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locked Re: The management of groups.io is accessible with NVDA?

Mike Capelle <mcap@...>
 

All of these are manageable wit nvda s.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tere Codina
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 9:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The management of groups.io is accessible with NVDA?

 

Hi all,

 

 

I just created a mailing list in groups.io and I need to know if the management of it is accessible with NVDA.

 

For example, I can't upload the file containing the new subscribers list, maybe the file has to have some special format?

Nor can I subscribe the addresses to the list, putting the addresses, each one on one line.

 

Another task that seems difficult, changing the configuration of who can subscribe to the list. I want the subscription to have to be approved by the moderator, but I can't change this feature.

If you tell me that these tasks are not accessible, I will look for another mailing list provider, but I need you to confirm if it is true that these tasks cannot be done with NVDA.

 

Thank you in advance.

 

Teresa

 


locked The management of groups.io is accessible with NVDA?

Tere Codina
 

Hi all,

 

 

I just created a mailing list in groups.io and I need to know if the management of it is accessible with NVDA.

 

For example, I can't upload the file containing the new subscribers list, maybe the file has to have some special format?

Nor can I subscribe the addresses to the list, putting the addresses, each one on one line.

 

Another task that seems difficult, changing the configuration of who can subscribe to the list. I want the subscription to have to be approved by the moderator, but I can't change this feature.

If you tell me that these tasks are not accessible, I will look for another mailing list provider, but I need you to confirm if it is true that these tasks cannot be done with NVDA.

 

Thank you in advance.

 

Teresa

 


NVDA & Thunderbird

Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>
 

Good evening

Where in NVDA's menus do I find verbosity settings for Thunderbird?

I also want to turn off NVDA announcing when a new message arrives while reading a message.

I spent a long time within NVDA's menus but can't find what I'm looking for.


Hettie



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Re: Long-standing Basic Edge/NVDA Issue

Gene
 

Do the following if you are using the newer Chrome-based version. I can't discuss the old version. I didn't use it.

Hold alt and type f to open the menu.
Up arrow to help and feedback and press enter.
You are now in a submenu.
Down arrow to about and press enter.
A web page will open. Down arrow to the version number.
Below the version number you will see information such as that this browser is made possible by the Chromium open source project and that is one way you will know that you have the new version.

I don't know why you have the problem you have. Try a different screen-reader. Once you maximize the program, it should stay maximized and you shouldn't have to keep checking.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Janet Brandly
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 11:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Long-standing Basic Edge/NVDA Issue



Hi Gene,



NVDA dies when I go into the menu to maximize a page and exit with escape. To be honest, I’m not sure which version of Edge I’m using. How would I find that out?



Thanks,



Janet





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: January 27, 2021 7:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Long-standing Basic Edge/NVDA Issue





Hi



Which edge are you using is it the old one or the new one? If it is the old one I would replace it with the new one from Microsoft.



Just tried bringing up the menu to maximize etc there is no problems on any of the tabs I try it on.



usually when you bring up the menu you mentioned you locate the one you want then press the enter key on it. So then is it when you press the escape key to close that menu then edge dies?



I thought when I first looked it was more to do with closing tabs. I did bring up that menu you mentioned did not pick one then chose close then the program shut as in edge.



Gene nz





On 28/01/2021 1:51 pm, Janet Brandly wrote:



Hello all,



I am using Windows 10 with the last stable version of NVDA, and I have been having the following issue for several months now. When on a web page, if I want to confirm that it is maximized with “alt+space”, and close the system menu with “escape”, NVDA won’t read the page. I know that it has crashed because it won’t read either when I return to the desk top. NVDA will crash even if I only have 1 Edge window open. Any suggestions?



Thanks,



Janet


Re: Long-standing Basic Edge/NVDA Issue

Sarah k Alawami
 

If you hit alt f and do not get the menu, you are using the old edge. If you do get the menu, you are using the new edge.

 

Hope that helps a bit.

 

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFfP. We are also on lbry as well.

 

Stay in touch with us via our discord. This is an easier way to both contact us, and get to know your fellow listeners.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet Brandly
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Long-standing Basic Edge/NVDA Issue

 

Hi Gene,

 

NVDA dies when I go into the menu to maximize a page and exit with escape. To be honest, I’m not sure which version of Edge I’m using. How would I find that out?

