjd

Excludes junction points for directories.

/xjf

Excludes junction points for files.

Retry options

Option

Description

/r:<N>

Specifies the number of retries on failed copies. The default value of N is 1,000,000 (one million retries).

/w:<N>

Specifies the wait time between retries, in seconds. The default value of N is 30  (wait time 30 seconds).

/reg

Saves the values specified in the /r and /w options as default settings in the registry.

/tbd

Specifies that the system will wait for share names to be defined (retry error 67).

Logging options

Option

Description

/l

Specifies that files are to be listed only (and not copied, deleted, or time stamped).

/x

Reports all extra files, not just those that are selected.

/v

Produces verbose output, and shows all skipped files.

/ts

Includes source file time stamps in the output.

/fp

Includes the full path names of the files in the output.

/bytes

Prints sizes, as bytes.

/ns

Specifies that file sizes are not to be logged.

/nc

Specifies that file classes are not to be logged.

/nfl

Specifies that file names are not to be logged.

/ndl

Specifies that directory names are not to be logged.

/np

Specifies that the progress of the copying operation (the number of files or directories copied so far) will not be displayed.

/eta

Shotws the estimated time of arrival (ETA) of the copied files.

/log:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file (overwrites the existing log file).

/log+:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file (appends the output to the existing log file).

/unicode

Displays the status output as Unicode text.

/unilog:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file as Unicode text (overwrites the existing log file).

/unilog+:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file as Unicode text (appends the output to the existing log file).

/tee

Writes the status output to the console window, as well as to the log file.

/njh

Specifies that there is no job header.

/njs

Specifies that there is no job summary.

Job options

Option

Description

/job:<JobName>

Specifies that parameters are to be derived from the named job file.

/save:<JobName>

Specifies that parameters are to be saved to the named job file.

/quit

Quits after processing command line (to view parameters).

/nosd

Indicates that no source directory is specified.

/nodd

Indicates that no destination directory is specified.

/if

Includes the specified files.

Remarks

The /mir option is equivalent to the /e plus /purge options with one small difference in behavior:

With the /e plus /purge options, if the destination directory exists, the destination directory security settings are not overwritten.

With the /mir option, if the destination directory exists, the destination directory security settings are overwritten.   

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: 13 January 2021 19:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] cloning a drive accessibly

 

Hi.

 

Since I have some cash to burn after christmas and since my portable

drives are aging, I thought I'd do a transfer of content and get a new

drive.

 

Now, how easy is it to clone that drive or transfer it over.

 

Previously I have done that manually via explorer and while that works

it takes ages.

 

Also explorer and the large sizes of things mean that the system is not

as stable as it could be doing massive file opperations.

 

So what is the most accessible way with nvda to clone the drives over.

 

I want to transfer all folders etc over.

 

I will be putting things to a bigger drive, so I don't want to copy an

exact copy of the partition record just the files and sub folders over

with all contents obviously.

 

I also want to be able to select everything on that drive aI am doing

transfer to, but deselect things I don't want, one of the drives has

older backup data for another system which I no longer need, is there an

easy way to handle that.

 

Shaun

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Windows 10 native Mail app

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Brian

If you are using Windows 10 I would install the Windows 10 App essentials add-on, which smoothes out some of the accessibility wrinkles within the OS and it’s apps, including Windows Mail.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: Brian Williams
Sent: 14 January 2021 07:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 native Mail app

 

Hi all, recently returned to windows from a Macbook which I never really got on with. Using the native app for mail, going to the list of emails I have received I press enter to open one. I am only then able to read it line by line  by holding down the control Key and using the down arrow. If I just use the down arrow key it reads the same line over and over. Is this an issue with NVDA, is there a keyboard command I am using wrongly or missing? The mail app does seem to be a bit fiddly but I don’t know whether it’s Windows 10 problem or a NVDA problem. is there a specific NVDA list of keystrokes to use within the mail app? Grateful for your help.

Brian

 

 

 

 

 


Re: cloning a drive accessibly

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Robocopy is very good and can be configured to produce a report of what has been copied.  I use it to back up my Document and Music folders to a USB drive.  It is a Windows utility that has been around for years so will not be the quickest but there are many config options as can be seen below:

 

Robocopy - Copies file data.

Syntax

Copy

robocopy <Source> <Destination> [<File>[ ...]] [<Options>]

Parameters

Parameter

Description

<Source>

Specifies the path to the source directory.

<Destination>

Specifies the path to the destination directory.

<File>

Specifies the file or files to be copied. You can use wildcard characters (* or ?), if you want. If the File parameter is not specified, *.* is used as the default value.

