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Re: searching in Thunderbird email app

Gene
 

When you open search, the defaultis to search subject. You can tab to a combo box where you change what field will be searched in. Tab further to an edit field where you type what you want to search for, then press enter.

I haven't played with search enough to see how to search more than one field at once. I would think you can, but I don't know how it is done. I suspect you are working in the wrong fields.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 12:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] searching in Thunderbird email app



Well, it does act differently but it still gives me the whole email list and not just the results list. I am obviously doing something wrong. I guess I'll just go back to doing my searches via the GMail web interface.




Thanks Gene,




Dan Beaver


On 1/18/2021 1:31 PM, Dan Beaver via groups.io wrote:


Well, I have been using the search field that is on the screen. I hadn't tried using the ctrl+f keystroke. When I use the search field then try to tab to the list I get the full list of emails not the search results.




I will try the ctrl+f keystroke and see if that behaves differently.




Dan Beaver


On 1/18/2021 1:16 PM, Gene wrote:
How are you searching? If you are using control shift f to open search and searching in that way, once you have done the search and the search is finished, tab twice to the list.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] searching in Thunderbird email app



How do you search for emails in TB? I have tried many times but I can never figure out how to look at a list of the resulting emails. I am assuming it is something special I have to do using NVDA but I could be very wrong about this.





Any help would very much be appreciated.







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Some topic in the main group indicate that they're from chat

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  It looks like I've received a couple of messages from this group that indicate that they're from the chat subgroup, because the word [chat] also appears in the subject line.  I'm not sure of the titles off the top of my head.  I am not subscribed to the chat subgroup, so I don't get messages from it.  I'm not certain who I should've contacted about this issue, but when you post a new topic on the web interface, it goes to the entire group.  I couldn't find a button to send it to the group owner.  I use the web interface rather than posting through E-mail.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: searching in Thunderbird email app

Dan Beaver
 

Well, it does act differently but it still gives me the whole email list and not just the results list.  I am obviously doing something wrong.  I guess I'll just go back to doing my searches via the GMail web interface.


Thanks Gene,


Dan Beaver

On 1/18/2021 1:31 PM, Dan Beaver via groups.io wrote:

Well, I have been using the search field that is on the screen.  I hadn't tried using the ctrl+f keystroke.  When I use the search field then try to tab to the list I get the full list of emails not the search results.


I will try the ctrl+f keystroke and see if that behaves differently.


Dan Beaver

On 1/18/2021 1:16 PM, Gene wrote:
How are you searching?  If you are using control shift f to open search and searching in that way, once you have done the search and the search is finished, tab twice to the list.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] searching in Thunderbird email app



How do you search for emails in TB?  I have tried many times but I can never figure out how to look at a list of the resulting emails.   I am assuming it is something special I have to do using NVDA but I could be very wrong about this.





Any help would very much be appreciated.







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: searching in Thunderbird email app

Dan Beaver
 

Well, I have been using the search field that is on the screen.  I hadn't tried using the ctrl+f keystroke.  When I use the search field then try to tab to the list I get the full list of emails not the search results.


I will try the ctrl+f keystroke and see if that behaves differently.


Dan Beaver

On 1/18/2021 1:16 PM, Gene wrote:
How are you searching?  If you are using control shift f to open search and searching in that way, once you have done the search and the search is finished, tab twice to the list.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] searching in Thunderbird email app



How do you search for emails in TB?  I have tried many times but I can never figure out how to look at a list of the resulting emails.   I am assuming it is something special I have to do using NVDA but I could be very wrong about this.





Any help would very much be appreciated.







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: searching in Thunderbird email app

Gene
 

How are you searching? If you are using control shift f to open search and searching in that way, once you have done the search and the search is finished, tab twice to the list.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] searching in Thunderbird email app



How do you search for emails in TB? I have tried many times but I can never figure out how to look at a list of the resulting emails. I am assuming it is something special I have to do using NVDA but I could be very wrong about this.





