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Re: asking on behalf of a friend

Sarah k Alawami
 

I take them all the time, but they upload to my one drive. I then label them and caption them etc. That is not for this list, so I'm gone.

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On 23 Jan 2021, at 22:19, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

I would think the same. I wouldn't have thought to use AIRA, but
that's probably the only way you can read screen shots. As for sending
screen shots, that's pretty easy, but I wish Windows would be like the
mac where you actually hear the camera as it takes the screenshot.
This is part of the reason why I've never taken one, but at least in
theory it's pretty easy to do.

On 1/23/21, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

I was waiting for a first response. It would be doable but truthfully
I would not. You will need aira to help you and although doable you will
be slow. Good luck job hunting.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com)

Check out my [adventures with a shadow
machine.](http://tffppodcast.com/shadow)

to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)
and you can also [follow us on twitter](http://twitter.com/tffppodcast)

Our [discord](http://discord.tffppodcast.com) is where you will know
when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum) Feel free to give
the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit [my main lbry
page](http://lbry.tv/@ke7zum) and my [tffp lbry
page](http://lbry.tv/@tffp) You will also be able to buy some of my
products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

On 23 Jan 2021, at 14:28, Gene wrote:

If you mean a screen shot as an image, which they are, I don't know to
what extent or how reliably you can. it would require OCR and I am
skeptical that the speed or accuracy would be suitable for use in a
job. I haven't tried this and those who have will,, I hope tell their
experiences.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Arlene
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 4:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] asking on behalf of a friend



Hi list: Arlene here, I want to ask a question. My room mate is
seeking employment where you have to read screen shots on the
computer. Can NVDA read them? Heer’s the e-mail my room mate sent to
me so I can ask on this list. Another blind computer user thinks you
can’t do it. This was from another blind tec list. My room mate uses
a mac computer but she has access to a windows computer that has both
NVDA and Jaws on it. Here is the Message.





Hey there Kerri!

Happy Friday! Stephanie here from Shopify. Thank you again for taking
the time out of your day to meet with me yesterday regarding the
Junior Support Advisor

position. I really enjoyed out chat :)

I wanted to reach out to get a little more information from you
regarding the types of tools/accommodations you would require to
assist with the role,

should we move forward with your application. You mentioned the use of
a screen reader that would assist with all text based info - would you
be able to

let me know which screen reader it is that you use so I can check in
with our team to ensure compatibility?

The JSA role does involve sending and receiving image files to/from
merchants. For example, we often use screenshots of merchant's online
shops to help

troubleshoot issues that they may be facing. There are also image
based problems that often come up often with merchants such as product
image quality,

placement, and size. Are images something that you would be
comfortable assisting with?

Any additional information would much appreciated as I can then pass
everything along to our Accessibility team.

Hope you have an awesome weekend Kerri and I look forward to hearing
back from you!

Talk soon,

Stephanie





Sent from Mail for Windows 10








Re: NVDA Keyboard Issue

brice Mijares
 

With a extended keyboard, you want to use desktop layout.

On 1/24/2021 6:30 AM, Blind allday wrote:

I got a new laptop and it’s one of those that has a number pad on the right of it. You also must hold down the function key to activate any of the F keys. I was able to turn that off.

So, to the issue. I can move by character, word and line but only using the number pad on the right not the original NVDA laptop layout commands. I tried going to the NVDA preferences>settings>keyboard but I couldn’t find anything that could fix the problem.

I think it may be a problem with my laptop keyboard and not NVDA. Has anyone else had this problem?


NVDA Keyboard Issue

Blind allday
 

I got a new laptop and it’s one of those that has a number pad on the right of it. You also must hold down the function key to activate any of the F keys. I was able to turn that off.

So, to the issue. I can move by character, word and line but only using the number pad on the right not the original NVDA laptop layout commands. I tried going to the NVDA preferences>settings>keyboard but I couldn’t find anything that could fix the problem.

I think it may be a problem with my laptop keyboard and not NVDA. Has anyone else had this problem?


