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Re: Long-standing Basic Edge/NVDA Issue

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Janet,

 

Is this on your work machine by any chance?

 

Pranav


Re: Slightly OT: mail from this list really piling up. Any strategies?

Blaster
 

Luke, I created a new folder named "NVDA" in G-mail then created a
filter to place all e-mail messages from the NVDA list into that
folder. It really helps to keep the inbox more manageable.

HTH,
Blaster

On 1/29/21, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi


Which email client are you using?


In thunder bird I have it setup so it downloads emails from G mail to
thunderbird then it is a lot nicer to use delete out either one or many
emails from it.


I do have directions up on my thunder bird page on my website on how to
do it and what you have to do. There is a part where it is a little
tricky where you have to allow g mail emails to come to thunder bird I
can not remember if that part was spoken out or not.

The link to this page is
http://accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html

<http://accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html>

When you get there jump to the section that says about g mail.


Gene nz


On 30/01/2021 12:40 pm, Luke Robinett wrote:

Of all the lists I sub to, I get the most from this one and it really
piles up quickly in the gmail account I’m using for it. It didn’t
appear gmail offers any way to automatically delete old messages. How
are folks managing the large volume of messages received from this and
other lists? Again, I know this isn’t specifically NVDA related but it
is related to my ability to easily use this NVDA list, so there’s some
relation, I suppose. J Thanks friends.






Re: Slightly OT: mail from this list really piling up. Any strategies?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Which email client are you using?


In thunder bird I have it setup so it downloads emails from G mail to thunderbird then it is a lot nicer to use delete out either one or many emails from it.


I do have directions up on my thunder bird page on my website on how to do it and what you have to do. There is a part where it is a little tricky where you have to allow  g mail emails to come to thunder bird I can not remember if that part was spoken out or not.

The link to this page is http://accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html

When you get there jump to the section that says about g mail.


Gene nz


On 30/01/2021 12:40 pm, Luke Robinett wrote:

Of all the lists I sub to, I get the most from this one and it really piles up quickly in the gmail account I’m using for it. It didn’t appear gmail offers any way to automatically delete old messages. How are folks managing the large volume of messages received from this and other lists? Again, I know this isn’t specifically NVDA related but it is related to my ability to easily use this NVDA list, so there’s some relation, I suppose. J Thanks friends.

 


Re: Slightly OT: mail from this list really piling up. Any strategies?

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Hi Brian,
Thank you for all the useful tips. I mostly access my Gmail accounts using Outlook on my desktop or the iPhone mail app. I’ve found the Gmail website challenging to navigate but that’s probably just due to a lack of practice. I will poke around on there this weekend. I appreciate it.

On Jan 29, 2021, at 3:45 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Luke,

        From the Groups.io end:  Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx).  You can stop a lot of stuff from even showing up using the tools Groups.io gives you.  If you were willing to use the web interface, you could go nomail on any group or groups you choose.

         Do you use the web interface for Gmail?  There are ways to select specific messages with search terms and date ranges.
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Re: inconsistant table navigation in a webpage

Sarah k Alawami
 

Sorry to be a bug bare, but can someone please translate this? I don’t know how to read the language written here.

 

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFfP. We are also on lbry as well.

 

Stay in touch with us via our discord. This is an easier way to both contact us, and get to know your fellow listeners.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Alexandre Alves Toco
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 12:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Group Moderators <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] inconsistant table navigation in a webpage

 

Hi!

The page I am having this issue has a button. When I click it, the page showes a table inside a region.

When I use object navigation, the hierarquia is:

  1. Region
    1. Table

1.1.1.       17 rows

1.1.1.1.  11 columns. If I go to the children of first row, nvda says column header. When I do the same in other rows, nvda says only column.

 

Now the problem happens when I use command tables (ctrl + alt + arrow Keys).

When I use ctrl+alt+arrow left and right, nvda Works fine.

But when I use ctrl + alt + arrow up and down, nvda doesn’t navigate the column.

For example, if I am in row 1 (the header row) and press ctrl+alt+down arrow, nvda will read the valeu of second row ( correct ).