Any help would very much be appreciated.







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


searching in Thunderbird email app

Dan Beaver
 

How do you search for emails in TB?  I have tried many times but I can never figure out how to look at a list of the resulting emails.   I am assuming it is something special I have to do using NVDA but I could be very wrong about this.


Any help would very much be appreciated.



-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: What is the best password manager to use with NVDA

 

hello.
i think that keypass be the best option.
i dont use such programs and dont have much informations about it.

On 1/15/21, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
Hello Everyone,

Please recommend the best password manager to use with NVDA. Please explain
how to install it.

Thanks,
John

'
--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Is anyone using a password manager?

 

I use LastPass. It is very accessible.

On Jan 16, 2021, at 4:35 AM, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:

If so, which one is it and how accessible is it?

Thankks,
John

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost







Re: Saving the location of a button on a particular webpage

 

The only thing I know of that you could use to support that kind of functionality is the Golden Cursor Add-On.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Excel 2016: Formulas

Louis Maher
 

Hello Pele,

Is it possible to use Office 365 for $99 a year?

I do not have any further information.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03@outlook.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 3:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel 2016: Formulas

Hi Louise

Thank you for suggesting unchecking the "allow editing directly in cells". Unfortunately, it is already unchecked.

Is there anything I can trying changing in NVDA?

Pele


Re: Excel 2016: Formulas

Pele West
 

Hi Louise

Thank you for suggesting unchecking the "allow editing directly in cells". Unfortunately, it is already unchecked.

Is there anything I can trying changing in NVDA?

Pele


Saving the location of a button on a particular webpage

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Hello everyone,

Is there a way to save  or bookmark the location of a particular button on a webpage, like bookmarking the present now button in google meet?

--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Tony's add-ons: new and updated

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Thank you, Tony. These are really helpful add-ons.
A very happpy new year to you too!

--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Windows 10 native Mail app

Luke Robinett
 

Hi Joseph. Thanks for breaking that down for us. That helps me understand the rationale for tackling Windows updates with the essentials add-on vs trying to bake it all into the main code.

 

Thanks,

Luke

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 1:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 native Mail app

 

Hi,

Parts of Windows 10 App Essentials are being rolled into NVDA Core at the moment. NVDA 2020.4 includes a notable contribution from this add-on, namely support for modern Windows 10 Calculator.

I noted “parts of the add-on” because of the way Windows 10 and its apps are developed: Windows 10 is a service, therefore changes happen frequently. This necessitates keeping up with Windows 10 and its apps on an ongoing basis – a bit close to real-time, but not quite. What makes it hard is that changes made to Windows 10 and apps can be reversed at any moment, therefore causing developers to scramble to undo changes or put compatibility layer in place. Add to the fact that NVDA stable releases happen in a matter of months (typically two to three months), and because some users install new Windows 10 development builds on a weekly basis, by the time a new NVDA stable version comes out, what NVDA knows about Windows 10 would be really out of date. Therefore a safer approach is letting Windows 10 App Essentials add-on fill the gap until certain Windows 10 features are announced as being made available to the general public, and then submit changes from the add-on to NVDA Core so it can be included in the next NVDA stable release. This is the reason why, at least once a month or two, you’ll get Windows 10 App Essentials update announcement.

To illustrate what I’m saying, here’s the procedure I employ when developing Windows 10 App Essentials add-on:

