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Re: beta 3 and closing programs

Dave Grossoehme
 

Good Afternoon:  If Thunder Bird has been running and you press the alt + f4 and this silenece.  Then Press the Alt + t to see what is running and you hear Thunder Bird, then press the application key and arrow down to refresh in windows 10.  Then press the alt + f4 to close it out.  The other answer is yes there can be applications running in the background and they won't be shown on the taskbar.  It is like the old answer of don't assume anything in windows.  It's like they are hidden from the screen readers of the taskbar.

Dave

On 1/13/2021 2:52 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know if a program can still have processes running in the background and not show up in the task manager list of running programs.  But if you look in the processes part of the dialog and don't show the process for Thunderbird, as far as I know it isn't running.  I don't know what you are describing in terms of where you use the appliccations key and where you use the refresh command.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Grossoehme
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 3:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] beta 3 and closing programs



Good Afternoon:  It's possible that something is running in the background after closing Thunder Bird by all means.  I have closed Thunder Bird and it doesn't respond as being completely closed. If I press the application key, and go down to refresh, and press enter, then it's closed.  However, until it is refreshed, it just sits there.  It doesn't happen everytime.

Dave




On 1/9/2021 9:03 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I won't say that NVDA is not at play here, because it could be, but ALT+F4 is not an NVDA command, and not tied to NVDA in any way.  It's a Windows command that the program window with focus when it's issued responds to.  If Thunderbird continues to be "hanging about" with something running in the background, probabilities are that it's not NVDA causing this.

I have asked on a tech geek group specifically for professional techs I haunt whether there is a handy PowerShell and/or Command Prompt command or pipe sequence that would allow someone to zero in on whether a process or cluster of processes of a given name are running.  It is my understanding that both Task Manager and Process Monitor are, while not strictly speaking inaccessible, not exactly anywhere near to easy to use with a screen reader.


Re: searching in Thunderbird email app

 

I can, and will, get into this on the Chat Subgroup if you open a new topic there and, as part of that, describe what you want to be seeing after you do a search (in general terms).

I suspect that you're wanting a list of messages just like you'd have in your inbox, but limited to those that match the search.  In which case, you'd need to activate the Show results as list control on the initial results page.  You may also wish to switch the sort by from relevance (default) to date before doing so, if you're interested in date sorted message order.

That's all I'll say here, as none of this is directly related to NVDA but to Thunderbird.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Some topic in the main group indicate that they're from chat

 

Group Owner mail is not sent other than by using the Owner e-mail address:  nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io

I'd need examples, as I can't find any instances in the archive of anything recent.

The following addresses are those most commonly used to interact with the NVDA Main Group:

 

To join:  nvda+subscribe@nvda.groups.io

To post:  nvda@nvda.groups.io

To unsubscribe:  nvda+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io

To receive a message containing the group description, and a list of these commands:  nvda+help@nvda.groups.io

To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages on the Web):  nvda+nomail@nvda.groups.io

This can also be used to put a vacation stop on group messages, then use one of the subsequently noted addresses to resume delivery in the format of your choice.

To receive each group message individually: nvda+single@nvda.groups.io

This is the default delivery unless you send a message to one of the addresses that follows.

To receive group messages in an HTML formatted digests:  nvda+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io

To receive group messages in a plain text digest:  nvda+digest@nvda.groups.io

To receive a daily summary instead of individual messages:  nvda+summary@nvda,groups.io

To receive only special messages:  nvda+special@nvda.groups.io

To contact the group owner(s):  nvda+owner@nvda.groups.io

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Saving the location of a button on a particular webpage

Tony Malykh
 

Try BrowserNav add-on. One of the features is BrowserMarks - you can specify any text, in particular, the text of the button you're interested in. Then you can jump to that button by pressing J or Shift+J.

HTH

--Tony


On 1/18/2021 12:37 AM, Akshaya Choudhary wrote:
Hello everyone,

Is there a way to save  or bookmark the location of a particular button on a webpage, like bookmarking the present now button in google meet?

--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Saving the location of a button on a particular webpage

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Oh yes! Let me try it out.
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: searching in Thunderbird email app

Gene
 

When you open search, the defaultis to search subject. You can tab to a combo box where you change what field will be searched in. Tab further to an edit field where you type what you want to search for, then press enter.