 

Thanks,

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: January 27, 2021 7:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Long-standing Basic Edge/NVDA Issue

 

Hi

 

Which edge are you using is it the old one or the new one? If it is the old one I would replace it with the new one from Microsoft.

 

Just tried bringing up the menu to maximize etc there is no problems on any of the tabs I try it on.

 

usually when you bring up the menu you mentioned you locate the one you want then press the enter key on it. So then is it when you press the escape key to close that menu then edge dies?

 

I thought when I first looked it was more to do with closing tabs. I did bring up that menu you mentioned did not pick one then chose close then the program shut as in edge.

 

Gene nz

 

On 28/01/2021 1:51 pm, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hello all,

 

I am using Windows 10 with the last stable version of NVDA, and I have been having the following issue for several months now. When on a web page, if I want to confirm that it is maximized with “alt+space”, and close the system menu with “escape”, NVDA won’t read the page. I know that it has crashed because it won’t read either when I return to the desk top. NVDA will crash even if I only have 1 Edge window open. Any suggestions?

 

Thanks,

 

Janet


Re: Long-standing Basic Edge/NVDA Issue

Janet Brandly
 

Hi Gene,

 

NVDA dies when I go into the menu to maximize a page and exit with escape. To be honest, I’m not sure which version of Edge I’m using. How would I find that out?

 

Thanks,

 

Janet

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of hurrikennyandopo ...
Sent: January 27, 2021 7:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Long-standing Basic Edge/NVDA Issue

 

Hi

 

Which edge are you using is it the old one or the new one? If it is the old one I would replace it with the new one from Microsoft.

 

Just tried bringing up the menu to maximize etc there is no problems on any of the tabs I try it on.

 

usually when you bring up the menu you mentioned you locate the one you want then press the enter key on it. So then is it when you press the escape key to close that menu then edge dies?

 

I thought when I first looked it was more to do with closing tabs. I did bring up that menu you mentioned did not pick one then chose close then the program shut as in edge.

 

Gene nz

 

On 28/01/2021 1:51 pm, Janet Brandly wrote:

Hello all,

 

I am using Windows 10 with the last stable version of NVDA, and I have been having the following issue for several months now. When on a web page, if I want to confirm that it is maximized with “alt+space”, and close the system menu with “escape”, NVDA won’t read the page. I know that it has crashed because it won’t read either when I return to the desk top. NVDA will crash even if I only have 1 Edge window open. Any suggestions?

 

Thanks,

 

Janet


Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

Cristina Ebetiuc <ebetiucristina@...>
 

Good afternoon everybody!
I have got some issues with NVDA in relation with Formulars in word.

  1. NVDA doesn’t Show the old Formulars from the developer Tools. I t Looks like they have iven not been incerted.
  2. NVDA Shows the new Formulars from the developer Tools but does not read the names. I have called a chekbox yes, but NVDA does not Show the Name. Nothing does not work nor in read mode neither in Focus mode. Can you helpp me further?

I am Looking foreward to receiving your feetback!

greetings

 

Gesendet von Mail für Windows 10

 


Re: SECURITY FEATURES

 

Hi,

To add to our (NVDA contributors’) commitment to privacy (as asked earlier), part of the reason for including “no logging” option is to prevent logging potentially sensitive information, and I and many others have specifically advised the NvDA community to send debug logs privately to developers (debug log includes input and output information, and once I interpret the log, I destroy it immediately).

Another point to consider: I think the more important issue is security of add-ons, as add-ons are employed in specific contexts for various things (employment included). That’s why the add-ons community is serious about add-on security, and that we require that add-ons avoid insecure practices such as modifying files outside of specific folders without permission in order to get accepted into community add-ons website distribution (I sometimes use open-source tools such as Mypy and Flake8 to look for subtle bugs, including security bugs).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 6:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] SECURITY FEATURES

 

The myth, and it is a myth, that proprietary (closed-source) software is somehow "safer" has been disproven by many security experts.  There is a complete misunderstanding of what open-source even means.  Open-source software is available for anyone to view the source code, which makes it less susceptible to "sneaking something in" than closed-source software is (though I'll admit that virtually all proprietary software makers have good code security practices, as do any major open-source shops).  You cannot view proprietary source code, so you have no way of knowing what's actually in there.  The recent hack of Solar Winds was an excellent example that proprietary software, and ubiquitous proprietary software, can be hacked,