But when I do it again, instead of read the value of third row, it says out of table, out of region.

 

I can’t provide the page because I have to type personal information to get there.

But I am wondering if this information is enough to the developers investigate.

 

It is not related with beta 4. In the previous version the same thing happened.

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 


Re: Slightly OT: mail from this list really piling up. Any strategies?

 

And from the Gmail side, see this page for all the Gmail search operators:  https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7190?hl=en 

Then specifically have a look at the before/after/older/newer operators.  Search the table for Search for messages sent during a certain time period and you're where you need to be.

Then see my tutorial, which doesn't use those specific operators, but covers how to do mass selection in general when more messages are returned by a search than can be selected on a single page of displayed results:  Mass Selection and Deletion of Gmail Messages via the Gmail Web Interface
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Re: Slightly OT: mail from this list really piling up. Any strategies?

 

Luke,

        From the Groups.io end:  Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx).  You can stop a lot of stuff from even showing up using the tools Groups.io gives you.  If you were willing to use the web interface, you could go nomail on any group or groups you choose.

         Do you use the web interface for Gmail?  There are ways to select specific messages with search terms and date ranges.
--

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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Slightly OT: mail from this list really piling up. Any strategies?

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Of all the lists I sub to, I get the most from this one and it really piles up quickly in the gmail account I’m using for it. It didn’t appear gmail offers any way to automatically delete old messages. How are folks managing the large volume of messages received from this and other lists? Again, I know this isn’t specifically NVDA related but it is related to my ability to easily use this NVDA list, so there’s some relation, I suppose. J Thanks friends.

 


Re: Reviwing messages in Microsoft Teams chats

Luke Robinett <blindgroupsluke@...>
 

Hi Luciano,

I set up an NVDA configuration profile for Microsoft Teams which has cut back on some of those unnecessary announcements when reading instant messages. Here are the steps to do this, followed by an explanation of what it does:
1. Navigate to Microsoft Teams so it has focus.
2. Press NVDA + N and scroll down to the configuration profiles menu item.
3. When the configuration profiles dialog box appears, press the New button.
4. Type "Teams" for the profile name.
5. Select the option to use this profile for the current application which should be Teams.
6. Hit OK. This will cause this configuration profile to load automatically whenever Teams has focus.
7. With Teams still in focus, press NVDA + N again, choose Preferences and then Settings.
8. Scroll to the settings page for document Formatting and then press tab until you find the option "Regions and Landmarks," and remove the checkbox for this option.
9. Hit OK.
10. Press NVDA + N again and choose the save configuration menu option to save your settings.

Now whenever you navigate to the Teams app, your Teams configuration profile for Teams will load automatically. The change we made to settings will prevent NVDA from saying "chat content main landmark" when you review Teams messages. Unfortunately there is no way to change the order of message elements announced by NVDA. It will always be name, message and time stamp. Still, this has reduced the verbosity of that screen enough for me to make it reasonably easy to use.

I hope this helps.

Luke

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of luciano de souza
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 7:58 AM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Reviwing messages in Microsoft Teams chats

Hello all,
When interacting with Microsoft Teams chats, my experiences have been really unpleasant.
I want to review a long text chat I had yesterday. Being on the field where messages are listed, in NVDA focus mode, I can press arrows to move from one message to another.
However, it's very unsuitable the way NVDA reads the set of messages.
Suppose someone says me: "Hello". Focusing on the message, I listened:
"Chat Content Ana de Almeida Albuquerque Sampaio Nunes de Carvalho:
Hello!".
I had the bad luck to contact a person with one name and five last names. The result is a tremendous frustration. I simply can't advance without much waste of time.
Afterwards, I ask to myself: "And if I could copy the messages and paste it on Notepad? Being on the message list, I've pressed simultaneously shift and the upward arrow. In fact, messages are copied, but when I pasted it on Notepad, only a small part of conversation were really copied.
I've undestood Teams doesn't load all messages, but in stead of it, it loads then as soon as necesary.
At last, I ask: is there a way to copy all messages to Notepad or read then on Teams environment without the described problems?
I use Windows 10, NVDA 2020.3 and the last version of Microsoft Teams.
Best regards,

--
Luciano de Souza


locked Re: The management of groups.io is accessible with NVDA?