<Options>

Specifies options to be used with the robocopy command.

Copy options

Option

Description

/s

Copies subdirectories. Note that this option excludes empty directories.

/e

Copies subdirectories. Note that this option includes empty directories. For additional information, see Remarks.

/lev:<N>

Copies only the top N levels of the source directory tree.

/z

Copies files in Restart mode.

/b

Copies files in Backup mode.

/zb

Uses Restart mode. If access is denied, this option uses Backup mode.

/efsraw

Copies all encrypted files in EFS RAW mode.

/copy:<CopyFlags>

Specifies the file properties to be copied. The following are the valid values for this option:

D  Data

A  Attributes

T  Time stamps

S  NTFS access control list (ACL)

O  Owner information

U  Auditing information

The default value for CopyFlags is DAT (data, attributes, and time stamps).

/dcopy:T

Copies directory time stamps.

/sec

Copies files with security (equivalent to /copy:DAT).

/copyall

Copies all file information (equivalent to /copy:DATSOU).

/nocopy

Copies no file information (useful with /purge).

/secfix

Fixes file security on all files, even skipped ones.

/timfix

Fixes file times on all files, even skipped ones.

/purge

Deletes destination files and directories that no longer exist in the source. For additional information, see Remarks.

/mir

Mirrors a directory tree (equivalent to /e plus /purge). For additional information, see Remarks.

/mov

Moves files, and deletes them from the source after they are copied.

/move

Moves files and directories, and deletes them from the source after they are copied.

/a+:[RASHCNET]

Adds the specified attributes to copied files.

/a-:[RASHCNET]

Removes the specified attributes from copied files.

/create

Creates a directory tree and zero-length files only.

/fat

Creates destination files by using 8.3 character-length FAT file names only.

/256

Turns off support for very long paths (longer than 256 characters).

/mon:<N>

Monitors the source, and runs again when more than N changes are detected.

/mot:<M>

Monitors source, and runs again in M minutes if changes are detected.

/MT[:N]

Creates multi-threaded copies with N threads. N must be an integer between 1 and 128. The default value for N is 8.

The /MT parameter cannot be used with the /IPG and /EFSRAW parameters.

Redirect output using /LOG option for better performance.

System_CAPS_noteNote

The /MT parameter applies to Windows Server 2008 R2 and Windows 7.

/rh:hhmm-hhmm

Specifies run times when new copies may be started.

/pf

Checks run times on a per-file (not per-pass) basis.

/ipg:n

Specifies the inter-packet gap to free bandwidth on slow lines.

/sl

Copies the symbolic link instead of the target.

System_CAPS_importantImportant

When using the /SECFIX copy option, specify the type of security information you want to copy by also using one of these additional copy options:

/COPYALL

/COPY:O

/COPY:S

/COPY:U

/SEC

File selection options

Option

Description

/a

Copies only files for which the Archive attribute is set.

/m

Copies only files for which the Archive attribute is set, and resets the Archive attribute.

/ia:[RASHCNETO]

Includes only files for which any of the specified attributes are set.

/xa:[RASHCNETO]

Excludes files for which any of the specified attributes are set.

/xf <FileName>[ ...]

Excludes files that match the specified names or paths. Note that FileName can include wildcard characters (* and ?).

/xd <Directory>[ ...]

Excludes directories that match the specified names and paths.

/xct

Excludes changed files.

/xn

Excludes newer files.

/xo

Excludes older files.

/xx

Excludes extra files and directories.

/xl

Excludes "lonely" files and directories.

/is

Includes the same files.

/it

Includes "tweaked" files.

/max:<N>

Specifies the maximum file size (to exclude files bigger than N bytes).

/min:<N>

Specifies the minimum file size (to exclude files smaller than N bytes).

/maxage:<N>

Specifies the maximum file age (to exclude files older than N days or date).

/minage:<N>

Specifies the minimum file age (exclude files newer than N days or date).

/maxlad:<N>

Specifies the maximum last access date (excludes files unused since N).

/minlad:<N>

Specifies the minimum last access date (excludes files used since N) If N is less than 1900, N specifies the number of days. Otherwise, N specifies a date in the format YYYYMMDD.

/xj

Excludes junction points, which are normally included by default.

/fft

Assumes FAT file times (two-second precision).

/dst

Compensates for one-hour DST time differences.

/xjd

Excludes junction points for directories.

/xjf

Excludes junction points for files.

Retry options

Option

Description

/r:<N>

Specifies the number of retries on failed copies. The default value of N is 1,000,000 (one million retries).

/w:<N>

Specifies the wait time between retries, in seconds. The default value of N is 30  (wait time 30 seconds).