Open-source also does not mean that anyone on the street can literally waltz in and start editing the code for a project and have those changes send out into the world by that project.  The code used by NVDA, for instance, is managed using GitHub (which is now owned by Microsoft, but started out life as an open-source project itself), and goes through the same sort of rigorous tracking of what individual developers are pulling code, updating it, returning it for testing and, ultimately, distribution, as any commercially available software does.  The sad thing is that even many IT professionals do not realize that much of the software that they actually use is open-source software, and Microsoft includes quite a bit of open-source content in Windows.  From the Wikipedia page on GitHub:  From 2012 Microsoft became a significant user of GitHub, using it to host open-source projects and development tools such as .NET CoreChakra CoreMSBuildPowerShellPowerToysVisual Studio CodeWindows CalculatorWindows Terminal and the bulk of its product documentation (now to be found on Microsoft Docs).[31][32]

I also find your second initial question ironic.  That's not a jab at you, but at the widely held misconception that proprietary software, which one cannot examine the source code for or have your own security people analyze it if you were to so choose, is better at guaranteeing privacy/security than open-source software is.  You can't see or know what proprietary software is doing, therefore it's inherently less secure.  It depends entirely on trust and the desire of its maker to keep its reputation and market position (presuming we're talking a product like JAWS, which is very well established).  When competitors such as NVDA (and, now, Narrator) do appear on the scene they would have zero chance of making inroads if they were cavalier about exposing private data to the world.  Those who want to can actually examine the code for NVDA to see how it works.  The same cannot be said for proprietary software.
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA Beta 4 error tone when opening outlook

 

Hi,

As Brian noted, send me log fragments privately in order to not clutter the list.

In this case, the error has to do with inability for remote NVDA helper’s Outlook module to communicate with Outlook properly, so it is not really something to do with NVDA entirely, thus you can ignore this error.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 12:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Beta 4 error tone when opening outlook

 

Hi Joseph,

 

OK, I just opened NVDA, then opened Outlook, got the error tone, and here’s the output from the log:-

 

INFO - __main__ (08:53:59.059) - MainThread (9824):

Starting NVDA version 2020.4beta4

INFO - core.main (08:53:59.832) - MainThread (9824):

Config dir: C:\Users\steve\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (08:53:59.832) - MainThread (9824):

Loading config: C:\Users\steve\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (08:53:59.931) - MainThread (9824):

Using Windows version 10.0.19042 workstation

INFO - core.main (08:53:59.931) - MainThread (9824):

Using Python version 3.7.9 (tags/v3.7.9:13c94747c7, Aug 17 2020, 18:01:55) [MSC v.1900 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (08:53:59.931) - MainThread (9824):

Using comtypes version 1.1.7

INFO - core.main (08:53:59.931) - MainThread (9824):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (08:54:00.389) - MainThread (9824):

Loaded synthDriver vocalizer

INFO - core.main (08:54:00.389) - MainThread (9824):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 with six version 1.12.0

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (08:54:00.392) - MainThread (9824):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (08:54:00.392) - MainThread (9824):

Using liblouis version 3.16.1

INFO - braille.initialize (08:54:00.396) - MainThread (9824):

Using pySerial version 3.4

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (08:54:00.402) - MainThread (9824):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - core.main (08:54:00.586) - MainThread (9824):

Java Access Bridge support initialized

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (08:54:00.601) - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (17252):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

INFO - core.main (08:54:00.814) - MainThread (9824):

NVDA initialized

ERROR - RPC process 19132 (nvda_slave.exe) (08:54:13.582) - Dummy-5 (8232):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 117, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1245, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 935, in GetResult

OSError: [WinError -2147221021] Operation unavailable

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (08:54:18.910) - MainThread (9824):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: 'From Computer Room Services, Subject Your Computer Room Services Collection, Received Fri 29/01/2021 08:51, Size 14 KB,'

role: ROLE_LISTITEM

roleText: None

states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_FOCUSED, STATE_READONLY, STATE_SELECTED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow object at 0x05DE4CF0>

