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Re: Navigating A Web Page

Jonathan COHN
 

OK, I looked briefly at the site, and it appears that the site is not fully implementing the dialog in an accessible way.
First, when using a dialog like this, one should break the lock focus rule and only allow tab to move you within the buttons in the dialog, since other buttons and links are not active. Also, the region of the web page that is a dialog, should be labeled with “role=dialog”. Which can tell the browse cursor to stay in the dialog. I am not sure how NVDA handles this, but I expect it at least tells you that you have left a dialog.
I also noticed that I was not getting descriptions for graphics, I am on a new machine, so It is possible that my graphics verbosity is not configured correctly to ignore images with a null alt attribute, but I certainly seemed to encounter a few unlabeled graphics on the site.
Jonathan Cohn


Re: Is NVDA good with Libre Office or Open Office?

The Gamages
 

Naybe not of the highest importance, but the font colour dialogue became inaccessible as newer versions were intorduced, for a while object navigation could be used, but even that failed in the end.
Perhaps an older version of Libre office would be more suitable  until this can be resolved, if it is important to useres.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 

Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA good with Libre Office or Open Office?
 
Another option is SoftMaker FreeOffice with the caveats that you must install it with its setup for a menu driven interface (rather than ribbons, which in its case are entirely inaccessible for some reason) and you may need sighted help during install to do that, though I believe someone may have given instructions on getting around the one dialog where you select this that was not accessible "on the surface."  I'd have to search the archive.

I can't speak to anything about charts and graphs, though, as I never test for that sort of advanced feature when I'm doing "quick and dirty" accessibility testing.
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Re: Is NVDA good with Libre Office or Open Office?

 

Another option is SoftMaker FreeOffice with the caveats that you must install it with its setup for a menu driven interface (rather than ribbons, which in its case are entirely inaccessible for some reason) and you may need sighted help during install to do that, though I believe someone may have given instructions on getting around the one dialog where you select this that was not accessible "on the surface."  I'd have to search the archive.

I can't speak to anything about charts and graphs, though, as I never test for that sort of advanced feature when I'm doing "quick and dirty" accessibility testing.
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Re: Creating an Issue in GitHub for NVDA

 

In addition to the original step-by-step tutorial:  Creating an Issue in GitHub for NVDA
an additional one has been created (and is also linked to in the above noted tutorial), Collecting NVDA Debugging Information to Report to NVAccess, for those who may find themselves asked to get debug level log information in order to assist in solving an issue they're having.

Both download in MS-Word docx file format.
 
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Re: Is NVDA good with Libre Office or Open Office?

Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
 

libreoffice but with libre office you can't read charts and graphs and do some of the things you can do with Microsoft office.  it is OK, but NVDA is best with Microsoft office. You can subscribe to Microsoft office for $70 a year. Office 365.


Re: Limit to number of messages in groups.io E-mail threads

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Yes, all that is true, but I noticed that even with some messages with
the same subject line threading doesn't always work the way I would
expect it to. I think this happens most often when someone does not
reply to the most recent message, but an older one. Another recent
example is my Bluetooth thread from a month or so ago, which got split
in two by Gmail.

On 1/24/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 02:52 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:


I had several versions of it in my inbox. I don't know why it wasn't
muerged into one big thread, but it wasn't.
-
It was, in the archive, but that's the only place that a topic that's been
split, whether accidentally or intentionally, can be merged back together.

All it takes is the person sending a reply making a single character change
in the subject of the message, or correcting a spelling or capitalization,
or similar, for a single topic to be split into two as far as e-mail clients
are concerned.  And those who reply to the original topic will show up on
that topic, and those who reply to any message in a revised subject topic
will end up on that one.

There is no way for any list administrator to fix that, as e-mail threading
itself is what causes that split.

That is why I have, on multiple groups, asked people to avoid changing
subject lines.  And on those occasions where I need to re-title a topic so
that future archive searchers are likely to find it, I always send out a
message with the revised title and ask all who wish to respond from that
point forward to use that message, or one that is a direct response to it,
as the thing to reply to, not the original.

I spend a lot of time merging topics split by members, whether by intent or
by accident.  But I can only make them come together again in the archive,
not in email clients.  And if a member takes a topic that you've muted or
unfollowed, and changes the subject line, it will appear again because it is
considered a new topic, both by e-mail clients and groups.io.
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Re: calibre and NVDA

 

I probably have that one.




On 1/24/2021 3:43 PM, mk360 wrote:

Also, you can use a spanish add-on that improves the Calibre accessibility wiith NVDA, you can download it here.

Regards,

mk.

El 24/01/2021 a las 17:08, Jackie escribió:
Yeah, it's called the cli (command line interface) lol.

On 1/23/21, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
Hello all. I'm currently running the latest version of Calibre, 5.10.1.
I thought there was some piece of software or an NVDA add-on that would
make this a bit ore accessible. Any leads would be appreciated.







Re: oops! phonetics

Jackie
 

*Good catch!* Brian V.