I haven't played with search enough to see how to search more than one field at once. I would think you can, but I don't know how it is done. I suspect you are working in the wrong fields.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 12:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] searching in Thunderbird email app



Well, it does act differently but it still gives me the whole email list and not just the results list. I am obviously doing something wrong. I guess I'll just go back to doing my searches via the GMail web interface.




Thanks Gene,




Dan Beaver


On 1/18/2021 1:31 PM, Dan Beaver via groups.io wrote:


Well, I have been using the search field that is on the screen. I hadn't tried using the ctrl+f keystroke. When I use the search field then try to tab to the list I get the full list of emails not the search results.




I will try the ctrl+f keystroke and see if that behaves differently.




Dan Beaver


On 1/18/2021 1:16 PM, Gene wrote:
How are you searching? If you are using control shift f to open search and searching in that way, once you have done the search and the search is finished, tab twice to the list.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] searching in Thunderbird email app



How do you search for emails in TB? I have tried many times but I can never figure out how to look at a list of the resulting emails. I am assuming it is something special I have to do using NVDA but I could be very wrong about this.





Any help would very much be appreciated.







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Some topic in the main group indicate that they're from chat

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  It looks like I've received a couple of messages from this group that indicate that they're from the chat subgroup, because the word [chat] also appears in the subject line.  I'm not sure of the titles off the top of my head.  I am not subscribed to the chat subgroup, so I don't get messages from it.  I'm not certain who I should've contacted about this issue, but when you post a new topic on the web interface, it goes to the entire group.  I couldn't find a button to send it to the group owner.  I use the web interface rather than posting through E-mail.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: searching in Thunderbird email app

Dan Beaver
 

Well, it does act differently but it still gives me the whole email list and not just the results list.  I am obviously doing something wrong.  I guess I'll just go back to doing my searches via the GMail web interface.


Thanks Gene,


Dan Beaver

On 1/18/2021 1:31 PM, Dan Beaver via groups.io wrote:

Well, I have been using the search field that is on the screen.  I hadn't tried using the ctrl+f keystroke.  When I use the search field then try to tab to the list I get the full list of emails not the search results.


I will try the ctrl+f keystroke and see if that behaves differently.


Dan Beaver

On 1/18/2021 1:16 PM, Gene wrote:
How are you searching?  If you are using control shift f to open search and searching in that way, once you have done the search and the search is finished, tab twice to the list.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] searching in Thunderbird email app



How do you search for emails in TB?  I have tried many times but I can never figure out how to look at a list of the resulting emails.   I am assuming it is something special I have to do using NVDA but I could be very wrong about this.





Any help would very much be appreciated.







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)
-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: searching in Thunderbird email app

Dan Beaver
 

Well, I have been using the search field that is on the screen.  I hadn't tried using the ctrl+f keystroke.  When I use the search field then try to tab to the list I get the full list of emails not the search results.


I will try the ctrl+f keystroke and see if that behaves differently.


Dan Beaver

On 1/18/2021 1:16 PM, Gene wrote:
How are you searching?  If you are using control shift f to open search and searching in that way, once you have done the search and the search is finished, tab twice to the list.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] searching in Thunderbird email app



How do you search for emails in TB?  I have tried many times but I can never figure out how to look at a list of the resulting emails.   I am assuming it is something special I have to do using NVDA but I could be very wrong about this.





Any help would very much be appreciated.







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)







-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: searching in Thunderbird email app

Gene
 

How are you searching? If you are using control shift f to open search and searching in that way, once you have done the search and the search is finished, tab twice to the list.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Beaver
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 12:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] searching in Thunderbird email app



How do you search for emails in TB? I have tried many times but I can never figure out how to look at a list of the resulting emails. I am assuming it is something special I have to do using NVDA but I could be very wrong about this.





Any help would very much be appreciated.







-- Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


searching in Thunderbird email app

Dan Beaver
 

How do you search for emails in TB?  I have tried many times but I can never figure out how to look at a list of the resulting emails.   I am assuming it is something special I have to do using NVDA but I could be very wrong about this.


Any help would very much be appreciated.