Re: Firefox problems using NVDA

mcLeod stinnett
 

--
from mack I am in the U. S. and use chase all the time, but I don't use the ESR version of firefox. if you want to stay with that, install the most up to date standard version as a portable copy. when I open library, ctrl shft o and choose the bookmark for chase I land on a page where I can enter user name and password. this is the link,
https://secure05b.chase.com/web/auth/dashboard#/dashboard/overviewAccounts/overview/index


Re: asking on behalf of a friend

Bob Cavanaugh
 

I would think the same. I wouldn't have thought to use AIRA, but
that's probably the only way you can read screen shots. As for sending
screen shots, that's pretty easy, but I wish Windows would be like the
mac where you actually hear the camera as it takes the screenshot.
This is part of the reason why I've never taken one, but at least in
theory it's pretty easy to do.

On 1/23/21, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
I was waiting for a first response. It would be doable but truthfully
I would not. You will need aira to help you and although doable you will
be slow. Good luck job hunting.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com)

Check out my [adventures with a shadow
machine.](http://tffppodcast.com/shadow)

to subscribe to the feed click [here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)
and you can also [follow us on twitter](http://twitter.com/tffppodcast)

Our [discord](http://discord.tffppodcast.com) is where you will know
when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum) Feel free to give
the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit [my main lbry
page](http://lbry.tv/@ke7zum) and my [tffp lbry
page](http://lbry.tv/@tffp) You will also be able to buy some of my
products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

On 23 Jan 2021, at 14:28, Gene wrote:

If you mean a screen shot as an image, which they are, I don't know to
what extent or how reliably you can. it would require OCR and I am
skeptical that the speed or accuracy would be suitable for use in a
job. I haven't tried this and those who have will,, I hope tell their
experiences.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Arlene
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 4:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] asking on behalf of a friend



Hi list: Arlene here, I want to ask a question. My room mate is
seeking employment where you have to read screen shots on the
computer. Can NVDA read them? Heer’s the e-mail my room mate sent to
me so I can ask on this list. Another blind computer user thinks you
can’t do it. This was from another blind tec list. My room mate uses
a mac computer but she has access to a windows computer that has both
NVDA and Jaws on it. Here is the Message.





Hey there Kerri!

Happy Friday! Stephanie here from Shopify. Thank you again for taking
the time out of your day to meet with me yesterday regarding the
Junior Support Advisor

position. I really enjoyed out chat :)

I wanted to reach out to get a little more information from you
regarding the types of tools/accommodations you would require to
assist with the role,

should we move forward with your application. You mentioned the use of
a screen reader that would assist with all text based info - would you
be able to

let me know which screen reader it is that you use so I can check in
with our team to ensure compatibility?

The JSA role does involve sending and receiving image files to/from
merchants. For example, we often use screenshots of merchant's online
shops to help

troubleshoot issues that they may be facing. There are also image
based problems that often come up often with merchants such as product
image quality,

placement, and size. Are images something that you would be
comfortable assisting with?

Any additional information would much appreciated as I can then pass
everything along to our Accessibility team.

Hope you have an awesome weekend Kerri and I look forward to hearing
back from you!

Talk soon,

Stephanie





Sent from Mail for Windows 10












calibre and NVDA

 

Hello all. I'm currently running the latest version of Calibre, 5.10.1. I thought there was some piece of software or an NVDA add-on that would make this a bit ore accessible. Any leads would be appreciated.


Re: On Intentionally Marking Any Groups.io Message as Spam - DON'T #adminnotice

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I've had to mark some of the messages from the group platforms I'm on as "not spam", because they end up in the spam folder.  I've never marked them as spam.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: asking on behalf of a friend

Sarah k Alawami
 

I was waiting for a first response. It would be doable but truthfully I would not. You will need aira to help you and although doable you will be slow. Good luck job hunting.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 23 Jan 2021, at 14:28, Gene wrote:

If you mean a screen shot as an image, which they are, I don't know to what extent or how reliably you can. it would require OCR and I am skeptical that the speed or accuracy would be suitable for use in a job. I haven't tried this and those who have will,, I hope tell their experiences.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Arlene
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 4:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] asking on behalf of a friend

Hi list: Arlene here, I want to ask a question. My room mate is seeking employment where you have to read screen shots on the computer. Can NVDA read them? Heer’s the e-mail my room mate sent to me so I can ask on this list. Another blind computer user thinks you can’t do it. This was from another blind tec list. My room mate uses a mac computer but she has access to a windows computer that has both NVDA and Jaws on it. Here is the Message.

Hey there Kerri!

