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Using N V D A with Station Play List Studio!

Thomas E Williamson, Senior
 

Hello,

How can I find the instructions for assigning the keys for n v d a to work with station playlist.

Please note: I have the ad-on for spl as well.

For example, in jaws, if I press the letter m, this will allow me the chance to talk on air, while my music is playing softly in the background.

It appears in N v d a, that this does not work, for some reason.

Hope that this makes since.

I appreciate any help.

I am new to using n v d a with spl.

Thanks!

Regards,

Thomas.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cuong Dang Manh
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 9:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA say: edit read-only when nagivate line by line in Word

 

Hi all
I think the problem caused by Office 2016. My friend use Microsoft Office 2016. I created a portable NVDA from my current NVDA, and shared to her, but the problem still occur after installing that one. Right now I don't have any computer with office 2016 install, and try to make sure this is an issue so if any of you using the latest NVDA with office 2016, please share expirience. If this is an issue, I'm going to create a tiket on github.
Cuong

On 12/31/2020 10:38 AM, Cuong Dang Manh via groups.io wrote:

Hi Giles
Thanks for your instruction. I know this, but my friend said she can edit her file normaly. Just feel a little annoy while NVDA read this each time she navigate. I'll call her to understand the problem clearly.
Appreciated your help, and replies from other member.
Cuong

On 12/30/2020 10:42 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:

Hi Cuong,

most of the time this happens with Word, it is because the document has been emailed to the NVDA user. Regardless of whether the NVDA user has opened it directly from the email or has saved it to their computer first and then opened it, Word will open it in protected mode, which is read-only and therefore it can't be edited and many of the ribbon options, like chnaging font or changing the view to draft view will not work.

To prevent that happening, press ALT+f to open the file menu, press the down arrow key three times to get to the Info menu, press Tab to enter that menu and then press the down arrow to get to the Protected View menu. Press Tab again and you'll be on the Enable Editing option and, if you press enter, that document will become unprotected and the NVDA user should no longer hear the warning that the document is protected and can't be edited. It will remain unprotected even after you close the document or shut down the computer. The same works with Excel files :)

I hope that helps.

Giles


Re: NVDA say: edit read-only when nagivate line by line in Word

 

Hi all
I think the problem caused by Office 2016. My friend use Microsoft Office 2016. I created a portable NVDA from my current NVDA, and shared to her, but the problem still occur after installing that one. Right now I don't have any computer with office 2016 install, and try to make sure this is an issue so if any of you using the latest NVDA with office 2016, please share expirience. If this is an issue, I'm going to create a tiket on github.
Cuong

On 12/31/2020 10:38 AM, Cuong Dang Manh via groups.io wrote:
Hi Giles
Thanks for your instruction. I know this, but my friend said she can edit her file normaly. Just feel a little annoy while NVDA read this each time she navigate. I'll call her to understand the problem clearly.
Appreciated your help, and replies from other member.
Cuong
On 12/30/2020 10:42 PM, Giles Turnbull wrote:
Hi Cuong,

most of the time this happens with Word, it is because the document has been emailed to the NVDA user. Regardless of whether the NVDA user has opened it directly from the email or has saved it to their computer first and then opened it, Word will open it in protected mode, which is read-only and therefore it can't be edited and many of the ribbon options, like chnaging font or changing the view to draft view will not work.

To prevent that happening, press ALT+f to open the file menu, press the down arrow key three times to get to the Info menu, press Tab to enter that menu and then press the down arrow to get to the Protected View menu. Press Tab again and you'll be on the Enable Editing option and, if you press enter, that document will become unprotected and the NVDA user should no longer hear the warning that the document is protected and can't be edited. It will remain unprotected even after you close the document or shut down the computer. The same works with Excel files :)

I hope that helps.

Giles


Re: strange problem with NVDA on websites with lots of adds

Gene
 

If you give one or more page addresses, people can check them over time and see if they have the same behavior intermittently. An intermittent problem can still be investigated, it just may take longer.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 6:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] strange problem with NVDA on websites with lots of adds

Hi all,
Okay, this is probably one of the strangest problems I've seen.
Sometimes, NVDA will skip around websites that have lots of add
content, but not always, though I can't seem to make it work reliably.
Here's what happens:
1. I open several websites in Firefox, one in each window.
2. I try to read one of them using NVDA+Down Arrow.
3. As I'm reading them, NVDA either skips words or rereads words. I'd
post a link to where this is likely to happen, but I can't seem to
reproduce it reliably myself. Today I revisited the site I was having
this problem with yesterday, but it didn't do it there. It did,
however, do it on the site I first discovered it on a couple weeks ago
today.
Bob


strange problem with NVDA on websites with lots of adds

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Hi all,
Okay, this is probably one of the strangest problems I've seen.
Sometimes, NVDA will skip around websites that have lots of add
content, but not always, though I can't seem to make it work reliably.
Here's what happens:
1. I open several websites in Firefox, one in each window.
2. I try to read one of them using NVDA+Down Arrow.
3. As I'm reading them, NVDA either skips words or rereads words. I'd
post a link to where this is likely to happen, but I can't seem to
reproduce it reliably myself. Today I revisited the site I was having
this problem with yesterday, but it didn't do it there. It did,
however, do it on the site I first discovered it on a couple weeks ago
today.
Bob


Re: am having problems typing while in an edit box when searching amazon

Sarah k Alawami
 

Before you do that, have you tested this on google's end of things, if it works flawlessly with google and not with amazon, we've got bigger issues on our plate.