-- 
Dan Beaver (KA4DAN)


Re: What is the best password manager to use with NVDA

 

hello.
i think that keypass be the best option.
i dont use such programs and dont have much informations about it.

On 1/15/21, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:
Hello Everyone,

Please recommend the best password manager to use with NVDA. Please explain
how to install it.

Thanks,
John

'
--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Is anyone using a password manager?

 

I use LastPass. It is very accessible.

On Jan 16, 2021, at 4:35 AM, John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org> wrote:

If so, which one is it and how accessible is it?

Thankks,
John

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost







Re: Saving the location of a button on a particular webpage

 

The only thing I know of that you could use to support that kind of functionality is the Golden Cursor Add-On.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Excel 2016: Formulas

Louis Maher
 

Hello Pele,

Is it possible to use Office 365 for $99 a year?

I do not have any further information.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail ljmaher03@outlook.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pele West
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2021 3:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Excel 2016: Formulas

Hi Louise

Thank you for suggesting unchecking the "allow editing directly in cells". Unfortunately, it is already unchecked.

Is there anything I can trying changing in NVDA?

Pele


Re: Excel 2016: Formulas

Pele West
 

Hi Louise

Thank you for suggesting unchecking the "allow editing directly in cells". Unfortunately, it is already unchecked.

Is there anything I can trying changing in NVDA?

Pele


Saving the location of a button on a particular webpage

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Hello everyone,

Is there a way to save  or bookmark the location of a particular button on a webpage, like bookmarking the present now button in google meet?

--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Tony's add-ons: new and updated

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Thank you, Tony. These are really helpful add-ons.
A very happpy new year to you too!

--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Windows 10 native Mail app

Luke Robinett
 

Hi Joseph. Thanks for breaking that down for us. That helps me understand the rationale for tackling Windows updates with the essentials add-on vs trying to bake it all into the main code.

 

Thanks,

Luke

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 1:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 native Mail app

 

Hi,

Parts of Windows 10 App Essentials are being rolled into NVDA Core at the moment. NVDA 2020.4 includes a notable contribution from this add-on, namely support for modern Windows 10 Calculator.

I noted “parts of the add-on” because of the way Windows 10 and its apps are developed: Windows 10 is a service, therefore changes happen frequently. This necessitates keeping up with Windows 10 and its apps on an ongoing basis – a bit close to real-time, but not quite. What makes it hard is that changes made to Windows 10 and apps can be reversed at any moment, therefore causing developers to scramble to undo changes or put compatibility layer in place. Add to the fact that NVDA stable releases happen in a matter of months (typically two to three months), and because some users install new Windows 10 development builds on a weekly basis, by the time a new NVDA stable version comes out, what NVDA knows about Windows 10 would be really out of date. Therefore a safer approach is letting Windows 10 App Essentials add-on fill the gap until certain Windows 10 features are announced as being made available to the general public, and then submit changes from the add-on to NVDA Core so it can be included in the next NVDA stable release. This is the reason why, at least once a month or two, you’ll get Windows 10 App Essentials update announcement.

To illustrate what I’m saying, here’s the procedure I employ when developing Windows 10 App Essentials add-on:

  1. As a Windows Insider, I install Windows 10 development builds on a weekly basis. We have folks here and on Win10 Forum for Screen Reader Users who are on the same boat as I.
  2. I read release notes for builds carefully, trying to see if there are visible changes that I can test.
  3. After installing a new build, I spend some time exploring new and changed features.
  4. If I do discover a bug, I debug it and try to come up with a fix.
  5. Once a fix (or several of them) is tested and verified, I package it as part of an add-on development snapshot, which is then deployed so you can get it. These development snapshots are equivalent to NVDA alpha builds.
  6. If a change is made to NVDA (especially from an alpha build) that will break the add-on, I package workarounds and deploy it as a snapshot.
  7. For items 5 and 6, I try my best to limit snapshots to once a day. Sometimes you’ll see fixes for Windows 10 builds, sometimes a workaround for NVDA is included, sometimes both, sometimes just localization updates. The above procedure is also applicable when I write a fix for app support.
  8. Toward the middle of the month, I finalize the next stable release and prepare the add-on for stable channel distribution.
  9. Close to end of the month, I submit the next stable add-on to NVDA add-ons community for distribution. This can change if the last Windows 10 build of the month makes significant changes that will break the add-on and/or NVDA, in which case I delay the stable release in order to let folks test last minute fixes. Typically this happens because a change is made to an app’s accessibility API implementation (typically UIA property or event changes) that will force me to write compatibility layer for old and new apps, or the executable for a Windows 10 app changes which breaks not only the add-on, but also NVDA itself (this happened last year when the executable file name for Mail and Calendar for Insiders changed, which broke NVDA’s Mail app support facility; a fix is included in a recent NVDA release, but was made close to unnecessary as the Mail and Calendar app executable file name was reverted to the name used until 2019; this delayed Windows 10 App Essentials 21.01 by a few days so I can work on supporting old and new Mail and Calendar app releases).

