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Re: Excel 2016: Formulas

Pele West
 

Hi Brian

I have only tried typing a formula in the cell. This is how I have done
it for the last 20 years and it has worked until now.

What is the best way to get to the formula bar?

Thanks

Pele


Re: Is anyone using a password manager?

Stephen
 

For simplicity, and for both an offline and cloud solution, it seems like 1password may be the better of the bunch, while kee pass may suit some people who like to tinker and customise their environment.
Cheers.
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Sascha Cowley via groups.io <sascha.camille@...>
Sent: 1/17/2021 5:29:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is anyone using a password manager?

I use Bitwarden. The Firefox addon (and thus presumably the Chrome/Edge addon) is very usable with NVDA, though there are a few things that aren't especially intuitive. The Android app is mostly accessible, but most of the inaccessible parts can be worked out either through context or just trying and seeing what happens. The iOS app doesn't play especially nicely with VoiceOver, but is usable.


Re: Is anyone using a password manager?

Sascha Cowley
 

I use Bitwarden. The Firefox addon (and thus presumably the Chrome/Edge addon) is very usable with NVDA, though there are a few things that aren't especially intuitive. The Android app is mostly accessible, but most of the inaccessible parts can be worked out either through context or just trying and seeing what happens. The iOS app doesn't play especially nicely with VoiceOver, but is usable.


Re: jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents

Jackie
 

Use f3 instead.

On 1/16/21, mcLeod stinnett <macks75205@gmail.com> wrote:

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the article on the page, I press insert f3 and press down arrow to continue
reading. how to do this in documents, thanks.





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jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents

mcLeod stinnett
 

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from mack often I take articles along with their subsequent comments offline and put them in notepad. I save the article and read it in windows explorer, documents. the only problem is I don't know how to jump to the next occurrence of a word like comments, to get to the next post. if I read the article on the page, I press insert f3 and press down arrow to continue reading. how to do this in documents, thanks.


Re: NVDA Is Very Sluggish in Thunderbird

Kevin Cussick
 

I have posted this more than once but it has been a while, it may or may not fix but will not do any harm.

General sluggishness with Thunderbird. I have a feeling, though,
that this is a Thunderbird issue and nothing to do with NVDA.
Try disabling Tools -> Options -> Advanced -> Enable Global Search and
Indexer. Note that this isn't accessibility or screen reader specific,
but I personally found that global search didn't help me and was a
performance killer.

On 16/01/2021 18:57, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Mary,
When I first open t-bird, it's slow in getting new messages butonce that's done, it works perfectly with NVDA.
Rosemarie
On 1/16/2021 9:50 AM, Mary Otten wrote:
Hi Rich,


My experience with NVDA and T-bird is that there is sluggishness when I forrst open t-bird, while it is doing its thing of fetching mail and catching up with what I've done with email on my phone, which has my email as well. Once t-bird is done with its housekeeping, then NVDA acts perfectly fine with no sluggishness. In other words, I do not experience sluggishness except when I first open the app after the pc has beel asleep for a while and I've been doing email stuff on my phone. Keeping your trash emptied helps.


Mary


On 1/16/2021 9:47 AM, Rich DeSteno wrote:
I am using NVDA Version 2020.3 on a Windows 10 computer.  I use Thunderbird Version 78, which I believe is the current version. Recently, NVDA has become very sluggish in Thunderbird.  Reaction to key strokes often takes up to several seconds.  This makes it very difficult to read or write emails.  What could be the problem here? Nothing has changed with my system.





Re: how to reorder columns in Thunderbird

Charlotte
 

Thanks so much for this. I'll go and download the add on on my new device and read up on the documentation. This sounds like it will do the trick.

On 1/16/2021 3:11 PM, Gene wrote:
The easiest way is to use the NVDA add-on Mozilla Apps Enhancements.  You can get it and read about it here:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html

If you use NVDA key h, a dialog will come up.  You are in a list of columns. To get the from line to appear before the subject line, find subject, then tab to and use the move down button. Pressing it once may be enough.  As I recall, the dialog has an ok button.  You must change the order in every folder.  If you want the change to be made in the inbox and other folders, in other words, you must be in the message list for every folder you want to change and make the change.

I really think there is no excuse for Mozilla not to have made changing column order accessible.  The program has been in existence for years and they must have gotten many complaints and requests over the years.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Charlotte
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 1:52 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] how to reorder columns in Thunderbird

Hello everyone. I am setting up a new pc and my Thunderbird columns are
wonky again. The subject reads first and I'd like the from field to read
first. I know there is a way to reorder this I just can not remember it.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Charlotte









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Re: how to reorder columns in Thunderbird

Gene
 

That won't address the problem. That is how messages are organized in the list and has nothing to do with what order headers appear in reading order in the list.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Jaffar Sidek
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to reorder columns in Thunderbird

Hi Charlotte. Press alt-v for the view menu, arrow down to "Sort By"
and choose the columns items from there. Choose the "From" radio item,
press enter and you'll be on your way. Cheers!