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On 14 Jan 2021, at 14:43, Gene wrote:

It sounds like an NVDA problem, then. You may want to uninstall and reinstall it and see if that solves the problem.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] am having problems typing while in an edit box when searching amazon

Thanks for the suggestions. Yes, text is being written in the edit
field. I selected it and copied it to notepad and the text was there.
I am using chrome, I also tried firefox and the same problem is
happening.

On 1/14/21, Gene gsasner@... wrote:

It might save people a lot of trouble if they ask here before removing
information, especially when the removal is extremely unlikely to solve a
problem. In this case, if you use visited links as an important way you
navigate web sites, removing history will remove all visited links. History

is nothing more than a record your browser keeps of sites it has visited.
It is very unlikely to solve a problem like this and other far more likely
solutions should be tried first.

We don't yet know if the field is being written in. Do the following:
Write in an edit field where blank is spoken. Then go into browse mode and

see if there is any text you can read in the edit field in browse mode.
Also, select the line an copy it to the clipboard. Is any text copied?

Do you have other browsers and have you tried the same thing?

What browser are you using? Also, it would be a good idea to test another
web site.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] am having problems typing while in an edit box when
searching amazon

Hello to all. I have the latest version of NVDA, 20.3, and am using a
windows7 64 bit machine. This problem just started this morning.
When I go to amazon and hit the letter e for an edit box to begin
typing in a search. I can type in the edit box, but when I try to use
any of the arrow keys to check what I typed is correct, I just hear
the word blank. I have restarted NVDA with no luck. I have restarted
my computer and no change. I tried typing in MS-WORD and I have no
issues typing in word. What should I do. I also tried clearing my
internet history by using c-cleaner and that didn't help at all.
Thanks for any tips.

--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


Re: am having problems typing while in an edit box when searching amazon

Gene
 

It sounds like an NVDA problem, then. You may want to uninstall and reinstall it and see if that solves the problem.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] am having problems typing while in an edit box when searching amazon

Thanks for the suggestions. Yes, text is being written in the edit
field. I selected it and copied it to notepad and the text was there.
I am using chrome, I also tried firefox and the same problem is
happening.

On 1/14/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It might save people a lot of trouble if they ask here before removing
information, especially when the removal is extremely unlikely to solve a
problem. In this case, if you use visited links as an important way you
navigate web sites, removing history will remove all visited links. History

is nothing more than a record your browser keeps of sites it has visited.
It is very unlikely to solve a problem like this and other far more likely
solutions should be tried first.

We don't yet know if the field is being written in. Do the following:
Write in an edit field where blank is spoken. Then go into browse mode and

see if there is any text you can read in the edit field in browse mode.
Also, select the line an copy it to the clipboard. Is any text copied?

Do you have other browsers and have you tried the same thing?

What browser are you using? Also, it would be a good idea to test another
web site.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] am having problems typing while in an edit box when
searching amazon

Hello to all. I have the latest version of NVDA, 20.3, and am using a
windows7 64 bit machine. This problem just started this morning.
When I go to amazon and hit the letter e for an edit box to begin
typing in a search. I can type in the edit box, but when I try to use
any of the arrow keys to check what I typed is correct, I just hear
the word blank. I have restarted NVDA with no luck. I have restarted
my computer and no change. I tried typing in MS-WORD and I have no
issues typing in word. What should I do. I also tried clearing my
internet history by using c-cleaner and that didn't help at all.
Thanks for any tips.










--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


Re: am having problems typing while in an edit box when searching amazon

Joshua Hendrickson
 

Thanks for the suggestions. Yes, text is being written in the edit
field. I selected it and copied it to notepad and the text was there.
I am using chrome, I also tried firefox and the same problem is
happening.

On 1/14/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It might save people a lot of trouble if they ask here before removing
information, especially when the removal is extremely unlikely to solve a
problem. In this case, if you use visited links as an important way you
navigate web sites, removing history will remove all visited links. History

is nothing more than a record your browser keeps of sites it has visited.
It is very unlikely to solve a problem like this and other far more likely
solutions should be tried first.

We don't yet know if the field is being written in. Do the following:
Write in an edit field where blank is spoken. Then go into browse mode and

see if there is any text you can read in the edit field in browse mode.
Also, select the line an copy it to the clipboard. Is any text copied?

Do you have other browsers and have you tried the same thing?

What browser are you using? Also, it would be a good idea to test another
web site.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] am having problems typing while in an edit box when
searching amazon

Hello to all. I have the latest version of NVDA, 20.3, and am using a
windows7 64 bit machine. This problem just started this morning.
When I go to amazon and hit the letter e for an edit box to begin
typing in a search. I can type in the edit box, but when I try to use
any of the arrow keys to check what I typed is correct, I just hear
the word blank. I have restarted NVDA with no luck. I have restarted
my computer and no change. I tried typing in MS-WORD and I have no
issues typing in word. What should I do. I also tried clearing my
internet history by using c-cleaner and that didn't help at all.
Thanks for any tips.









--
Joshua Hendrickson

Joshua Hendrickson


Re: am having problems typing while in an edit box when searching amazon

Gene
 

It might save people a lot of trouble if they ask here before removing information, especially when the removal is extremely unlikely to solve a problem. In this case, if you use visited links as an important way you navigate web sites, removing history will remove all visited links. History is nothing more than a record your browser keeps of sites it has visited. It is very unlikely to solve a problem like this and other far more likely solutions should be tried first.