Python class mro: (<class 'appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithFakeNavigation'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <class 'garbageHandler.TrackedObject'>, <class 'object'>)

description: ''

location: RectLTWH(left=259, top=200, width=1182, height=24)

value: None

appModule: <'outlook' (appName 'outlook', process ID 14396) at address 748d790>

appModule.productName: 'Microsoft Outlook'

appModule.productVersion: '16.0.13530.20440'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 77859248

windowClassName: 'OutlookGrid'

windowControlID: 4704

windowStyle: 1442840576

extendedWindowStyle: 0

windowThreadID: 15116

windowText: 'Table View'

displayText: ''

UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x7b8c978 at 7482530>

UIA automationID:

UIA frameworkID:

UIA runtimeID: (42, 77859248, 4, -314)

UIA providerDescription: [pid:14396,providerId:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:OUTLOOK.EXE)]

UIA className: LeafRow

UIA patterns available: GridItemPattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, InvokePattern, ValuePattern, LegacyIAccessiblePattern

 

I hope this helps.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 28 January 2021 18:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Beta 4 error tone when opening outlook

 

Hi all,

I can’t speak to NV Access, but personally whenever you hear an error tone from NvDA (alpha and beta snapshots), I advise opening log viewer (NVDA+F1) and look at lines above developer info statement as it will record the error and traceback information so we (developers) can diagnose the problem. This is more so if you hear error tones constantly (from anywhere).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 10:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Beta 4 error tone when opening outlook

 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 01:07 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:

When using the beta this sound is normal.

-
Yes and no.  I agree with you, from a practical standpoint, that this tone generally doesn't indicate that anything's wrong that the end user would be concerned about unless there were an obvious bad behavior.  That being said, even in the beta it does indicate that an error condition of some sort has been encountered, and if your logging level happens to be set to debug you can look at the NVDA log to see what, exactly, it is that was not liked.
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA Beta 4 error tone when opening outlook

 

Steve,

           For future reference, the posting of full NVDA logs or log segments on-group is strongly discouraged, because so very few are able to interpret these at all.  If an individual developer such as Joseph Lee or Quentin Christensen happen to request a log or log segment, please send that to them privately.  You can do that using the Reply to Sender link at the end of a message that the person you want to communicate with privately has sent to the group.
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 12:42 AM, Louise Pfau wrote:
I haven't subscribed to the chat subgroup, because I get a lot of E-mail from the various groups I'm on.
-
This is not an encouragement (though I would encourage it) for you to join the Chat Subgroup, but for you to learn and use the tools that Groups.io gives you to control the traffic you actually get in your inbox for any/all of the groups you're subscribed to.

Groups.io allows the end user an exquisite level of control over what they do and do not receive as a subscriber to any group.  I wrote this tutorial so that people would have an easy reference guide as to how to control what they get:  Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx)

As Gene has noted, you can use the nomail option for any group and get nothing in your inbox, but can still check out that group on the Groups.io web interface.  You can also set up topic preview (detailed in the tutorial) where you get the first message in any new topic, but unless you choose to follow it, you will not receive any additional messages for that topic.  This can and does cut down on incoming traffic from a group immensely. 
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: SECURITY FEATURES

 

The myth, and it is a myth, that proprietary (closed-source) software is somehow "safer" has been disproven by many security experts.  There is a complete misunderstanding of what open-source even means.  Open-source software is available for anyone to view the source code, which makes it less susceptible to "sneaking something in" than closed-source software is (though I'll admit that virtually all proprietary software makers have good code security practices, as do any major open-source shops).  You cannot view proprietary source code, so you have no way of knowing what's actually in there.  The recent hack of Solar Winds was an excellent example that proprietary software, and ubiquitous proprietary software, can be hacked,

Open-source also does not mean that anyone on the street can literally waltz in and start editing the code for a project and have those changes send out into the world by that project.  The code used by NVDA, for instance, is managed using GitHub (which is now owned by Microsoft, but started out life as an open-source project itself), and goes through the same sort of rigorous tracking of what individual developers are pulling code, updating it, returning it for testing and, ultimately, distribution, as any commercially available software does.  The sad thing is that even many IT professionals do not realize that much of the software that they actually use is open-source software, and Microsoft includes quite a bit of open-source content in Windows.  From the Wikipedia page on GitHub:  From 2012 Microsoft became a significant user of GitHub, using it to host open-source projects and development tools such as .NET CoreChakra CoreMSBuildPowerShellPowerToysVisual Studio CodeWindows CalculatorWindows Terminal and the bulk of its product documentation (now to be found on Microsoft Docs).[31][32]