Happy Friday! Stephanie here from Shopify. Thank you again for taking the time out of your day to meet with me yesterday regarding the Junior Support Advisor

position. I really enjoyed out chat :)

I wanted to reach out to get a little more information from you regarding the types of tools/accommodations you would require to assist with the role,

should we move forward with your application. You mentioned the use of a screen reader that would assist with all text based info - would you be able to

let me know which screen reader it is that you use so I can check in with our team to ensure compatibility?

The JSA role does involve sending and receiving image files to/from merchants. For example, we often use screenshots of merchant's online shops to help

troubleshoot issues that they may be facing. There are also image based problems that often come up often with merchants such as product image quality,

placement, and size. Are images something that you would be comfortable assisting with?

Any additional information would much appreciated as I can then pass everything along to our Accessibility team.

Hope you have an awesome weekend Kerri and I look forward to hearing back from you!

Talk soon,

Stephanie

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Re: asking on behalf of a friend

Gene
 

If you mean a screen shot as an image, which they are, I don't know to what extent or how reliably you can. it would require OCR and I am skeptical that the speed or accuracy would be suitable for use in a job. I haven't tried this and those who have will,, I hope tell their experiences.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Arlene
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 4:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] asking on behalf of a friend



Hi list: Arlene here, I want to ask a question. My room mate is seeking employment where you have to read screen shots on the computer. Can NVDA read them? Heer’s the e-mail my room mate sent to me so I can ask on this list. Another blind computer user thinks you can’t do it. This was from another blind tec list. My room mate uses a mac computer but she has access to a windows computer that has both NVDA and Jaws on it. Here is the Message.





Hey there Kerri!

Happy Friday! Stephanie here from Shopify. Thank you again for taking the time out of your day to meet with me yesterday regarding the Junior Support Advisor

position. I really enjoyed out chat :)

I wanted to reach out to get a little more information from you regarding the types of tools/accommodations you would require to assist with the role,

should we move forward with your application. You mentioned the use of a screen reader that would assist with all text based info - would you be able to

let me know which screen reader it is that you use so I can check in with our team to ensure compatibility?

The JSA role does involve sending and receiving image files to/from merchants. For example, we often use screenshots of merchant's online shops to help

troubleshoot issues that they may be facing. There are also image based problems that often come up often with merchants such as product image quality,

placement, and size. Are images something that you would be comfortable assisting with?

Any additional information would much appreciated as I can then pass everything along to our Accessibility team.

Hope you have an awesome weekend Kerri and I look forward to hearing back from you!

Talk soon,

Stephanie





Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Re: NVDA Screen Review Mode

Gene
 

Screen review isn't the same as reading by object. If you open a document in Notepad, and I suspect a word processor in general, that whole document is one object. If you are in object review, you can move through the entire document if you wish. If you are in screen review, you can only move through what is on screen. Screen review reviews what is on screen. Object navigation allows you to move through various objects, on and off screen and its at times, the only way to work with a program.

You aren't reading this or that in an object when you use screen review. You are reading anything on screen.

If you haven't used a program where the only way to work with it is by object navigation, you may not realize the importance of the ability. Many people may not have to use object navigation much, if at all, many people find it helpful, important, or essential if it is important to them to use an application that requires. it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 3:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode



Actually in my case I don't need to go into object mode. I just use screen review, get to where i want, then use object left, right, read the current one, copy to the clipboard if I need to and, it's done. In fact most of the time if I use current line, I can read the current object or objects depending on the layout of the screen.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 23 Jan 2021, at 11:55, Gene wrote:



It may be that if you only use the ways of moving and reading the current line that don't involve object navigation that you won't get unexpected results. But if you use commands like numpad 8, read current line of current object, etc. you will get unexpected results unless you change to object review. I don't know how many people use these commands but I find them much more convenient. I would far rather use numpad 8 to check a current line than NVDA key up arrow. Numpad 8 is a one hand command. And when I close a message in the e-mail programs I use, delete a message and am now on the next one in the list, I use numpad 8 to read the headers without a lot of extraneous speech. That is much more convenient than using NVDA key up arrow to read the current line that way. So perhaps I should alter what I say when I discuss this.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

I don't ever ever return to object review mode. and I never get odd results. I don't really know why you keep saying that as for me it is not true. I can still use my arrows then to into an object all without switching modes.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 23 Jan 2021, at 0:04, Gene wrote:

When you are in screen review mode, you can move around the screen and not change your place where you are working, for example, in a word processor, you can move around and not change the position of the cursor where you are working. Also, if you are somewhere where you can't move around using Windows commands such as up and down arrow, you can look at what is on the screen in review mode. If an error message ccomes up, you can move around it using screen review.

