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Re: NVDA Screen Review Mode

Gene
 

When you are  in screen review mode, you can move around the screen and not change your place where you are working, for example, in a word processor, you can move around and not change the position of the cursor where you are working.  Also, if you are somewhere where you can't move around using Windows commands such as up and down arrow, you can look at what is on the screen in review mode.  If an error message ccomes up, you can move around it using screen review.


Don't forget to always return to object navigation mode as soon ase you are finished working in review mode.  If you don't, you may get unexpected results.


Gene

On 1/23/2021 1:14 AM, Blind allday wrote:

I have read the user guide but it was a very brief overview of the Screen Review Mode.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 10:32 PM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote:

If you mean ObjectNAV, it's not that scary.


On 2021-01-22 8:56 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually tha'ts not quite true. I use screen review on a lot of newer programs and activate things with the mouse. I use screen review to read the screen, route and click. I never if I can help it use object review.

Take care

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On 22 Jan 2021, at 17:22, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Ah, I see.

What you are describing is called “focus mode” where whatever key you press will be dealt not by NVDA but by the web application you are using. For example, pressing K while playing a YouTube video will pause the video if focus mode is on, whereas NVDA will move you to the next link if browse mode is active.

Screen review, on the other hand, will let you review the contents of an app’s window. For example, under older programs, activating screen review mode will let you see the contents of the app that aren’t accessible with keyboard commands. These days screen review would not work properly in newer apps but you can find out the contents of a window by doing an OCR (NVDA+R).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Well, I thought that screen review mode meant that a page allowed you to activate certain shortcuts that a page had.

For example, on YouTube you can press “K”  for it to pause and play.

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 4:49 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Can you tell us what you know about screen review? That way we can help you fill in the gap.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 4:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Hello guys,

I think I am overthinking NVDA’s Screen Review Mode. Can someone explain it to me? Or point me  to where I can learn more about it.
Re: NVDA Screen Review Mode

Gene
 

I don't know what you mean by over thinking. Do you know the commands? I can discuss the desktop layout but I don't use or know the laptop layout commands. Have you used the JAWS cursor? Screen review is very similar except that the movement commands are different.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Smart
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 12:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode



Have you tried the User Guide or the Basic Training module?





On 2021-01-22 7:45 p.m., Blind allday wrote:


Hello guys,

I think I am overthinking NVDA’s Screen Review Mode. Can someone explain it to me? Or point me to where I can learn more about it.
Re: Navigating A Web Page

Luke Davis
 

On Fri, 22 Jan 2021, Brian Vogel wrote:

I have no idea why you say it's an accessibility problem.  I just loaded that page with NVDA, and when the dialog appears NVDA begins reading it, and it's controls. 
In my case, in Brave, I think it started by reading "free unlimited access to radio, playlists and podcasts." At least, the first time I went there. Subsequent tab closings and re-openings, put me wherever I was last on the page, even if it is supposedly covered by that dialog. The latter must be some Brave feature.

That's what I'd expect to occur when the overlay occurs, and it does.  The screen reader is doing for its user exactly what my eyes do for me.
I beg to differ.

You have said several times that the dialog is an overlay. Your eyes tell you that the things it's overlaying can not be used until the dialog is acted upon.
Our ears do no such thing.

Assuming you land on that dialog when the page opens (which is not always the case), there is no indication at all that you are in a dialog. It appears to just be some marketing puffery that is part of the page text.
In fact, its headings (there seem to be two of them in the "dialog"), are reachable along with the page's other headings, with H/shift+H.

You can demonstrate this by continuing to use the down arrow, or the b key in browse mode, to move "beyond" the supposed dialog, to get to other parts of the page. Your mouse can't access those things (like the play button), from what you've said, but the screen reader can.

There is a reasonable presumption: that which can be reached, is meant to be reached.
We have no way of knowing that a sighted person can't reach those other parts of the page.

So no, I'm afraid the experience is not the same, and the screen reader is not providing the same information.

Once the underlying page is obscured by that overlay/modal dialog focus shifts to it and you are forced to interact with it.
In neither Firefox nor Brave, was the page ever obscured to NVDA in my tests.
In neither browser, was I ever "forced to interact with it".
I can easily move up and down, or by element shortcuts, between text in the dialog and things such as music categories, elements of the player, etc.
There is no indication whatever that it is a dialog; that it obscures or covers anything; or that it includes a required interaction.

This is exactly what it does if you're
sighted and interacting with the site using sight and point and click.
What you described is nothing like what I experienced in either browser there, so I can only agree with Sascha that it is an accessibility problem.