On 1/24/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
You asked about the Enhanced Phonetic Reading add-on back in July, and I
wonder if you turned this on via the add-on.  This is one I have never
played with, but that's where I'd look first.
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Re: oops! phonetics

 

You asked about the Enhanced Phonetic Reading add-on back in July, and I wonder if you turned this on via the add-on.  This is one I have never played with, but that's where I'd look first.
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Re: Limit to number of messages in groups.io E-mail threads

 

On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 02:52 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:
I had several versions of it in my inbox. I don't know why it wasn't muerged into one big thread, but it wasn't.
-
It was, in the archive, but that's the only place that a topic that's been split, whether accidentally or intentionally, can be merged back together.

All it takes is the person sending a reply making a single character change in the subject of the message, or correcting a spelling or capitalization, or similar, for a single topic to be split into two as far as e-mail clients are concerned.  And those who reply to the original topic will show up on that topic, and those who reply to any message in a revised subject topic will end up on that one.  

There is no way for any list administrator to fix that, as e-mail threading itself is what causes that split.

That is why I have, on multiple groups, asked people to avoid changing subject lines.  And on those occasions where I need to re-title a topic so that future archive searchers are likely to find it, I always send out a message with the revised title and ask all who wish to respond from that point forward to use that message, or one that is a direct response to it, as the thing to reply to, not the original.

I spend a lot of time merging topics split by members, whether by intent or by accident.  But I can only make them come together again in the archive, not in email clients.  And if a member takes a topic that you've muted or unfollowed, and changes the subject line, it will appear again because it is considered a new topic, both by e-mail clients and groups.io.
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oops! phonetics

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I accidentally managed to turn on phonetics so that whenever I place the cursor on a letter it says the phonetic rather than the letter name. How do I switch it back?
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Is NVDA good with Libre Office or Open Office?

Milton Charlton
 

Is NVDA good with Libre Office or Open Office?

I searched the forum for this and found some problems with NVDA and Libre Office or Open Office. 
Is anyone happy using current versions of these programs with NVDA?  
My friend has used Office 2010 for years but is changing computers and wants to update to Office 2019.  He must update two computers so expense is an issue.  
Thanks for your advice.
Milton


Re: Limit to number of messages in groups.io E-mail threads

JM Casey
 

You could try direct sound API – it has limitations but probably wouldn’t affect you and many older applications (including stuff like winamp) still use it.

As an experiment, you could try turning off JAWS and see if you still get an error when trying to record. Wasapi-enabled applications are supposed to be able to take exclusive control of the sound device, though I don’t see any options in GW for doing this and it’s been a while since I played with such things. Obviously, to have speech going through the same device while using Goldwave, this isn’t something that you want.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: January 24, 2021 02:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Limit to number of messages in groups.io E-mail threads

 

Hi, Same here. I had to go directly to the Gmail site and get rid of the huge thread List admin thread. I had to go to Delete forever after I deleted it from my windows ten mail client. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: January 24, 2021 11:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Limit to number of messages in groups.io E-mail threads

 

I don't know why, but Gmail seems to do weird things with threads

sometimes. I remember before I unfollowed that topic, I had several

versions of it in my inbox. I don't know why it wasn't murged into one

big thread, but it wasn't. This seems to happen quite a bit with list

threads.

 

On 1/24/21, Louise Pfau <louise.pfau@...> wrote:

> Hi.  I noticed there was a reference to the "Admin's notes" thread having

> more than 200 messages, but I didn't have that many in my E-mail client.

> Does groups.io limit the number of messages in a thread when it is sent to

> third-party E-mail clients?  I know this isn't directly related to NVDA, but

> this is the first group where I've seen the phenomenon.

> Thanks,

> Louise

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: calibre and NVDA

mk360
 

Also, you can use a spanish add-on that improves the Calibre accessibility wiith NVDA, you can download it here.

Regards,

mk.

El 24/01/2021 a las 17:08, Jackie escribió:
Yeah, it's called the cli (command line interface) lol.

On 1/23/21, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
Hello all. I'm currently running the latest version of Calibre, 5.10.1.
I thought there was some piece of software or an NVDA add-on that would
make this a bit ore accessible. Any leads would be appreciated.








Re: calibre and NVDA

 

I was thinking more of an NVDA add-on. I found one, and it does what I need it to do.


As to your suggestion, I should probably learn that interface. :)





On 1/24/2021 3:08 PM, Jackie wrote:
Yeah, it's called the cli (command line interface) lol.

On 1/23/21, Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
Hello all. I'm currently running the latest version of Calibre, 5.10.1.
I thought there was some piece of software or an NVDA add-on that would
make this a bit ore accessible. Any leads would be appreciated.








Re: calibre and NVDA

Jackie
 

Yeah, it's called the cli (command line interface) lol.

On 1/23/21, Governor staten <govsta@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all. I'm currently running the latest version of Calibre, 5.10.1.
I thought there was some piece of software or an NVDA add-on that would
make this a bit ore accessible. Any leads would be appreciated.