We don't yet know if the field is being written in. Do the following:
Write in an edit field where blank is spoken. Then go into browse mode and see if there is any text you can read in the edit field in browse mode. Also, select the line an copy it to the clipboard. Is any text copied?

Do you have other browsers and have you tried the same thing?

What browser are you using? Also, it would be a good idea to test another web site.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 3:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] am having problems typing while in an edit box when searching amazon

Hello to all. I have the latest version of NVDA, 20.3, and am using a
windows7 64 bit machine. This problem just started this morning.
When I go to amazon and hit the letter e for an edit box to begin
typing in a search. I can type in the edit box, but when I try to use
any of the arrow keys to check what I typed is correct, I just hear
the word blank. I have restarted NVDA with no luck. I have restarted
my computer and no change. I tried typing in MS-WORD and I have no
issues typing in word. What should I do. I also tried clearing my
internet history by using c-cleaner and that didn't help at all.
Thanks for any tips.


am having problems typing while in an edit box when searching amazon

Joshua Hendrickson
 

Hello to all. I have the latest version of NVDA, 20.3, and am using a
windows7 64 bit machine. This problem just started this morning.
When I go to amazon and hit the letter e for an edit box to begin
typing in a search. I can type in the edit box, but when I try to use
any of the arrow keys to check what I typed is correct, I just hear
the word blank. I have restarted NVDA with no luck. I have restarted
my computer and no change. I tried typing in MS-WORD and I have no
issues typing in word. What should I do. I also tried clearing my
internet history by using c-cleaner and that didn't help at all.
Thanks for any tips.


Re: Will NVDA eventually use AI for better GUI recognition?

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

I’m good at coming up with great ideas but that doesn’t necessarily mean I have any idea how the heck to make them happen LOL. All joking at my own expense aside, I would think this kind of information already exists in some API somewhere? AWS perhaps? Like I say, apples voiceover screen reader is already doing this so the tech is definitely out there somewhere.

On Jan 12, 2021, at 4:22 PM, Pranav Lal <pranav.lal@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi all,

As others have mentioned, the problem is the model. We need someone to compile data on what user interfaces look like, probably at a control level and then determine how to interact with it.

Suppose there is a non-standard edit box, NVDA would need to know that there is an edit box and then would also need to interact with it. It may not get the relevant events from it so it is hard to say how good such a feature would be but this is very possible to do. Does anyone have a database of pictures of windows controls?


Pranav







Re: Using NVDA and Number Pad on laptop

Brian Williams
 

Hi Ben thanks, but this is a strange beast. It has no actual home keys as such. Currently the media keys are the arrow keys with the function key, function key plus Up arrow play pause down arrow  stop, left arrow previous track, right arrow next track. Function key with function  9 10 or 11 is volume mute, down, up. I’ve now worked out that control numbpad seven is home key, Control numpad one is end, Control numpad for is beginning of line and control numpad six is end of line. But, I’m getting there. Thanks for your help.
Brian

On 14 Jan 2021, at 7:32 pm, benmoxey@... wrote:



Hi Ryan

 

I just came across an Acer laptop yesterday for the first time in a while. This model had a small Page Up key above the left arrow, and a small Page Down key directly above the right arrow. If you hold the Function key (second from the bottom left) and press the Page Up, it becomes Home. Hold the Function and press Page Down for End. I thought it might be worth mentioning in case yours is the same. It’s quite intuitive when you get used to it.

 

Of course, still follow Brian’s advice regarding changing the behaviour of the F1 to F12 keys for the best screen reader experience.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Williams
Sent: Sunday, 10 January 2021 4:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA and Number Pad on laptop

 

Ryan to Brian, thank you very much. You’ve been extremely helpful. I will download the manual and bury myself in it. We get so used to a particular laptop layout and what actions do what, it becomes muscle memory. Get a new one and you have to start again. Thanks again and happy New Year.


On 9 Jan 2021, at 5:32 pm, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Brian,

Your computer does, as I suspected, have a Home and a Delete key, and these are immediately above the backspace key, the Delete is the one to the left and the Home to the right, but these also appear to be assigned as media keys, which will need to be disabled.

As much as I suspect I am going to be excoriated for saying this:  Sometimes there is absolutely no substitute for sight, and getting the "lay of the land" for an unfamiliar keyboard is one of those times.  You can spend days to weeks trying to guess what a sighted assistant can tell you in mere moments.  It makes sense to engage someone, very briefly, to let you know "where they've squeezed things" when you're dealing with a compact keyboard where the layout is definitely different than the keyboards on most laptops 15 inch and above in size.  It appears that Acer is using a slightly squeezed keyboard on the 15 inch series, as the 14 inch has no number pad.

Here is a download link for the User Manual for the Aspire serie:  https://global-download.acer.com/GDFiles/Document/User%20Manual/User%20Manual_Acer_1.0_A_A.pdf?acerid=637275362518627296&Step1=NOTEBOOK&Step2=ASPIRE&Step3=ASPIRE%20A314-22&OS=ALL&LC=en&BC=ACER&SC=PA_6 

Page 18 of the manual clearly indicates that BIOS/UEFI needs to be tweaked to turn off the hotkey functions and have them behave as typical function keys.  Unless that is done, you must press the Fn key plus the given function key for it to behave as the function key.  Once turned off, the situation flip-flops, where Fn plus the given function key will behave as the hotkey, but a press of the function key acts as the function key itself.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Using NVDA and Number Pad on laptop

benmoxey@...
 

