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Re: Error-logging and Reporting

Chris Smart
 

Ok, thanks. Will do.

Oh boy. I love that Github site! (that was sarcasm haha)


Re: outlook 365

Guy Schlosser
 

Lali, is your work running an exchange server? If so, you absolutely can do this with Thunderbird. There is an add-on called Exquilla, that will let Thunderbird communicate flawlessly with an exchange server. I know this, because I use it. I am the biggest outlook hater in the world! Sorry to those who love it. If you have anymore questions, feel free to drop me an email.

On Jan 31, 2021, at 9:14 AM, lali <l2belteki@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear All!


I need for my work outlook 365, but they are some messages, that are not shown correctly, it shown, that they were in one line. Can somehow make more accessible outlook? Or can I accepts invitations, which were sent from outlook with thunderbird?

Thanks!

Lali








Re: Outlook 365 crash: Pressing DownArrow in rapid succession closes Outlook

 

I will repeat the request I made yesterday, and that is that logs or log segments NOT be posted to the group.  The group owner and myself have asked, on multiple occasions, that this not be done.

If you have been asked for a log or log segment by a specific developer, please send that to them privately.

If you have an issue like this one, that you can reliably reproduce, then please consider following this tutorial:  Creating an Issue in GitHub for NVDA
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Error-logging and Reporting

 

Per Quentin Christensen in the topic, NVDA Beta 4 error tone when opening outlook:

Alpha and Beta builds play an error sound whenever an error is written to the log.  RC and stable builds will record exactly the same errors, but don't play a sound.  There are a number of situations where NVDA might record an error, however it then tries something else which works, and so most end users wouldn't notice anything amiss.
 
If you can reliably reproduce an error in that situation, as Joseph noted, you can find the exact errors in the log, do test if you can reproduce with add-ons disabled, and if so, it's still worth creating an issue on GitHub for: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues 
 
We'll prioritise issues which have an adverse reaction for users of course, but fixing such an error might still result in a smoother experience.

-----------------------------
The short version is, "Ignore them unless an actual problem in doing what you're doing is experienced."

If you do encounter that sort of problem, and can reliably reproduce it, then consider: Creating an Issue in GitHub for NVDA

 
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Error-logging and Reporting

Chris Smart
 

When the NVDA beta gives that descending C major tritone, should I then be checking a log somewhere, and emailing what I find to NV Access?

Or, does the beta automatically phone home periodically and submit error logs?


Thanks

Chris


outlook 365

lali
 

Dear All!


    I need for my work outlook 365, but they are some messages, that are not shown correctly, it shown, that they were in one line. Can somehow make more accessible outlook? Or can I accepts invitations, which were sent from outlook with thunderbird?

Thanks!

Lali


Outlook 365 crash: Pressing DownArrow in rapid succession closes Outlook

Daniel Gartmann
 

 

Hello,

 

I have been able to reproduce this a couple of times in a row now running NVDA 2020.4 beta 4. It happens if I do quick presses of DownArrow when at the end of a message.

 

I am quickly pasting a log fragment in the hope that it can be useful in debugging the issue:

 

I am not sure where else to post this, but I am more than happy to do further testing if someone asks for it in the effort to find out what’s going on.

 

Regards

 

Daniel

 

Here is the log fragment:

 

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "scriptHandler.pyc", line 208, in executeScript

  File "cursorManager.pyc", line 255, in script_moveByLine_forward

  File "cursorManager.pyc", line 129, in _caretMovementScriptHelper

  File "documentBase.pyc", line 24, in makeTextInfo

  File "treeInterceptorHandler.pyc", line 174, in __init__

  File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 306, in __init__

RuntimeError: No selection available

ERROR - scriptHandler.executeScript (13:59:41.075) - MainThread (13556):

error executing script: <bound method CursorManager.script_moveByLine_forward of <NVDAObjects.UIA.wordDocument.WordBrowseModeDocument object at 0x08E6B810>> with gesture 'pil ned'

