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Re: Windows 10 native Mail app

 

Hi,

Parts of Windows 10 App Essentials are being rolled into NVDA Core at the moment. NVDA 2020.4 includes a notable contribution from this add-on, namely support for modern Windows 10 Calculator.

I noted “parts of the add-on” because of the way Windows 10 and its apps are developed: Windows 10 is a service, therefore changes happen frequently. This necessitates keeping up with Windows 10 and its apps on an ongoing basis – a bit close to real-time, but not quite. What makes it hard is that changes made to Windows 10 and apps can be reversed at any moment, therefore causing developers to scramble to undo changes or put compatibility layer in place. Add to the fact that NVDA stable releases happen in a matter of months (typically two to three months), and because some users install new Windows 10 development builds on a weekly basis, by the time a new NVDA stable version comes out, what NVDA knows about Windows 10 would be really out of date. Therefore a safer approach is letting Windows 10 App Essentials add-on fill the gap until certain Windows 10 features are announced as being made available to the general public, and then submit changes from the add-on to NVDA Core so it can be included in the next NVDA stable release. This is the reason why, at least once a month or two, you’ll get Windows 10 App Essentials update announcement.

To illustrate what I’m saying, here’s the procedure I employ when developing Windows 10 App Essentials add-on:

  1. As a Windows Insider, I install Windows 10 development builds on a weekly basis. We have folks here and on Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users who are on the same boat as I.
  2. I read release notes for builds carefully, trying to see if there are visible changes that I can test.
  3. After installing a new build, I spend some time exploring new and changed features.
  4. If I do discover a bug, I debug it and try to come up with a fix.
  5. Once a fix (or several of them) is tested and verified, I package it as part of an add-on development snapshot, which is then deployed so you can get it. These development snapshots are equivalent to NVDA alpha builds.
  6. If a change is made to NVDA (especially from an alpha build) that will break the add-on, I package workarounds and deploy it as a snapshot.
  7. For items 5 and 6, I try my best to limit snapshots to once a day. Sometimes you’ll see fixes for Windows 10 builds, sometimes a workaround for NVDA is included, sometimes both, sometimes just localization updates. The above procedure is also applicable when I write a fix for app support.
  8. Toward the middle of the month, I finalize the next stable release and prepare the add-on for stable channel distribution.
  9. Close to end of the month, I submit the next stable add-on to NVDA add-ons community for distribution. This can change if the last Windows 10 build of the month makes significant changes that will break the add-on and/or NVDA, in which case I delay the stable release in order to let folks test last minute fixes. Typically this happens because a change is made to an app’s accessibility API implementation (typically UIA property or event changes) that will force me to write compatibility layer for old and new apps, or the executable for a Windows 10 app changes which breaks not only the add-on, but also NVDA itself (this happened last year when the executable file name for Mail and Calendar for Insiders changed, which broke NVDA’s Mail app support facility; a fix is included in a recent NVDA release, but was made close to unnecessary as the Mail and Calendar app executable file name was reverted to the name used until 2019; this delayed Windows 10 App Essentials 21.01 by a few days so I can work on supporting old and new Mail and Calendar app releases).

In other words, these days Windows 10 App Essentials add-on has become a testing platform for features that will be included in NVDA Core given stability over time. This is not limited to WinTenApps at all – you may have noticed that parts of other add-ons made their way into NVDA Core, the biggest change planned being incorporating Add-on Updater into NVDA Core in the future (a different topic).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 11:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 native Mail app

 

Out of curiosity, if an add-on is needed to have reliable access to what are considered essential Windows apps, I just gotta ask… Why not just roll that into the core functionality of NVDA?



On Jan 14, 2021, at 5:22 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:



Hi Brian

If you are using Windows 10 I would install the Windows 10 App essentials add-on, which smoothes out some of the accessibility wrinkles within the OS and it’s apps, including Windows Mail.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: Brian Williams
Sent: 14 January 2021 07:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 native Mail app

 

Hi all, recently returned to windows from a Macbook which I never really got on with. Using the native app for mail, going to the list of emails I have received I press enter to open one. I am only then able to read it line by line  by holding down the control Key and using the down arrow. If I just use the down arrow key it reads the same line over and over. Is this an issue with NVDA, is there a keyboard command I am using wrongly or missing? The mail app does seem to be a bit fiddly but I don’t know whether it’s Windows 10 problem or a NVDA problem. is there a specific NVDA list of keystrokes to use within the mail app? Grateful for your help.