Don't forget to always return to object navigation mode as soon ase you are finished working in review mode. If you don't, you may get unexpected results.

Gene

On 1/23/2021 1:14 AM, Blind allday wrote:

I have read the user guide but it was a very brief overview of the Screen Review Mode.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 10:32 PM Chris Smart ve3rwj@winsystem.org wrote:

If you mean ObjectNAV, it's not that scary.

On 2021-01-22 8:56 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually tha'ts not quite true. I use screen review on a lot of newer programs and activate things with the mouse. I use screen review to read the screen, route and click. I never if I can help it use object review.

Take care

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Jan 2021, at 17:22, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Ah, I see.

What you are describing is called “focus mode” where whatever key you press will be dealt not by NVDA but by the web application you are using. For example, pressing K while playing a YouTube video will pause the video if focus mode is on, whereas NVDA will move you to the next link if browse mode is active.

Screen review, on the other hand, will let you review the contents of an app’s window. For example, under older programs, activating screen review mode will let you see the contents of the app that aren’t accessible with keyboard commands. These days screen review would not work properly in newer apps but you can find out the contents of a window by doing an OCR (NVDA+R).

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

Well, I thought that screen review mode meant that a page allowed you to activate certain shortcuts that a page had.

For example, on YouTube you can press “K” for it to pause and play.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 4:49 PM Joseph Lee joseph.lee22590@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Can you tell us what you know about screen review? That way we can help you fill in the gap.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 4:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

Hello guys,

I think I am overthinking NVDA’s Screen Review Mode. Can someone explain it to me? Or point me to where I can learn more about it.


asking on behalf of a friend

Arlene
 

Hi list: Arlene here, I want to ask a question. My room mate is seeking employment where you have to read screen shots on the computer. Can NVDA read them? Heer’s the e-mail my room mate sent to me so I can ask on this list. Another blind computer user thinks you can’t do it. This was from another blind tec list. My room mate uses a mac computer but she has access to a windows computer that has both NVDA and Jaws on it. Here is the Message.

 

​​​​​​​​​​

Hey there Kerri!

Happy Friday! Stephanie here from Shopify. Thank you again for taking the time out of your day to meet with me yesterday regarding the Junior Support Advisor

position. I really enjoyed out chat :)

I wanted to reach out to get a little more information from you regarding the types of tools/accommodations you would require to assist with the role,

should we move forward with your application. You mentioned the use of a screen reader that would assist with all text based info - would you be able to

let me know which screen reader it is that you use so I can check in with our team to ensure compatibility?

The JSA role does involve sending and receiving image files to/from merchants. For example, we often use screenshots of merchant's online shops to help

troubleshoot issues that they may be facing. There are also image based problems that often come up often with merchants such as product image quality,

placement, and size. Are images something that you would be comfortable assisting with?

Any additional information would much appreciated as I can then pass everything along to our Accessibility team.

Hope you have an awesome weekend Kerri and I look forward to hearing back from you!

Talk soon,

Stephanie

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Simplifying Web Pages for Screen Reading

Gene
 

You don't need to have a page read aloud using the read aloud feature of Immersive Reader. You can turn Immersive Reader on and read the page with a screen-reader.

Also, regarding Outliner, what are you missing? I'm always suspicious of such features and that is my first question. With Immersive Reader, I'm not sure how often you may miss contents such as related links. But I would want to compare pages using these features with the page without using them. I want to know what I'm missing and if it matters.

Reading a whole page probably wouldn't be necessary but reading enough to get an idea for comparison might be important, depending on what your goals are. If, for example, related links aren't shown in Immersive Reader, that might be of importance if you want to see other information related to a subject.

Gene

On 1/22/2021 1:18 PM, Milton Charlton wrote:


Simplifying Web Pages for Screen Reading

I have just begun to try NVDA so all this might be off base or it might be useful.