Hi Ryan

 

I just came across an Acer laptop yesterday for the first time in a while. This model had a small Page Up key above the left arrow, and a small Page Down key directly above the right arrow. If you hold the Function key (second from the bottom left) and press the Page Up, it becomes Home. Hold the Function and press Page Down for End. I thought it might be worth mentioning in case yours is the same. It’s quite intuitive when you get used to it.

 

Of course, still follow Brian’s advice regarding changing the behaviour of the F1 to F12 keys for the best screen reader experience.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Williams
Sent: Sunday, 10 January 2021 4:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA and Number Pad on laptop

 

Ryan to Brian, thank you very much. You’ve been extremely helpful. I will download the manual and bury myself in it. We get so used to a particular laptop layout and what actions do what, it becomes muscle memory. Get a new one and you have to start again. Thanks again and happy New Year.


On 9 Jan 2021, at 5:32 pm, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Brian,

Your computer does, as I suspected, have a Home and a Delete key, and these are immediately above the backspace key, the Delete is the one to the left and the Home to the right, but these also appear to be assigned as media keys, which will need to be disabled.

As much as I suspect I am going to be excoriated for saying this:  Sometimes there is absolutely no substitute for sight, and getting the "lay of the land" for an unfamiliar keyboard is one of those times.  You can spend days to weeks trying to guess what a sighted assistant can tell you in mere moments.  It makes sense to engage someone, very briefly, to let you know "where they've squeezed things" when you're dealing with a compact keyboard where the layout is definitely different than the keyboards on most laptops 15 inch and above in size.  It appears that Acer is using a slightly squeezed keyboard on the 15 inch series, as the 14 inch has no number pad.

Here is a download link for the User Manual for the Aspire serie:  https://global-download.acer.com/GDFiles/Document/User%20Manual/User%20Manual_Acer_1.0_A_A.pdf?acerid=637275362518627296&Step1=NOTEBOOK&Step2=ASPIRE&Step3=ASPIRE%20A314-22&OS=ALL&LC=en&BC=ACER&SC=PA_6 

Page 18 of the manual clearly indicates that BIOS/UEFI needs to be tweaked to turn off the hotkey functions and have them behave as typical function keys.  Unless that is done, you must press the Fn key plus the given function key for it to behave as the function key.  Once turned off, the situation flip-flops, where Fn plus the given function key will behave as the hotkey, but a press of the function key acts as the function key itself.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: An accessible way to sign document with NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

I cannot, at least not from a company perspective. you will get a link with instructions when you need to sign documents with docuscign. it is made by adobe by the way. so. google docuscign and adobe. You might need aira if you are signing via adobe pdf form filler, especially if the form is not accessible.

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On 14 Jan 2021, at 2:34, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:

Hello Sarah,

Could you please give more information on docusign, where to find it and how it works with NVDA?

What do you mean with “You might need aira for the rest though.”

Thank you for your response.

Best

Sylvie

De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> De la part de Sarah k Alawami via groups.io
Envoyé : mardi 12 janvier 2021 17:18
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] An accessible way to sign document with NVDA

 

I've used docusign. It works grate. You might need aira for the rest though.

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 12 Jan 2021, at 0:26, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:

Hello everyone,

Does anyone have experienced signing documents with NVDA?

I tried the sign document in Word but it does not seem to find the certificate.

In Adobe, I tried to use the sign document function, but when you activate the button, there is no feedback from NVDA.

If you have any hints except adding a jpg of your hand written signature, it would be helpful.

Best

Sylvie


Re: muting

Gene
 

The person didn't have sound. I don't think it’s a good idea to just ;press keys with no screen-reader information to tell you what the key is doing. My method allows sound to be unmuted regardless of what keys do what if you are only using one sound card and the sound is muted. After that, it might be something of interest to try different keys. But other people would have to comment on whether this is a good idea or if you might have unanticipated problems. I've never had a keyboarde with such keys.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 12:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] muting

Good Morning: This person said they were using a desktop computer. I
have found by experience there are keys on the keyboard for the sound.
If there are any keys on the keyboard that you aren't aware of what they
do, try pressing and see what they do. The present keyboard I am using
has a sound on/off, sound up and sound down key here. Several years
ago, I had another keyboard that had keys to use with sound.

Dave


On 1/10/2021 5:44 AM, Gene wrote:
Do the following:
Issue the command Windows key r. Hold the Windows key and type r.
The run dialog opens.
Type sndvol and press enter.
The Windows volume control dialog will open.
Tab once. You are on the mute speakers button, though it presumably says unmute when the speakers are muted.
Press the space bar. Test with something like NVDA key t to read the title bar to see if you have speech.

Try this when you have speech to make sure things are set up as expected. Don't mute the speakers, in other words tab to see if you land on the button, then when you hear where you are, close the volume control dialog with alt f4. If you unmute sound in this way in the future, once you use space and get sound back, close the dialog with alt f4. There is no ok button and settings changes take immediate effect.