Brian

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Windows 10 native Mail app

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Some of it does get rolled into the NVDA core but I think Joseph Lee uses the add-on as a vehicle to apply solutions quickly without having to wait for NVDA releases.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Luke Robinett
Sent: 17 January 2021 19:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 native Mail app

 

Out of curiosity, if an add-on is needed to have reliable access to what are considered essential Windows apps, I just gotta ask… Why not just roll that into the core functionality of NVDA?



On Jan 14, 2021, at 5:22 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:



Hi Brian

If you are using Windows 10 I would install the Windows 10 App essentials add-on, which smoothes out some of the accessibility wrinkles within the OS and it’s apps, including Windows Mail.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: Brian Williams
Sent: 14 January 2021 07:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 native Mail app

 

Hi all, recently returned to windows from a Macbook which I never really got on with. Using the native app for mail, going to the list of emails I have received I press enter to open one. I am only then able to read it line by line  by holding down the control Key and using the down arrow. If I just use the down arrow key it reads the same line over and over. Is this an issue with NVDA, is there a keyboard command I am using wrongly or missing? The mail app does seem to be a bit fiddly but I don’t know whether it’s Windows 10 problem or a NVDA problem. is there a specific NVDA list of keystrokes to use within the mail app? Grateful for your help.

Brian

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Windows 10 native Mail app

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Out of curiosity, if an add-on is needed to have reliable access to what are considered essential Windows apps, I just gotta ask… Why not just roll that into the core functionality of NVDA?

On Jan 14, 2021, at 5:22 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:



Hi Brian

If you are using Windows 10 I would install the Windows 10 App essentials add-on, which smoothes out some of the accessibility wrinkles within the OS and it’s apps, including Windows Mail.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: Brian Williams
Sent: 14 January 2021 07:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 native Mail app

 

Hi all, recently returned to windows from a Macbook which I never really got on with. Using the native app for mail, going to the list of emails I have received I press enter to open one. I am only then able to read it line by line  by holding down the control Key and using the down arrow. If I just use the down arrow key it reads the same line over and over. Is this an issue with NVDA, is there a keyboard command I am using wrongly or missing? The mail app does seem to be a bit fiddly but I don’t know whether it’s Windows 10 problem or a NVDA problem. is there a specific NVDA list of keystrokes to use within the mail app? Grateful for your help.

Brian

 

 

 

 

 


Re: ending meetings in ms teams

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Yeah, I highly recommend studying and memorizing the teams shortcut keys because they are super useful. As for the leave button, I don’t have that problem myself. The quickest way to move between different sections of teams is to press control F6 or control shift F6 if you want to go backward. Do this a couple of times and you will hear NVDA announce ”toolbar.” In toolbar you can use your left and right arrow keys to move through the controls. The leave button is on the far right and simply hitting spacebar on it exits the chat, at least for me.

On Jan 15, 2021, at 12:24 AM, Sharad Koirala <shakoirala@gmail.com> wrote:

thank u.

On 1/15/21, Vaibhav Saraf <vaibhav.s.acc@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Yes you should be in focus mode, but the mode is auto when you tab into the
list and the shortcut Ctrl + Shift +B is the best bet to end the meeting.

Thanks,
Vaibhav


On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 at 11:10, BlindEducator <blindeducator@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi,

When in a meeting on MSTeams. Just press Ctrl+shift+b to end a meeting.
Other then that, you can tab or shift+tab until you get to the control
bar.
From there, just left or right arrow to move through your options. You
may
need to toggle between browse and focus modes. I am not in front of my
computer to double check. But one will allow you to arrow around and the
other won’t. You want to arrow to the far right to get to the hang up
button to select let. Hope this helps.