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 304, in __init__

  File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 26, in __call__

_ctypes.COMError: (-2147220991, 'En hændelse kunne ikke starte nogen af abonnenterne.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

 

During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:

 

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "scriptHandler.pyc", line 208, in executeScript

  File "cursorManager.pyc", line 255, in script_moveByLine_forward

  File "cursorManager.pyc", line 129, in _caretMovementScriptHelper

  File "documentBase.pyc", line 24, in makeTextInfo

  File "treeInterceptorHandler.pyc", line 174, in __init__

  File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 306, in __init__

RuntimeError: No selection available

ERROR - scriptHandler.executeScript (13:59:41.103) - MainThread (13556):

error executing script: <bound method CursorManager.script_moveByLine_back of <NVDAObjects.UIA.wordDocument.WordBrowseModeDocument object at 0x08E6B810>> with gesture 'pil op'

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 304, in __init__

  File "comtypesMonkeyPatches.pyc", line 26, in __call__

_ctypes.COMError: (-2147220991, 'En hændelse kunne ikke starte nogen af abonnenterne.', (None, None, None, 0, None))

 

During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:

 

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "scriptHandler.pyc", line 208, in executeScript

  File "cursorManager.pyc", line 251, in script_moveByLine_back

  File "cursorManager.pyc", line 129, in _caretMovementScriptHelper

  File "documentBase.pyc", line 24, in makeTextInfo

  File "treeInterceptorHandler.pyc", line 174, in __init__

  File "NVDAObjects\UIA\__init__.pyc", line 306, in __init__

RuntimeError: No selection available

INFO - globalCommands.GlobalCommands.script_navigatorObject_devInfo (13:59:47.338) - MainThread (13556):

 

 


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

The original problem was that the default browser had been changed to Chrome as you described.  This action does not change the default app for .htm and .html, so when NVDA user guide was opened, it still used Edge.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: Kerryn Gunness via groups.io
Sent: 31 January 2021 11:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

hi

 

below is the user guide

 

 

to set default browser with win 10

 

1. open start menue, type default, you should hear default apps, press enter here

2. tab to web browser for example microsoft edge, press enter here

3. then tab again to choose google chrome for example and press enter

4. your default web browser will be set

 

copy the link above and paste it in chrome or just press enter on the link, when your default browser is set

 

kerryn

 

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 3:49 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

Hi.  I checked the settings for filetypes, and the htm and html files are set to open in Edge, and are mentioned as Edge files.  I can't find a filetype for Chrome, which is the browser that some web-based documentation (including the NVDA user guide) has opened in.  When I uninstalled Chrome, they opened in Internet Explorer.  I reinstalled Chrome, and the documentation went back to opening there.  I won't fiddle around with the filetypes without knowing what I'm doing.

Thanks,

Louise

 


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 


hi
 
below is the user guide
 
 
to set default browser with win 10
 
1. open start menue, type default, you should hear default apps, press enter here
2. tab to web browser for example microsoft edge, press enter here
3. then tab again to choose google chrome for example and press enter
4. your default web browser will be set
 
copy the link above and paste it in chrome or just press enter on the link, when your default browser is set
 
kerryn
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Hi.  I checked the settings for filetypes, and the htm and html files are set to open in Edge, and are mentioned as Edge files.  I can't find a filetype for Chrome, which is the browser that some web-based documentation (including the NVDA user guide) has opened in.  When I uninstalled Chrome, they opened in Internet Explorer.  I reinstalled Chrome, and the documentation went back to opening there.  I won't fiddle around with the filetypes without knowing what I'm doing.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: Long-standing Basic Edge/NVDA Issue

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


the following link to the download page  is where you can get the new Microsoft Edge. it can be found and downloaded from https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/download-the-new-microsoft-edge-based-on-chromium-0f4a3dd7-55df-60f5-739f-00010dba52cf

It is the preferred one to use now to the old one.