Many web pages include advertisements and lots of information besides that we want to hear. Here are some ways to simplify web pages:

1. 1. <!--[endif]-->Go to Outline.com to simplify the page. Copy, type or dictate the URL of the page you wish to read into the box in the Outline.com page. You may also install Outliner as an extension in Microsoft EDGE. The extension makes a white square icon to the right of the URL space of a page. When the cursor is over this icon, NVDA announces “Outliner want access to this site”. If you click on the icon, the page becomes simplified. Pages simplified either way may be much easier to read with NVDA. The Chrome browser Web Store has an extension called Reader View Plus that seems to do the same thing. If you “pin” Reader View Plus it puts an icon to the right of the URL space.

2. 2. <!--[endif]-->In Microsoft EDGE(Chromium), many web pages show an icon immediately after the URL which is called “Immersive Reader”. When the cursor is placed on that icon NVDA announces “Enter immersive Reader F9”. When you hit F9 or click on the Immersive Reader icon, then select the Edge command “Read Aloud” (CTRL + SHIFT + U), the web page gets simplified and read out. It is very fast. I don’t know why some pages get Immersive Reader and others don’t. When Read Aloud is active, a new bar appears under the URL and at the right end is a menu that allows choice of speed and voice.

3. 3. <!--[endif]-->In Microsoft EDGE(Chromium), the Read Aloud function (Ctrl + Shift + U ) reads out web pages with or without being simplified.

4. 4. <!--[endif]-->These simplification tricks do not seem useful for pages that are compilations of other pages such as CNN.COM/NEWS, CBC.CA/NEWS, BBC.COM/NEWS.


Re: NVDA Screen Review Mode

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually in my case I don't need to go into object mode. I just use screen review, get to where i want, then use object left, right, read the current one, copy to the clipboard if I need to and, it's done. In fact most of the time if I use current line, I can read the current object or objects depending on the layout of the screen.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 23 Jan 2021, at 11:55, Gene wrote:

It may be that if you only use the ways of moving and reading the current line that don't involve object navigation that you won't get unexpected results. But if you use commands like numpad 8, read current line of current object, etc. you will get unexpected results unless you change to object review. I don't know how many people use these commands but I find them much more convenient. I would far rather use numpad 8 to check a current line than NVDA key up arrow. Numpad 8 is a one hand command. And when I close a message in the e-mail programs I use, delete a message and am now on the next one in the list, I use numpad 8 to read the headers without a lot of extraneous speech. That is much more convenient than using NVDA key up arrow to read the current line that way. So perhaps I should alter what I say when I discuss this.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

I don't ever ever return to object review mode. and I never get odd results. I don't really know why you keep saying that as for me it is not true. I can still use my arrows then to into an object all without switching modes.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 23 Jan 2021, at 0:04, Gene wrote:

When you are in screen review mode, you can move around the screen and not change your place where you are working, for example, in a word processor, you can move around and not change the position of the cursor where you are working. Also, if you are somewhere where you can't move around using Windows commands such as up and down arrow, you can look at what is on the screen in review mode. If an error message ccomes up, you can move around it using screen review.

Don't forget to always return to object navigation mode as soon ase you are finished working in review mode. If you don't, you may get unexpected results.

Gene

On 1/23/2021 1:14 AM, Blind allday wrote:

I have read the user guide but it was a very brief overview of the Screen Review Mode.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 10:32 PM Chris Smart ve3rwj@... wrote:

If you mean ObjectNAV, it's not that scary.

On 2021-01-22 8:56 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually tha'ts not quite true. I use screen review on a lot of newer programs and activate things with the mouse. I use screen review to read the screen, route and click. I never if I can help it use object review.

Take care

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On 22 Jan 2021, at 17:22, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Ah, I see.

What you are describing is called “focus mode” where whatever key you press will be dealt not by NVDA but by the web application you are using. For example, pressing K while playing a YouTube video will pause the video if focus mode is on, whereas NVDA will move you to the next link if browse mode is active.

Screen review, on the other hand, will let you review the contents of an app’s window. For example, under older programs, activating screen review mode will let you see the contents of the app that aren’t accessible with keyboard commands. These days screen review would not work properly in newer apps but you can find out the contents of a window by doing an OCR (NVDA+R).

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

Well, I thought that screen review mode meant that a page allowed you to activate certain shortcuts that a page had.