--
Dr. Sharad Koirala
Lecturer
Department of Community Medicine
Gandaki Medical College, Pokhara, Nepal





Re: Reading chats in MS Teams

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

I use teams extensively on a daily basis at my job and it seems to work just fine for me. I’ll describe what I’m doing and you tell me where your experience differs.
If I want to chat with somebody from my chat history, I press control 2 which takes me to the recent chat list. I use the up and down arrow keys to find the chat I want and then hit enter to open it. This puts focus in the text box of that chat. If I press shift tab I land inside the messages area. I press NVDA spacebar to enter forms mode. While in forms mode, I can simply use the up and down arrow keys to move easily from message to message. Pressing enter on a message gives me reactions and while in that screen, pressing tab gets me a menu with more options. Hitting escape a few times gets me back to the main messages list.
If you haven’t already, I recommend studying and learning the Microsoft teams shortcut keys because they are extremely useful. Hope that helps. If I’m not addressing your question, let me know where I went wrong.


Re: jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents

benmoxey@...
 

Hi Monti

Use Control + Page Down to take you to the next result, and Control + Page Up to take you to the previous. Note that the result is automatically selected when you navigate with this method.

If you have not performed a document search in Word, the Control + Page Up and Control + Page Down shortcuts move to the previous and next page by default.

If you have performed a document search and want the Control + Page Up and Control + Page Down shortcuts to navigate by page again, simply press Control + G to load the Go To dialog box. It will be set to page automatically. Enter a desired page number if you like or just press Enter. Then, simply escape the dialog box and return to the document.

Cheers

Ben

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, 18 January 2021 5:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents

To find the first occurrence, do the same as in Notepad. To find repeated occurrences, use control end. I would think control home would move back to the previous occurrence but I may never have tried that.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents



Cheers, MonteHow do I do this in m s word 2016?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 17, 2021 8:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents

It isn't always the same in every text editor or word processor. Usually,
the following will work. It does in Notepad.
Use control f to open find.
Type what you are searching for and press enter.
Then press escape. You have closed the search dialog and You are now on the
first occurrence of what you are searching for. If nothing is found you
will receive an error message which you can close by pressing escape twice.
You are actually closing the escape message and then closing the search
dialog.
To search for repeated occurrences, simply press f3. You will move to the
next occurrence. You don't have to press escape after using f3.

To summarize, control f, Type the search and press enter.
Press escape.
To repeat the search, press f3. Don't press escape. You are on the word if
it is found, or you will get an error message you can close with escape.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: mcLeod stinnett
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents


--
from mack often I take articles along with their subsequent comments
offline and put them in notepad. I save the article and read it in windows
explorer, documents. the only problem is I don't know how to jump to the
next occurrence of a word like comments, to get to the next post. if I read
the article on the page, I press insert f3 and press down arrow to continue
reading. how to do this in documents, thanks.


Re: Excel 2016: Formulas

Louis Maher
 

In editing Excel cells, sometime it is necessary to make the following configuration change.

 

You can try unchecking the box which says “allow editing directly in cells”.  In Excel 365, do this:

Open an Excel spreadsheet. 

Type alt + f. Up arrow to options, hit enter. Down arrow to advanced. Tab until you find the box which says “allow editing directly in cells. Uncheck that

box. Shift + Tab until you reach OK. Hit enter.

 

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan COHN via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel 2016: Formulas

 

F2 brings you to the formula bar. This does have something to do with the auto complete, but I haven't edited formulas in Excel in a couple years, so I don't remember exactly why there are issues. Using arrow keys, I believe jumps you to the excel table to select a cell or group s of cells to add to the formula. 


Re: prezi with nvda

farhan israk
 

No


On Sun, 17 Jan 2021, 11:42 pm Jonathan COHN via groups.io, <jonathan.c.cohn=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
As of two years ago, it appeared this platform was inaccessible. Did you look at their web site to see if they have an accessibility statement? 