I also find your second initial question ironic.  That's not a jab at you, but at the widely held misconception that proprietary software, which one cannot examine the source code for or have your own security people analyze it if you were to so choose, is better at guaranteeing privacy/security than open-source software is.  You can't see or know what proprietary software is doing, therefore it's inherently less secure.  It depends entirely on trust and the desire of its maker to keep its reputation and market position (presuming we're talking a product like JAWS, which is very well established).  When competitors such as NVDA (and, now, Narrator) do appear on the scene they would have zero chance of making inroads if they were cavalier about exposing private data to the world.  Those who want to can actually examine the code for NVDA to see how it works.  The same cannot be said for proprietary software.
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Gene
 

The chat list has some discussion but it isn't a lot of mail. Also, you can go nomail on the chat list and switch to receiving mail when you pose a question.

It may be that your settings indicate that Edge is the default browser, but something is wrong and it actually isn't. Try making another browser the default, then making Edge the default again. In situations where the default setting was lost, or never was properly made, doing this often corrects the situation.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Louise Pfau
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 11:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Hi. I checked settings, and Edge is my default browser. I could navigate to the address bar in Windows Explorer, but it wasn't read as an editable control. I opened the NVDA user guide from the "Help" menu, "Start" menu, and the documentation folder in "Program Files" as described. I just tried to open a different web-based manual from the one that I mentioned in the original post, and it also opened in another browser. It doesn't look like this is unique to the NVDA user guide, as I first thought. I haven't subscribed to the chat subgroup, because I get a lot of E-mail from the various groups I'm on.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Your default browser will be launched for http and https type links but I suspect the User Guide consists of a bunch of html files, so you have to check the Apps settings and you will probably find Edge is assigned to html.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Chris via groups.io
Sent: 28 January 2021 23:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

I would check to see if edge is still your default browser, things can change without you realizing

 

Thats the only thing it could be

 

From: Louise Pfau
Sent: 28 January 2021 22:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

Hi.  I opened the NVDA User Guide to reference something, and I noticed that it didn't open in Microsoft Edge, which is set as my default browser.  Is the specific shortcut to the User Guide set to open in another browser?  I tried to open another web-based manual for comparison, and it opened in Edge.

Thanks,

Louise

 

 


SECURITY FEATURES

heaven.lists92@...
 

Dear List

 

Could one of the developers please contact me regarding the following queries:

 

  1. JAWS fanatics often reference the fact that JAWS has a closed source, paid licence, as the main reason for its increased security, especially in the workplace.  As NVDA is open source, many companies are scared to use it, since they are afraid of the security risks involved with opensource licences.  How do NVDA developers make sure that the source code for NVDA is secured so that hackers cannot attach trojans or viruses, etc to it.
  2. How do the developers make sure that information, such as personally identifiable information used in call centres and health institutions, is not at risk when using NVDA?

The reasons why I am asking these questions are as follows:

 

  1. I love using NVDA on my home computer and would really encourage anyone to use it with all the features it offers without a yearly over-priced subscription.
  2. I need to recommend screen reading software to some companies in South Africa who are scared of the risks involved in installing open source software.
  3. NVDA has so many more languages that it supports with braille and speech, while JAWS is quite limited. Furthermore, NVDA is simpler to use than JAWS and I would love to see it being implemented in more companies since it is free and legal, preventing companies from resorting to illegal software.