For example, on YouTube you can press “K” for it to pause and play.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 4:49 PM Joseph Lee joseph.lee22590@... wrote:

Hi,

Can you tell us what you know about screen review? That way we can help you fill in the gap.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 4:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

Hello guys,

I think I am overthinking NVDA’s Screen Review Mode. Can someone explain it to me? Or point me to where I can learn more about it.


Re: Simplifying Web Pages for Screen Reading

Tony Malykh
 

Or alternatively, try my TextNav add-on for NVDA - it serves the same purpose - to simplify browsing web pages.

On 1/22/2021 1:18 PM, Milton Charlton wrote:

Simplifying Web Pages for Screen Reading

I have just begun to try NVDA so all this might be off base or it might be useful.

Many web pages include advertisements and lots of information besides that we want to hear.  Here are some ways to simplify web pages:

1.   1.   Go to  Outline.com to simplify the page.  Copy, type or dictate the URL of the page you wish to read into the box in the Outline.com page.  You may also install Outliner as an extension in Microsoft EDGE.  The extension makes a white square icon to the right of the URL space of a page. When the cursor is over this icon, NVDA announces “Outliner want access to this site”.  If you click on the icon, the page becomes simplified. Pages simplified either way may be much easier to read with NVDA.  The Chrome browser Web Store has an extension called Reader View Plus that seems to do the same thing.  If you “pin” Reader View Plus it puts an icon to the right of the URL space.

2.  2.    In Microsoft EDGE(Chromium), many web pages show an icon immediately after the URL which is called “Immersive Reader”.  When the cursor is placed on that icon NVDA announces “Enter immersive Reader F9”.  When you hit F9 or click on the Immersive Reader icon, then select the Edge command  “Read Aloud” (CTRL + SHIFT + U), the web page gets simplified and read out. It is very fast. I don’t know why some pages get Immersive Reader and others don’t. When Read Aloud is active, a new bar appears under the URL and at the right end is a menu that allows choice of speed and voice.

3.   3.   In Microsoft EDGE(Chromium), the Read Aloud function (Ctrl + Shift + U ) reads out web pages with or without being simplified.

4.     4. These simplification tricks do not seem useful for pages that are compilations of other pages such as  CNN.COM/NEWS, CBC.CA/NEWS, BBC.COM/NEWS.

 


Re: NVDA reading all punctuation marks

benmoxey@...
 

Hi Vaibhav

Do you experience the same problem in other Word documents?

Cheers

Ben

On 22 Jan 2021, at 6:42 pm, Vaibhav Bhandari <vaibhavbhandari2017@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry about the file attachment. I had forgotten about that.
The suggestions did not have any effect. It is still reading those marks.

On 1/22/21, Luke Davis <luke@newanswertech.com> wrote:
The other suggestions are better than this, but here's something that hasn't

been mentioned:

Do you perhaps have a configuration profile set in Word?
If you do, it may have a punctuation setting that the rest of the system
doesn't.
Press NVDA+n, c. That will place you in a dialog with a list of profiles.
Use
the down arrow to move through what profiles you have.

Luke

On Thu, 21 Jan 2021, Vaibhav Bhandari wrote:

I've found about it is that NVDA is only reading those punctuations in
word. This thing is neither happening in notepad nor in web browzers.





--
Thanks/regards: Vaibhav Bhandari





Re: NVDA Screen Review Mode

Gene
 

It may be that if you only use the ways of moving and reading the current line that don't involve object navigation that you won't get unexpected results. But if you use commands like numpad 8, read current line of current object, etc. you will get unexpected results unless you change to object review. I don't know how many people use these commands but I find them much more convenient. I would far rather use numpad 8 to check a current line than NVDA key up arrow. Numpad 8 is a one hand command. And when I close a message in the e-mail programs I use, delete a message and am now on the next one in the list, I use numpad 8 to read the headers without a lot of extraneous speech. That is much more convenient than using NVDA key up arrow to read the current line that way. So perhaps I should alter what I say when I discuss this.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 1:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode



I don't ever ever return to object review mode. and I never get odd results. I don't really know why you keep saying that as for me it is not true. I can still use my arrows then to into an object all without switching modes.

