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Re: message announced by NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

In the User guide under object presentation settings: https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html#ObjectPresentationSettings

Report Object descriptions is described as:

"Uncheck this checkbox if you don't wish to have the description reported along with objects (i.e. search suggestions, reporting of whole dialog window right after the dialog opens, etc.)."

So my reading is that you are encountering exactly what the option says will happen if you disable it?

Perhaps the question then is more what do you want read differently when you have this option enabled / disabled?  And / or in this case, if you largely want it off, but want it on in one program, using a configuration profile might be the option here.

Quentin.

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 7:57 PM bering.p <bering.p@...> wrote:
Hi to all.
I am sharing with you an observation I made concerning the announcement of messages by NVDA and which may be the subject of a PR.

When the option "Report object descriptions" is disabled, NVDA does not speak the text in dialog boxes.
This is annoying when it comes to a message informing the user or questioning him.
For example:
- following a manual search for update request.
- when an add-on uses "gui.messageBox" to query the user.

In this case, it is necessary to read the contents of the dialog box using "NVDA + b".

I think that any message emitted by NVDA should be announced regardless of the state of activation of the option.
What do you think ?
And if you agree, please do the PR.

best regards.
Paul.



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Re: auto ducking

brice Mijares
 

Thanks for the tip. I'll check it out.

On 1/26/2021 11:33 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Go to the sound setting in your system tray, then check the communications tab and see if the do nothing radio button in that section is checked. If if it is not, check it and see if that helps a bit.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of brice Mijares
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] auto ducking

Thank you very much. I really don't know if this is my problem, but my new HP laptop Pro drops in volume at times.

Windows 10 Pro, 20H2 (64-bit) build 19042.746

On 1/26/2021 10:20 AM, Greg Wocher wrote:
Hello,
If you use the command NVDA plus shift plus D, it will cycle you thru the ducking options.

Greg Wocher


On Jan 26, 2021, at 1:07 PM, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there a setting in NVDA for auto ducking? if so, please explain where I can find this setting. Thank you.
















Re: auto ducking

Sarah k Alawami
 

Go to the sound setting in your system tray, then check the communications tab and see if the do nothing radio button in that section is checked. If if it is not, check it and see if that helps a bit.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of brice Mijares
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] auto ducking

Thank you very much. I really don't know if this is my problem, but my new HP laptop Pro drops in volume at times.

Windows 10 Pro, 20H2 (64-bit) build 19042.746

On 1/26/2021 10:20 AM, Greg Wocher wrote:
Hello,
If you use the command NVDA plus shift plus D, it will cycle you thru the ducking options.

Greg Wocher


On Jan 26, 2021, at 1:07 PM, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there a setting in NVDA for auto ducking? if so, please explain where I can find this setting. Thank you.









Re: auto ducking

Sarah k Alawami
 

OH, woops? The steps I gave were a bit loner, but it will still get you to
the same location of sorts. There are so many commands, it is almost
imposible to memmorise. Lol!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Wocher
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] auto ducking

Hello,
If you use the command NVDA plus shift plus D, it will cycle you thru the
ducking options.

Greg Wocher


On Jan 26, 2021, at 1:07 PM, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there a setting in NVDA for auto ducking? if so, please explain where I
can find this setting. Thank you.






Re: auto ducking

Sarah k Alawami
 

Try nvda control s. then tab to and choose the ducking feature. Next click ok. The section you are looking for is "auto ducking mode."

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of brice Mijares
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 10:07 AM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] auto ducking

Is there a setting in NVDA for auto ducking? if so, please explain where I can find this setting. Thank you.


Re: auto ducking

brice Mijares
 

Thank you very much. I really don't know if this is my problem, but my new HP laptop Pro drops in volume at times.

Windows 10 Pro, 20H2 (64-bit) build 19042.746

On 1/26/2021 10:20 AM, Greg Wocher wrote:
Hello,
If you use the command NVDA plus shift plus D, it will cycle you thru the ducking options.

Greg Wocher


On Jan 26, 2021, at 1:07 PM, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there a setting in NVDA for auto ducking? if so, please explain where I can find this setting. Thank you.








Re: auto ducking

Greg Wocher
 

Hello,
If you use the command NVDA plus shift plus D, it will cycle you thru the ducking options.