Thank you for your help

 

Heaven


Re: NVDA Beta 4 error tone when opening outlook

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Joseph,

 

OK, I just opened NVDA, then opened Outlook, got the error tone, and here’s the output from the log:-

 

INFO - __main__ (08:53:59.059) - MainThread (9824):

Starting NVDA version 2020.4beta4

INFO - core.main (08:53:59.832) - MainThread (9824):

Config dir: C:\Users\steve\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (08:53:59.832) - MainThread (9824):

Loading config: C:\Users\steve\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (08:53:59.931) - MainThread (9824):

Using Windows version 10.0.19042 workstation

INFO - core.main (08:53:59.931) - MainThread (9824):

Using Python version 3.7.9 (tags/v3.7.9:13c94747c7, Aug 17 2020, 18:01:55) [MSC v.1900 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (08:53:59.931) - MainThread (9824):

Using comtypes version 1.1.7

INFO - core.main (08:53:59.931) - MainThread (9824):

Using configobj version 5.1.0 with validate version 1.0.1

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (08:54:00.389) - MainThread (9824):

Loaded synthDriver vocalizer

INFO - core.main (08:54:00.389) - MainThread (9824):

Using wx version 4.0.3 msw (phoenix) wxWidgets 3.0.5 with six version 1.12.0

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (08:54:00.392) - MainThread (9824):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (08:54:00.392) - MainThread (9824):

Using liblouis version 3.16.1

INFO - braille.initialize (08:54:00.396) - MainThread (9824):

Using pySerial version 3.4

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (08:54:00.402) - MainThread (9824):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - core.main (08:54:00.586) - MainThread (9824):

Java Access Bridge support initialized

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (08:54:00.601) - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThread (17252):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation6

INFO - core.main (08:54:00.814) - MainThread (9824):

NVDA initialized

ERROR - RPC process 19132 (nvda_slave.exe) (08:54:13.582) - Dummy-5 (8232):

__main__.main:

slave error

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "nvda_slave.pyw", line 117, in main

  File "comHelper.pyc", line 22, in _lresultFromGetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\client\__init__.pyc", line 180, in GetActiveObject

  File "comtypes\__init__.pyc", line 1245, in GetActiveObject

  File "_ctypes/callproc.c", line 935, in GetResult

OSError: [WinError -2147221021] Operation unavailable

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (08:54:18.910) - MainThread (9824):

Developer info for navigator object:

name: 'From Computer Room Services, Subject Your Computer Room Services Collection, Received Fri 29/01/2021 08:51, Size 14 KB,'

role: ROLE_LISTITEM

roleText: None

states: STATE_FOCUSABLE, STATE_SELECTABLE, STATE_FOCUSED, STATE_READONLY, STATE_SELECTED

isFocusable: True

hasFocus: True

Python object: <appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow object at 0x05DE4CF0>

Python class mro: (<class 'appModules.outlook.UIAGridRow'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.behaviors.RowWithFakeNavigation'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.UIA.UIA'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.window.Window'>, <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObject'>, <class 'documentBase.TextContainerObject'>, <class 'baseObject.ScriptableObject'>, <class 'baseObject.AutoPropertyObject'>, <class 'garbageHandler.TrackedObject'>, <class 'object'>)

description: ''

location: RectLTWH(left=259, top=200, width=1182, height=24)

value: None

appModule: <'outlook' (appName 'outlook', process ID 14396) at address 748d790>

appModule.productName: 'Microsoft Outlook'

appModule.productVersion: '16.0.13530.20440'

TextInfo: <class 'NVDAObjects.NVDAObjectTextInfo'>

windowHandle: 77859248

windowClassName: 'OutlookGrid'

windowControlID: 4704

windowStyle: 1442840576

extendedWindowStyle: 0

windowThreadID: 15116

windowText: 'Table View'

displayText: ''

UIAElement: <POINTER(IUIAutomationElement) ptr=0x7b8c978 at 7482530>

UIA automationID:

UIA frameworkID:

UIA runtimeID: (42, 77859248, 4, -314)

UIA providerDescription: [pid:14396,providerId:0x0 Main(parent link):Unidentified Provider (unmanaged:OUTLOOK.EXE)]

UIA className: LeafRow

UIA patterns available: GridItemPattern, ScrollItemPattern, SelectionItemPattern, InvokePattern, ValuePattern, LegacyIAccessiblePattern

 

I hope this helps.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 28 January 2021 18:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Beta 4 error tone when opening outlook

 

Hi all,

I can’t speak to NV Access, but personally whenever you hear an error tone from NvDA (alpha and beta snapshots), I advise opening log viewer (NVDA+F1) and look at lines above developer info statement as it will record the error and traceback information so we (developers) can diagnose the problem. This is more so if you hear error tones constantly (from anywhere).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 10:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Beta 4 error tone when opening outlook

 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 01:07 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:

When using the beta this sound is normal.