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On 23 Jan 2021, at 0:04, Gene wrote:




When you are in screen review mode, you can move around the screen and not change your place where you are working, for example, in a word processor, you can move around and not change the position of the cursor where you are working. Also, if you are somewhere where you can't move around using Windows commands such as up and down arrow, you can look at what is on the screen in review mode. If an error message ccomes up, you can move around it using screen review.





Don't forget to always return to object navigation mode as soon ase you are finished working in review mode. If you don't, you may get unexpected results.




Gene


On 1/23/2021 1:14 AM, Blind allday wrote:



I have read the user guide but it was a very brief overview of the Screen Review Mode.


On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 10:32 PM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@winsystem.org> wrote:


If you mean ObjectNAV, it's not that scary.





On 2021-01-22 8:56 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:


Actually tha'ts not quite true. I use screen review on a lot of newer programs and activate things with the mouse. I use screen review to read the screen, route and click. I never if I can help it use object review.

Take care

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Jan 2021, at 17:22, Joseph Lee wrote:



Hi,

Ah, I see.

What you are describing is called “focus mode” where whatever key you press will be dealt not by NVDA but by the web application you are using. For example, pressing K while playing a YouTube video will pause the video if focus mode is on, whereas NVDA will move you to the next link if browse mode is active.

Screen review, on the other hand, will let you review the contents of an app’s window. For example, under older programs, activating screen review mode will let you see the contents of the app that aren’t accessible with keyboard commands. These days screen review would not work properly in newer apps but you can find out the contents of a window by doing an OCR (NVDA+R).

Cheers,

Joseph





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode







Well, I thought that screen review mode meant that a page allowed you to activate certain shortcuts that a page had.

For example, on YouTube you can press “K” for it to pause and play.







On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 4:49 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi,

Can you tell us what you know about screen review? That way we can help you fill in the gap.

Cheers,

Joseph





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 4:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode







Hello guys,

I think I am overthinking NVDA’s Screen Review Mode. Can someone explain it to me? Or point me to where I can learn more about it.


Re: Navigating A Web Page

Gene
 

You should be able to manually clear the cookie. It may be inconvenient but it may be a better option than getting rid of others.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 12:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Navigating A Web Page

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 12:42 PM, Gene wrote:
but testing may require constant removal of the cookie left by the site.-
That really depends on how you have your browser settings configured. If you're someone like me, who uses "start from where I left off" (or similar phrasing, it depends on the browser), then far more cookies, including session cookies, are retained if you exit the browser and restart it.

In most cases, something like a "Maybe Later" button should set a cookie that expires, and if you're not using the previously mentioned setting these generally get purged when you exit the browser and restart it. But not always, some are set to expire after a certain time elapses.

So you are absolutely correct that you may have to clear cookies for a period of time that is at least as long since you activated that Maybe Later button. This often has the unfortunate side effect of nuking session cookies, which are what keep you recognized as being logged in on various sites in the browser.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel


Re: NVDA Screen Review Mode

Sarah k Alawami
 

here's more info on FsTramp. basically it is a tool we use for now to fly. but that is beyond the scope of this list. if you have any quesiotns please ask me but not here.

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Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 23 Jan 2021, at 11:29, Chris Smart wrote:

Tramp? LOL

Biting my tongue over here LOL



On 2021-01-23 2:01 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Oh I know it's not, I know how to use it very well, I liken it to mac os. I just choose not to use it and use scren review on the new programs where necessary. You can hear me doing this a lot here. Just look for any video and fast forward to where I'm using tramp.

--

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Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

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Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Jan 2021, at 22:31, Chris Smart wrote:

If you mean ObjectNAV, it's not that scary.


On 2021-01-22 8:56 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually tha'ts not quite true. I use screen review on a lot of newer programs and activate things with the mouse. I use screen review to read the screen, route and click. I never if I can help it use object review.

Take care

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Jan 2021, at 17:22, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Ah, I see.

What you are describing is called “focus mode” where whatever key you press will be dealt not by NVDA but by the web application you are using. For example, pressing K while playing a YouTube video will pause the video if focus mode is on, whereas NVDA will move you to the next link if browse mode is active.

Screen review, on the other hand, will let you review the contents of an app’s window. For example, under older programs, activating screen review mode will let you see the contents of the app that aren’t accessible with keyboard commands. These days screen review would not work properly in newer apps but you can find out the contents of a window by doing an OCR (NVDA+R).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Well, I thought that screen review mode meant that a page allowed you to activate certain shortcuts that a page had.