  1. As a Windows Insider, I install Windows 10 development builds on a weekly basis. We have folks here and on Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users who are on the same boat as I.
  2. I read release notes for builds carefully, trying to see if there are visible changes that I can test.
  3. After installing a new build, I spend some time exploring new and changed features.
  4. If I do discover a bug, I debug it and try to come up with a fix.
  5. Once a fix (or several of them) is tested and verified, I package it as part of an add-on development snapshot, which is then deployed so you can get it. These development snapshots are equivalent to NVDA alpha builds.
  6. If a change is made to NVDA (especially from an alpha build) that will break the add-on, I package workarounds and deploy it as a snapshot.
  7. For items 5 and 6, I try my best to limit snapshots to once a day. Sometimes you’ll see fixes for Windows 10 builds, sometimes a workaround for NVDA is included, sometimes both, sometimes just localization updates. The above procedure is also applicable when I write a fix for app support.
  8. Toward the middle of the month, I finalize the next stable release and prepare the add-on for stable channel distribution.
  9. Close to end of the month, I submit the next stable add-on to NVDA add-ons community for distribution. This can change if the last Windows 10 build of the month makes significant changes that will break the add-on and/or NVDA, in which case I delay the stable release in order to let folks test last minute fixes. Typically this happens because a change is made to an app’s accessibility API implementation (typically UIA property or event changes) that will force me to write compatibility layer for old and new apps, or the executable for a Windows 10 app changes which breaks not only the add-on, but also NVDA itself (this happened last year when the executable file name for Mail and Calendar for Insiders changed, which broke NVDA’s Mail app support facility; a fix is included in a recent NVDA release, but was made close to unnecessary as the Mail and Calendar app executable file name was reverted to the name used until 2019; this delayed Windows 10 App Essentials 21.01 by a few days so I can work on supporting old and new Mail and Calendar app releases).

In other words, these days Windows 10 App Essentials add-on has become a testing platform for features that will be included in NVDA Core given stability over time. This is not limited to WinTenApps at all – you may have noticed that parts of other add-ons made their way into NVDA Core, the biggest change planned being incorporating Add-on Updater into NVDA Core in the future (a different topic).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 11:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 native Mail app

 

Out of curiosity, if an add-on is needed to have reliable access to what are considered essential Windows apps, I just gotta ask… Why not just roll that into the core functionality of NVDA?

 

On Jan 14, 2021, at 5:22 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:



Hi Brian

If you are using Windows 10 I would install the Windows 10 App essentials add-on, which smoothes out some of the accessibility wrinkles within the OS and it’s apps, including Windows Mail.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: Brian Williams
Sent: 14 January 2021 07:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 native Mail app

 

Hi all, recently returned to windows from a Macbook which I never really got on with. Using the native app for mail, going to the list of emails I have received I press enter to open one. I am only then able to read it line by line  by holding down the control Key and using the down arrow. If I just use the down arrow key it reads the same line over and over. Is this an issue with NVDA, is there a keyboard command I am using wrongly or missing? The mail app does seem to be a bit fiddly but I don’t know whether it’s Windows 10 problem or a NVDA problem. is there a specific NVDA list of keystrokes to use within the mail app? Grateful for your help.

Brian

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Reading chats in MS Teams

Luke Robinett
 

OK, got it. Here are a couple suggestions:

For accessing the link in a message, press enter on the message and then press tab twice. This should place focus on the link.

To review a message word by word or character by character, use the object review keys (with numlock turned off):

Numpad 7 and 9 to move between lines

Numpad 4 and 6 to move between words

Numpad 1 and 3 to move by character

To copy text, position the review cursor at the desired start point and press NVDA + F9. Next position the review cursor at the end of the text you want to copy and press NVDA + F10 twice rapidly. This copies it to the clipboard.

 

Hope this helps,

Luke

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaibhav Saraf
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 7:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading chats in MS Teams

 

Hi,

 

This experience works fine for me. But the problem is that when I go through the messages in forms mode I cannot make out the chat word by word or letter by letter if I have difficulty understanding the message, or sometimes it can be a link and I would copy it using Ctrl + Shift + right arrow.

 

Earlier Teams was treating all the messages as H4, so navigation was quite easy even in browse mode, and allowing me to go letter by letter and stuff.

 

Thanks,

Vaibhav

 

 

 

 

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 at 01:17, Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...> wrote:

I use teams extensively on a daily basis at my job and it seems to work just fine for me. I’ll describe what I’m doing and you tell me where your experience differs.