-
Yes and no.  I agree with you, from a practical standpoint, that this tone generally doesn't indicate that anything's wrong that the end user would be concerned about unless there were an obvious bad behavior.  That being said, even in the beta it does indicate that an error condition of some sort has been encountered, and if your logging level happens to be set to debug you can look at the NVDA log to see what, exactly, it is that was not liked.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA Beta 4 error tone when opening outlook

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Brian,

 

I will get the error and post it.  If I recall, it’s an operating system error.

 

I’m not sure it should be ignored.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 28 January 2021 18:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Beta 4 error tone when opening outlook

 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 01:07 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:

When using the beta this sound is normal.

-
Yes and no.  I agree with you, from a practical standpoint, that this tone generally doesn't indicate that anything's wrong that the end user would be concerned about unless there were an obvious bad behavior.  That being said, even in the beta it does indicate that an error condition of some sort has been encountered, and if your logging level happens to be set to debug you can look at the NVDA log to see what, exactly, it is that was not liked.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I checked settings, and Edge is my default browser.  I could navigate to the address bar in Windows Explorer, but it wasn't read as an editable control.  I opened the NVDA user guide from the "Help" menu, "Start" menu, and the documentation folder in "Program Files" as described.  I just tried to open a different web-based manual from the one that I mentioned in the original post, and it also opened in another browser.  It doesn't look like this is unique to the NVDA user guide, as I first thought.  I haven't subscribed to the chat subgroup, because I get a lot of E-mail from the various groups I'm on.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Quentin Christensen
 

NVDA doesn't specify a browser to use, it launches the web page which opens in whatever your default browser for .html files is.  To check, you can launch the file manually.  Either:
- open the user guide from the help menu, select the address bar, paste into the address bar of File Explorer and press ENTER.
- Or if you have NVDA installed, go to: C:\Program Files (x86)\NVDA\documentation\en and press ENTER on any of the files.

You can check your default browser, by pressing the WINDOWS key, type "default apps" and press ENTER, then tab to "Web browser" .  if it's set to something other than what you want, press ENTER and select the desired browser from the list.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 10:10 AM Chris via groups.io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

I would check to see if edge is still your default browser, things can change without you realizing

 

Thats the only thing it could be

 

From: Louise Pfau
Sent: 28 January 2021 22:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

Hi.  I opened the NVDA User Guide to reference something, and I noticed that it didn't open in Microsoft Edge, which is set as my default browser.  Is the specific shortcut to the User Guide set to open in another browser?  I tried to open another web-based manual for comparison, and it opened in Edge.

Thanks,

Louise

 



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Re: NVDA Beta 4 error tone when opening outlook

Quentin Christensen
 

Alpha and Beta builds play an error sound whenever an error is written to the log.  RC and stable builds will record exactly the same errors, but don't play a sound.  There are a number of situations where NVDA might record an error, however it then tries something else which works, and so most end users wouldn't notice anything amiss.

If you can reliably reproduce an error in that situation, as Joseph noted, you can find the exact errors in the log, do test if you can reproduce with add-ons disabled, and if so, it's still worth creating an issue on GitHub for: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues 

We'll prioritise issues which have an adverse reaction for users of course, but fixing such an error might still result in a smoother experience.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 5:19 AM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi all,

I can’t speak to NV Access, but personally whenever you hear an error tone from NvDA (alpha and beta snapshots), I advise opening log viewer (NVDA+F1) and look at lines above developer info statement as it will record the error and traceback information so we (developers) can diagnose the problem. This is more so if you hear error tones constantly (from anywhere).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2021 10:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Beta 4 error tone when opening outlook

 

On Thu, Jan 28, 2021 at 01:07 PM, Gary Metzler wrote:

When using the beta this sound is normal.

-
Yes and no.  I agree with you, from a practical standpoint, that this tone generally doesn't indicate that anything's wrong that the end user would be concerned about unless there were an obvious bad behavior.  That being said, even in the beta it does indicate that an error condition of some sort has been encountered, and if your logging level happens to be set to debug you can look at the NVDA log to see what, exactly, it is that was not liked.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 



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Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

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