I would advise getting a cheap USB sound card, you can get them for less than 10 American dollars, for emergencies when you lose speech and can't get it back, which is unlikely but which may happen. Using the external sound card will give you speech until you solve the problem, assuming it is solvable by changing settings, which it likely will be. In case the problem is more serious, such as a hardware failure, you will have speech with no interruption in your use of the computer and can continue to use the external sound card.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Neil Campbell
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] muting







Hello Everyone



I am using NVDA with Windows 10 on a desk top computer, and suddenly lost the NVDA voice. I tried to start NVDA again with control alt n which did not work, and also tried to start Windows Narrator which did not work too . I thought I may have muted the sound, so pressed F7 which had no effect. I got the assistance of a sighted person who said that there was a big cross through a speaker on the bottom of the screen which he clicked the mouse on and sound came back. Is there any way I can turn the sound back on myself using quick keystrokes. I have no sight at all.



Neil












Re: muting

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Morning:  This person said they were using a desktop computer.  I have found by experience there are keys on the keyboard for the sound.  If there are any keys on the keyboard that you aren't aware of what they do, try pressing and see what they do.  The present keyboard I am using has a sound on/off, sound up and sound down key here.  Several years ago, I had another keyboard that had keys to use with sound.

Dave

On 1/10/2021 5:44 AM, Gene wrote:
Do the following:
Issue the command Windows key r.  Hold the Windows key and type r.
The run dialog opens.
Type sndvol and press enter.
The Windows volume control dialog will open.
Tab once. You are on the mute speakers button, though it presumably says unmute when the speakers are muted.
Press the space bar.  Test with something like NVDA key t to read the title bar to see if you have speech.

Try this when you have speech to make sure things are set up as expected. Don't mute the speakers, in other words tab to see if you land on the button, then when you hear where you are, close the volume control dialog with alt f4.  If you unmute sound in this way in the future, once you use space and get sound back, close the dialog with alt f4.  There is no ok button and settings changes take immediate effect.

I would advise getting a cheap USB sound card, you can get them for less than     10 American dollars, for emergencies when you lose speech and can't get it back, which is unlikely but which may happen.  Using the external sound card will give you speech until you solve the problem, assuming it is solvable by changing settings, which it likely will be.  In case the problem is more serious, such as a hardware failure, you will have speech with no interruption in your use of the computer and can continue to use the external sound card.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Neil Campbell
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 6:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] muting







Hello Everyone



I am using NVDA with Windows 10 on a desk top computer, and suddenly lost the NVDA voice.  I tried to start NVDA again with control alt n which did not work, and also tried to start Windows Narrator which did not work too . I thought I may have muted the sound, so pressed F7 which had no effect.  I got the assistance of a sighted person who said that there was a big cross through a speaker on the bottom of the screen which he clicked the mouse on and sound came back.  Is there any way I can turn the sound back on myself using quick keystrokes.  I have no sight at all.



Neil











Re: Setting column headers to read in Excel

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

It’s NVDA key, shift and seek


On 13 Jan 2021, at 6:54 PM, Sascha Cowley via groups.io <sascha.camille@...> wrote:

Per section 11.2.1 of the NVDA user guide:

After moving to the first cell in the column or row containing the headers, use one of the following commands:

Name

Key

Description

Set column headers

NVDA+shift+c

Pressing this once tells NVDA this is the first header cell in the row that contains column headers, which should be automatically announced when moving between columns below this row. Pressing twice will clear the setting.

Set row headers

NVDA+shift+r

Pressing this once tells NVDA this is the first header cell in the column that contains row headers, which should be automatically announced when moving between rows after this column. Pressing twice will clear the setting.

These settings will be stored in the workbook as defined name ranges compatible with other screen readers such as JAWS. This means that users of other screen readers who open this workbook at a later date will automatically have the row and column headers already set.


Re: An accessible way to sign document with NVDA

Clement Chou
 

Yeah, I'd be interested in more details regarding docusign as well!

On 1/14/21, Sylvie Duchateau <sduchateau@access42.net> wrote:
Hello Sarah,
Could you please give more information on docusign, where to find it and how
it works with NVDA?

What do you mean with "You might need aira for the rest though."

Thank you for your response.

Best

Sylvie
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Objet : Re: [nvda] An accessible way to sign document with NVDA


I've used docusign. It works grate. You might need aira for the rest
though.

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On 12 Jan 2021, at 0:26, Sylvie Duchateau wrote:

Hello everyone,

Does anyone have experienced signing documents with NVDA?

I tried the sign document in Word but it does not seem to find the
certificate.

In Adobe, I tried to use the sign document function, but when you activate
the button, there is no feedback from NVDA.

If you have any hints except adding a jpg of your hand written signature, it
would be helpful.

Best

Sylvie







Re: cloning a drive accessibly

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Richard

Robocopy  is available with Windows 10 operating system.  To know more about Robocopy, please open the command prompt and type Robocopy /? in the command line.

Also go through information from this link.

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc733145.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Richard Kuzma via groups.io
Sent: 14 January 2021 13:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] cloning a drive accessibly

 

Sounds nice,

Where can we get this utility please?

Thanks

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] cloning a drive accessibly

 

Hi

Robocopy is very good and can be configured to produce a report of what has been copied.  I use it to back up my Document and Music folders to a USB drive.  It is a Windows utility that has been around for years so will not be the quickest but there are many config options as can be seen below:

 

Robocopy - Copies file data.

Syntax

Copy

robocopy <Source> <Destination> [<File>[ ...]] [<Options>]

Parameters

Parameter

Description

<Source>

Specifies the path to the source directory.

<Destination>

Specifies the path to the destination directory.

<File>

Specifies the file or files to be copied. You can use wildcard characters (* or ?), if you want. If the File parameter is not specified, *.* is used as the default value.

<Options>

Specifies options to be used with the robocopy command.