If I want to chat with somebody from my chat history, I press control 2 which takes me to the recent chat list. I use the up and down arrow keys to find the chat I want and then hit enter to open it. This puts focus in the text box of that chat. If I press shift tab I land inside the messages area. I press NVDA spacebar to enter forms mode. While in forms mode, I can simply use the up and down arrow keys to move easily from message to message. Pressing enter on a message gives me reactions and while in that screen, pressing tab gets me a menu with more options. Hitting escape a few times gets me back to the main messages list.

If you haven’t already, I recommend studying and learning the Microsoft teams shortcut keys because they are extremely useful. Hope that helps. If I’m not addressing your question, let me know where I went wrong.


Re: Readig Zoom meeting Chat

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Without remembering it until a meeting tonight, I am having the same problem. Fortunately, with the latest version of Zoom, NVDA seems to be reading everything else that it should, but in the meeting I was in tonight, one of the participants was using the chat quite a bit, and NVDA wasn't reading it to me at all. I checked the accessibility settings and under screen reader alerts, everything related to chats was checked, but NVDA would not read them. This used to work for me just fine, then about May it quit working.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 05:00 AM, Ralf Kefferpuetz wrote:
Hello,
Alt-H opens the chat area. Here you can write to the room, to individuals and of course you can read the messages, Use Tab and Shift-Tab.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of AKH AKH
Sent: Dienstag, 12. Januar 2021 12:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Readig Zoom meeting Chat

Hi all


Is it possible for NVDA to read the live Chat messages that meeting participants post during a zoom meeting, please? If so, how?


Andrew


Re: Tony's add-ons: new and updated

Bruno Aníbal Prieto González
 

Good! Thank you very much!

2021-01-17 21:36 GMT-03:00, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@gmail.com>:

Fixed in IndentNav v1.11.

--Tony

On 1/12/2021 10:23 AM, Bruno Aníbal Prieto González wrote:
Thanks!

2021-01-12 11:33 GMT-03:00, Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@gmail.com>:
Got it, will look into that issue with IndentNav.

On 1/11/2021 7:23 PM, Bruno Aníbal Prieto González wrote:
Hi Tony! Thank you very much for all these add-ons, especially
WordNav. I used that Tony enhancements add-on a lot in VS Code but it
had to be enabled and disabled, since in UIA NVDA it said selected and
unselected all the time.
Since you corrected that, I imagine you already know how to do it, you
could correct that same error for IndentNav? In Visual Studio has that
behavior, NVDA says selected and unselected every time I use it. It
also happens to me in Windows 10 Sticky Notes, which also uses UI
Automation.

Thank you very much in advance!

2021-01-11 9:32 GMT-03:00, Suhas Dharwad <twigsnap7@gmail.com>:
sentence nav, word nav, and symbols, does sound quite interesting.

Will give it a try.
thanks.

---Suhas
Sent from Thunderbird <https://www.thunderbird.net/>


“Things can turn out differently, Apollo.
That's the nice thing about being human.
We only have one life, but we can choose what kind of story it's
going to be.”

Rick Riordan <https://rickriordan.com/>
On 1/10/2021 3:43, Tony Malykh wrote:
Hello all,

This is Tony, author of many NVDA add-ons. During holidays I updated
many of my add-ons, and wrote two new add-ons, so I would like to
share them with you guys. This is a long email, so please feel free
to
navigate by headings!

Please note that links on the official website have not been updated,
as it seems that nobody has access to that website anymore.
Therefore,
please download directly from Github, download links included below.


New add-ons:


WordNav

It takes word navigation to the next level in NVDA. It standardizes
what exactly does word mean, e.g. does it include punctuation before
and after, moreover, it offers various definitions of word, some of
which might be useful for software developers, for example when they
are working with camelCaseIdentifiers. It redefines
Control+Left/Right
keystrokes, as well as it adds optional Control+Windows+Left/Right
keystrokes. Configuration panel included!

·Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-word-nav/

·Download:
https://github.com/mltony/nvda-word-nav/releases/download/v1.2/wordNav-1.2.nvda-addon


Console toolkit

This is a collection of tools for heavy console users. Among its
features are:

·More realtime speaking of console output

·* Beep on update

·Control+V shortcut now works in ssh connections

·Editing of current prompt in accessible window

·Capturing command output, including multi-page, and displaying it in
an accessible window

Please note, it supports the default Windows console, a.k.a. command
prompt, as well as windows PowerShell.

·Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-console-toolkit/

·Download:
https://github.com/mltony/nvda-console-toolkit/releases/download/v0.2dev/consoleToolkit-0.2dev.nvda-addon


Updates


SentenceNav

This add-on allows to read text sentence by sentence using
Alt+Up/Down
keystroke. I managed to improve its performance a lot, now it reads
sentences much faster, especially in large paragraphs. I also added
experimental support for Microsoft Word and WordPad – before this
version built-in NVDA logic applied to sentence navigation in these
programs, and many users have complained about that. Also, a number
of
bugfixes. Also I wrote extensive documentation, since sentence
finding
code has become so complicated, even I myself is having a hard time
reading my own code after a couple of years since first release 😊

·Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/

·Download:
https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/releases/download/v2.9/SentenceNav-2.9.nvda-addon

<https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/releases/download/v2.9/SentenceNav-2.9.nvda-addon>


BrowserNav

BrowserNav contains a set of improvements to browse mode in NVDA.
Besides a number of bugfixes, this new version includes command to
jump to next text written in different style (bound to tilde, that
weird key right above Tab), and a command to scroll down to reveal
all
the hidden content, bound to backslash. That last command might be
useful for websites, that load content dynamically. This includes
Youtube, that doesn’t load the entire page and expects users to
scroll
down to reveal certain elements, and also so called infinite scroll
webpages, such as Amazon and Facebook.

·Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/

·Download:
https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/releases/download/v1.12/browsernav-1.12.nvda-addon

<https://github.com/mltony/nvda-browser-nav/releases/download/v1.12/browsernav-1.12.nvda-addon>


Tony’s enhancements

This add-on is an incubator for my experimental ideas, yet I believe
many of them might be quite handy for many users. In particular, this
time WordNav and Console toolkit mentioned above have graduated from
this incubator. 😊 Among new features that I added are QuickSearch
command, that allows to quickly find predefined text or regular
expression in text files. I personally find it useful for editing
markdown, because you can set the regular expression to search for
next/previous heading, and also for programming. Another new feature
allows to set system priority for NVDA process – this might improve
responsiveness of NVDA, especially when CPU load is high.

·Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/

·Download:
https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/releases/download/v1.8/tonysEnhancements-1.8.nvda-addon

<https://github.com/mltony/nvda-tonys-enhancements/releases/download/v1.8/tonysEnhancements-1.8.nvda-addon>


Other


NVDA Symbols

This is not an add-on, but rather a comprehensive (more or less)
table
of unicode characters with their proper English names. In particular,
it includes math symbols (the ones that are not defined in NVDA),
Greek letters, technical symbols, various arrows, etc. If you’re
Greek, you would probably want to exclude Greek letters from this
dictionary. If you speak CJK languages, you would probably want to
exclude fixed-width punctuation page from that dictionary. This table
would need to be added manually to your symbols.dic file in NVDA user
config directory.

·Github: https://github.com/mltony/nvda-symbols/
<https://github.com/mltony/nvda-symbols/>

·Download:
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mltony/nvda-symbols/main/final.dic
<https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mltony/nvda-symbols/main/final.dic>

Let me know what you think!

Belated happy new year!

--Tony














Re: Reading chats in MS Teams

Vaibhav Saraf
 

Hi,

This experience works fine for me. But the problem is that when I go through the messages in forms mode I cannot make out the chat word by word or letter by letter if I have difficulty understanding the message, or sometimes it can be a link and I would copy it using Ctrl + Shift + right arrow.