On Jan 17, 2021, at 11:51, farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...> wrote:

Prezi


Re: jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents

Gene
 

To find the first occurrence, do the same as in Notepad. To find repeated occurrences, use control end. I would think control home would move back to the previous occurrence but I may never have tried that.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Monte Single
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents



Cheers, MonteHow do I do this in m s word 2016?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 17, 2021 8:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents

It isn't always the same in every text editor or word processor. Usually, the following will work. It does in Notepad.
Use control f to open find.
Type what you are searching for and press enter.
Then press escape. You have closed the search dialog and You are now on the first occurrence of what you are searching for. If nothing is found you will receive an error message which you can close by pressing escape twice.
You are actually closing the escape message and then closing the search dialog.
To search for repeated occurrences, simply press f3. You will move to the next occurrence. You don't have to press escape after using f3.

To summarize, control f, Type the search and press enter.
Press escape.
To repeat the search, press f3. Don't press escape. You are on the word if it is found, or you will get an error message you can close with escape.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: mcLeod stinnett
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents


--
from mack often I take articles along with their subsequent comments
offline and put them in notepad. I save the article and read it in windows
explorer, documents. the only problem is I don't know how to jump to the
next occurrence of a word like comments, to get to the next post. if I read
the article on the page, I press insert f3 and press down arrow to continue
reading. how to do this in documents, thanks.


Re: jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents

Monte Single
 

Cheers, MonteHow do I do this in m s word 2016?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 17, 2021 8:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents

It isn't always the same in every text editor or word processor. Usually, the following will work. It does in Notepad.
Use control f to open find.
Type what you are searching for and press enter.
Then press escape. You have closed the search dialog and You are now on the first occurrence of what you are searching for. If nothing is found you will receive an error message which you can close by pressing escape twice.
You are actually closing the escape message and then closing the search dialog.
To search for repeated occurrences, simply press f3. You will move to the next occurrence. You don't have to press escape after using f3.

To summarize, control f, Type the search and press enter.
Press escape.
To repeat the search, press f3. Don't press escape. You are on the word if it is found, or you will get an error message you can close with escape.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: mcLeod stinnett
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents


--
from mack often I take articles along with their subsequent comments
offline and put them in notepad. I save the article and read it in windows
explorer, documents. the only problem is I don't know how to jump to the
next occurrence of a word like comments, to get to the next post. if I read
the article on the page, I press insert f3 and press down arrow to continue
reading. how to do this in documents, thanks.


Re: Excel 2016: Formulas

Jonathan COHN
 

F2 brings you to the formula bar. This does have something to do with the auto complete, but I haven't edited formulas in Excel in a couple years, so I don't remember exactly why there are issues. Using arrow keys, I believe jumps you to the excel table to select a cell or group s of cells to add to the formula. 


Re: prezi with nvda

Jonathan COHN
 

As of two years ago, it appeared this platform was inaccessible. Did you look at their web site to see if they have an accessibility statement? 


On Jan 17, 2021, at 11:51, farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...> wrote:

Prezi


Re: Is anyone using a password manager?

Hope Williamson
 

I use LastPass, and have since 2017. For me it works fine. I can edit, update and add accounts as I need, and if I'm logged into Lastpass, it will auto-fill login information for whatever site I'm trying to log into at the moment.

On 1/16/2021 1:39 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I've been using Password Safe, and its Android port, for many years now.  I have my vault synced/stored on my Google Drive, though it can work with any one of a number of cloud based services.  I do this because I want access to my vault on the fly and want updates done on Android to show up on Windows and vice versa.  Both the Windows program, and Android app, both keep local copies that they sync with the cloud, in case you were to be in a situation where you had no internet service and needed access.

It's been a while, but I believe I have had a couple of blind clients using this, and given the "old style Windows" interface under Windows I'd be shocked if it were not accessible.  I've never played with the Android port, or iOS port, with TalkBack or VoiceOver, respectively, so cannot speak at all to their accessibility.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


prezi with nvda

farhan israk
 

Is Prezi accessible with nvda? How to use it?


Re: jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents

 

F3 has been the "Find next occurrence" function under Windows in virtually every program almost since the very beginning.  I use it constantly.