Copy options

Option

Description

/s

Copies subdirectories. Note that this option excludes empty directories.

/e

Copies subdirectories. Note that this option includes empty directories. For additional information, see Remarks.

/lev:<N>

Copies only the top N levels of the source directory tree.

/z

Copies files in Restart mode.

/b

Copies files in Backup mode.

/zb

Uses Restart mode. If access is denied, this option uses Backup mode.

/efsraw

Copies all encrypted files in EFS RAW mode.

/copy:<CopyFlags>

Specifies the file properties to be copied. The following are the valid values for this option:

D  Data

A  Attributes

T  Time stamps

S  NTFS access control list (ACL)

O  Owner information

U  Auditing information

The default value for CopyFlags is DAT (data, attributes, and time stamps).

/dcopy:T

Copies directory time stamps.

/sec

Copies files with security (equivalent to /copy:DAT).

/copyall

Copies all file information (equivalent to /copy:DATSOU).

/nocopy

Copies no file information (useful with /purge).

/secfix

Fixes file security on all files, even skipped ones.

/timfix

Fixes file times on all files, even skipped ones.

/purge

Deletes destination files and directories that no longer exist in the source. For additional information, see Remarks.

/mir

Mirrors a directory tree (equivalent to /e plus /purge). For additional information, see Remarks.

/mov

Moves files, and deletes them from the source after they are copied.

/move

Moves files and directories, and deletes them from the source after they are copied.

/a+:[RASHCNET]

Adds the specified attributes to copied files.

/a-:[RASHCNET]

Removes the specified attributes from copied files.

/create

Creates a directory tree and zero-length files only.

/fat

Creates destination files by using 8.3 character-length FAT file names only.

/256

Turns off support for very long paths (longer than 256 characters).

/mon:<N>

Monitors the source, and runs again when more than N changes are detected.

/mot:<M>

Monitors source, and runs again in M minutes if changes are detected.

/MT[:N]

Creates multi-threaded copies with N threads. N must be an integer between 1 and 128. The default value for N is 8.

The /MT parameter cannot be used with the /IPG and /EFSRAW parameters.

Redirect output using /LOG option for better performance.

System_CAPS_noteNote

The /MT parameter applies to Windows Server 2008 R2 and Windows 7.

/rh:hhmm-hhmm

Specifies run times when new copies may be started.

/pf

Checks run times on a per-file (not per-pass) basis.

/ipg:n

Specifies the inter-packet gap to free bandwidth on slow lines.

/sl

Copies the symbolic link instead of the target.

System_CAPS_importantImportant

When using the /SECFIX copy option, specify the type of security information you want to copy by also using one of these additional copy options:

/COPYALL

/COPY:O

/COPY:S

/COPY:U

/SEC

File selection options

Option

Description

/a

Copies only files for which the Archive attribute is set.

/m

Copies only files for which the Archive attribute is set, and resets the Archive attribute.

/ia:[RASHCNETO]

Includes only files for which any of the specified attributes are set.

/xa:[RASHCNETO]

Excludes files for which any of the specified attributes are set.

/xf <FileName>[ ...]

Excludes files that match the specified names or paths. Note that FileName can include wildcard characters (* and ?).

/xd <Directory>[ ...]

Excludes directories that match the specified names and paths.

/xct

Excludes changed files.

/xn

Excludes newer files.

/xo

Excludes older files.

/xx

Excludes extra files and directories.

/xl

Excludes "lonely" files and directories.

/is

Includes the same files.

/it

Includes "tweaked" files.

/max:<N>

Specifies the maximum file size (to exclude files bigger than N bytes).

/min:<N>

Specifies the minimum file size (to exclude files smaller than N bytes).

/maxage:<N>

Specifies the maximum file age (to exclude files older than N days or date).

/minage:<N>

Specifies the minimum file age (exclude files newer than N days or date).

/maxlad:<N>

Specifies the maximum last access date (excludes files unused since N).

/minlad:<N>

Specifies the minimum last access date (excludes files used since N) If N is less than 1900, N specifies the number of days. Otherwise, N specifies a date in the format YYYYMMDD.

/xj

Excludes junction points, which are normally included by default.

/fft

Assumes FAT file times (two-second precision).

/dst

Compensates for one-hour DST time differences.

/xjd

Excludes junction points for directories.

/xjf

Excludes junction points for files.

Retry options

Option

Description

/r:<N>

Specifies the number of retries on failed copies. The default value of N is 1,000,000 (one million retries).

/w:<N>

Specifies the wait time between retries, in seconds. The default value of N is 30  (wait time 30 seconds).

/reg

Saves the values specified in the /r and /w options as default settings in the registry.

/tbd

Specifies that the system will wait for share names to be defined (retry error 67).

Logging options

Option

Description

/l

Specifies that files are to be listed only (and not copied, deleted, or time stamped).

/x

Reports all extra files, not just those that are selected.

/v

Produces verbose output, and shows all skipped files.

/ts

Includes source file time stamps in the output.

/fp

Includes the full path names of the files in the output.

/bytes

Prints sizes, as bytes.

/ns

Specifies that file sizes are not to be logged.

/nc

Specifies that file classes are not to be logged.

/nfl

Specifies that file names are not to be logged.

/ndl

Specifies that directory names are not to be logged.

/np

Specifies that the progress of the copying operation (the number of files or directories copied so far) will not be displayed.

/eta

Shotws the estimated time of arrival (ETA) of the copied files.

/log:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file (overwrites the existing log file).