In other words, these days Windows 10 App Essentials add-on has become a testing platform for features that will be included in NVDA Core given stability over time. This is not limited to WinTenApps at all – you may have noticed that parts of other add-ons made their way into NVDA Core, the biggest change planned being incorporating Add-on Updater into NVDA Core in the future (a different topic).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Luke Robinett
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 11:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 native Mail app

 

Out of curiosity, if an add-on is needed to have reliable access to what are considered essential Windows apps, I just gotta ask… Why not just roll that into the core functionality of NVDA?

 

On Jan 14, 2021, at 5:22 AM, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...> wrote:



Hi Brian

If you are using Windows 10 I would install the Windows 10 App essentials add-on, which smoothes out some of the accessibility wrinkles within the OS and it’s apps, including Windows Mail.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: Brian Williams
Sent: 14 January 2021 07:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Windows 10 native Mail app

 

Hi all, recently returned to windows from a Macbook which I never really got on with. Using the native app for mail, going to the list of emails I have received I press enter to open one. I am only then able to read it line by line  by holding down the control Key and using the down arrow. If I just use the down arrow key it reads the same line over and over. Is this an issue with NVDA, is there a keyboard command I am using wrongly or missing? The mail app does seem to be a bit fiddly but I don’t know whether it’s Windows 10 problem or a NVDA problem. is there a specific NVDA list of keystrokes to use within the mail app? Grateful for your help.

Brian

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Reading chats in MS Teams

Luke Robinett
 

OK, got it. Here are a couple suggestions:

For accessing the link in a message, press enter on the message and then press tab twice. This should place focus on the link.

To review a message word by word or character by character, use the object review keys (with numlock turned off):

Numpad 7 and 9 to move between lines

Numpad 4 and 6 to move between words

Numpad 1 and 3 to move by character

To copy text, position the review cursor at the desired start point and press NVDA + F9. Next position the review cursor at the end of the text you want to copy and press NVDA + F10 twice rapidly. This copies it to the clipboard.

 

Hope this helps,

Luke

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Vaibhav Saraf
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2021 7:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading chats in MS Teams

 

Hi,

 

This experience works fine for me. But the problem is that when I go through the messages in forms mode I cannot make out the chat word by word or letter by letter if I have difficulty understanding the message, or sometimes it can be a link and I would copy it using Ctrl + Shift + right arrow.

 

Earlier Teams was treating all the messages as H4, so navigation was quite easy even in browse mode, and allowing me to go letter by letter and stuff.

 

Thanks,

Vaibhav

 

 

 

 

On Mon, 18 Jan 2021 at 01:17, Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...> wrote:

I use teams extensively on a daily basis at my job and it seems to work just fine for me. I’ll describe what I’m doing and you tell me where your experience differs.

If I want to chat with somebody from my chat history, I press control 2 which takes me to the recent chat list. I use the up and down arrow keys to find the chat I want and then hit enter to open it. This puts focus in the text box of that chat. If I press shift tab I land inside the messages area. I press NVDA spacebar to enter forms mode. While in forms mode, I can simply use the up and down arrow keys to move easily from message to message. Pressing enter on a message gives me reactions and while in that screen, pressing tab gets me a menu with more options. Hitting escape a few times gets me back to the main messages list.

If you haven’t already, I recommend studying and learning the Microsoft teams shortcut keys because they are extremely useful. Hope that helps. If I’m not addressing your question, let me know where I went wrong.

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