Or, there is an issue with the overlay comprehension in NVDA. In fact I vaguely remember a github issue about overlays not being correctly handled, but I can't now find it.

Luke
Re: NVDA Screen Review Mode

Blind allday
 

I have read the user guide but it was a very brief overview of the Screen Review Mode.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 10:32 PM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote:

If you mean ObjectNAV, it's not that scary.


On 2021-01-22 8:56 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually tha'ts not quite true. I use screen review on a lot of newer programs and activate things with the mouse. I use screen review to read the screen, route and click. I never if I can help it use object review.

Take care

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Jan 2021, at 17:22, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Ah, I see.

What you are describing is called “focus mode” where whatever key you press will be dealt not by NVDA but by the web application you are using. For example, pressing K while playing a YouTube video will pause the video if focus mode is on, whereas NVDA will move you to the next link if browse mode is active.

Screen review, on the other hand, will let you review the contents of an app’s window. For example, under older programs, activating screen review mode will let you see the contents of the app that aren’t accessible with keyboard commands. These days screen review would not work properly in newer apps but you can find out the contents of a window by doing an OCR (NVDA+R).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Well, I thought that screen review mode meant that a page allowed you to activate certain shortcuts that a page had.

For example, on YouTube you can press “K”  for it to pause and play.

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 4:49 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Can you tell us what you know about screen review? That way we can help you fill in the gap.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 4:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Hello guys,

I think I am overthinking NVDA’s Screen Review Mode. Can someone explain it to me? Or point me  to where I can learn more about it.
Re: NVDA Screen Review Mode

Chris Smart
 

If you mean ObjectNAV, it's not that scary.


On 2021-01-22 8:56 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually tha'ts not quite true. I use screen review on a lot of newer programs and activate things with the mouse. I use screen review to read the screen, route and click. I never if I can help it use object review.

Take care

--

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Jan 2021, at 17:22, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Ah, I see.

What you are describing is called “focus mode” where whatever key you press will be dealt not by NVDA but by the web application you are using. For example, pressing K while playing a YouTube video will pause the video if focus mode is on, whereas NVDA will move you to the next link if browse mode is active.

Screen review, on the other hand, will let you review the contents of an app’s window. For example, under older programs, activating screen review mode will let you see the contents of the app that aren’t accessible with keyboard commands. These days screen review would not work properly in newer apps but you can find out the contents of a window by doing an OCR (NVDA+R).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Well, I thought that screen review mode meant that a page allowed you to activate certain shortcuts that a page had.

For example, on YouTube you can press “K”  for it to pause and play.

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 4:49 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Can you tell us what you know about screen review? That way we can help you fill in the gap.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 4:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Hello guys,

I think I am overthinking NVDA’s Screen Review Mode. Can someone explain it to me? Or point me  to where I can learn more about it.
Re: NVDA Screen Review Mode

Chris Smart
 

Have you tried the User Guide or the Basic Training module?


On 2021-01-22 7:45 p.m., Blind allday wrote:

Hello guys,

I think I am overthinking NVDA’s Screen Review Mode. Can someone explain it to me? Or point me  to where I can learn more about it.
Community add-ons notice: add-ons to be reviewed by me must be written strictly in Python 3, effective February 1, 2021

Joseph Lee
 

Hello all,

Because I know that several add-on authors are members of NVDA users list and may or may not be part of NVDA Add-ons list, I’m writing this notice so resident add-on authors can be aware of changes taking place in add-on review process:

 

Effective February 1, 2021, any add-on authors seeking add-on review from me must write their add-ons in strict Python 3 mode.

 

Background: January 2020 marked end of life for Python 2. Since then, many projects have switched to Python 3, including NVDA with the release of 2019.3.

 

As a community add-ons reviewer, I didn’t really care about Python 2 and 3 compatibility for a while, knowing that add-ons may need to be written to support old and new NVDA releases. That window is coming to a close: effective February 1, 2021, any add-on to be reviewed by me must be written strictly in Python 3. This is so that the community can standardize on Python 3 from now on. I will make an exception if authors can demonstrate that parts of their add-on must be compatible with NVDA 2019.2.1 or earlier, and if so, I’ll keep that in mind as I review your add-ons.

 

Note that this policy deals with add-on reviews to be done by me – other community add-on reviewers may have their own policies about Python 3. But to help the community, I recommend moving to strict Python 3 development environment when writing add-ons.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph
Re: Accessible Video Editor

Debbie April Yuille
 

What do you mean by gluing the videos together? Can’t you merge them?