/reg

Saves the values specified in the /r and /w options as default settings in the registry.

/tbd

Specifies that the system will wait for share names to be defined (retry error 67).

Logging options

Option

Description

/l

Specifies that files are to be listed only (and not copied, deleted, or time stamped).

/x

Reports all extra files, not just those that are selected.

/v

Produces verbose output, and shows all skipped files.

/ts

Includes source file time stamps in the output.

/fp

Includes the full path names of the files in the output.

/bytes

Prints sizes, as bytes.

/ns

Specifies that file sizes are not to be logged.

/nc

Specifies that file classes are not to be logged.

/nfl

Specifies that file names are not to be logged.

/ndl

Specifies that directory names are not to be logged.

/np

Specifies that the progress of the copying operation (the number of files or directories copied so far) will not be displayed.

/eta

Shotws the estimated time of arrival (ETA) of the copied files.

/log:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file (overwrites the existing log file).

/log+:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file (appends the output to the existing log file).

/unicode

Displays the status output as Unicode text.

/unilog:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file as Unicode text (overwrites the existing log file).

/unilog+:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file as Unicode text (appends the output to the existing log file).

/tee

Writes the status output to the console window, as well as to the log file.

/njh

Specifies that there is no job header.

/njs

Specifies that there is no job summary.

Job options

Option

Description

/job:<JobName>

Specifies that parameters are to be derived from the named job file.

/save:<JobName>

Specifies that parameters are to be saved to the named job file.

/quit

Quits after processing command line (to view parameters).

/nosd

Indicates that no source directory is specified.

/nodd

Indicates that no destination directory is specified.

/if

Includes the specified files.

Remarks

The /mir option is equivalent to the /e plus /purge options with one small difference in behavior:

With the /e plus /purge options, if the destination directory exists, the destination directory security settings are not overwritten.

With the /mir option, if the destination directory exists, the destination directory security settings are overwritten.   

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: 13 January 2021 19:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] cloning a drive accessibly

 

Hi.

 

Since I have some cash to burn after christmas and since my portable

drives are aging, I thought I'd do a transfer of content and get a new

drive.

 

Now, how easy is it to clone that drive or transfer it over.

 

Previously I have done that manually via explorer and while that works

it takes ages.

 

Also explorer and the large sizes of things mean that the system is not

as stable as it could be doing massive file opperations.

 

So what is the most accessible way with nvda to clone the drives over.

 

I want to transfer all folders etc over.

 

I will be putting things to a bigger drive, so I don't want to copy an

exact copy of the partition record just the files and sub folders over

with all contents obviously.

 

I also want to be able to select everything on that drive aI am doing

transfer to, but deselect things I don't want, one of the drives has

older backup data for another system which I no longer need, is there an

easy way to handle that.

 

Shaun

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Readig Zoom meeting Chat

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello Anthony and all,
I think the link to the add-on has already been provided on the list. But here it is again:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html
Best
Sylvie

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de anthony borg via groups.io
Envoyé : mardi 12 janvier 2021 19:31
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Readig Zoom meeting Chat

Hi sylvie

From where I can downloading that add-on please?
Thanks in advance
Anthony

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: 12 January 2021 16:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Readig Zoom meeting Chat

Hello,
You can hear any incoming message in the tchat when the tchat is open, by pressing alt+H.
With the zoom add-on mentioned by Gene, you can set up the add-on to read Public In-meeting Chat Received by pressing NVDA + Ctrl + 7.
Press NVDA + Ctrl + 8 to read Private In-meeting Chat Received.
Note from the add-on documentation: "Note that you need to leave reporting all alert types selected (in Zoom accessibility settings) to have the add-on function as expected."
You can choose which alerts are pronounced by NVDA in opening the zoom add-on settings dialog by pressing NVDA + o.
This dialog can only be open when zoom is open too.
The first thing to choose is if you want to have all alerts reported, hear beeps for alerts, hear no alerts, or custom alerts.
If you choose "custom alerts", you will be able to choose which alerts should occur and which should not in checking or unchecking the appropriate checkbox.
When you have selected which alerts should occur, press ok.
I hope this helps.
Best
Sylvie
-----oMessage d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Gene via groups.io Envoyé : mardi 12 janvier 2021 14:13 À : nvda@nvda.groups.io Objet : Re: [nvda] Readig Zoom meeting Chat

Yes, but is there a way to have each chat message automatically read when it appears? I don't know but if NVDA doesn't do this, there may be an add-on that will do so.