Earlier Teams was treating all the messages as H4, so navigation was quite easy even in browse mode, and allowing me to go letter by letter and stuff.

Thanks,
Vaibhav




On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 at 01:17, Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...> wrote:
I use teams extensively on a daily basis at my job and it seems to work just fine for me. I’ll describe what I’m doing and you tell me where your experience differs.
If I want to chat with somebody from my chat history, I press control 2 which takes me to the recent chat list. I use the up and down arrow keys to find the chat I want and then hit enter to open it. This puts focus in the text box of that chat. If I press shift tab I land inside the messages area. I press NVDA spacebar to enter forms mode. While in forms mode, I can simply use the up and down arrow keys to move easily from message to message. Pressing enter on a message gives me reactions and while in that screen, pressing tab gets me a menu with more options. Hitting escape a few times gets me back to the main messages list.
If you haven’t already, I recommend studying and learning the Microsoft teams shortcut keys because they are extremely useful. Hope that helps. If I’m not addressing your question, let me know where I went wrong.


Re: switch to another tts automatically

Quentin Christensen
 

I believe you can use the DualVoice add-on for this: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/dualvoice.en.html

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 6:35 AM farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...> wrote:

How can I setup auto tts switching in nvda? There is no windows one core bangla voice. However, there is sapi5 bangla voice.


On Sat, 16 Jan 2021, 12:57 am Aravind R, <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote:
windows1 core voice works well in this switching mode

On 15/01/2021, farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...> wrote:
> I want to use one tts for English and another for Vangla. nvda should
> switch between these two tts as well as language automatically. How can I
> turn on this feature in nvda?
>
>
>
>
>
>


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manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593,
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Re: muting

Quentin Christensen
 

Sorry, I mustn't play with my laptop much - my desktop keyboard has a bunch of extra buttons and I was thinking of those which when you press things like "Mail" it DOES read that before opening mail - to be honest I never use those keys, I only know mail so well because I keep hitting that inadvertently when aiming for escape - I actually hadn't tried adjusting the volume with such keys.

Part of the problem is that while there is a standard for what signal gets sent to the PC when you press a or SHIFT+A, or escape, there is no standard for multimedia keys and other functions like volume controls on keyboards and I think many are controlled via the keyboard driver.  I haven't actually looked into the code for such things, so I could be wrong, but I think the other problem is that the way many of these keyboards control things like volume works to change the volume (or mute the sound entirely) but doesn't trigger an even which a screenreader sees.

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 3:35 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 03:52 PM, Dan Beaver wrote:
While listening I heard him say to type S N D V O L and press enter.  But what I actually heard was tinvol not S N D V O L.  I am still frequently disgusted with how messy the pronunciation tables are for the different synths.
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Well, it's never easy to decide how to "pronounce the unpronounceable."   Without getting too "linguist geeky" every language has what are called phonotactic constraints, which means certain sound combinations that are, and are not, allowed to occur in combination with each other.  In English, S N D, as those three letters alone, violates phonotactic constraints.  There's no English word where those three consonants, in succession, exist or can be pronounced.

And when any effort to try to pronounce this as anything other than a letter sequence is made, the result is, in one way or another, wrong.

You'll often hear people say "send vol," turning the opening into an English word that conforms to the phonotactic constraints of the language.  But they're not saying what's written on the page, but trying to come up with something that they can get out of their mouths.

Very often a number of entries in my default dictionary are acronyms that are unpronounceable under English phonotactic constraints as their single letters.  NVDA as N V D A being a perfect example.  Words, and particularly surnames where I grew up, that have their roots elsewhere in the world are hell for an English reader because you often have no idea how to pronounce them.  My favorite example, and a real one from my younger days, was the surname spelled D Z I A G W A.  I challenge any native English speaker to come even close to guessing how that one sounds.  It was pronounced as jungwa.  (that leading j is like the g in giraffe).

The poor synth folks really can't win, and I suspect this sort of things occurs in any language when something is spelled out in a way that language just doesn't allow.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 



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