 

Group Help uses an underscore, Group_Help, which threw my search.  The addresses for this group:

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Re: SECURITY FEATURES

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


The following webpage from NVACCESS might help and answer some of there questions.

The link is https://www.nvaccess.org/corporate-government/


The link is https://www.nvaccess.org/corporate-government/

Also asking the developers should help.


They can also get there developers to look over the code as well.



Here in New Zealand we have nvda on 2 huge library networks which can be found on the main page of http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

If I remember right nvda is installed on about 1000 computers between those 2 networks There used to be 3 the APN K but about a year ago they changed from Windows computers which had 750 copies of nvda on there network to chrome books



Gene nz


On 29/01/2021 10:24 pm, heaven.lists92@... wrote:

Dear List

 

Could one of the developers please contact me regarding the following queries:

 

  1. JAWS fanatics often reference the fact that JAWS has a closed source, paid licence, as the main reason for its increased security, especially in the workplace.  As NVDA is open source, many companies are scared to use it, since they are afraid of the security risks involved with opensource licences.  How do NVDA developers make sure that the source code for NVDA is secured so that hackers cannot attach trojans or viruses, etc to it.
  2. How do the developers make sure that information, such as personally identifiable information used in call centres and health institutions, is not at risk when using NVDA?

The reasons why I am asking these questions are as follows:

 

  1. I love using NVDA on my home computer and would really encourage anyone to use it with all the features it offers without a yearly over-priced subscription.
  2. I need to recommend screen reading software to some companies in South Africa who are scared of the risks involved in installing open source software.
  3. NVDA has so many more languages that it supports with braille and speech, while JAWS is quite limited. Furthermore, NVDA is simpler to use than JAWS and I would love to see it being implemented in more companies since it is free and legal, preventing companies from resorting to illegal software.

Thank you for your help

 

Heaven


locked Re: The management of groups.io is accessible with NVDA?

 

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 03:42 PM, Iván Novegil wrote:
Anyway this seems to be outside of the list purpose, since groups.io is the most common provider for recently created mailing tyflo-lists in English, and therefore is presumably usable with NVDA, despite some little accessibility concerns.
-
Indeed.  Any deep dives into how to work with Groups.io administration should be taken up on the Chat Subgroup or even the Groups.io Group Help or Group Managers groups.

Given the number of blind-centric lists that have their home here, and that have administration composed of individuals who are blind, that strongly suggests very few accessibility issues.

I will actually lock this topic after this post.  If conversation about how to use the administrative functions of Groups.io is desired, please do so in one of the above noted venues.  I'll give the Chat Subgroup addresses, and the subscription addresses for the Group Help and Group Managers groups, below.
------------------
Group Help Subscription:  (I can't seem to find this at the moment)

Group Managers Subscription:  GroupManagersForum+subscribe@groups.io

NVDA Chat Subgroup Addresses

To join:  chat+subscribe@nvda.groups.io

To post:  chat@nvda.groups.io

To unsubscribe:  chat+unsubscribe@nvda.groups.io

To receive a message containing the group description, and a list of these commands:  chat+help@nvda.groups.io

To stop receiving messages via email (you may still read messages on the Web):  chat+nomail@nvda.groups.io

This can also be used to put a vacation stop on group messages, then use one of the addresses below to resume delivery in the format of your choice.

To receive each group messages individually:  chat+single@nvda.groups.io

This is the default delivery unless you send a message to one of the addresses that follows.

To receive group messages in an HTML formatted digest:  chat+fulldigest@nvda.groups.io

To receive group messages in a plain text digest:  chat+digest@nvda.groups.io

To receive a daily summary instead of individual messages:  chat+summary@nvda.groups.io

To receive only special messages:  chat+special@nvda.groups.io

To contact the group owner(s):  chat+owner@nvda.groups.io
 
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       ~ Brian Vogel

 


inconsistant table navigation in a webpage

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

Hi!