A variant on that theme is even used in screen reader finds, where "screen reader key" plus F3 does a screen reader find next.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents

Monte Single
 

Thanks Gene,

That's the vest description I've heard for this activity.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 17, 2021 8:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents

It isn't always the same in every text editor or word processor. Usually, the following will work. It does in Notepad.
Use control f to open find.
Type what you are searching for and press enter.
Then press escape. You have closed the search dialog and You are now on the first occurrence of what you are searching for. If nothing is found you will receive an error message which you can close by pressing escape twice.
You are actually closing the escape message and then closing the search dialog.
To search for repeated occurrences, simply press f3. You will move to the next occurrence. You don't have to press escape after using f3.

To summarize, control f, Type the search and press enter.
Press escape.
To repeat the search, press f3. Don't press escape. You are on the word if it is found, or you will get an error message you can close with escape.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: mcLeod stinnett
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents


--
from mack often I take articles along with their subsequent comments
offline and put them in notepad. I save the article and read it in windows
explorer, documents. the only problem is I don't know how to jump to the
next occurrence of a word like comments, to get to the next post. if I read
the article on the page, I press insert f3 and press down arrow to continue
reading. how to do this in documents, thanks.


Re: jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents

Gene
 

It isn't always the same in every text editor or word processor. Usually, the following will work. It does in Notepad.
Use control f to open find.
Type what you are searching for and press enter.
Then press escape. You have closed the search dialog and You are now on the first occurrence of what you are searching for. If nothing is found you will receive an error message which you can close by pressing escape twice. You are actually closing the escape message and then closing the search dialog.
To search for repeated occurrences, simply press f3. You will move to the next occurrence. You don't have to press escape after using f3.

To summarize, control f, Type the search and press enter.
Press escape.
To repeat the search, press f3. Don't press escape. You are on the word if it is found, or you will get an error message you can close with escape.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: mcLeod stinnett
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 11:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] jump to next occurrence of a word in explorer documents


--
from mack often I take articles along with their subsequent comments offline and put them in notepad. I save the article and read it in windows explorer, documents. the only problem is I don't know how to jump to the next occurrence of a word like comments, to get to the next post. if I read the article on the page, I press insert f3 and press down arrow to continue reading. how to do this in documents, thanks.


Re: Is anyone using a password manager?

andru fou
 

I use Keypass and it works fine.
You can open the site with your default browser or choose from your
list of browsers to use Firefox 52.9 for Wbvvisum.
https://keepass.info

On 1/17/21, Stephen <whocrazy@internode.on.net> wrote:
For simplicity, and for both an offline and cloud solution, it seems like
1password may be the better of the bunch, while kee pass may suit some
people
who like to tinker and customise their environment.
Cheers.







----- Original Message -----
From: Sascha Cowley via groups.io <sascha.camille=yahoo.com@groups.io>
Reply-To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: 1/17/2021 5:29:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is anyone using a password manager?


I use Bitwarden. The Firefox addon (and thus presumably the Chrome/Edge
addon)
is very usable with NVDA, though there are a few things that
aren't especially intuitive. The Android app is mostly accessible, but most
of the inaccessible parts can be worked out either through context or just
trying and seeing what happens. The iOS app doesn't
play especially nicely with VoiceOver, but is usable.







Re: Excel 2016: Formulas

Pele West
 

Hi Brian

I have only tried typing a formula in the cell. This is how I have done
it for the last 20 years and it has worked until now.

What is the best way to get to the formula bar?

Thanks

Pele


Re: Is anyone using a password manager?

Stephen
 

For simplicity, and for both an offline and cloud solution, it seems like 1password may be the better of the bunch, while kee pass may suit some people who like to tinker and customise their environment.
Cheers.
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Sascha Cowley via groups.io <sascha.camille@...>
Sent: 1/17/2021 5:29:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is anyone using a password manager?

I use Bitwarden. The Firefox addon (and thus presumably the Chrome/Edge addon) is very usable with NVDA, though there are a few things that aren't especially intuitive. The Android app is mostly accessible, but most of the inaccessible parts can be worked out either through context or just trying and seeing what happens. The iOS app doesn't play especially nicely with VoiceOver, but is usable.

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