Greg Wocher

On Jan 26, 2021, at 1:07 PM, brice Mijares <bmijares33@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there a setting in NVDA for auto ducking? if so, please explain where I can find this setting. Thank you.






auto ducking

brice Mijares
 

Is there a setting in NVDA for auto ducking? if so, please explain where I can find this setting. Thank you.


Re: Accessible Video Editor

Sarah k Alawami
 

they might see gaps but what you need to do is nudge the video left or right a bit. use your ears even though it might not be a perfect merge it will still work. It will still render as one item when you do render so long as you choose track. Also don't mute e the audio or the video will turn black so I've been told. I forgot the kkey strokes but look in the actions dialogue. You would be best to ask all of this on the reaper list or the reaper discord.

Take care

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On 25 Jan 2021, at 14:16, Luke Robinett wrote:

Hi Sarah,
Any idea why gluing video clips in reaper results in the image blacking out and if there’s a way to avoid this while still being able to glue? Personally I like having things in one big chunk when possible rather than multiple separate pieces. If that isn’t possible, can you explain in a little more detail the technique you described of positioning clips such that there are no visual gaps in playback? For example, if I navigate to the end of one clip and then paste another one, can I be assured sighted folks won’t see any artifacts from this? Thanks!

On Jan 23, 2021, at 10:59 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:



glue is reaper's merge. It is a nondistructive glue. but just put the items on one track, move them as necessary, I blend mine together so that there is no audible gap then render as mp4. It's almost as if I'm splicing tape, Yes, i did say tape!

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Jan 2021, at 22:03, Debbie April Yuille wrote:

What do you mean by gluing the videos together? Can’t you merge them?

 

Debbie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2021 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Video Editor

 

No, I edit videos in reaper all the time. I can do it as quickly as I can a sound file. Just don't glue the items together, or the video will be black.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Jan 2021, at 11:37, Christian Ohrens wrote:

Hi,
I haven't used Reaper before so don't know much about this program, even it's for free or payed.
But what I read about was that Reaper's video editing function is rather slow, isn't it?

Greetings
Christian

 

Am 22.01.2021 20:22 schrieb Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>:

*bump*

I asked a similar question here a couple months ago and think it warrants further conversation. It seems an increasing number of us blind folks are interested in starting YouTube channels and doing other things with video video, so hopefully we learn about some good options.

I am also a home recording enthusiast and use a program called reaper to record and mix audio tracks. Reaper is fully accessible once you install a couple of free community created plug-ins. Reaper does provide the most basic of basic video editing. Pretty much just trimming, splitting, sliding things around on the timeline. No effects or transitions or anything else like that. If that’s all you need though, it’s 100% accessible and might be a good option.

 

On Jan 22, 2021, at 7:24 AM, Christian Ohrens <mail@...> wrote:



Hello,

 

Just want to refresh a thread of 2019 which I found in the group’s archive.

 

Are there any suggestions for accessible video editors?

Has anybody tried for example „vegas“ which is now developed by Magix Software? „Sound Forge“ is very accessible, maybe „Vegas“ would it be too?

Or the more professional programs like „Davinci“ or „Premiere“?

 

„Sound Forge“ is also able to edit video but I’m not quite sure if I would ‚destroy‘ the video itself when I’m gonna cut things off. If you want to edit the sound of the video it’s great.

 

Greets and thanks

Christian

 

 

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Re: Accessible Video Editor

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Hi Sarah,
Any idea why gluing video clips in reaper results in the image blacking out and if there’s a way to avoid this while still being able to glue? Personally I like having things in one big chunk when possible rather than multiple separate pieces. If that isn’t possible, can you explain in a little more detail the technique you described of positioning clips such that there are no visual gaps in playback? For example, if I navigate to the end of one clip and then paste another one, can I be assured sighted folks won’t see any artifacts from this? Thanks!

On Jan 23, 2021, at 10:59 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:



glue is reaper's merge. It is a nondistructive glue. but just put the items on one track, move them as necessary, I blend mine together so that there is no audible gap then render as mp4. It's almost as if I'm splicing tape, Yes, i did say tape!

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Jan 2021, at 22:03, Debbie April Yuille wrote:

What do you mean by gluing the videos together? Can’t you merge them?

 

Debbie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, 23 January 2021 7:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Video Editor

 

No, I edit videos in reaper all the time. I can do it as quickly as I can a sound file. Just don't glue the items together, or the video will be black.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 22 Jan 2021, at 11:37, Christian Ohrens wrote:

Hi,
I haven't used Reaper before so don't know much about this program, even it's for free or payed.
But what I read about was that Reaper's video editing function is rather slow, isn't it?