The page I am having this issue has a button. When I click it, the page showes a table inside a region.

When I use object navigation, the hierarquia is:

  1. Region
    1. Table

1.1.1.      17 rows

1.1.1.1.  11 columns. If I go to the children of first row, nvda says column header. When I do the same in other rows, nvda says only column.

 

Now the problem happens when I use command tables (ctrl + alt + arrow Keys).

When I use ctrl+alt+arrow left and right, nvda Works fine.

But when I use ctrl + alt + arrow up and down, nvda doesn’t navigate the column.

For example, if I am in row 1 (the header row) and press ctrl+alt+down arrow, nvda will read the valeu of second row ( correct ).

But when I do it again, instead of read the value of third row, it says out of table, out of region.

 

I can’t provide the page because I have to type personal information to get there.

But I am wondering if this information is enough to the developers investigate.

 

It is not related with beta 4. In the previous version the same thing happened.

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 


locked Re: The management of groups.io is accessible with NVDA?

Iván Novegil
 

I've just tried to mass invite members using a file and it seems to be working as expected, all invitations arrived at their destination. The page states: "Upload a file containing the email addresses to invite, one per line". I've uploaded a txt file.

To require approval for subscriptions, go to Settings>Spam Control tab and modify settings appropiately.

Anyway this seems to be outside of the list purpose, since groups.io is the most common provider for recently created mailing tyflo-lists in English, and therefore is presumably usable with NVDA, despite some little accessibility concerns. However I wouldn't use it to build a public mailing list in Spanish, if that's your case; just my opinnion.


Regards.

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O 29/01/2021 á(s) 16:32, Tere Codina escribiu:

Hi all,

 

 

I just created a mailing list in groups.io and I need to know if the management of it is accessible with NVDA.

 

For example, I can't upload the file containing the new subscribers list, maybe the file has to have some special format?

Nor can I subscribe the addresses to the list, putting the addresses, each one on one line.

 

Another task that seems difficult, changing the configuration of who can subscribe to the list. I want the subscription to have to be approved by the moderator, but I can't change this feature.

If you tell me that these tasks are not accessible, I will look for another mailing list provider, but I need you to confirm if it is true that these tasks cannot be done with NVDA.

 

Thank you in advance.

 

Teresa

 


Re: NVDA & Thunderbird

Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>
 

Thanks, this is the answer. I turned off row column headers.


Hettie

On 1/29/2021 10:16 PM, Gene wrote:
Evidently it has something to do with settings for tables.  I'm not sure what settings you would turn off regarding tables but to begin, check to see if row column headers is unchecked.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Hettie
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 1:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA & Thunderbird

Thanks tons for your prompt reply.

I turned off the status bar to solve that irritation.

When reading a message I don't want to hear columns announced, only the
information in the message is what I wish to hear.


Hettie


On 1/29/2021 9:44 PM, Gene wrote:
What specific speech do you want to change?  there aren't verbosity settings for specific programs. The changes you want may be available in NVDA but they may be changes you make in thunderbird.

I'm not sure about the message coming in announcement but I suspect you will have to not show the status bar.  To do that, go into the thunderbird view menu, alt v, down arrow to tool bars and press enter.  You are in a submenu. Down arrow to status bar.  If it is checked, press enter to uncheck it.  The menus will close and it won't be displayed.  That should stop the announcement.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Hettie
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 12:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA & Thunderbird

Good evening

Where in NVDA's menus do I find verbosity settings for Thunderbird?

I also want to turn off NVDA announcing when a new message arrives while
reading a message.

I spent a long time within NVDA's menus but can't find what I'm looking for.


Hettie


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Re: NVDA & Thunderbird

Gene
 

Evidently it has something to do with settings for tables. I'm not sure what settings you would turn off regarding tables but to begin, check to see if row column headers is unchecked.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Hettie
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 1:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA & Thunderbird

Thanks tons for your prompt reply.

I turned off the status bar to solve that irritation.

When reading a message I don't want to hear columns announced, only the
information in the message is what I wish to hear.