 

Debbie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2021 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Video Editor

 

No, I edit videos in reaper all the time. I can do it as quickly as I can a sound file. Just don't glue the items together, or the video will be black.

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On 22 Jan 2021, at 11:37, Christian Ohrens wrote:

Hi,
I haven't used Reaper before so don't know much about this program, even it's for free or payed.
But what I read about was that Reaper's video editing function is rather slow, isn't it?

Greetings
Christian

 

Am 22.01.2021 20:22 schrieb Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>:

*bump*

I asked a similar question here a couple months ago and think it warrants further conversation. It seems an increasing number of us blind folks are interested in starting YouTube channels and doing other things with video video, so hopefully we learn about some good options.

I am also a home recording enthusiast and use a program called reaper to record and mix audio tracks. Reaper is fully accessible once you install a couple of free community created plug-ins. Reaper does provide the most basic of basic video editing. Pretty much just trimming, splitting, sliding things around on the timeline. No effects or transitions or anything else like that. If that’s all you need though, it’s 100% accessible and might be a good option.

 

On Jan 22, 2021, at 7:24 AM, Christian Ohrens <mail@...> wrote:



Hello,

 

Just want to refresh a thread of 2019 which I found in the group’s archive.

 

Are there any suggestions for accessible video editors?

Has anybody tried for example „vegas“ which is now developed by Magix Software? „Sound Forge“ is very accessible, maybe „Vegas“ would it be too?

Or the more professional programs like „Davinci“ or „Premiere“?

 

„Sound Forge“ is also able to edit video but I’m not quite sure if I would ‚destroy‘ the video itself when I’m gonna cut things off. If you want to edit the sound of the video it’s great.

 

Greets and thanks

Christian

 

 

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Re: Navigating A Web Page

Brian Vogel
 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 10:57 PM, Sascha Cowley wrote:
Using Firefox, it was not announced, nor was focus trapped in it.
-
The behavior in Firefox is quite different than it was in Brave.  Eventually this thing was announced, but I was definitely not trapped in it and the screen reader circled back to announcing what was actually on the screen masked by this modal dialog.

I would love to know why something this seemingly straightforward is handled so differently by two different web browsers, even two with completely different rendering engines.

But you're absolutely correct that what one could logically infer under Firefox (very little) is very, very different than what one could using Brave (and I'd guess other Chromium-based browsers, though I haven't tried).
--

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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 
Re: Navigating A Web Page

Sascha Cowley
 

Fair enough. Using Firefox, it was not announced, nor was focus trapped in it. Perhaps that was just something I did though, or a bit of a fluke.

On 2021-01-23 11:03, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 06:55 PM, Sascha Cowley wrote:
Technically that's just a modal dialog. Regardless, this is an accessibility problem with the page.
-
I won't argue about what it's called technically, but I doubt you'll find many who use the term "modal dialog" unless they're web programmers.

I have no idea why you say it's an accessibility problem.  I just loaded that page with NVDA, and when the dialog appears NVDA begins reading it, and it's controls.  That's what I'd expect to occur when the overlay occurs, and it does.  The screen reader is doing for its user exactly what my eyes do for me.  Once the underlying page is obscured by that overlay/modal dialog focus shifts to it and you are forced to interact with it.  This is exactly what it does if you're sighted and interacting with the site using sight and point and click.  There are no surprises there.

Once I activate the Maybe Later button I'm right back on the page with the play smooth country button, which can be activated precisely as one would expect.
 
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 
Weather Plus

Andrea Sherry
 

This addon appears to be functioning badly on my computer i.e. reporting wrong temperatures etc.


Andrea
Re: NVDA Screen Review Mode

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually tha'ts not quite true. I use screen review on a lot of newer programs and activate things with the mouse. I use screen review to read the screen, route and click. I never if I can help it use object review.

Take care

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Jan 2021, at 17:22, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Ah, I see.

What you are describing is called “focus mode” where whatever key you press will be dealt not by NVDA but by the web application you are using. For example, pressing K while playing a YouTube video will pause the video if focus mode is on, whereas NVDA will move you to the next link if browse mode is active.

Screen review, on the other hand, will let you review the contents of an app’s window. For example, under older programs, activating screen review mode will let you see the contents of the app that aren’t accessible with keyboard commands. These days screen review would not work properly in newer apps but you can find out the contents of a window by doing an OCR (NVDA+R).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Well, I thought that screen review mode meant that a page allowed you to activate certain shortcuts that a page had.

For example, on YouTube you can press “K”  for it to pause and play.