For example, on YouTube you can press “K”  for it to pause and play.

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 4:49 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Can you tell us what you know about screen review? That way we can help you fill in the gap.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 4:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Hello guys,

I think I am overthinking NVDA’s Screen Review Mode. Can someone explain it to me? Or point me  to where I can learn more about it.


Re: NVDA Screen Review Mode

Chris Smart
 

Tramp? LOL

Biting my tongue over here LOL



On 2021-01-23 2:01 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Oh I know it's not, I know how to use it very well, I liken it to mac os. I just choose not to use it and use scren review on the new programs where necessary. You can hear me doing this a lot here. Just look for any video and fast forward to where I'm using tramp.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

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Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Jan 2021, at 22:31, Chris Smart wrote:

If you mean ObjectNAV, it's not that scary.


On 2021-01-22 8:56 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually tha'ts not quite true. I use screen review on a lot of newer programs and activate things with the mouse. I use screen review to read the screen, route and click. I never if I can help it use object review.

Take care

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Jan 2021, at 17:22, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Ah, I see.

What you are describing is called “focus mode” where whatever key you press will be dealt not by NVDA but by the web application you are using. For example, pressing K while playing a YouTube video will pause the video if focus mode is on, whereas NVDA will move you to the next link if browse mode is active.

Screen review, on the other hand, will let you review the contents of an app’s window. For example, under older programs, activating screen review mode will let you see the contents of the app that aren’t accessible with keyboard commands. These days screen review would not work properly in newer apps but you can find out the contents of a window by doing an OCR (NVDA+R).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Well, I thought that screen review mode meant that a page allowed you to activate certain shortcuts that a page had.

For example, on YouTube you can press “K”  for it to pause and play.

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 4:49 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Can you tell us what you know about screen review? That way we can help you fill in the gap.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 4:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Hello guys,

I think I am overthinking NVDA’s Screen Review Mode. Can someone explain it to me? Or point me  to where I can learn more about it.


Re: NVDA Screen Review Mode

Sarah k Alawami
 

I don't ever ever return to object review mode. and I never get odd results. I don't really know why you keep saying that as for me it is not true. I can still use my arrows then to into an object all without switching modes.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 23 Jan 2021, at 0:04, Gene wrote:

When you are  in screen review mode, you can move around the screen and not change your place where you are working, for example, in a word processor, you can move around and not change the position of the cursor where you are working.  Also, if you are somewhere where you can't move around using Windows commands such as up and down arrow, you can look at what is on the screen in review mode.  If an error message ccomes up, you can move around it using screen review.


Don't forget to always return to object navigation mode as soon ase you are finished working in review mode.  If you don't, you may get unexpected results.


Gene

On 1/23/2021 1:14 AM, Blind allday wrote:

I have read the user guide but it was a very brief overview of the Screen Review Mode.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 10:32 PM Chris Smart <ve3rwj@...> wrote:

If you mean ObjectNAV, it's not that scary.


On 2021-01-22 8:56 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Actually tha'ts not quite true. I use screen review on a lot of newer programs and activate things with the mouse. I use screen review to read the screen, route and click. I never if I can help it use object review.

Take care

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Jan 2021, at 17:22, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Ah, I see.

What you are describing is called “focus mode” where whatever key you press will be dealt not by NVDA but by the web application you are using. For example, pressing K while playing a YouTube video will pause the video if focus mode is on, whereas NVDA will move you to the next link if browse mode is active.

Screen review, on the other hand, will let you review the contents of an app’s window. For example, under older programs, activating screen review mode will let you see the contents of the app that aren’t accessible with keyboard commands. These days screen review would not work properly in newer apps but you can find out the contents of a window by doing an OCR (NVDA+R).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 5:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Well, I thought that screen review mode meant that a page allowed you to activate certain shortcuts that a page had.

For example, on YouTube you can press “K”  for it to pause and play.

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2021 at 4:49 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Can you tell us what you know about screen review? That way we can help you fill in the gap.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Blind allday
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2021 4:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Screen Review Mode

 

Hello guys,

I think I am overthinking NVDA’s Screen Review Mode. Can someone explain it to me? Or point me  to where I can learn more about it.

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