Hettie


On 1/29/2021 9:44 PM, Gene wrote:
What specific speech do you want to change? there aren't verbosity settings for specific programs. The changes you want may be available in NVDA but they may be changes you make in thunderbird.

I'm not sure about the message coming in announcement but I suspect you will have to not show the status bar. To do that, go into the thunderbird view menu, alt v, down arrow to tool bars and press enter. You are in a submenu. Down arrow to status bar. If it is checked, press enter to uncheck it. The menus will close and it won't be displayed. That should stop the announcement.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Hettie
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 12:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA & Thunderbird

Good evening

Where in NVDA's menus do I find verbosity settings for Thunderbird?

I also want to turn off NVDA announcing when a new message arrives while
reading a message.

I spent a long time within NVDA's menus but can't find what I'm looking for.


Hettie


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Re: NVDA & Thunderbird

Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>
 

Thanks tons for your prompt reply.

I turned off the status bar to solve that irritation.

When reading a message I don't want to hear columns announced, only the information in the message is what I wish to hear.


Hettie

On 1/29/2021 9:44 PM, Gene wrote:
What specific speech do you want to change?  there aren't verbosity settings for specific programs.  The changes you want may be available in NVDA but they may be changes you make in thunderbird.

I'm not sure about the message coming in announcement but I suspect you will have to not show the status bar.  To do that, go into the thunderbird view menu, alt v, down arrow to tool bars and press enter.  You are in a submenu. Down arrow to status bar.  If it is checked, press enter to uncheck it.  The menus will close and it won't be displayed.  That should stop the announcement.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Hettie
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 12:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA & Thunderbird

Good evening

Where in NVDA's menus do I find verbosity settings for Thunderbird?

I also want to turn off NVDA announcing when a new message arrives while
reading a message.

I spent a long time within NVDA's menus but can't find what I'm looking for.


Hettie


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Re: NVDA & Thunderbird

Gene
 

What specific speech do you want to change? there aren't verbosity settings for specific programs. The changes you want may be available in NVDA but they may be changes you make in thunderbird.

I'm not sure about the message coming in announcement but I suspect you will have to not show the status bar. To do that, go into the thunderbird view menu, alt v, down arrow to tool bars and press enter. You are in a submenu. Down arrow to status bar. If it is checked, press enter to uncheck it. The menus will close and it won't be displayed. That should stop the announcement.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Hettie
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 12:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA & Thunderbird

Good evening

Where in NVDA's menus do I find verbosity settings for Thunderbird?

I also want to turn off NVDA announcing when a new message arrives while
reading a message.

I spent a long time within NVDA's menus but can't find what I'm looking for.


Hettie



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locked Re: The management of groups.io is accessible with NVDA?

Mike Capelle <mcap@...>
 

All of these are manageable wit nvda s.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tere Codina
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 9:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] The management of groups.io is accessible with NVDA?

 

Hi all,

 

 

I just created a mailing list in groups.io and I need to know if the management of it is accessible with NVDA.

 

For example, I can't upload the file containing the new subscribers list, maybe the file has to have some special format?

Nor can I subscribe the addresses to the list, putting the addresses, each one on one line.

 

Another task that seems difficult, changing the configuration of who can subscribe to the list. I want the subscription to have to be approved by the moderator, but I can't change this feature.

If you tell me that these tasks are not accessible, I will look for another mailing list provider, but I need you to confirm if it is true that these tasks cannot be done with NVDA.

 

Thank you in advance.

 

Teresa

 


locked The management of groups.io is accessible with NVDA?

Tere Codina
 

Hi all,

 

 

I just created a mailing list in groups.io and I need to know if the management of it is accessible with NVDA.

 

For example, I can't upload the file containing the new subscribers list, maybe the file has to have some special format?

Nor can I subscribe the addresses to the list, putting the addresses, each one on one line.

 

Another task that seems difficult, changing the configuration of who can subscribe to the list. I want the subscription to have to be approved by the moderator, but I can't change this feature.

If you tell me that these tasks are not accessible, I will look for another mailing list provider, but I need you to confirm if it is true that these tasks cannot be done with NVDA.

 

Thank you in advance.

 

Teresa

 

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