Gene nz


On 31/01/2021 5:11 am, Brian Vogel wrote:
Sarah is correct that the "quick and dirty" test for whether you have a Chromium-based Edge is seeing if ALT+F opens the Edge Menu.

In "Edge Original" ALT+X opened the Edge Menu.

You would have to be running a very old (and out of support) version of Windows 10, or be working on a machine where it's been intentionally engineered not to apply Windows Updates, to still have Edge Original.

I would be curious what version of Windows 10 is being used, which can be determined by hitting the Windows Key and immediately typing winver then hitting enter. 
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Chris
 

An easier option is to locate the userguide.html file in the NVDA installation directory in program files and open the file properties and under the open with section use the change button to select your preferred browser then hit ok and apply and ok again

 

 

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: 30 January 2021 20:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

Hi Louise

Apologies, you don’t need to tab when you get to the .htm file entry in the list of filetypes, you are already on the correct button, so just activate it.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Chris Mullins via groups.io
Sent: 30 January 2021 20:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

Hi Louise

You will not find a Chrome filetype because Chrome is the app and you’re associating a filetype with an App.  All you have to do is find .htm in the list of filetypes, tab to the associated button labelled as Microsoft Edge and activate it.  It will then give you a series of buttons, 1 for each browser you have installed and you just activate the one you now want to associate with the .htm filetype.  Yu will then return to the filetypes list, where you can then find the .html entry and repeat the above process.

 

Cheers

Chris

   

From: Louise Pfau
Sent: 30 January 2021 19:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

Hi.  I checked the settings for filetypes, and the htm and html files are set to open in Edge, and are mentioned as Edge files.  I can't find a filetype for Chrome, which is the browser that some web-based documentation (including the NVDA user guide) has opened in.  When I uninstalled Chrome, they opened in Internet Explorer.  I reinstalled Chrome, and the documentation went back to opening there.  I won't fiddle around with the filetypes without knowing what I'm doing.

Thanks,

Louise

 

 

 


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Louise

Apologies, you don’t need to tab when you get to the .htm file entry in the list of filetypes, you are already on the correct button, so just activate it.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Chris Mullins via groups.io
Sent: 30 January 2021 20:11
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

Hi Louise

You will not find a Chrome filetype because Chrome is the app and you’re associating a filetype with an App.  All you have to do is find .htm in the list of filetypes, tab to the associated button labelled as Microsoft Edge and activate it.  It will then give you a series of buttons, 1 for each browser you have installed and you just activate the one you now want to associate with the .htm filetype.  Yu will then return to the filetypes list, where you can then find the .html entry and repeat the above process.

 

Cheers

Chris

   

From: Louise Pfau
Sent: 30 January 2021 19:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

Hi.  I checked the settings for filetypes, and the htm and html files are set to open in Edge, and are mentioned as Edge files.  I can't find a filetype for Chrome, which is the browser that some web-based documentation (including the NVDA user guide) has opened in.  When I uninstalled Chrome, they opened in Internet Explorer.  I reinstalled Chrome, and the documentation went back to opening there.  I won't fiddle around with the filetypes without knowing what I'm doing.

Thanks,

Louise

 

 


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Louise

You will not find a Chrome filetype because Chrome is the app and you’re associating a filetype with an App.  All you have to do is find .htm in the list of filetypes, tab to the associated button labelled as Microsoft Edge and activate it.  It will then give you a series of buttons, 1 for each browser you have installed and you just activate the one you now want to associate with the .htm filetype.  Yu will then return to the filetypes list, where you can then find the .html entry and repeat the above process.

 

Cheers

Chris

   

From: Louise Pfau
Sent: 30 January 2021 19:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

Hi.  I checked the settings for filetypes, and the htm and html files are set to open in Edge, and are mentioned as Edge files.  I can't find a filetype for Chrome, which is the browser that some web-based documentation (including the NVDA user guide) has opened in.  When I uninstalled Chrome, they opened in Internet Explorer.  I reinstalled Chrome, and the documentation went back to opening there.  I won't fiddle around with the filetypes without knowing what I'm doing.