Greetings
Christian

 

Am 22.01.2021 20:22 schrieb Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>:

*bump*

I asked a similar question here a couple months ago and think it warrants further conversation. It seems an increasing number of us blind folks are interested in starting YouTube channels and doing other things with video video, so hopefully we learn about some good options.

I am also a home recording enthusiast and use a program called reaper to record and mix audio tracks. Reaper is fully accessible once you install a couple of free community created plug-ins. Reaper does provide the most basic of basic video editing. Pretty much just trimming, splitting, sliding things around on the timeline. No effects or transitions or anything else like that. If that’s all you need though, it’s 100% accessible and might be a good option.

 

On Jan 22, 2021, at 7:24 AM, Christian Ohrens <mail@...> wrote:



Hello,

 

Just want to refresh a thread of 2019 which I found in the group’s archive.

 

Are there any suggestions for accessible video editors?

Has anybody tried for example „vegas“ which is now developed by Magix Software? „Sound Forge“ is very accessible, maybe „Vegas“ would it be too?

Or the more professional programs like „Davinci“ or „Premiere“?

 

„Sound Forge“ is also able to edit video but I’m not quite sure if I would ‚destroy‘ the video itself when I’m gonna cut things off. If you want to edit the sound of the video it’s great.

 

Greets and thanks

Christian

 

 

---

 

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Freier Journalist, Videoblogger, DJ, Gästeführer

 

Am Stühm-Süd 23, 22175 Hamburg

+49 - (0) - 40 - 59 35 51 59 (Tel.)

+49 - (0) - 171 - 938 92 52 (Mob.)

E-Mail: mail@...

Web: https://christian-ohrens.de/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/CO1984--

 

 


Re: The Braille Bar model is not in the NVDA list

 

I'm allowing this message simply because there may be an add-on, probably home grown and unvetted, that will support what I have to believe is a Braille display named Braille Bar.  Passing along this information on the group is just fine, as is mention of any simple technique/setting in an out-of-support version of NVDA that might "magically unlock communication" with this display.

If there are to be deep dives into Windows 7 or ancient versions of NVDA, those need to occur off list.  Use the Reply to Sender link in the original message to correspond privately if needed.
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


The Braille Bar model is not in the NVDA list

marinos.poulimas
 

Hello, I greet all my friends, my name is Marino and I am from Greece. I am glad to be here. I need help from anyone who knows. I have Windows 7 service pack 1 32 bit. I run NVDA and I want to pass the braille bar. The braille bar model is not on the list. NVDA supported models in NVDA what can I do how can I synchronize the braille bar and NVDA the braille bar has no functional problems it is very well I want to synchronize how this can be done thank you for your time


Re: Navigating A Web Page

 

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 12:51 PM, Jonathan COHN wrote:
OK, I looked briefly at the site, and it appears that the site is not fully implementing the dialog in an accessible way.
-
I'd actually go beyond that, and say it's not implementing the dialog in conformance with current coding conventions (I can't use the word "standards" because there's not an enforcement body, but they are, for all practical intents and purposes, standards otherwise).

A screen reader can't enforce what it doesn't know about, and leaving out vital information, e.g., role=dialog, out makes that impossible.  Sloppy coding, ugh.
 
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Is NVDA good with Libre Office or Open Office?

Louis Maher
 

Another option would be to use Microsoft 365 for $99 a year for five licenses.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail ljmaher03@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of The Gamages via groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 10:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA good with Libre Office or Open Office?

 

Naybe not of the highest importance, but the font colour dialogue became inaccessible as newer versions were intorduced, for a while object navigation could be used, but even that failed in the end.

Perhaps an older version of Libre office would be more suitable  until this can be resolved, if it is important to useres.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 4:05 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA good with Libre Office or Open Office?

 

Another option is SoftMaker FreeOffice with the caveats that you must install it with its setup for a menu driven interface (rather than ribbons, which in its case are entirely inaccessible for some reason) and you may need sighted help during install to do that, though I believe someone may have given instructions on getting around the one dialog where you select this that was not accessible "on the surface."  I'd have to search the archive.