I just checked and there is an add-on. But I don't know if it automatically reads messages. but it does allow you to turn on or off alerts about such messages. When you get an alert, you will know to check for a new one.
That may be of some help.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/zoomEnhancements.en.html

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 7:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Readig Zoom meeting Chat

Hello,
Alt-H opens the chat area. Here you can write to the room, to individuals and of course you can read the messages, Use Tab and Shift-Tab.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of AKH AKH
Sent: Dienstag, 12. Januar 2021 12:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Readig Zoom meeting Chat

Hi all


Is it possible for NVDA to read the live Chat messages that meeting participants post during a zoom meeting, please? If so, how?


Andrew


Re: An accessible way to sign document with NVDA

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello Sarah,

Could you please give more information on docusign, where to find it and how it works with NVDA?

What do you mean with “You might need aira for the rest though.”

Thank you for your response.

Best

Sylvie

De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Sarah k Alawami via groups.io
Envoyé : mardi 12 janvier 2021 17:18
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] An accessible way to sign document with NVDA

 

I've used docusign. It works grate. You might need aira for the rest though.

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On 12 Jan 2021, at 0:26, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:

Hello everyone,

Does anyone have experienced signing documents with NVDA?

I tried the sign document in Word but it does not seem to find the certificate.

In Adobe, I tried to use the sign document function, but when you activate the button, there is no feedback from NVDA.

If you have any hints except adding a jpg of your hand written signature, it would be helpful.

Best

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Re: cloning a drive accessibly

Richard Kuzma
 

Try out image for windows.
I believe it allows for cloning an entire drive.
You can get a thirty day trial also.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 8:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] cloning a drive accessibly


On 1/13/21 6:57 PM, Dan Miner via groups.io wrote:
I had this very similar problem about two months ago but I wanted the entire system (including the OS). I was just upgrading my SSD to a larger capacity. However, it sounds like you just have a big pile of files. If you're comfortable with the command line , I've heard lots of good things about robocopy.
I used it at one point, and it worked as expected. I've forgotten the syntax, so you would need to look that up.

Myself, I would be in a WSL2 terminal and using rsync most likely since I know the tool very well and it generally resumes beautifully when things go wrong as seems inevitable for large copies.
I agree. I'm much more comfortable with the BASH shell than with Windows PowerShell. You would need to check the rsync command line options to make sure you copied the NTFS metadata correctly.

If you really do need a copy of an entire drive, then booting to a Linux distribution such as GRML and running Clonezilla would be accessible and definitely works - I've done that in the past.


Re: Windows 10 native Mail app

Gene
 

I hadn't noticed that control was being used. I believe the add-on will make the app easier to use but I don't know if it will affect read to end. That may be solved by using the command discussed in the below message.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Ian Westerland
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 2:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 native Mail app


Hello Brian, use the NVDA key instead of the Control key with the Down
Arrow key. You should then be able to read a whole Email.

I hope this works for you.

Best regards

Ian Westerland



On 1/14/2021 6:49 PM, Brian Williams wrote:
Hi all, recently returned to windows from a Macbook which I never really got on with. Using the native app for mail, going to the list of emails I have received I press enter to open one. I am only then able to read it line by line by holding down the control Key and using the down arrow. If I just use the down arrow key it reads the same line over and over. Is this an issue with NVDA, is there a keyboard command I am using wrongly or missing? The mail app does seem to be a bit fiddly but I don’t know whether it’s Windows 10 problem or a NVDA problem. is there a specific NVDA list of keystrokes to use within the mail app? Grateful for your help.
Brian





Re: Windows 10 native Mail app

Gene
 

Install the NVDA Windows 10 appessentials add-on.
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/wintenApps.en.html

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Williams
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 1:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 native Mail app

Hi all, recently returned to windows from a Macbook which I never really got on with. Using the native app for mail, going to the list of emails I have received I press enter to open one. I am only then able to read it line by line by holding down the control Key and using the down arrow. If I just use the down arrow key it reads the same line over and over. Is this an issue with NVDA, is there a keyboard command I am using wrongly or missing? The mail app does seem to be a bit fiddly but I don’t know whether it’s Windows 10 problem or a NVDA problem. is there a specific NVDA list of keystrokes to use within the mail app? Grateful for your help.
Brian


Re: Windows 10 native Mail app

Ian Westerland
 

Hello Brian, use the NVDA key instead of the Control key with the Down Arrow key. You should then be able to read a whole Email.

I hope this works for you.