/log+:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file (appends the output to the existing log file).

/unicode

Displays the status output as Unicode text.

/unilog:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file as Unicode text (overwrites the existing log file).

/unilog+:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file as Unicode text (appends the output to the existing log file).

/tee

Writes the status output to the console window, as well as to the log file.

/njh

Specifies that there is no job header.

/njs

Specifies that there is no job summary.

Job options

Option

Description

/job:<JobName>

Specifies that parameters are to be derived from the named job file.

/save:<JobName>

Specifies that parameters are to be saved to the named job file.

/quit

Quits after processing command line (to view parameters).

/nosd

Indicates that no source directory is specified.

/nodd

Indicates that no destination directory is specified.

/if

Includes the specified files.

Remarks

The /mir option is equivalent to the /e plus /purge options with one small difference in behavior:

With the /e plus /purge options, if the destination directory exists, the destination directory security settings are not overwritten.

With the /mir option, if the destination directory exists, the destination directory security settings are overwritten.   

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: 13 January 2021 19:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] cloning a drive accessibly

 

Hi.

 

Since I have some cash to burn after christmas and since my portable

drives are aging, I thought I'd do a transfer of content and get a new

drive.

 

Now, how easy is it to clone that drive or transfer it over.

 

Previously I have done that manually via explorer and while that works

it takes ages.

 

Also explorer and the large sizes of things mean that the system is not

as stable as it could be doing massive file opperations.

 

So what is the most accessible way with nvda to clone the drives over.

 

I want to transfer all folders etc over.

 

I will be putting things to a bigger drive, so I don't want to copy an

exact copy of the partition record just the files and sub folders over

with all contents obviously.

 

I also want to be able to select everything on that drive aI am doing

transfer to, but deselect things I don't want, one of the drives has

older backup data for another system which I no longer need, is there an

easy way to handle that.

 

Shaun

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: cloning a drive accessibly

Richard Kuzma
 

Sounds nice,

Where can we get this utility please?

Thanks

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2021 8:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] cloning a drive accessibly

 

Hi

Robocopy is very good and can be configured to produce a report of what has been copied.  I use it to back up my Document and Music folders to a USB drive.  It is a Windows utility that has been around for years so will not be the quickest but there are many config options as can be seen below:

 

Robocopy - Copies file data.

Syntax

Copy

robocopy <Source> <Destination> [<File>[ ...]] [<Options>]

Parameters

Parameter

Description

<Source>

Specifies the path to the source directory.

<Destination>

Specifies the path to the destination directory.

<File>

Specifies the file or files to be copied. You can use wildcard characters (* or ?), if you want. If the File parameter is not specified, *.* is used as the default value.

<Options>

Specifies options to be used with the robocopy command.

Copy options

Option

Description

/s

Copies subdirectories. Note that this option excludes empty directories.

/e

Copies subdirectories. Note that this option includes empty directories. For additional information, see Remarks.

/lev:<N>

Copies only the top N levels of the source directory tree.

/z

Copies files in Restart mode.

/b

Copies files in Backup mode.

/zb

Uses Restart mode. If access is denied, this option uses Backup mode.

/efsraw

Copies all encrypted files in EFS RAW mode.

/copy:<CopyFlags>

Specifies the file properties to be copied. The following are the valid values for this option:

D  Data

A  Attributes

T  Time stamps

S  NTFS access control list (ACL)

O  Owner information

U  Auditing information

The default value for CopyFlags is DAT (data, attributes, and time stamps).

/dcopy:T

Copies directory time stamps.

/sec

Copies files with security (equivalent to /copy:DAT).

/copyall

Copies all file information (equivalent to /copy:DATSOU).

/nocopy

Copies no file information (useful with /purge).

/secfix

Fixes file security on all files, even skipped ones.

/timfix

Fixes file times on all files, even skipped ones.

/purge

Deletes destination files and directories that no longer exist in the source. For additional information, see Remarks.

/mir

Mirrors a directory tree (equivalent to /e plus /purge). For additional information, see Remarks.

/mov

Moves files, and deletes them from the source after they are copied.

/move

Moves files and directories, and deletes them from the source after they are copied.

/a+:[RASHCNET]

Adds the specified attributes to copied files.

/a-:[RASHCNET]

Removes the specified attributes from copied files.

/create

Creates a directory tree and zero-length files only.

/fat

Creates destination files by using 8.3 character-length FAT file names only.

/256

Turns off support for very long paths (longer than 256 characters).

/mon:<N>

Monitors the source, and runs again when more than N changes are detected.

/mot:<M>

Monitors source, and runs again in M minutes if changes are detected.

/MT[:N]

Creates multi-threaded copies with N threads. N must be an integer between 1 and 128. The default value for N is 8.

The /MT parameter cannot be used with the /IPG and /EFSRAW parameters.

Redirect output using /LOG option for better performance.

System_CAPS_noteNote

The /MT parameter applies to Windows Server 2008 R2 and Windows 7.

/rh:hhmm-hhmm

Specifies run times when new copies may be started.

/pf

Checks run times on a per-file (not per-pass) basis.

/ipg:n

Specifies the inter-packet gap to free bandwidth on slow lines.

/sl

Copies the symbolic link instead of the target.

System_CAPS_importantImportant

When using the /SECFIX copy option, specify the type of security information you want to copy by also using one of these additional copy options:

/COPYALL

/COPY:O

/COPY:S

/COPY:U

/SEC

File selection options

Option

Description

/a

Copies only files for which the Archive attribute is set.