On 17/1/2021 3:52 am, Charlotte wrote:
Hello everyone. I am setting up a new pc and my Thunderbird columns are wonky again. The subject reads first and I'd like the from field to read first. I know there is a way to reorder this I just can not remember it. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Charlotte







Re: how to reorder columns in Thunderbird

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi Charlotte.  Press alt-v for the view menu, arrow down to "Sort By" and choose the columns items  from there.  Choose the "From" radio item, press enter and you'll be on your way.  Cheers!

On 17/1/2021 3:52 am, Charlotte wrote:
Hello everyone. I am setting up a new pc and my Thunderbird columns are wonky again. The subject reads first and I'd like the from field to read first. I know there is a way to reorder this I just can not remember it. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Charlotte






Re: how to reorder columns in Thunderbird

 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 04:38 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
How do you reorder the columns using the add-on?
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Please, people, take a look at the page for a given add-on, in this case Mozilla Apps Enhancements, before asking questions like this.  Most add-on developers for the "officially vetted" add-ons document each and every command you can use with it, and this one is no exception.

See the commands listed under the Thunderbird section, In messages list subsection.  The moving of columns is covered there.
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Re: how to reorder columns in Thunderbird

Gene
 

I describe how in my message. Also, this is a very common method for something to work. You are presented with a list of items, you select an item in the list and you then tab through the fields to see what you can do. That is how the add-ons manager in NVDA works and a lot of other interfaces.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 3:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to reorder columns in Thunderbird

How do you reorder the columns using the add-on?



On 1/16/2021 1:22 PM, matthew dyer wrote:
Hi,


There is an addon called mozilla inhanced addon which will allow you to
do this. HTH,.


Matthew



On 1/16/21 2:52 PM, Charlotte wrote:
Hello everyone. I am setting up a new pc and my Thunderbird columns
are wonky again. The subject reads first and I'd like the from field
to read first. I know there is a way to reorder this I just can not
remember it. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Charlotte









Re: Is anyone using a password manager?

 

I've been using Password Safe, and its Android port, for many years now.  I have my vault synced/stored on my Google Drive, though it can work with any one of a number of cloud based services.  I do this because I want access to my vault on the fly and want updates done on Android to show up on Windows and vice versa.  Both the Windows program, and Android app, both keep local copies that they sync with the cloud, in case you were to be in a situation where you had no internet service and needed access.

It's been a while, but I believe I have had a couple of blind clients using this, and given the "old style Windows" interface under Windows I'd be shocked if it were not accessible.  I've never played with the Android port, or iOS port, with TalkBack or VoiceOver, respectively, so cannot speak at all to their accessibility.

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Re: how to reorder columns in Thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

How do you reorder the columns using the add-on?

On 1/16/2021 1:22 PM, matthew dyer wrote:
Hi,


There is an addon called mozilla inhanced addon which will allow you to
do this.  HTH,.


Matthew



On 1/16/21 2:52 PM, Charlotte wrote:
Hello everyone. I am setting up a new pc and my Thunderbird columns
are wonky again. The subject reads first and I'd like the from field
to read first. I know there is a way to reorder this I just can not
remember it. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Charlotte








Re: how to reorder columns in Thunderbird

matthew dyer <ilovecountrymusic483@...>
 

Hi,


There is an addon called mozilla inhanced addon which will allow you to
do this.  HTH,.


Matthew

On 1/16/21 2:52 PM, Charlotte wrote:
Hello everyone. I am setting up a new pc and my Thunderbird columns
are wonky again. The subject reads first and I'd like the from field
to read first. I know there is a way to reorder this I just can not
remember it. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Charlotte







Re: NVDA Is Very Sluggish in Thunderbird

Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
 

Hi.  Give Thunderbird a chance to download all your emails. Everything about Thunderbird gets sluggish while mail is being downloaded, hence NVDA's slow response.  Also, while you are writing mail, it continually copies your message to draft.  These are Thunderbird specific ptasks and not I think, anything to do with NVDA.  We sometimes have to differentiate between NVDA's sluggishness from those caused by  the programs it is supposed to interpret.  NVDA can only respond as smoothly as applications will allow it.  If, However NVDA gets sluggish while you are not actively engaging your system, then the fault lies with NVDA itself, since anything that can go wrong during installation will go wrong.  Cheers!.