I can't speak to anything about charts and graphs, though, as I never test for that sort of advanced feature when I'm doing "quick and dirty" accessibility testing.
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Navigating A Web Page

Jonathan COHN
 

OK, I looked briefly at the site, and it appears that the site is not fully implementing the dialog in an accessible way.
First, when using a dialog like this, one should break the lock focus rule and only allow tab to move you within the buttons in the dialog, since other buttons and links are not active. Also, the region of the web page that is a dialog, should be labeled with “role=dialog”. Which can tell the browse cursor to stay in the dialog. I am not sure how NVDA handles this, but I expect it at least tells you that you have left a dialog.
I also noticed that I was not getting descriptions for graphics, I am on a new machine, so It is possible that my graphics verbosity is not configured correctly to ignore images with a null alt attribute, but I certainly seemed to encounter a few unlabeled graphics on the site.
Jonathan Cohn


Re: Is NVDA good with Libre Office or Open Office?

The Gamages
 

Naybe not of the highest importance, but the font colour dialogue became inaccessible as newer versions were intorduced, for a while object navigation could be used, but even that failed in the end.
Perhaps an older version of Libre office would be more suitable  until this can be resolved, if it is important to useres.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 

Sent: Monday, January 25, 2021 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA good with Libre Office or Open Office?
 
Another option is SoftMaker FreeOffice with the caveats that you must install it with its setup for a menu driven interface (rather than ribbons, which in its case are entirely inaccessible for some reason) and you may need sighted help during install to do that, though I believe someone may have given instructions on getting around the one dialog where you select this that was not accessible "on the surface."  I'd have to search the archive.

I can't speak to anything about charts and graphs, though, as I never test for that sort of advanced feature when I'm doing "quick and dirty" accessibility testing.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Is NVDA good with Libre Office or Open Office?

 

Another option is SoftMaker FreeOffice with the caveats that you must install it with its setup for a menu driven interface (rather than ribbons, which in its case are entirely inaccessible for some reason) and you may need sighted help during install to do that, though I believe someone may have given instructions on getting around the one dialog where you select this that was not accessible "on the surface."  I'd have to search the archive.

I can't speak to anything about charts and graphs, though, as I never test for that sort of advanced feature when I'm doing "quick and dirty" accessibility testing.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Creating an Issue in GitHub for NVDA

 

In addition to the original step-by-step tutorial:  Creating an Issue in GitHub for NVDA
an additional one has been created (and is also linked to in the above noted tutorial), Collecting NVDA Debugging Information to Report to NVAccess, for those who may find themselves asked to get debug level log information in order to assist in solving an issue they're having.

Both download in MS-Word docx file format.
 
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Is NVDA good with Libre Office or Open Office?

Josh Kennedy
 

libreoffice but with libre office you can't read charts and graphs and do some of the things you can do with Microsoft office.  it is OK, but NVDA is best with Microsoft office. You can subscribe to Microsoft office for $70 a year. Office 365.


Re: Limit to number of messages in groups.io E-mail threads

Bob Cavanaugh
 

Yes, all that is true, but I noticed that even with some messages with
the same subject line threading doesn't always work the way I would
expect it to. I think this happens most often when someone does not
reply to the most recent message, but an older one. Another recent
example is my Bluetooth thread from a month or so ago, which got split
in two by Gmail.

On 1/24/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 02:52 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:


I had several versions of it in my inbox. I don't know why it wasn't
muerged into one big thread, but it wasn't.
-
It was, in the archive, but that's the only place that a topic that's been
split, whether accidentally or intentionally, can be merged back together.

All it takes is the person sending a reply making a single character change
in the subject of the message, or correcting a spelling or capitalization,
or similar, for a single topic to be split into two as far as e-mail clients
are concerned.  And those who reply to the original topic will show up on
that topic, and those who reply to any message in a revised subject topic
will end up on that one.

There is no way for any list administrator to fix that, as e-mail threading
itself is what causes that split.

That is why I have, on multiple groups, asked people to avoid changing
subject lines.  And on those occasions where I need to re-title a topic so
that future archive searchers are likely to find it, I always send out a
message with the revised title and ask all who wish to respond from that
point forward to use that message, or one that is a direct response to it,
as the thing to reply to, not the original.

I spend a lot of time merging topics split by members, whether by intent or
by accident.  But I can only make them come together again in the archive,
not in email clients.  And if a member takes a topic that you've muted or
unfollowed, and changes the subject line, it will appear again because it is
considered a new topic, both by e-mail clients and groups.io.
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can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

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