Thanks,

Louise

 


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I checked the settings for filetypes, and the htm and html files are set to open in Edge, and are mentioned as Edge files.  I can't find a filetype for Chrome, which is the browser that some web-based documentation (including the NVDA user guide) has opened in.  When I uninstalled Chrome, they opened in Internet Explorer.  I reinstalled Chrome, and the documentation went back to opening there.  I won't fiddle around with the filetypes without knowing what I'm doing.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: NVDA problems with excel when editing form fill

 

Regardless of the screen reader being used, I strongly encourage the use of Excel's built-in column and row designation so that the burden is not on the screen reader, nor any other screen reader user, to set this up if the workbook is handled by someone else.

What follows is an excellent tutorial, with background information, written by Alan Lemly on the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group regarding how to do what I've just mentioned.
-------------------------

Reading Row and Column Headers Using Excel Defined Titles – A Tutorial

by Alan Lemly

 

Original text can be found at:  https://groups.io/g/office-accessibility/topic/77311167

As someone else posted, Freedom Scientific has a document explaining the use of row and column headers in Excel at this website:

https://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter/doccenter/rs25c51746a0cc/2013-09-25_ExcelAndWordHeaders/02_HeadersInExcel.htm

While that site has an excellent explanation of the process, it has a major omission which prevents defined name titles from speaking when set up. As explained at that site, users of Excel with JAWS have two different options if they'd like to create row and column headers that can be saved and accessed:

1.   Titles (i.e., row headers and column headers) created using the define name feature of Excel. This is the preferred method because these titles can be created by those not even using JAWS and accessed at a later time by anyone with JAWS because they are saved with the spreadsheet.

2.   Titles created using JAWS quick settings dialog box. These titles are saved in a workbook-specific JSI file located in your personal settings folder, a separate file that is created and has to accompany the workbook everywhere it goes.

This tutorial will explain option 1 since its titles can be saved with the workbook, transferred to another JAWS user, and does not require use of a separate JSI file to work. What this method does require that is omitted from the Freedom Scientific explanation is a change to a default setting for Defined name column and row titles override so that title reading of these defined ranges will occur. Therefore, the default override must be set to off instead of on. You can access this setting by:

·        Pressing Insert + V to access the quick settings

·        Typing Title reading in the search box

·        Arrow down through the search results to the first one which is Define name column and row titles override and making sure it is set to off. By default, mine was originally set to on which causes this preferred title reading method not to work.

 

My thanks to Ann Byrne of the main@jfw.groups.io list who originally explained defined titles to me and the need to turn off the override so they will read properly with JAWS.

I'm creating a sample Excel spreadsheet for this post to help with my explanation. I'll include a Dropbox download link at the end for those who want it. This sample spreadsheet is for tracking books which I've read. It contains the following column headings beginning in cell A1 and continuing through cell H1. 

Title

Author

Narrator

Date Finished

NLS Book Number

Book Length

Rating

Comments

This spreadsheet will end up containing many rows since I read a lot so when defining the range which will include the column and row headers, I'm going to estimate the number of rows it should contain to include future expansion. I've made the first column be the title of the book since it makes since as I arrow up and down the various rows in the sheet that the book title be announced as I land on a new row. The intersection of the column headers and row headers that I want Excel to red as I navigate through the sheet is cell A1 so focus should be there when the defined range is created. To create the range, with focus on cell A1:

1.   Press alt + m + m. This will place you on the ribbon bar on the define name button and you should press enter.

2.   You will be in a text box where you create the defined name of your column and row headers. I almost exclusively use both column and row headers for most of my spreadsheets since they normally contain multiple rows and columns.  In this case, your defined name should begin with the word Title. If you only want row headers, your defined name should begin with RowTitle. If you only want column headers, your defined name should begin with ColumnTitle. You should have no spaces in the defined title text box so if your spreadsheet has multiple regions for which you want separate defined titles, I'd suggest you use Region1, Region2, etc. after title with no spaces to distinguish your defined title ranges. Use a period to separate the name of the defined title from the cell range comprising it. In my example spreadsheet, my columns run from A1 through H1 and I'm estimating 1000 rows so my defined title will be TitleRegion1.A1.H1000. I could have omitted Region1 since I don't expect more regions on this sheet but included it for reference purposes.