/m

Copies only files for which the Archive attribute is set, and resets the Archive attribute.

/ia:[RASHCNETO]

Includes only files for which any of the specified attributes are set.

/xa:[RASHCNETO]

Excludes files for which any of the specified attributes are set.

/xf <FileName>[ ...]

Excludes files that match the specified names or paths. Note that FileName can include wildcard characters (* and ?).

/xd <Directory>[ ...]

Excludes directories that match the specified names and paths.

/xct

Excludes changed files.

/xn

Excludes newer files.

/xo

Excludes older files.

/xx

Excludes extra files and directories.

/xl

Excludes "lonely" files and directories.

/is

Includes the same files.

/it

Includes "tweaked" files.

/max:<N>

Specifies the maximum file size (to exclude files bigger than N bytes).

/min:<N>

Specifies the minimum file size (to exclude files smaller than N bytes).

/maxage:<N>

Specifies the maximum file age (to exclude files older than N days or date).

/minage:<N>

Specifies the minimum file age (exclude files newer than N days or date).

/maxlad:<N>

Specifies the maximum last access date (excludes files unused since N).

/minlad:<N>

Specifies the minimum last access date (excludes files used since N) If N is less than 1900, N specifies the number of days. Otherwise, N specifies a date in the format YYYYMMDD.

/xj

Excludes junction points, which are normally included by default.

/fft

Assumes FAT file times (two-second precision).

/dst

Compensates for one-hour DST time differences.

/xjd

Excludes junction points for directories.

/xjf

Excludes junction points for files.

Retry options

Option

Description

/r:<N>

Specifies the number of retries on failed copies. The default value of N is 1,000,000 (one million retries).

/w:<N>

Specifies the wait time between retries, in seconds. The default value of N is 30  (wait time 30 seconds).

/reg

Saves the values specified in the /r and /w options as default settings in the registry.

/tbd

Specifies that the system will wait for share names to be defined (retry error 67).

Logging options

Option

Description

/l

Specifies that files are to be listed only (and not copied, deleted, or time stamped).

/x

Reports all extra files, not just those that are selected.

/v

Produces verbose output, and shows all skipped files.

/ts

Includes source file time stamps in the output.

/fp

Includes the full path names of the files in the output.

/bytes

Prints sizes, as bytes.

/ns

Specifies that file sizes are not to be logged.

/nc

Specifies that file classes are not to be logged.

/nfl

Specifies that file names are not to be logged.

/ndl

Specifies that directory names are not to be logged.

/np

Specifies that the progress of the copying operation (the number of files or directories copied so far) will not be displayed.

/eta

Shotws the estimated time of arrival (ETA) of the copied files.

/log:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file (overwrites the existing log file).

/log+:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file (appends the output to the existing log file).

/unicode

Displays the status output as Unicode text.

/unilog:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file as Unicode text (overwrites the existing log file).

/unilog+:<LogFile>

Writes the status output to the log file as Unicode text (appends the output to the existing log file).

/tee

Writes the status output to the console window, as well as to the log file.

/njh

Specifies that there is no job header.

/njs

Specifies that there is no job summary.

Job options

Option

Description

/job:<JobName>

Specifies that parameters are to be derived from the named job file.

/save:<JobName>

Specifies that parameters are to be saved to the named job file.

/quit

Quits after processing command line (to view parameters).

/nosd

Indicates that no source directory is specified.

/nodd

Indicates that no destination directory is specified.

/if

Includes the specified files.

Remarks

The /mir option is equivalent to the /e plus /purge options with one small difference in behavior:

With the /e plus /purge options, if the destination directory exists, the destination directory security settings are not overwritten.

With the /mir option, if the destination directory exists, the destination directory security settings are overwritten.   

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: 13 January 2021 19:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] cloning a drive accessibly

 

Hi.

 

Since I have some cash to burn after christmas and since my portable

drives are aging, I thought I'd do a transfer of content and get a new

drive.

 

Now, how easy is it to clone that drive or transfer it over.

 

Previously I have done that manually via explorer and while that works

it takes ages.

 

Also explorer and the large sizes of things mean that the system is not

as stable as it could be doing massive file opperations.

 

So what is the most accessible way with nvda to clone the drives over.

 

I want to transfer all folders etc over.

 

I will be putting things to a bigger drive, so I don't want to copy an

exact copy of the partition record just the files and sub folders over

with all contents obviously.

 

I also want to be able to select everything on that drive aI am doing

transfer to, but deselect things I don't want, one of the drives has

older backup data for another system which I no longer need, is there an

easy way to handle that.

 

Shaun

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Windows 10 native Mail app

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Brian

If you are using Windows 10 I would install the Windows 10 App essentials add-on, which smoothes out some of the accessibility wrinkles within the OS and it’s apps, including Windows Mail.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: Brian Williams
Sent: 14 January 2021 07:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 native Mail app

 

Hi all, recently returned to windows from a Macbook which I never really got on with. Using the native app for mail, going to the list of emails I have received I press enter to open one. I am only then able to read it line by line  by holding down the control Key and using the down arrow. If I just use the down arrow key it reads the same line over and over. Is this an issue with NVDA, is there a keyboard command I am using wrongly or missing? The mail app does seem to be a bit fiddly but I don’t know whether it’s Windows 10 problem or a NVDA problem. is there a specific NVDA list of keystrokes to use within the mail app? Grateful for your help.

Brian

 

 

 

 

 

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