Best regards

Ian Westerland

On 1/14/2021 6:49 PM, Brian Williams wrote:
Hi all, recently returned to windows from a Macbook which I never really got on with. Using the native app for mail, going to the list of emails I have received I press enter to open one. I am only then able to read it line by line by holding down the control Key and using the down arrow. If I just use the down arrow key it reads the same line over and over. Is this an issue with NVDA, is there a keyboard command I am using wrongly or missing? The mail app does seem to be a bit fiddly but I don’t know whether it’s Windows 10 problem or a NVDA problem. is there a specific NVDA list of keystrokes to use within the mail app? Grateful for your help.
Brian


Windows 10 native Mail app

Brian Williams
 

Hi all, recently returned to windows from a Macbook which I never really got on with. Using the native app for mail, going to the list of emails I have received I press enter to open one. I am only then able to read it line by line by holding down the control Key and using the down arrow. If I just use the down arrow key it reads the same line over and over. Is this an issue with NVDA, is there a keyboard command I am using wrongly or missing? The mail app does seem to be a bit fiddly but I don’t know whether it’s Windows 10 problem or a NVDA problem. is there a specific NVDA list of keystrokes to use within the mail app? Grateful for your help.
Brian


In-process available

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

The first In-Process for 2021 has been released! Featuring news on NVDA 2020.4 beta 4, GitHub sponsorship, and adding a new Windows OneCore voice: 

Kind regards

Quentin.
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Re: Setting column headers to read in Excel

Jeff Samco
 

Thanks for the tip. I never picked up on the subtlety that clearing header info requires pressing NVDA+Shift+C or R twice quickly. I had interpretted the instruction as pressing it a second time. Now it works like I expect for clearing the heading setting.
Thanks,
Jeff


At 04:47 PM 1/13/2021, you wrote:
There isn't a "clear all" command, but if you go back to where you set the headers, you can press NVDA+shift+c (or NVDA+shift+r for row headers) and press the command twice quickly to remove the set header.

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:22 AM Jeff Samco <jsamco@...> wrote:
Thank you for correcting my using the wrong key combination. Funny thing, the right key combo actually works!*grin*
A second question:  On a  spreadsheet  on which I am trying to set a row of  column headers to read. When I am in the first cell of the row, and when I press NVDA+Shift_C it tells me the headers  are already set at those cell coordinates. Subsequent pressing of NVDA+Shift+C just repeats the same announcement.
Is there a way of just clearing all column and row  announcement "markers" so I can start from scratch?
Thanks, again,
Jeff

At 02:54 PM 1/13/2021, you wrote:
Per section 11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide:
After moving to the first cell in the column or row containing the headers, use one of the following commands:
Name

Key

Description

Set column headers

NVDA+shift+c

Pressing this once tells NVDA this is the first header cell in the row that contains column headers, which should be automatically announced when moving between columns below this row. Pressing twice will clear the setting.

Set row headers

NVDA+shift+r

Pressing this once tells NVDA this is the first header cell in the column that contains row headers, which should be automatically announced when moving between rows after this column. Pressing twice will clear the setting.

These settings will be stored in the workbook as defined name ranges compatible with other screen readers such as JAWS. This means that users of other screen readers who open this workbook at a later date will automatically have the row and column headers already set.


Re: While reading doc or web page NVDA announces the command which has been performed– how to silence it?

vasu prathap
 

hei,
It worked for me. Thanks' a lot.

On 1/14/21, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hello.
press insert+4 or turn off
Speak command keys in keyboard settings and press enter to save the
settings.

On 1/13/21, vasu prathap <vasuprathap07@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi friends,
I am Prathap new to this group and hope all are fine.
My query regarding NVDA is that while navigating the word or doc or any
other application, NVDA speaks out commands such as control plus down
arrow,
control plus up arrow, control plus left arrow etc. For example, if I
navigate to next paragraph, NVDA speaks control plus down arrow, then it
reads the paragraph. Is there any settings in
NVDA or add-ons for silencing such announcement while reading? Please
guide
me.
Thanks in advance.






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Re: cloning a drive accessibly

Jason White
 

On 1/13/21 6:57 PM, Dan Miner via groups.io wrote:
I had this very similar problem about two months ago but I wanted the entire system (including the OS). I was just upgrading my SSD to a larger capacity. However, it sounds like you just have a big pile of files. If you're comfortable with the command line , I've heard lots of good things about robocopy.
I used it at one point, and it worked as expected. I've forgotten the syntax, so you would need to look that up.

Myself, I would be in a WSL2 terminal and using rsync most likely since I know the tool very well and it generally resumes beautifully when things go wrong as seems inevitable for large copies.
I agree. I'm much more comfortable with the BASH shell than with Windows PowerShell. You would need to check the rsync command line options to make sure you copied the NTFS metadata correctly.

If you really do need a copy of an entire drive, then booting to a Linux distribution such as GRML and running Clonezilla would be accessible and definitely works - I've done that in the past.

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