On 17/1/2021 1:47 am, Rich DeSteno wrote:
I am using NVDA Version 2020.3 on a Windows 10 computer.  I use Thunderbird Version 78, which I believe is the current version. Recently, NVDA has become very sluggish in Thunderbird.  Reaction to key strokes often takes up to several seconds.  This makes it very difficult to read or write emails.  What could be the problem here?  Nothing has changed with my system.


Re: how to reorder columns in Thunderbird

Gene
 

The easiest way is to use the NVDA add-on Mozilla Apps Enhancements. You can get it and read about it here:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/mozillaScripts.en.html

If you use NVDA key h, a dialog will come up. You are in a list of columns. To get the from line to appear before the subject line, find subject, then tab to and use the move down button. Pressing it once may be enough. As I recall, the dialog has an ok button. You must change the order in every folder. If you want the change to be made in the inbox and other folders, in other words, you must be in the message list for every folder you want to change and make the change.

I really think there is no excuse for Mozilla not to have made changing column order accessible. The program has been in existence for years and they must have gotten many complaints and requests over the years.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlotte
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 1:52 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] how to reorder columns in Thunderbird

Hello everyone. I am setting up a new pc and my Thunderbird columns are
wonky again. The subject reads first and I'd like the from field to read
first. I know there is a way to reorder this I just can not remember it.
Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Charlotte


Re: Is anyone using a password manager?

Stephen
 

I agree. there's even a special mode for screen reader users in the configuration options.
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Jacob Kruger <jacob@...>
Sent: 1/16/2021 11:14:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is anyone using a password manager?

I use KeePass 2, and, it works just fine with NVDA.


https://keepass.info/download.html


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On 2021-01-16 11:35 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If so, which one is it and how accessible is it?

Thankks,
John


Re: Is anyone using a password manager?

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

I have tried many of these things out, including Lastpass, 1Password, Dashlane, Roboform, Bitwarden, and Keypass, as well as other Keypass derivatives. Dashlane is not accessible, roboform is painful, Keypass requires using another cloud service to sync your database which is more work and, in my view, not as safe as you are now trusting your own back-up and another cloud provider other than your Password manager with all your passwords, although some may feel differently about that. Another issue with Keypass is the mobile apps are 3rd-party apps. Lastpass used to be more accessible, and it is usable at present, but it has gotten more painful. They have also had a number of security breaches over the years, so I've stopped using them. Bitwarden is usable, but its desktop apps aren't accessible, and its Android app for auto-fill is fine, but 1Password is better. I have interacted with the 1password devs on a number of occasions through their forum, and through Twitter. They do care about accessibility, their desktop apps are accessible and offer keyboard shortcuts, they work on all platforms with equal accessibility, and they are quite secure. They are also very highly rated, and give the option to use your own cloud provider if you wish, or to use them to help sync your data. Their extension, 1Password X, is usable, but it has a way to go, and could do with more keyboard shortcuts. The one benefit of using that particular extension is the integration with privacy.com for creating virtual cards, which is a service I also use.

By the way, if you would like a demo on 1Password and Bitwarden on Windows, Android, or iOS, check out the BlindTechGuys podcast as about a month ago, we had a number of podcasts where these two password managers were demoed and discussed. www.blindtechguys.com.

To tie all of this to NVDA, 1Password is the easiest to use with NVDA with the desktop app, but Lastpass and Bitwarden are doable, as is Keypass. Unfortunately, Dashlane is not usable.

Thanks.


On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 12:37 PM Russell James <4rjames@...> wrote:
Hi Jacob,

Can you share that with your Android devices?

Thank you

Russ

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 7:14 AM Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:

I use KeePass 2, and, it works just fine with NVDA.


https://keepass.info/download.html


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On 2021-01-16 11:35 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If so, which one is it and how accessible is it?

Thankks,
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Re: Is anyone using a password manager?

Russell James
 

Hi Jacob,

Can you share that with your Android devices?

Thank you

Russ


On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 7:14 AM Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:

I use KeePass 2, and, it works just fine with NVDA.


https://keepass.info/download.html


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On 2021-01-16 11:35 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
If so, which one is it and how accessible is it?

Thankks,
John


Re: how to reorder columns in Thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I've been wondering how to rearrange columns in thunderbird too. I do have an add-on for that but don't quite know how to use it.

On 1/16/2021 11:52 AM, Charlotte wrote:
Hello everyone. I am setting up a new pc and my Thunderbird columns are wonky again. The subject reads first and I'd like the from field to read first. I know there is a way to reorder this I just can not remember it. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Charlotte





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