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 4:49 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Can you tell us what you know about screen review? That way we can help you fill in the gap.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 4:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Hello guys,

I think I am overthinking NVDA’s Screen Review Mode. Can someone explain it to me? Or point me  to where I can learn more about it.
Re: NVDA Screen Review Mode

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Ah, I see.

What you are describing is called “focus mode” where whatever key you press will be dealt not by NVDA but by the web application you are using. For example, pressing K while playing a YouTube video will pause the video if focus mode is on, whereas NVDA will move you to the next link if browse mode is active.

Screen review, on the other hand, will let you review the contents of an app’s window. For example, under older programs, activating screen review mode will let you see the contents of the app that aren’t accessible with keyboard commands. These days screen review would not work properly in newer apps but you can find out the contents of a window by doing an OCR (NVDA+R).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Well, I thought that screen review mode meant that a page allowed you to activate certain shortcuts that a page had.

For example, on YouTube you can press “K”  for it to pause and play.

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 4:49 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Can you tell us what you know about screen review? That way we can help you fill in the gap.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 4:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Hello guys,

I think I am overthinking NVDA’s Screen Review Mode. Can someone explain it to me? Or point me  to where I can learn more about it.
Re: NVDA Screen Review Mode

Blind allday
 

Well, I thought that screen review mode meant that a page allowed you to activate certain shortcuts that a page had.

For example, on YouTube you can press “K”  for it to pause and play.


On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 4:49 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Can you tell us what you know about screen review? That way we can help you fill in the gap.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 4:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Hello guys,

I think I am overthinking NVDA’s Screen Review Mode. Can someone explain it to me? Or point me  to where I can learn more about it.
Re: solution for reading chats in Zoom?

Sim Kah Yong
 

Hi

My experience is that whenever my chat panel is open, any chat messages will be read out by NVDA whenever they come. Thanks.

On 1/21/2021 8:28 AM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
You are exactly right. I have no problem reading chats by opening the
chat panel, but how will I know to check it if NVDA doesn't tell me
anything when chats come in?

On 1/20/21, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
But if the chats aren't read out loud and if no indication is given that a
chat has arrived, you won't know without continually checking to see if new

ones have arrived, something you wouldn't want to keep manually checking.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2021 2:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] solution for reading chats in Zoom?

You can read the chats with ctrl+f1, ctrl+f2, etc. I'm not sure how
to copy info from a chat, though.
Re: Navigating A Web Page

mike mcglashon
 

Sorry about that brother,

Didn’t mean to upset you like that;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 7:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Navigating A Web Page

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 07:44 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Please man,

Easy,

Don’t be so rude;

-
I'm being rude?  You're the one that pulled out an apple when I was clearly discussing a specific situation that's an orange.  And the apple you pulled out has a completely obvious answer:  inaccessible.  It amounts to, "Look, a squirrel!," as an attempt to divert.

I'm sick of this, no matter who does it, and that includes you.
 
--

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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 
Re: Navigating A Web Page

Brian Vogel
 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 07:44 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

Please man,

Easy,

Don’t be so rude;

-
I'm being rude?  You're the one that pulled out an apple when I was clearly discussing a specific situation that's an orange.  And the apple you pulled out has a completely obvious answer:  inaccessible.  It amounts to, "Look, a squirrel!," as an attempt to divert.

I'm sick of this, no matter who does it, and that includes you.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 
Re: NVDA Screen Review Mode

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,

Can you tell us what you know about screen review? That way we can help you fill in the gap.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 4:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Hello guys,

I think I am overthinking NVDA’s Screen Review Mode. Can someone explain it to me? Or point me  to where I can learn more about it.
NVDA Screen Review Mode

Blind allday
 

Hello guys,

I think I am overthinking NVDA’s Screen Review Mode. Can someone explain it to me? Or point me  to where I can learn more about it.
Re: Navigating A Web Page

mike mcglashon
 

Please man,

Easy,

Don’t be so rude;

I know that this particular situation your nvda said things;

I was referring to situations where it does not;

Also, some of us non-tech guys do not have thought patterns that equate to those of techies;

Hence why guys like me appreciate guys like you who do;

 

 

Please advise as you like.

 

Mike M.

 

Mike mcglashon

Email: Michael.mcglashon@...

Ph: 618 783 9331

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 7:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Navigating A Web Page

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 07:38 PM, mike mcglashon wrote:

It’s hard to infer anything from nothing;

 

Please advise as you like.

 

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Is that what's happening here?  No.

If you can't get any information from the screen reader at all, that's inaccessible, plain and simple.

But I'm not going to attempt to discuss a situation not germane to this one, and in this case, where inaccessible is what something would be by definition if you can't get any information from the screen reader.
 
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

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