3.   Press tab until you get to the Ok button and hit enter to complete the creation of your defined title range. If you later need to edit it, open the range manager by pressing alt + m + n and select the range you want to edit and press alt + e. You will be placed in a text box where you can make changes.

After you've entered book info of the titles you've red, arrowing up and down in the sheet will result in JAWS reading the book title of the particular row. Arrowing right and left through the various columns will result in JAWS reading the column heading of that column. Provided you turned off the title reading of defined range override mentioned earlier in this document, your row and column title headers should be read by JAWS. Also, you can give a copy of your workbook to anyone else using JAWS and those row and column headers will also be read for them provided they turn off the defined title reading override.

Here is a Dropbox download link to Books read sample spreadsheet mentioned above:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z16eb63i679t6b0/Books%20read%20for%20OA.xlsx?dl=1

I hope this helps.

Alan Lemly

 

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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Long-standing Basic Edge/NVDA Issue

 

Sarah is correct that the "quick and dirty" test for whether you have a Chromium-based Edge is seeing if ALT+F opens the Edge Menu.

In "Edge Original" ALT+X opened the Edge Menu.

You would have to be running a very old (and out of support) version of Windows 10, or be working on a machine where it's been intentionally engineered not to apply Windows Updates, to still have Edge Original.

I would be curious what version of Windows 10 is being used, which can be determined by hitting the Windows Key and immediately typing winver then hitting enter. 
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

Jacob,

             I've never seen that in practice, but that's a great potential cause.

             This is almost certain to have its root cause in Windows, not NVDA, as all NVDA does is, essentially, say, "Windows, here's the HTML file for User Guide, take it and fire up whatever you've got set to open it."  After the handoff, NVDA is not involved at all.

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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


NVDA problems with excel when editing form fill

aikeo koomanivong
 

dear all NVDA list
to whom might be concern

I'm KEO
every time when I'm using NVDA with Excel for working with large data more than 100 rows and I marked row headers, and column headers by press NVDA+shift+r and NVDA+shift+C
NVDA look like will stop working or it's take a time to response when filling form or editing data in the form and press enter.
it always unresponsive when pressing arrows keys after edit cells and enter
please guys I don't know how to fix and i used Jaws instead for everytime but I prefer NVDA
thanks


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Jacob Kruger
 

One thought - besides setting a browser as the default browser, you can also, under windows 10, set separate defaults for file types, etc.?


As in, while the default browser could be set to one, there could be separate settings for file types like .htm, .html, etc.?


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2021-01-29 04:22 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 12:42 AM, Louise Pfau wrote:
I haven't subscribed to the chat subgroup, because I get a lot of E-mail from the various groups I'm on.
-
This is not an encouragement (though I would encourage it) for you to join the Chat Subgroup, but for you to learn and use the tools that Groups.io gives you to control the traffic you actually get in your inbox for any/all of the groups you're subscribed to.

Groups.io allows the end user an exquisite level of control over what they do and do not receive as a subscriber to any group.  I wrote this tutorial so that people would have an easy reference guide as to how to control what they get:  Controlling the Messages You Receive via E-Mail from Groups.io (docx)

As Gene has noted, you can use the nomail option for any group and get nothing in your inbox, but can still check out that group on the Groups.io web interface.  You can also set up topic preview (detailed in the tutorial) where you get the first message in any new topic, but unless you choose to follow it, you will not receive any additional messages for that topic.  This can and does cut down on incoming traffic from a group immensely. 
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Long-standing Basic Edge/NVDA Issue

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Janet,

 

Is this on your work machine by any chance?

 

Pranav

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