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Re: Limit to number of messages in groups.io E-mail threads

Arlene
 

Hi, Same here. I had to go directly to the Gmail site and get rid of the huge thread List admin thread. I had to go to Delete forever after I deleted it from my windows ten mail client. 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: January 24, 2021 11:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Limit to number of messages in groups.io E-mail threads

 

I don't know why, but Gmail seems to do weird things with threads

sometimes. I remember before I unfollowed that topic, I had several

versions of it in my inbox. I don't know why it wasn't murged into one

big thread, but it wasn't. This seems to happen quite a bit with list

threads.

 

On 1/24/21, Louise Pfau <louise.pfau@...> wrote:

> Hi.  I noticed there was a reference to the "Admin's notes" thread having

> more than 200 messages, but I didn't have that many in my E-mail client.

> Does groups.io limit the number of messages in a thread when it is sent to

> third-party E-mail clients?  I know this isn't directly related to NVDA, but

> this is the first group where I've seen the phenomenon.

> Thanks,

> Louise

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Limit to number of messages in groups.io E-mail threads

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

I don't know why, but Gmail seems to do weird things with threads
sometimes. I remember before I unfollowed that topic, I had several
versions of it in my inbox. I don't know why it wasn't murged into one
big thread, but it wasn't. This seems to happen quite a bit with list
threads.

On 1/24/21, Louise Pfau <louise.pfau@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi. I noticed there was a reference to the "Admin's notes" thread having
more than 200 messages, but I didn't have that many in my E-mail client.
Does groups.io limit the number of messages in a thread when it is sent to
third-party E-mail clients? I know this isn't directly related to NVDA, but
this is the first group where I've seen the phenomenon.

Thanks,

Louise






Re: asking on behalf of a friend

Arlene
 

Thanks for all your help on this list. My room mate is looking for an online job. I forwarded the messages to her with your answers. Like my room mate. She says she knows Sarah K. I think she uses a mac as well. She knows Sarah K.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: January 23, 2021 10:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] asking on behalf of a friend

 

I would think the same. I wouldn't have thought to use AIRA, but

that's probably the only way you can read screen shots. As for sending

screen shots, that's pretty easy, but I wish Windows would be like the

mac where you actually hear the camera as it takes the screenshot.

This is part of the reason why I've never taken one, but at least in

theory it's pretty easy to do.

 

On 1/23/21, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

> I was waiting  for a first response. It  would be doable but truthfully

> I would not. You will need aira to help you and although doable you will

> be slow. Good luck job hunting.

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> On 23 Jan 2021, at 14:28, Gene wrote:

>> If you mean a screen shot as an image, which they are, I don't know to

>> what extent or how reliably you can.  it would require OCR and I am

>> skeptical that the speed or accuracy would be suitable for use in a

>> job.  I haven't tried this and those who have will,, I hope tell their

>> experiences.

>> 

>> Gene

>> -----Original Message----- From: Arlene

>> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2021 4:23 PM

>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> Subject: [nvda] asking on behalf of a friend

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hi list: Arlene here, I want to ask a question. My room mate is

>> seeking employment where you have to read screen shots on the

>> computer. Can NVDA read them? Heer’s the e-mail my room mate sent to

>> me so I can ask on this list. Another blind computer user thinks you

>> can’t do it. This was from another blind tec list. My room mate uses

>> a mac computer but she has access to a windows computer that has both

>> NVDA and Jaws on it. Here is the Message.

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> Hey there Kerri!

>> 

>> Happy Friday! Stephanie here from Shopify. Thank you again for taking

>> the time out of your day to meet with me yesterday regarding the

>> Junior Support Advisor

>> 

>> position. I really enjoyed out chat :)

>> 

>> I wanted to reach out to get a little more information from you

>> regarding the types of tools/accommodations you would require to

>> assist with the role,

>> 

>> should we move forward with your application. You mentioned the use of

>> a screen reader that would assist with all text based info - would you

>> be able to

>> 

>> let me know which screen reader it is that you use so I can check in

>> with our team to ensure compatibility?

>> 

>> The JSA role does involve sending and receiving image files to/from

>> merchants. For example, we often use screenshots of merchant's online

>> shops to help

>> 

>> troubleshoot issues that they may be facing. There are also image

>> based problems that often come up often with merchants such as product

>> image quality,

>> 

>> placement, and size. Are images something that you would be

>> comfortable assisting with?

>> 

>> Any additional information would much appreciated as I can then pass

>> everything along to our Accessibility team.

>> 

>> Hope you have an awesome weekend Kerri and I look forward to hearing

>> back from you!

>> 

>> Talk soon,

>> 

>> Stephanie

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

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Re: Limit to number of messages in groups.io E-mail threads

Sarah k Alawami
 

No, I don't think they are limited. It is up to the mod to lock after a certain number of messages. I think in my case I have all of my threads on all lists I run set to unlimited, and they can get quite large. I'm ok with that as I just ignore the ones I don't want to read.

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On 24 Jan 2021, at 11:03, Louise Pfau wrote:

Hi.  I noticed there was a reference to the "Admin's notes" thread having more than 200 messages, but I didn't have that many in my E-mail client.  Does groups.io limit the number of messages in a thread when it is sent to third-party E-mail clients?  I know this isn't directly related to NVDA, but this is the first group where I've seen the phenomenon.

Thanks,

Louise

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